December 4, 2024 • 12 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Wednesday on Newstalk ZB) Bureaucracy Is Literally Killing Us/Making the Wrong Carpet Decision/Some Charities Are Taking the Mickey/Road Rage Rampant/Taking Your Bread Back
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart, and we
are looking back at Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Why doesn't coming.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Aura want New Zealand will on the floors of its
social housing.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Charities.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We're having a little investigation on charities and trying to
figure out what we can do to clean it up
because it seems like some people get text breaks that
who perhaps shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
They're talking road rage on.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The afternoon show and Marcus looks at Mold, so yeah,
it's going to be Mold talks the b at the
end of the podcast, before any of.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That, the health budget. Where are we at with this?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It just seems like we keep pouring money into health
and perhaps money isn't necessarily the answer.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Whether that spending is any good or not is another matter.
Ask one hundred people about their experience in the health
system and you'll get one hundred different answers. One answer, though,
that we should be getting a bit more right is
exactly how much we're spending or planning to spend on health,
because how can you know what you're doing unless you
know what you're spending and on what health? New Zealand
revised down its deficit for twenty four to twenty five
(01:38):
from one point seven billion to one point one What
does that mean? It means as recently as October they
told us they'd need five hundred million more dollars to
run the health system than they did yesterday. That's half
a billion bucks difference in less than two months. Why
they thought they'd have to pay more for redundancy payments
and making up for holiday pay And it seems extraordinary,
(02:00):
doesn't it that you could have such a vast difference
in such a short space of time. How does this
keep happening? It comes after the target surplus for this
year fifty four millions, somehow morphed into a deficit of
seven hundred million. Retti and Verel are predictably fighting over
whose faultness is, as you would expect from politicians. But
if we could be a little clearer on the diagnosis,
(02:23):
the dollars and the cents being spent, would at least
be clearer on exactly what it is we're fighting about.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I think there's a lot of bureaucracy and a thing.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's a behemoth, isn't it, the health system? And some
of it's just sort of self sustaining. And if we
could just figure out what those bits, the bits that
are there just trying to justify their own existence, and
hack those bits out like a cancer, maybe it won't
be terminal.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
After all, news talk Z been right.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
So we managed to review on the show yesterday. Well
on the show.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
When I say the show, I mean the Micross and
Breakfast Show. It's sort of my other side hustle apart
from doing this podcast work on that breakfast shows are
sure the country anyway. Yeah, we discovered that going to order,
who doesn't want will carpet because somebody has arbitrarily decided
it's too expensive and they're going with di Nilon instead.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
If Noton's really that much cheaper, can we really be
upset with caing Aura?
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Well, how do they know? They haven't even given the
carpet manufacturer's a chance to tender, So that's pretty premature statement.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
How do you think it's cheaper?
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Because it's not all about price, it's about value, And
you know wall carpets certainly have some attributes that synthetics
will never be able to match the safe, healthier, more
environmentally friendly carpets. There's a big swing back to wall actually,
and there's good reason for that. But this isn't a
(04:03):
coalition agreement. I think that's get issues to here and
somewhere deep within the bells of MBI they've decided to
defy that. So that's a problem.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yes, I was wondering whether this was just a knee
jerk somebody going the government wants to save money. I
believe that nylon is cheaper, and they just went, we'll
go nylon.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Oh, look it could be. And I mean this is
sort of an operational issue for them at one level,
but then it is directly in the coalition agreement. It's
clear the intent of the government here. We're trying to
revitalize the sheep industry and the war industry.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, you'd have to hope that decisions that you know,
it costs millions and millions of dollars can't be made
that lightly.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But maybe they can. Goodness me, that's a way to
say that talk.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Right now, the government and its efforts to seat of
try and clean up bureaucracy and red tape and you know,
make some cost cutting and all that sort of thing.
They're having a look at charities and who gets the
tax breaks and who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It seems like, you know, some people are taking the purse.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
I mean, while you can get away with it, go
for it. I mean, there are plenty of people who
are setting up trusts to avoid paying you know, the
maximum amount of tax. They're trying to minimize their tax return.
And that's you know, legal at the moment as the
(05:43):
way the law is written. But I think Nicola Willis
is casting a gimlet eye over the law and looking
to tighten it up. We're all agreed, aren't we that
the sooner that happens, the better. We've been going on
like pork chops about sanitarium and you know, some of
the e wei who are operating very very successful businesses,
(06:08):
all well and good to have a charity, you know,
set up your scholarships to send kids off to school,
and you know, grants for housing and health and what
have you. Great, fabulous, But when the loophole exists, you
(06:28):
know it exists. It's been pointed out. People can see it.
Politicians of all shades have said, this is a nonsense
when we need every last bit of cash. Couldn't we
do with Grant Robertson six hundred million down the back
of the couch right now? We need every last bit
we've got. High time the loopholes closed. I'm just sorry.
(06:49):
It's going to be next year's budget and it couldn't
happen with a stroke of a pen today.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It is weird how long some of these things take
to make happen. From this Kikar spars Trak government. Mind you,
it's the same memire, isn't it. You know this social
media ban that they've been agonizing were in Australia, that
doesn't come into effect until the end of next year.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So yeah, boy boy, time marches on city right.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Road rage was the topic of discussion yesterday on the
Afternoon Show.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Let's see how that panned out.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
I'm sort of saying, whether you're in the right or
the wrong, we probably need for our own safety to
find ways to not get so incredibly angry under these situations.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
Yeah, but there must be something different about road rage.
Right when you get that red mist and all rationality
goes out the window. You're not thinking about the consequences
if you chase someone. You're not thinking about the consequences
of ramming your car into another car, because if you
were thinking rationally, you'd think, right, I could get arrested
for this, I could lose everything, I could be in court. Yeah,
(07:56):
there's all these consequences that you just don't think about it.
Once you enter the rage, then then no consequences are
thought of. In fact, there famous quote from from Seneca,
the ancient Roman statesman and and philosopher and writer. He
wrote in his Treatise on Anger. Some have called anger
a short madness, for it is equally devoutive self control,
regardless of decorum, forgetful of kinship, obstinately engrossed in whatever
(08:20):
it begins to do, deaf to reason and advice, and
so it's been around for a very long time. When
that comes in, you're not thinking about anything.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
That's why you've got to get out of anger as
quickly as you can, because when you get in, you
will do crazy stuff once it takes over. That's why
people talk about when you feel that coming. It seems
very very basic, but it's what your mum probably told
you to do, which is to count to ten. Takes
some breaths.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Before you react, certainly. I used to love the Goofy
cartoon where he would get behind the wheel and change
from a mild mannered.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Is he a dog? I think he's a dog. Why
dogs are driving cars?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I don't know anyway, And then he'd become this sort
of doctor gif or mister Hyde sort of character.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
What do you mean you don't What do you mean
you don't know who Goofy is. I'll come on, I'm
not that old am I news talk s?
Speaker 9 (09:13):
It been right.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I like to finish these podcasts. I mean, if you're
a regular listener, and I'm sure you are talking about
food and leaving everybody hungry. I don't think there's going
to be the case this time.
Speaker 10 (09:23):
I can make a loaf of bread, right, and I
can cook it, and I can bake it, and boy,
oh boy, what a loaf of bread that is. It'll
last four weeks. Just leave it there on the bench,
cut a slice, beautiful, put the toaster if I need
to put something on it. Oh fijara and ginger relish
or something like that.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
Just a great bread.
Speaker 10 (09:45):
I buy a life from the supermarket, which probably should
have all the preserved of the things in it all cut,
wrapped up moldy within a day. And I'm not living
in the tropics. You would think it would be the
other way round. You think commercial bread, we have something
to stop it go moldy. But gee, there we go.
Bought it last night this morning full of the white
(10:06):
dots of mold. By the way, I think you can
eat them without dying. I've never seen on the death
that as as dead because of bad mold on the bread.
But you often when it's going one of those things
going to get into your lengs and sneak back and
angle tap your twenty years down the track. But what's
with bread? Ah just gets the mold on it. It
(10:28):
didn't used to happen. It's bluff has suddenly got warm,
or we're running a humid house. I wish the kids
cope with the sandwiches for lunch. But I looked at it,
I thought that's moldy. Yeah, that classic thing when you
see the mold you go through each slice to see it,
or mold mold, mold, no mold, hang on a bit mold, mold, mold, mold, mold, mold, mold, mold,
(10:54):
a little bit of mold. The crust still mold, and
you can't be rather going back into town to replace
your loaf of bread because you feel a bit means
spirit and you couldn't funny when it peck and save
anywhere to Where do you go with them? Where would
you go with a loaf of bread? Look, this bread's molded, Well,
give yourself another one. I'm not the returning the moldy
bread kind of a person, but yeah, what's that about?
Speaker 11 (11:15):
I have had that at Walworth's formerly Countdown the art
is formally known as Countdown before. I can't remember exactly
what it was, but it was moldy when I got
at home already and I took it back, and not
only did they refund my money, they said I could
go and get another thing that was a similar kind
and value. So I thought that was pretty good that
(11:39):
they That was good service.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
You know, when you get it wrong and then you
make it right in some ways that stays with you.
Doesn't it even better than just getting it right in
the first place.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I should be complish, but it's preferable anyway, So there
you go.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I'm thinking, I actually am thinking about toast with butter
and vegimte on now pop past and my mouth watering
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So I still, in spite of what I said.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Before, I actually am still on at the beginning, at
the end of the podcast, and it's only five forty
six am, and you know, I've got to be in
this building for at least another you know, five hours
or so, probably four or five.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Hours before I can really eat anything. Oh well, I'll
see you back here. We get tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Used Talking Talkings it Bean For more from us, Talk
said B. Listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk SEDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio
Used Talk SEDB Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart, and we
are looking back at Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Why doesn't coming.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Aura want New Zealand will on the floors of its
social housing.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Charities.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We're having a little investigation on charities and trying to
figure out what we can do to clean it up
because it seems like some people get text breaks that
who perhaps shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
They're talking road rage on.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The afternoon show and Marcus looks at Mold, so yeah,
it's going to be Mold talks the b at the
end of the podcast, before any of.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That, the health budget. Where are we at with this?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It just seems like we keep pouring money into health
and perhaps money isn't necessarily the answer.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Whether that spending is any good or not is another matter.
Ask one hundred people about their experience in the health
system and you'll get one hundred different answers. One answer, though,
that we should be getting a bit more right is
exactly how much we're spending or planning to spend on health,
because how can you know what you're doing unless you
know what you're spending and on what health? New Zealand
revised down its deficit for twenty four to twenty five
(01:38):
from one point seven billion to one point one What
does that mean? It means as recently as October they
told us they'd need five hundred million more dollars to
run the health system than they did yesterday. That's half
a billion bucks difference in less than two months. Why
they thought they'd have to pay more for redundancy payments
and making up for holiday pay And it seems extraordinary,
(02:00):
doesn't it that you could have such a vast difference
in such a short space of time. How does this
keep happening? It comes after the target surplus for this
year fifty four millions, somehow morphed into a deficit of
seven hundred million. Retti and Verel are predictably fighting over
whose faultness is, as you would expect from politicians. But
if we could be a little clearer on the diagnosis,
(02:23):
the dollars and the cents being spent, would at least
be clearer on exactly what it is we're fighting about.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I think there's a lot of bureaucracy and a thing.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's a behemoth, isn't it, the health system? And some
of it's just sort of self sustaining. And if we
could just figure out what those bits, the bits that
are there just trying to justify their own existence, and
hack those bits out like a cancer, maybe it won't
be terminal.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
After all, news talk Z been right.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
So we managed to review on the show yesterday. Well
on the show.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
When I say the show, I mean the Micross and
Breakfast Show. It's sort of my other side hustle apart
from doing this podcast work on that breakfast shows are
sure the country anyway. Yeah, we discovered that going to order,
who doesn't want will carpet because somebody has arbitrarily decided
it's too expensive and they're going with di Nilon instead.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
If Noton's really that much cheaper, can we really be
upset with caing Aura?
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Well, how do they know? They haven't even given the
carpet manufacturer's a chance to tender, So that's pretty premature statement.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
How do you think it's cheaper?
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Because it's not all about price, it's about value, And
you know wall carpets certainly have some attributes that synthetics
will never be able to match the safe, healthier, more
environmentally friendly carpets. There's a big swing back to wall actually,
and there's good reason for that. But this isn't a
(04:03):
coalition agreement. I think that's get issues to here and
somewhere deep within the bells of MBI they've decided to
defy that. So that's a problem.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yes, I was wondering whether this was just a knee
jerk somebody going the government wants to save money. I
believe that nylon is cheaper, and they just went, we'll
go nylon.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Oh, look it could be. And I mean this is
sort of an operational issue for them at one level,
but then it is directly in the coalition agreement. It's
clear the intent of the government here. We're trying to
revitalize the sheep industry and the war industry.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, you'd have to hope that decisions that you know,
it costs millions and millions of dollars can't be made
that lightly.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But maybe they can. Goodness me, that's a way to
say that talk.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Right now, the government and its efforts to seat of
try and clean up bureaucracy and red tape and you know,
make some cost cutting and all that sort of thing.
They're having a look at charities and who gets the
tax breaks and who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It seems like, you know, some people are taking the purse.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
I mean, while you can get away with it, go
for it. I mean, there are plenty of people who
are setting up trusts to avoid paying you know, the
maximum amount of tax. They're trying to minimize their tax return.
And that's you know, legal at the moment as the
(05:43):
way the law is written. But I think Nicola Willis
is casting a gimlet eye over the law and looking
to tighten it up. We're all agreed, aren't we that
the sooner that happens, the better. We've been going on
like pork chops about sanitarium and you know, some of
the e wei who are operating very very successful businesses,
(06:08):
all well and good to have a charity, you know,
set up your scholarships to send kids off to school,
and you know, grants for housing and health and what
have you. Great, fabulous, But when the loophole exists, you
(06:28):
know it exists. It's been pointed out. People can see it.
Politicians of all shades have said, this is a nonsense
when we need every last bit of cash. Couldn't we
do with Grant Robertson six hundred million down the back
of the couch right now? We need every last bit
we've got. High time the loopholes closed. I'm just sorry.
(06:49):
It's going to be next year's budget and it couldn't
happen with a stroke of a pen today.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It is weird how long some of these things take
to make happen. From this Kikar spars Trak government. Mind you,
it's the same memire, isn't it. You know this social
media ban that they've been agonizing were in Australia, that
doesn't come into effect until the end of next year.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So yeah, boy boy, time marches on city right.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Road rage was the topic of discussion yesterday on the
Afternoon Show.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Let's see how that panned out.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
I'm sort of saying, whether you're in the right or
the wrong, we probably need for our own safety to
find ways to not get so incredibly angry under these situations.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
Yeah, but there must be something different about road rage.
Right when you get that red mist and all rationality
goes out the window. You're not thinking about the consequences
if you chase someone. You're not thinking about the consequences
of ramming your car into another car, because if you
were thinking rationally, you'd think, right, I could get arrested
for this, I could lose everything, I could be in court. Yeah,
(07:56):
there's all these consequences that you just don't think about it.
Once you enter the rage, then then no consequences are
thought of. In fact, there famous quote from from Seneca,
the ancient Roman statesman and and philosopher and writer. He
wrote in his Treatise on Anger. Some have called anger
a short madness, for it is equally devoutive self control,
regardless of decorum, forgetful of kinship, obstinately engrossed in whatever
(08:20):
it begins to do, deaf to reason and advice, and
so it's been around for a very long time. When
that comes in, you're not thinking about anything.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
That's why you've got to get out of anger as
quickly as you can, because when you get in, you
will do crazy stuff once it takes over. That's why
people talk about when you feel that coming. It seems
very very basic, but it's what your mum probably told
you to do, which is to count to ten. Takes
some breaths.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Before you react, certainly. I used to love the Goofy
cartoon where he would get behind the wheel and change
from a mild mannered.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Is he a dog? I think he's a dog. Why
dogs are driving cars?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I don't know anyway, And then he'd become this sort
of doctor gif or mister Hyde sort of character.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
What do you mean you don't What do you mean
you don't know who Goofy is. I'll come on, I'm
not that old am I news talk s?
Speaker 9 (09:13):
It been right.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I like to finish these podcasts. I mean, if you're
a regular listener, and I'm sure you are talking about
food and leaving everybody hungry. I don't think there's going
to be the case this time.
Speaker 10 (09:23):
I can make a loaf of bread, right, and I
can cook it, and I can bake it, and boy,
oh boy, what a loaf of bread that is. It'll
last four weeks. Just leave it there on the bench,
cut a slice, beautiful, put the toaster if I need
to put something on it. Oh fijara and ginger relish
or something like that.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
Just a great bread.
Speaker 10 (09:45):
I buy a life from the supermarket, which probably should
have all the preserved of the things in it all cut,
wrapped up moldy within a day. And I'm not living
in the tropics. You would think it would be the
other way round. You think commercial bread, we have something
to stop it go moldy. But gee, there we go.
Bought it last night this morning full of the white
(10:06):
dots of mold. By the way, I think you can
eat them without dying. I've never seen on the death
that as as dead because of bad mold on the bread.
But you often when it's going one of those things
going to get into your lengs and sneak back and
angle tap your twenty years down the track. But what's
with bread? Ah just gets the mold on it. It
(10:28):
didn't used to happen. It's bluff has suddenly got warm,
or we're running a humid house. I wish the kids
cope with the sandwiches for lunch. But I looked at it,
I thought that's moldy. Yeah, that classic thing when you
see the mold you go through each slice to see it,
or mold mold, mold, no mold, hang on a bit mold, mold, mold, mold, mold, mold, mold, mold,
(10:54):
a little bit of mold. The crust still mold, and
you can't be rather going back into town to replace
your loaf of bread because you feel a bit means
spirit and you couldn't funny when it peck and save
anywhere to Where do you go with them? Where would
you go with a loaf of bread? Look, this bread's molded, Well,
give yourself another one. I'm not the returning the moldy
bread kind of a person, but yeah, what's that about?
Speaker 11 (11:15):
I have had that at Walworth's formerly Countdown the art
is formally known as Countdown before. I can't remember exactly
what it was, but it was moldy when I got
at home already and I took it back, and not
only did they refund my money, they said I could
go and get another thing that was a similar kind
and value. So I thought that was pretty good that
(11:39):
they That was good service.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
You know, when you get it wrong and then you
make it right in some ways that stays with you.
Doesn't it even better than just getting it right in
the first place.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I should be complish, but it's preferable anyway, So there
you go.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I'm thinking, I actually am thinking about toast with butter
and vegimte on now pop past and my mouth watering
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So I still, in spite of what I said.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Before, I actually am still on at the beginning, at
the end of the podcast, and it's only five forty
six am, and you know, I've got to be in
this building for at least another you know, five hours
or so, probably four or five.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Hours before I can really eat anything. Oh well, I'll
see you back here. We get tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
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