February 19, 2025 • 10 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Wednesday on Newstalk ZB) Just Another OCR/It's Official. The Public Service is Poked/Data Definitely Dodgy/Brains Be Draining/No News Is Not News
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday. So it's official. The Public
Service is a complete writer. Although that could be a
misuse of data, seems to be a lot of that
going on, and we've got data on more brains draining
(00:46):
from the country to other countries. Ah and Marcus was
worried about some kind of luxe and no show, so
we'll get into that at the end of the pod.
But first up, ocr Day at your day yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
How exciting when you're looking basically at a far more
neutral rate at that point, by Christmas, a far more
neutral interest rate where it's neither driving nor starving the
economy of oxygen. And that is good if you're a
homeowner with a tuckapunicized mortgage on your house. But the
word from all in his body's done at the Central
Bank today was don't expect longer term mortgage rates to
(01:20):
come down too much more. That's year two to five
year rates. Why because they're driven largely by offshore borrowing conditions,
which basically aren't that great right now for a bunch
of reasons. So, yes, this is good. We're coming down
the slope further. But you can't help but feel a
little pissed off, a little peeved, I should say that
we had to climb so high and so fast in
(01:42):
the first place. You look at the Australians yesterday. Sure
their ocr is higher than ours at the moment, but
they have kept it lower and didn't go as early
as we did. We hiked like Hillary up Everest and
we're heading for growth of what half a percent this
year the Aussies two percent. Make no mistake, it was
(02:03):
the same lot standing down there in Wellington today, crowing
about dropping rates, telling us the economies on the men
that through the punches that we are feeling right now,
and when you look across the test when you can
feel the gut punch. The bigger problem for us, of course,
is not just that we're looking across the Testment. It's
that we're packing up and moving there as well. Here
(02:24):
is hoping that today's cut and the more to come
that they've signaled will help stop the exodus.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I'm so sick of hearing about interest rates and OCRs
and inflation, and it really is just that like annoys
to me. Now, it's like the adults in in the
Snoopy the Peanuts cardoons. I just see it quite what.
(02:52):
To be honest, I'm like that about.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Most news, really news talk z bean.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'm doing the right job. If that's my attitude to news,
Who cares. Let's move on the public service. Are those
people doing the right job? They doing any kind of job?
What are they doing? So?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
New Zealand recently was told it had slipped to place
in the world reputational survey around fraud and corruption. We're
now fourth in the world. We used to be higher.
That's still pretty good, but it's not as good as
we were before. The news that confidential data held by
a government agency was inappropriately given to a third party
as a very serious one. Maybe it was a misuse,
(03:33):
but that's not the point. It should never have been released.
It should not have been released without safeguards. Maybe this
was not as dodgy as it seems, but if we
let standard slide, then the next time could be even worse.
This is not the right time to be seen as
a wink nudge nudge sort of country. There's more than
enough Third World antics in play in this country as
(03:53):
it is already. And when you combine that finding along
with Brian Roach's report into the civil service that shows
us to be over governed and shows our governance our
civil service to be below standard, then the slow degradation
of New Zealand's reputation is certainly underway. We have too
many public servants and the ones that are there are
making either stupid mistakes or dodgy decisions. So New Zealand
(04:18):
can do better. That's the report card.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Could be worse. We could be a disruptive influence. That
was that was my report card stimulate. I don't think
we're I don't think we're disrupting anybody. Ouse that we're
influencing anybody else?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Are we used talks?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Shame that they had to sit away other countries over
the other side of the class from us. Ansty gets life.
But yeah, if we keep doing dodgy stuff with data,
we're going to get a dad read.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Labor was being rolled in plenty of other long held seats.
You know, they lost some seats that they never imagined
They would ever lose, that this seat was just another
of them that they lost. Would their member be willing
to put it to the test in a by election
where there's absolutely no hint of wrongdoing on behalf of
(05:05):
her party that here we are fair and skin Where
let's go Mano Wamano or Womana Womano Wamano and go
head to head and let's see who wins it this time.
I mean, I suppose the horse has bolted. If the
data has been misused, and at the moment there are
(05:28):
no individuals you can point the didery do at and
say they misuse that information. There is a police investigation ongoing.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
You know, there is no.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Clear evidence that could go before a court that the
data was misused. But if it looks like a rat,
smells like a rat, and it's got a long tail
like a rat, it does make you raise your eyebrows.
You need a definitive answer, was the data misused or not.
At the moment, we have suspicions, we have rumblings, And
(06:01):
while those rumblings continue, then it puts the whole judicial process,
in the whole electoral process in doubt as far as
I'm concerned. I mean, you look at the chair of
Manaowa Marii winning the seat, and you think, really did
she was it fair and square? I don't know, you know,
(06:26):
labor was being rolled left, right and center. She might
just have got lucky. I smell rats.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's only the election, the whole basis on which our
government has formed. Don't worry about too.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Much, all right?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So yeah, I think we're still worrying about the brain drain,
about people going overseas and taking all their skills and
training with them.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
Well, people in their thirties and forties tend to more
likely to have children as well, And so you move
your children over to another country, they start going to
an Australian school that get Australian accents, and what you've
got some Australians as opposed to the normal thing that
I think a lot of us did. We went overseas
and then got pregnant and then came back because we
thought this was the place to bring up our kids.
(07:16):
But all of a sudden, you've got Australian kids and
they're going to Australian and schools or English or wherever
you go, and then you've got serious roots in that
country that that that's going to make it less likely
to come home.
Speaker 8 (07:28):
And yeah, I think if you're going in your mid
mid thirties or early forties, you're probably going because you've
got something lined up, so the opportunity is there. You
don't sort of just go to work and yeah, yeah, which,
you know, look, look great, it's great that it's been
a tradition and still is a tradition. And you'd expect
high numbers of Kiwis heading off on the oe, the
(07:50):
younger Kiwi's, you know, because they were you know, stuck
here for four years with um and dad and all
that sort of stuff through COVID, and so it makes
sense there was a bulge there. But look, I know that,
you know, anecdotally, we know that this is a problem,
but it just sort of confirms that it is real.
I've had a look at the comments online. There's a
(08:11):
lot of debate about what's driving it. I think for me,
primarily it would be the economics of it. Jobs, you know, unemployments,
rising wages in higher wages, and so I think economics
is at the root of why people migrate. I have
noticed a lot of comments saying that New Zealand's got
too woke and all that sort of stuff too. There's
that sort of cultural debate.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's not just the weather or the food. People move
forward too ooka, too woke to live here anymore?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Wow, news talk has it been?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Okay, let's finish up with Marcus talking about I've got hercules,
I've got woodroom and Luxon not being there.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
What's all this about?
Speaker 6 (08:57):
You never crashed one of the hercules all those years?
So good on the air Force for Yeah, I wasn't
lux in there because he thought he hased to run airline.
You looking down there for the odd landing? What wasn't
seven sharp here? You think they'd be interviewing the pilots?
What's going on with the stories we want to see? Meanwhile,
(09:21):
in christ Church today, part of the aviation history aimed
to an end, crossing now to oh that's right. Well, yeah,
it's just we love that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
These days.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
If it doesn't ever it happens outside, Auckland's not covered.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
For goodness sake.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think you do need things like
reporters and camera operators and stuff like that. It's a
been tricky otherwise, and Luxon can't be everywhere, I guess
he's got a few other things on. I think I
(10:04):
am a glen hat that has been neutral said then,
and I'll see you back here again tomorrow. I'll be here,
That's where I'll be admittedly, yes, in August.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Use Talking Talking zid bean.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
For more from Used Talk Said b. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk, said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday. So it's official. The Public
Service is a complete writer. Although that could be a
misuse of data, seems to be a lot of that
going on, and we've got data on more brains draining
(00:46):
from the country to other countries. Ah and Marcus was
worried about some kind of luxe and no show, so
we'll get into that at the end of the pod.
But first up, ocr Day at your day yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
How exciting when you're looking basically at a far more
neutral rate at that point, by Christmas, a far more
neutral interest rate where it's neither driving nor starving the
economy of oxygen. And that is good if you're a
homeowner with a tuckapunicized mortgage on your house. But the
word from all in his body's done at the Central
Bank today was don't expect longer term mortgage rates to
(01:20):
come down too much more. That's year two to five
year rates. Why because they're driven largely by offshore borrowing conditions,
which basically aren't that great right now for a bunch
of reasons. So, yes, this is good. We're coming down
the slope further. But you can't help but feel a
little pissed off, a little peeved, I should say that
we had to climb so high and so fast in
(01:42):
the first place. You look at the Australians yesterday. Sure
their ocr is higher than ours at the moment, but
they have kept it lower and didn't go as early
as we did. We hiked like Hillary up Everest and
we're heading for growth of what half a percent this
year the Aussies two percent. Make no mistake, it was
(02:03):
the same lot standing down there in Wellington today, crowing
about dropping rates, telling us the economies on the men
that through the punches that we are feeling right now,
and when you look across the test when you can
feel the gut punch. The bigger problem for us, of course,
is not just that we're looking across the Testment. It's
that we're packing up and moving there as well. Here
(02:24):
is hoping that today's cut and the more to come
that they've signaled will help stop the exodus.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I'm so sick of hearing about interest rates and OCRs
and inflation, and it really is just that like annoys
to me. Now, it's like the adults in in the
Snoopy the Peanuts cardoons. I just see it quite what.
(02:52):
To be honest, I'm like that about.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Most news, really news talk z bean.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'm doing the right job. If that's my attitude to news,
Who cares. Let's move on the public service. Are those
people doing the right job? They doing any kind of job?
What are they doing? So?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
New Zealand recently was told it had slipped to place
in the world reputational survey around fraud and corruption. We're
now fourth in the world. We used to be higher.
That's still pretty good, but it's not as good as
we were before. The news that confidential data held by
a government agency was inappropriately given to a third party
as a very serious one. Maybe it was a misuse,
(03:33):
but that's not the point. It should never have been released.
It should not have been released without safeguards. Maybe this
was not as dodgy as it seems, but if we
let standard slide, then the next time could be even worse.
This is not the right time to be seen as
a wink nudge nudge sort of country. There's more than
enough Third World antics in play in this country as
(03:53):
it is already. And when you combine that finding along
with Brian Roach's report into the civil service that shows
us to be over governed and shows our governance our
civil service to be below standard, then the slow degradation
of New Zealand's reputation is certainly underway. We have too
many public servants and the ones that are there are
making either stupid mistakes or dodgy decisions. So New Zealand
(04:18):
can do better. That's the report card.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Could be worse. We could be a disruptive influence. That
was that was my report card stimulate. I don't think
we're I don't think we're disrupting anybody. Ouse that we're
influencing anybody else?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Are we used talks?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Shame that they had to sit away other countries over
the other side of the class from us. Ansty gets life.
But yeah, if we keep doing dodgy stuff with data,
we're going to get a dad read.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Labor was being rolled in plenty of other long held seats.
You know, they lost some seats that they never imagined
They would ever lose, that this seat was just another
of them that they lost. Would their member be willing
to put it to the test in a by election
where there's absolutely no hint of wrongdoing on behalf of
(05:05):
her party that here we are fair and skin Where
let's go Mano Wamano or Womana Womano Wamano and go
head to head and let's see who wins it this time.
I mean, I suppose the horse has bolted. If the
data has been misused, and at the moment there are
(05:28):
no individuals you can point the didery do at and
say they misuse that information. There is a police investigation ongoing.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
You know, there is no.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Clear evidence that could go before a court that the
data was misused. But if it looks like a rat,
smells like a rat, and it's got a long tail
like a rat, it does make you raise your eyebrows.
You need a definitive answer, was the data misused or not.
At the moment, we have suspicions, we have rumblings, And
(06:01):
while those rumblings continue, then it puts the whole judicial process,
in the whole electoral process in doubt as far as
I'm concerned. I mean, you look at the chair of
Manaowa Marii winning the seat, and you think, really did
she was it fair and square? I don't know, you know,
(06:26):
labor was being rolled left, right and center. She might
just have got lucky. I smell rats.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's only the election, the whole basis on which our
government has formed. Don't worry about too.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Much, all right?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So yeah, I think we're still worrying about the brain drain,
about people going overseas and taking all their skills and
training with them.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
Well, people in their thirties and forties tend to more
likely to have children as well, And so you move
your children over to another country, they start going to
an Australian school that get Australian accents, and what you've
got some Australians as opposed to the normal thing that
I think a lot of us did. We went overseas
and then got pregnant and then came back because we
thought this was the place to bring up our kids.
(07:16):
But all of a sudden, you've got Australian kids and
they're going to Australian and schools or English or wherever
you go, and then you've got serious roots in that
country that that that's going to make it less likely
to come home.
Speaker 8 (07:28):
And yeah, I think if you're going in your mid
mid thirties or early forties, you're probably going because you've
got something lined up, so the opportunity is there. You
don't sort of just go to work and yeah, yeah, which,
you know, look, look great, it's great that it's been
a tradition and still is a tradition. And you'd expect
high numbers of Kiwis heading off on the oe, the
(07:50):
younger Kiwi's, you know, because they were you know, stuck
here for four years with um and dad and all
that sort of stuff through COVID, and so it makes
sense there was a bulge there. But look, I know that,
you know, anecdotally, we know that this is a problem,
but it just sort of confirms that it is real.
I've had a look at the comments online. There's a
(08:11):
lot of debate about what's driving it. I think for me,
primarily it would be the economics of it. Jobs, you know, unemployments,
rising wages in higher wages, and so I think economics
is at the root of why people migrate. I have
noticed a lot of comments saying that New Zealand's got
too woke and all that sort of stuff too. There's
that sort of cultural debate.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's not just the weather or the food. People move
forward too ooka, too woke to live here anymore?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Wow, news talk has it been?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Okay, let's finish up with Marcus talking about I've got hercules,
I've got woodroom and Luxon not being there.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
What's all this about?
Speaker 6 (08:57):
You never crashed one of the hercules all those years?
So good on the air Force for Yeah, I wasn't
lux in there because he thought he hased to run airline.
You looking down there for the odd landing? What wasn't
seven sharp here? You think they'd be interviewing the pilots?
What's going on with the stories we want to see? Meanwhile,
(09:21):
in christ Church today, part of the aviation history aimed
to an end, crossing now to oh that's right. Well, yeah,
it's just we love that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
These days.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
If it doesn't ever it happens outside, Auckland's not covered.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
For goodness sake.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think you do need things like
reporters and camera operators and stuff like that. It's a
been tricky otherwise, and Luxon can't be everywhere, I guess
he's got a few other things on. I think I
(10:04):
am a glen hat that has been neutral said then,
and I'll see you back here again tomorrow. I'll be here,
That's where I'll be admittedly, yes, in August.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Use Talking Talking zid bean.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
For more from Used Talk Said b. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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