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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
My beautiful Beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday, the fallout from the big
Oval Office argument. And then Marcus poses a double header question,
two part question on traffic control in this country. So
(00:47):
I've saved that till last because it's probably the more
important thing. Well, I'm actually going to put Matt and
Tyler first because I never put them first, and they
were talking about Zelenski intra.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Famously, Churchill did wear a military uniform to the White
House and no one seemed to have a problem.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, but I think the difference there is that Roosevelt
didn't feel any disrespect with that boiler suit or war
garb that he was wearing military garb. And that's a difference, right,
is that this scenario very different to Churchill meeting Roosevelt
after Pearl Harbor. Very different, very different.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, So we're not talking about the rights and wrongs,
who's evil, who's not evil, who's morally right? I guess
is the question. The thing is Zelensky's going to the
White House to try and get something from the Trump administration,
who don't need to be involved anymore. In fact, a
lot of their supporters don't support the situation, so it's
(01:44):
a proxy conversation. But if you'd want a suit, and
I know that he hasn't. For the last three years,
it's been his thing to say I'm at war, maybe
that would have made things go a little smoother, because
it's just a way to say thank you, and we're
here to deal. But maybe Zelenski wasn't there to deal
because maybe he's too hurt and he's too rightly angry
at what's happened that he can't really bring himself to
(02:04):
give Putin what Putin needs to accept a deal.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Maybe he wanted to galvanize Europe to spend a bit
more on their defense.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Maybe is it just that he's been pretty busy. It's
been too busy to go out and get a suit.
I've got to say, can I just be real here.
I do think it is odd that he never turns
up at a suit And I'm not really a suit
(02:34):
kind of a guy. I generally only have about one
suit that fits me at any given time, and usually
I go to put that on and then discover that
doesn't fit me either, And I reckon Zeltz. He's probably
lost a bit of weight over the last three years,
so his suit probably hanging off him, if he's got
one hanging in the spare room wardrobe. But in saying
(02:58):
all that, I don't know if it's really the most.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Important issue news talk has it been?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
What is the most important issue here? Carrie helped me out,
Please help me out?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Like or not, it's pretty much true. Whatever the European
leaders decide as regards Ukraine, they know, and they have
stated publicly that the USA will be needed to act
as security and however poorly the meeting went. And I
think unmitigated disaster is what everybody is referring to it
(03:31):
as Ukraine needs America and America does not need Ukraine.
And Donald Trump has said, if you want billions of
dollars in military support and financial aid, we're not doing
it for goodness and for freedom and democracy, and because
we will act as the world's policeman and police an
(03:54):
invader that is wrong. We'll do it for money. We're done,
We're done. With doing it for ideals. You want our help,
then you have to give us something back. And I
suppose this is all done nicely, nicely underneath the surface.
In the past, there's always countries always want something for
(04:15):
their aid. The US wanted aid for coming to Britain's
assistance during World War Two, and we're going to give
it for nothing. But it's always done behind closed doors
and nicely nicely. Here it was played out and all
its unglorious reality before a watching world. That's the way
(04:36):
the world has always been, but we've just never seen it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's odds that we seem to have lost sight. It's
all become very transactional, hasn't it. I feel like world
wars in the past were fought over things like I
don't know, pretecting the idea of democracy and freedom in
(05:01):
resisting sprugal dictatorships. But that suddenly that doesn't it doesn't
seem to because you can't put a you can't really
put a dollars and cents, and now it's against that
sort of thing. It's sort of a walky idea. So
you know, unless you do for me, I won't do
(05:22):
for you.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
How are you supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I mean, I'm not a big fan of wars generally,
but I just people always talk about what people thought
for in the war, you know, defending things like Anzac Day,
and I just feel like none of those things seem
to be in the conversation at the moment you talk
how Ryan Bridge sees it. I'm always interested to see
if I'm in line or out of the line with
(05:46):
the other NEWSPORKSZV hosts. I say other, I'm not a host?
Am I a host? I host this podcast? I suppose
I'm the host.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
There's a guy who lives in Wellington named Ford Hart.
He's an American diplomat thirty three years experience. He's been
consul general to Hong Kong and Macaw, director of the
National Security Council and China. Big dog knows his stuff right.
He reckons the only way that China would see as
some sort of Switzerland of the Pacific would be to
ditch and us all together. Cut our defense packed with
(06:16):
the Aussies because they're tied to the Yanks, and then
we're basically all tied to one another anyway. We'd also
need to ditch five Eyes, as Helen suggested, cut maritime
patrols with Washington and Canberra. The list goes on, Basically,
we would need to unfriend the West, and then we
could really call ourselves and dependent, are we really ready
(06:38):
to do these things, to ditch our ossie cousins, to
let China swallow Taiwan in our own backyard? The reality
is at some point we're going to need to pick
aside and stop pretending that where everybody's friend and nobody's enemy,
and that day might just be closer than we think.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I'd just like to point out that as far as
I know pored heart, there's no relation me. Not all
hearts are related. For example, although my father was Graham Hart,
he wasn't the same one who has.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
All the money fortnoy you s called Siddy.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But back to Zelenski versus Crump, Andrew Dickens wanted to
have his.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
Say too, and remember he has a mandate for that.
He campaigned on it, he's been public about it the
whole way he got the vote. So when they met
and the press started recording, Trump advance spoke as though
their plan was a fad to complete, but it wasn't.
Ukraine always said no security guarantee, no deal, So when
Zelensky started reminding him both of them of what happened
(07:46):
in the past. Trump Advance went two on one, didn't they,
And they bullied and they gave him a lesson. It
was schoo yard stuff, beating up an immigrant kid with
English as the second language, and the Americans loved it.
And that's who Trump and Vance were actually playing to
the American public, the American public that voted for Trump,
that are sick of trillions of their dollars going to
a place they barely know. The American public is now
(08:07):
saying Zelensky wants to canntinue with the war, but that's
not so. He wants a peace. He wants a cease fire,
but with a security guarantee. He doesn't want a piece
that lasts for just a week, So Putin must be
loving this. America is now seen to be selfish and
irrelevant and looking after itself, while Europe's under investment in
(08:27):
defense is clearing. Europe is prepared to ensure the peace,
but America is not. And by the way, can I
please remind everyone who goes on about Zelensky being not
in a suit that back in the day when Winston
Churchill went to Washington to convince America to enter World
War Two, he came dressed in a military boiler suit,
and that was to signify he was in an actual war,
(08:49):
which the Americans weren't. Zelensky is in an actual war.
Trump and Vans are not.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So yeah, we come up with this dress code issue again.
So it's symbolic of something. Obviously, news talk zep Beneah.
Obviously we can all have an opinion about what's going
on with the Ukraine War, but not many of us
(09:17):
can't do much about it. What we can do is
have an opinion. In the great roundabouts Specius traffic lights debate.
Speaker 8 (09:26):
In New Zealand, would there be more roundabouts or traffic lights?
And how many of each do you think there is?
Rough guess I'm not going to I'm going to wander around, Captain,
then you get dizzy. In New Zealand would there be
more traffic lights? And the sad thing about this question,
(09:46):
I wish someone had asked me this question, but I
know I got center as and emails a bit of information.
So having a chance to think about this, it's a
bit like are there more doors or wheels? But in
New Zealand, would there be more roundabouts or traffic lights.
Have a think about that and tell me the answer,
and also tell me how many think how many you
think there are? You'll be fast over the answers. I
(10:10):
guarantee it would there be more than a hundred. How
many traffic lights? How many roundabouts? And which is there
more of? And when I'm talking traffic lights, obviously, if
there's a t intersection, that's one set of traffic lights.
There's not four traffic lights.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Get it now?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Sadly, I don't know what the answer is to that question.
I did not listen to the Marcus's show last night,
the whole show. I can't tell you. You can go
back and listen to the whole thing if you want
audio and demand on the Newstook's v website. But I
think we can safely assume that there are more than
one hundred of either thing. And I think we can
(10:53):
also safely assume that there's hets more roundabouts of preferent lights.
Who are that obvious? I mean most towns have roundabouts,
not all towns have traffic lights. I used to live
in Cambridge and we didn't have any triffic lights in Cambridge,
and then we got a set of triffert lights, and
(11:14):
it was it was crazy and I'm just trying to
I think because I set my driver's license in Cambridge,
and I think I got my driver's license pre triffic lights.
In fact, I thought i'd failed my practical driver's license
because we're about two thirds of the way through the
(11:35):
test and the guy told me to drive back to
where we'd started from. I thought, I'm a bad er.
I've done something. It's an instant fail. But he basically said,
I know what had happened there is that you hadn't
done anything wrong at all up until that point. So
unless you, you know, run an old lady over, it
(11:55):
was I wasn't going to be able to take enough
points off to fail you. So I'd like to say
that that means I'm a good driver now. But remember
this was a very very very long time ago in
a town with no Trippic light. There was a good hell,
though you had to do a hell start one hell.
There's one hell in Cambridge as well, that's always been
(12:17):
there that wasn't added. So yeah, I think I think
we've firmly established it. That was the bigger talking point
of the day yesterday even though you might have had
to hang around and talk about midnight to hear what
the answer was from Marcus, it would have been worth it.
I'm sure you don't have to hang around here anymore.
Off you go go about your business, and we'll reconvene
(12:39):
here again. Tomorrow's year.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Then news Talk is Talking zaid Bean For more from
news Talk said b. Listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said Bee.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk, Said Talk Said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
My beautiful Beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday, the fallout from the big
Oval Office argument. And then Marcus poses a double header question,
two part question on traffic control in this country. So
(00:47):
I've saved that till last because it's probably the more
important thing. Well, I'm actually going to put Matt and
Tyler first because I never put them first, and they
were talking about Zelenski intra.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Famously, Churchill did wear a military uniform to the White
House and no one seemed to have a problem.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, but I think the difference there is that Roosevelt
didn't feel any disrespect with that boiler suit or war
garb that he was wearing military garb. And that's a difference, right,
is that this scenario very different to Churchill meeting Roosevelt
after Pearl Harbor. Very different, very different.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, So we're not talking about the rights and wrongs,
who's evil, who's not evil, who's morally right? I guess
is the question. The thing is Zelensky's going to the
White House to try and get something from the Trump administration,
who don't need to be involved anymore. In fact, a
lot of their supporters don't support the situation, so it's
(01:44):
a proxy conversation. But if you'd want a suit, and
I know that he hasn't. For the last three years,
it's been his thing to say I'm at war, maybe
that would have made things go a little smoother, because
it's just a way to say thank you, and we're
here to deal. But maybe Zelenski wasn't there to deal
because maybe he's too hurt and he's too rightly angry
at what's happened that he can't really bring himself to
(02:04):
give Putin what Putin needs to accept a deal.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Maybe he wanted to galvanize Europe to spend a bit
more on their defense.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Maybe is it just that he's been pretty busy. It's
been too busy to go out and get a suit.
I've got to say, can I just be real here.
I do think it is odd that he never turns
up at a suit And I'm not really a suit
(02:34):
kind of a guy. I generally only have about one
suit that fits me at any given time, and usually
I go to put that on and then discover that
doesn't fit me either, And I reckon Zeltz. He's probably
lost a bit of weight over the last three years,
so his suit probably hanging off him, if he's got
one hanging in the spare room wardrobe. But in saying
(02:58):
all that, I don't know if it's really the most.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Important issue news talk has it been?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
What is the most important issue here? Carrie helped me out,
Please help me out?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Like or not, it's pretty much true. Whatever the European
leaders decide as regards Ukraine, they know, and they have
stated publicly that the USA will be needed to act
as security and however poorly the meeting went. And I
think unmitigated disaster is what everybody is referring to it
(03:31):
as Ukraine needs America and America does not need Ukraine.
And Donald Trump has said, if you want billions of
dollars in military support and financial aid, we're not doing
it for goodness and for freedom and democracy, and because
we will act as the world's policeman and police an
(03:54):
invader that is wrong. We'll do it for money. We're done,
We're done. With doing it for ideals. You want our help,
then you have to give us something back. And I
suppose this is all done nicely, nicely underneath the surface.
In the past, there's always countries always want something for
(04:15):
their aid. The US wanted aid for coming to Britain's
assistance during World War Two, and we're going to give
it for nothing. But it's always done behind closed doors
and nicely nicely. Here it was played out and all
its unglorious reality before a watching world. That's the way
(04:36):
the world has always been, but we've just never seen it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's odds that we seem to have lost sight. It's
all become very transactional, hasn't it. I feel like world
wars in the past were fought over things like I
don't know, pretecting the idea of democracy and freedom in
(05:01):
resisting sprugal dictatorships. But that suddenly that doesn't it doesn't
seem to because you can't put a you can't really
put a dollars and cents, and now it's against that
sort of thing. It's sort of a walky idea. So
you know, unless you do for me, I won't do
(05:22):
for you.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
How are you supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I mean, I'm not a big fan of wars generally,
but I just people always talk about what people thought
for in the war, you know, defending things like Anzac Day,
and I just feel like none of those things seem
to be in the conversation at the moment you talk
how Ryan Bridge sees it. I'm always interested to see
if I'm in line or out of the line with
(05:46):
the other NEWSPORKSZV hosts. I say other, I'm not a host?
Am I a host? I host this podcast? I suppose
I'm the host.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
There's a guy who lives in Wellington named Ford Hart.
He's an American diplomat thirty three years experience. He's been
consul general to Hong Kong and Macaw, director of the
National Security Council and China. Big dog knows his stuff right.
He reckons the only way that China would see as
some sort of Switzerland of the Pacific would be to
ditch and us all together. Cut our defense packed with
(06:16):
the Aussies because they're tied to the Yanks, and then
we're basically all tied to one another anyway. We'd also
need to ditch five Eyes, as Helen suggested, cut maritime
patrols with Washington and Canberra. The list goes on, Basically,
we would need to unfriend the West, and then we
could really call ourselves and dependent, are we really ready
(06:38):
to do these things, to ditch our ossie cousins, to
let China swallow Taiwan in our own backyard? The reality
is at some point we're going to need to pick
aside and stop pretending that where everybody's friend and nobody's enemy,
and that day might just be closer than we think.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I'd just like to point out that as far as
I know pored heart, there's no relation me. Not all
hearts are related. For example, although my father was Graham Hart,
he wasn't the same one who has.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
All the money fortnoy you s called Siddy.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But back to Zelenski versus Crump, Andrew Dickens wanted to
have his.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
Say too, and remember he has a mandate for that.
He campaigned on it, he's been public about it the
whole way he got the vote. So when they met
and the press started recording, Trump advance spoke as though
their plan was a fad to complete, but it wasn't.
Ukraine always said no security guarantee, no deal, So when
Zelensky started reminding him both of them of what happened
(07:46):
in the past. Trump Advance went two on one, didn't they,
And they bullied and they gave him a lesson. It
was schoo yard stuff, beating up an immigrant kid with
English as the second language, and the Americans loved it.
And that's who Trump and Vance were actually playing to
the American public, the American public that voted for Trump,
that are sick of trillions of their dollars going to
a place they barely know. The American public is now
(08:07):
saying Zelensky wants to canntinue with the war, but that's
not so. He wants a peace. He wants a cease fire,
but with a security guarantee. He doesn't want a piece
that lasts for just a week, So Putin must be
loving this. America is now seen to be selfish and
irrelevant and looking after itself, while Europe's under investment in
(08:27):
defense is clearing. Europe is prepared to ensure the peace,
but America is not. And by the way, can I
please remind everyone who goes on about Zelensky being not
in a suit that back in the day when Winston
Churchill went to Washington to convince America to enter World
War Two, he came dressed in a military boiler suit,
and that was to signify he was in an actual war,
(08:49):
which the Americans weren't. Zelensky is in an actual war.
Trump and Vans are not.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So yeah, we come up with this dress code issue again.
So it's symbolic of something. Obviously, news talk zep Beneah.
Obviously we can all have an opinion about what's going
on with the Ukraine War, but not many of us
(09:17):
can't do much about it. What we can do is
have an opinion. In the great roundabouts Specius traffic lights debate.
Speaker 8 (09:26):
In New Zealand, would there be more roundabouts or traffic lights?
And how many of each do you think there is?
Rough guess I'm not going to I'm going to wander around, Captain,
then you get dizzy. In New Zealand would there be
more traffic lights? And the sad thing about this question,
(09:46):
I wish someone had asked me this question, but I
know I got center as and emails a bit of information.
So having a chance to think about this, it's a
bit like are there more doors or wheels? But in
New Zealand, would there be more roundabouts or traffic lights.
Have a think about that and tell me the answer,
and also tell me how many think how many you
think there are? You'll be fast over the answers. I
(10:10):
guarantee it would there be more than a hundred. How
many traffic lights? How many roundabouts? And which is there
more of? And when I'm talking traffic lights, obviously, if
there's a t intersection, that's one set of traffic lights.
There's not four traffic lights.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Get it now?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Sadly, I don't know what the answer is to that question.
I did not listen to the Marcus's show last night,
the whole show. I can't tell you. You can go
back and listen to the whole thing if you want
audio and demand on the Newstook's v website. But I
think we can safely assume that there are more than
one hundred of either thing. And I think we can
(10:53):
also safely assume that there's hets more roundabouts of preferent lights.
Who are that obvious? I mean most towns have roundabouts,
not all towns have traffic lights. I used to live
in Cambridge and we didn't have any triffic lights in Cambridge,
and then we got a set of triffert lights, and
(11:14):
it was it was crazy and I'm just trying to
I think because I set my driver's license in Cambridge,
and I think I got my driver's license pre triffic lights.
In fact, I thought i'd failed my practical driver's license
because we're about two thirds of the way through the
(11:35):
test and the guy told me to drive back to
where we'd started from. I thought, I'm a bad er.
I've done something. It's an instant fail. But he basically said,
I know what had happened there is that you hadn't
done anything wrong at all up until that point. So
unless you, you know, run an old lady over, it
(11:55):
was I wasn't going to be able to take enough
points off to fail you. So I'd like to say
that that means I'm a good driver now. But remember
this was a very very very long time ago in
a town with no Trippic light. There was a good hell,
though you had to do a hell start one hell.
There's one hell in Cambridge as well, that's always been
(12:17):
there that wasn't added. So yeah, I think I think
we've firmly established it. That was the bigger talking point
of the day yesterday even though you might have had
to hang around and talk about midnight to hear what
the answer was from Marcus, it would have been worth it.
I'm sure you don't have to hang around here anymore.
Off you go go about your business, and we'll reconvene
(12:39):
here again. Tomorrow's year.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
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and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcast on iHeartRadio
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