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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news, I am Bleon Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday the trade wars man there on.
It's all on come, you know, throwing us weight around.
(00:43):
Are we ever going to get a new ferry service?
And we're going to finish up with Marcus having a
go of the Pixi caramel and what he thinks about
it lately. He thinks he's been a change. But before
any of that, finally, some news here in New Zealand
(01:06):
that's not about school lunches. Adrian or has resigned.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yes, so we essentially had the hardest landing in the OECD.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
How much responsibility is that on the reserve.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Feet Oh totally, But don't forget he works to a
committee as well, So when they decide on the ocr
and what it's going to be, the Committee of infinite
Wisdom sits around and decides what's likely to happen in
the economy a minutes. You know. Economics, as we all know,
is a very inexact science, and so you can only
(01:40):
take a punt like the rest of us. But this
Adrian wall All was much more deliberate when it came
to the economy. He believed that he had his finger
on the pulse and printing money was sort of out
of control. The government's spend was out of control, and
that allowed them to spend the way they did. So look,
(02:03):
there's a lot resting on Adrian or shoulders. In a
personal sense, Adrian Or was quite a nice blocks.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It's a funny old thing, isn't it. I've sat here
and listened to many interviews between Mike Hosking and Adrian Or,
both of whom are coming from completely opposite opinions about
things mostly, and yet I heard them speak with each
other off air and privily convel all. It doesn't seem
(02:33):
to be any major friction there. There's two different schools
of thought. So, yeah, you play the ball, not the man.
I guess what happens there. But it must be you're
down over time.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
News talk has it been?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Certainly, Yeah, it's more trouble. Would it would be worth
if it was me? It would never be me of
this because I don't understand how anything works.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Willis didn't want him to be reappointed for his five
year term in the first place. You might recall that
she wrote a letter to Grant Robertson saying pretty much
exactly that, don't rehire this guy. And Robertson, of course did,
and at the time he said it was important to
have continuity in the role, which we all know proved
to be exactly what we didn't need or opened the
(03:26):
floodgates during COVID. Monetary policy was loose money printing with
gay abandon and then of course the tide went out
and we were all swimming naked. Inflation was so bad
that we literally couldn't afford togs. He has copped a
lot of flack over the years, hasn't he. He was
under the pump. I interviewed him many times during that
particularly tumultuous period on the tally. Viewers found him a
(03:51):
bit smarmy, some said he was arrogant. The opposition loathed him.
And this is exactly why he shouldn't have been reappointed.
Why Robertson got that so wrong. Continuity is exactly what
we didn't need. The argument is, and it's a pretty
convincing one. We shouldn't have let the guy who who
helped start the fire and fan the flames be the
(04:11):
one to put the fire out. Perhaps if somebody else
were in charge, would have taken a slower and lower
o CR track like the Aussies, thereby avoiding or at
least softening the worst recession in thirty years. He brought
us back down to worth like a ton of bricks.
That is all hypothetical now, of course, it's all should
(04:32):
have it's history and from today, so is Adriana Warre.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, like I say, I mean, it's the full guys,
it's one of those jobs I don't think you can
ever win at because remember he's not he doesn't just
do it by himself. So there's a committee. So it's
a group of people. So they sit around and they
decide what to do. And yeah, but he then has
(04:58):
to frond up and he explained why they decided, what
is what they did? So yeah, I'm more of a
kick your head down. I hope nobody notices here kind
of a guy talk. Right, So back to Trump. We
can't seem to get through a day without going back Trump,
can we.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's all on.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Versus going down the Metlico and Gooda and Canada. Interesting times,
interesting times.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Now he hasn't put the tariffs on the EU yet,
but it is very very wise of them to come
up with a plan should he do so. Italy's industry
minister Adolpho Urso suggested that Europe could avoid US tariffs
by yielding to Trump's demands while also calling for unity
(05:53):
and warning against a trade war. One way to plicate Trump,
he hinted, would be to accommodate his demands to boost
Europeans European defense spending. And that's it. Trump is doing
what he's doing because he can. We run the world.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
This is America's world.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
He's our proxy this world. This ends when we say
it ends.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
That's Fox commentator Jesse Waters. But you know he was
talking about Ukraine. But ultimately it is America's world. Trade
wars wars in Ukraine they end when America says it ends.
And that's just a matter of fact. Trump might not
have dignity and he might not have grace, but it's
(06:43):
got power, and by god, he's not afraid to use it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It does make you wonder what all the other presidents
were doing, because he does seem to like make things happen,
doesn't he?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Trump?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And the way the American governments set up with the
you know, the two Houses and the Supreme Court for
having a say, I mean, people like Obama would have
led you to believe that there's only so much you
can do as president. But here it says to be
Trump's Baylor the highway, doesn't it us called set? Things
(07:24):
don't work by that way back here in New Zealand,
do they. I'm sure Winston leaders would like to have
a little bit more power than he really does, but
he seems determined to make something happen with the with
the cooks rate theories, which is great because nothing really
seems to be so far.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
So did you hear the disappointment oozing out of that
Maritime Union guy I just spoke to when we find out,
of course, the break fee for the inter island ferries
will be around three hundred million Hurricans. It's more like
a billion, But that recon felt like a reckon, if
you know what I mean. The fairies, by the way,
only cost five hundred and fifty one million dollars, so
three hundred mili. That's sixty percent of the cost of
the fairies just to break the contract. So if we
(08:04):
do accept that a billion dollars has been spent on
nothing at all, it's making labors like rail fiasco look trivial.
The union guy called all the situation Nikola Willis's mistake,
and I have to say I agree. She is hoping
to be remembered as the savior of the economy, but
she will never escape this billion dollar boat botch up.
A botch up she jumped into because I think she
(08:26):
just wanted to strike a blow against labor and their spending.
And also Kiwi Rail, who seem to think the government
is an open bank. Winston Peters is rushing to patch
things up. We always seem to forget what the real
cost of the project is. Yeah, five hundred and fifty
mili on some boats, but it's the wharves and more
particularly the Wellington Wolves. They need to be renovated. They
(08:46):
need to be earthquake strengthened, they need to be future proofed.
We need to decide if they need real infrastructure at
all so we can roll a train on a ship
or do we have a terminal where we swap off
over the cargo. We need to decide the capacity of
the terminals, and these are all questions that never make
the public decision. It was a three to four billion
dollar project. The boats are only five hundred and fifty
(09:09):
mili of that, So where's the debate on all the rest?
And as we wait for Winston's grand answer to this
three billion dollar question, I hope he will cover those
issues as much as the floating stop.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Still think it wouldn't it just be easier to have
a tunnel. I'm going to know it would cost a
lot to mate, but overall then we'd have a tunnel
and we wouldn't have to keep paying for the tunnel.
This just seems to be a mess of money pit
(09:40):
and we still don't really have a solution, do we.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
News talk has it been.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Which takes longer figuring out what's happening with the fairies
or chewing a pixiceramol.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I was at the four Square with my boy, the
younger boy, and I was trying to extol from the
virtues of various chocolate bars, because it's not that wise
in the ways of chocolate bars. I think probably the
one thing he's been exposed to is like a favorite.
(10:11):
And so he was talking about the Turkish delight. I said, yeah, well,
it's not a bad thing, the Turkish delight. But I
said to him, have you ever tried a Pixie caramel?
He said, no, I've never tried to pick. I'll tell
you what, I'll get your Pixie caramel because I think
that might be something you quite enjoy anyway, in terms
of researchers at the Peck and Save tonight, and I
(10:34):
got a Pixie caramel for him, and I thought I
would just try one to see if that says good.
As it once was, it was smaller, it was wax here,
it was not free chewy. It was one of the
great disappointments of my adult life. Now, what's happened with
the Pixie caramel is that me as an adult misremembering,
(10:55):
or has it kind of got waxi orangutang chocolate and
it's got shrink flation. I'm not happy. Seemed to be
much much smaller. I try not to moan about stuff,
but I thought the Pixie caramel was he huge disappointment,
so it just seemed seem more like a biscuit size wise.
(11:20):
I don't know if that shrink flation, but I think
the Pixie caramel has certainly got much much smaller. But
the chew's gone. There's no chew. It's smaller, the chocolate's
waxy and it's non chew. I won't give them one.
I'd rather Actually, i'd feel funny going to them and
(11:43):
saying this was a great chocolate bar from our childhood.
Didn't think, well, actually it's not very good at all.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Anyways.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
If I'm right about the Pixie caramel, let me know
about that one. Don't buy it terrible. You see, the
thing is there's no new good chocolate things coming through,
and all the old ones are terrible. Yeah, they've skipped
on all the ingredients. They always say new and proved formula,
but you know full well it's something cheap and cheap
and cheaper, smaller, less chewy, waxy because the ad was
(12:13):
great and your last requests a Pixie caramel. But yeah,
with that one, i'd be he'd be before the firing
squad in ten seconds. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I think there's a rogue rose colored glasses thing happening
here with Marcus, because I think I've gone Pixie caramel
a few times over the last I'm gonna say six months.
I might have had two in the last six months.
(12:42):
Maybe this is all something about sketchy, isn't it. Maybe
as I remember, But what I do remember is that
they were still quite chewy, and I think, can you
could you get a dark chocolate one? I feel like
there was a dark chocolate one there for a while,
and that was pretty good, A big mouthful of caramel
and dark chocolate that you just got to keep chewing
(13:05):
on for a while. It was a good ad man
for a long time. That guy in front of the
firing squad, Yeah, I don't know that it's your I
think they did exaggerate things a bit in that air.
I don't know that's the best way to stay while stecution,
(13:29):
but I guess.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It would.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
And it would depend whether they let you pop down
to the force fere I suppose as well. Would they
send somebody down, So they've probably send somebody down. I
don't know how they would all work. I am in
heart that has been used to it said been thank
you for listening. As long as you have. This probably
went longer than it does. I've got a heck of
a matute. You'd have a couple of particular animals in
(13:54):
the time it takes to this podcast to happen, maybe
even in the time it took for me to do
this outro but at the end, but anyway, we'll see
you back here again tomorrow. Us talk.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
For more from newstalkzt B. Listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio news Talk sed Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news, I am Bleon Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday the trade wars man there on.
It's all on come, you know, throwing us weight around.
(00:43):
Are we ever going to get a new ferry service?
And we're going to finish up with Marcus having a
go of the Pixi caramel and what he thinks about
it lately. He thinks he's been a change. But before
any of that, finally, some news here in New Zealand
(01:06):
that's not about school lunches. Adrian or has resigned.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yes, so we essentially had the hardest landing in the OECD.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
How much responsibility is that on the reserve.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Feet Oh totally, But don't forget he works to a
committee as well, So when they decide on the ocr
and what it's going to be, the Committee of infinite
Wisdom sits around and decides what's likely to happen in
the economy a minutes. You know. Economics, as we all know,
is a very inexact science, and so you can only
(01:40):
take a punt like the rest of us. But this
Adrian wall All was much more deliberate when it came
to the economy. He believed that he had his finger
on the pulse and printing money was sort of out
of control. The government's spend was out of control, and
that allowed them to spend the way they did. So look,
(02:03):
there's a lot resting on Adrian or shoulders. In a
personal sense, Adrian Or was quite a nice blocks.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It's a funny old thing, isn't it. I've sat here
and listened to many interviews between Mike Hosking and Adrian Or,
both of whom are coming from completely opposite opinions about
things mostly, and yet I heard them speak with each
other off air and privily convel all. It doesn't seem
(02:33):
to be any major friction there. There's two different schools
of thought. So, yeah, you play the ball, not the man.
I guess what happens there. But it must be you're
down over time.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
News talk has it been?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Certainly, Yeah, it's more trouble. Would it would be worth
if it was me? It would never be me of
this because I don't understand how anything works.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Willis didn't want him to be reappointed for his five
year term in the first place. You might recall that
she wrote a letter to Grant Robertson saying pretty much
exactly that, don't rehire this guy. And Robertson, of course did,
and at the time he said it was important to
have continuity in the role, which we all know proved
to be exactly what we didn't need or opened the
(03:26):
floodgates during COVID. Monetary policy was loose money printing with
gay abandon and then of course the tide went out
and we were all swimming naked. Inflation was so bad
that we literally couldn't afford togs. He has copped a
lot of flack over the years, hasn't he. He was
under the pump. I interviewed him many times during that
particularly tumultuous period on the tally. Viewers found him a
(03:51):
bit smarmy, some said he was arrogant. The opposition loathed him.
And this is exactly why he shouldn't have been reappointed.
Why Robertson got that so wrong. Continuity is exactly what
we didn't need. The argument is, and it's a pretty
convincing one. We shouldn't have let the guy who who
helped start the fire and fan the flames be the
(04:11):
one to put the fire out. Perhaps if somebody else
were in charge, would have taken a slower and lower
o CR track like the Aussies, thereby avoiding or at
least softening the worst recession in thirty years. He brought
us back down to worth like a ton of bricks.
That is all hypothetical now, of course, it's all should
(04:32):
have it's history and from today, so is Adriana Warre.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, like I say, I mean, it's the full guys,
it's one of those jobs I don't think you can
ever win at because remember he's not he doesn't just
do it by himself. So there's a committee. So it's
a group of people. So they sit around and they
decide what to do. And yeah, but he then has
(04:58):
to frond up and he explained why they decided, what
is what they did? So yeah, I'm more of a
kick your head down. I hope nobody notices here kind
of a guy talk. Right, So back to Trump. We
can't seem to get through a day without going back Trump,
can we.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's all on.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Versus going down the Metlico and Gooda and Canada. Interesting times,
interesting times.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Now he hasn't put the tariffs on the EU yet,
but it is very very wise of them to come
up with a plan should he do so. Italy's industry
minister Adolpho Urso suggested that Europe could avoid US tariffs
by yielding to Trump's demands while also calling for unity
(05:53):
and warning against a trade war. One way to plicate Trump,
he hinted, would be to accommodate his demands to boost
Europeans European defense spending. And that's it. Trump is doing
what he's doing because he can. We run the world.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
This is America's world.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
He's our proxy this world. This ends when we say
it ends.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
That's Fox commentator Jesse Waters. But you know he was
talking about Ukraine. But ultimately it is America's world. Trade
wars wars in Ukraine they end when America says it ends.
And that's just a matter of fact. Trump might not
have dignity and he might not have grace, but it's
(06:43):
got power, and by god, he's not afraid to use it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It does make you wonder what all the other presidents
were doing, because he does seem to like make things happen,
doesn't he?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Trump?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And the way the American governments set up with the
you know, the two Houses and the Supreme Court for
having a say, I mean, people like Obama would have
led you to believe that there's only so much you
can do as president. But here it says to be
Trump's Baylor the highway, doesn't it us called set? Things
(07:24):
don't work by that way back here in New Zealand,
do they. I'm sure Winston leaders would like to have
a little bit more power than he really does, but
he seems determined to make something happen with the with
the cooks rate theories, which is great because nothing really
seems to be so far.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
So did you hear the disappointment oozing out of that
Maritime Union guy I just spoke to when we find out,
of course, the break fee for the inter island ferries
will be around three hundred million Hurricans. It's more like
a billion, But that recon felt like a reckon, if
you know what I mean. The fairies, by the way,
only cost five hundred and fifty one million dollars, so
three hundred mili. That's sixty percent of the cost of
the fairies just to break the contract. So if we
(08:04):
do accept that a billion dollars has been spent on
nothing at all, it's making labors like rail fiasco look trivial.
The union guy called all the situation Nikola Willis's mistake,
and I have to say I agree. She is hoping
to be remembered as the savior of the economy, but
she will never escape this billion dollar boat botch up.
A botch up she jumped into because I think she
(08:26):
just wanted to strike a blow against labor and their spending.
And also Kiwi Rail, who seem to think the government
is an open bank. Winston Peters is rushing to patch
things up. We always seem to forget what the real
cost of the project is. Yeah, five hundred and fifty
mili on some boats, but it's the wharves and more
particularly the Wellington Wolves. They need to be renovated. They
(08:46):
need to be earthquake strengthened, they need to be future proofed.
We need to decide if they need real infrastructure at
all so we can roll a train on a ship
or do we have a terminal where we swap off
over the cargo. We need to decide the capacity of
the terminals, and these are all questions that never make
the public decision. It was a three to four billion
dollar project. The boats are only five hundred and fifty
(09:09):
mili of that, So where's the debate on all the rest?
And as we wait for Winston's grand answer to this
three billion dollar question, I hope he will cover those
issues as much as the floating stop.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Still think it wouldn't it just be easier to have
a tunnel. I'm going to know it would cost a
lot to mate, but overall then we'd have a tunnel
and we wouldn't have to keep paying for the tunnel.
This just seems to be a mess of money pit
(09:40):
and we still don't really have a solution, do we.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
News talk has it been.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Which takes longer figuring out what's happening with the fairies
or chewing a pixiceramol.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I was at the four Square with my boy, the
younger boy, and I was trying to extol from the
virtues of various chocolate bars, because it's not that wise
in the ways of chocolate bars. I think probably the
one thing he's been exposed to is like a favorite.
(10:11):
And so he was talking about the Turkish delight. I said, yeah, well,
it's not a bad thing, the Turkish delight. But I
said to him, have you ever tried a Pixie caramel?
He said, no, I've never tried to pick. I'll tell
you what, I'll get your Pixie caramel because I think
that might be something you quite enjoy anyway, in terms
of researchers at the Peck and Save tonight, and I
(10:34):
got a Pixie caramel for him, and I thought I
would just try one to see if that says good.
As it once was, it was smaller, it was wax here,
it was not free chewy. It was one of the
great disappointments of my adult life. Now, what's happened with
the Pixie caramel is that me as an adult misremembering,
(10:55):
or has it kind of got waxi orangutang chocolate and
it's got shrink flation. I'm not happy. Seemed to be
much much smaller. I try not to moan about stuff,
but I thought the Pixie caramel was he huge disappointment,
so it just seemed seem more like a biscuit size wise.
(11:20):
I don't know if that shrink flation, but I think
the Pixie caramel has certainly got much much smaller. But
the chew's gone. There's no chew. It's smaller, the chocolate's
waxy and it's non chew. I won't give them one.
I'd rather Actually, i'd feel funny going to them and
(11:43):
saying this was a great chocolate bar from our childhood.
Didn't think, well, actually it's not very good at all.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Anyways.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
If I'm right about the Pixie caramel, let me know
about that one. Don't buy it terrible. You see, the
thing is there's no new good chocolate things coming through,
and all the old ones are terrible. Yeah, they've skipped
on all the ingredients. They always say new and proved formula,
but you know full well it's something cheap and cheap
and cheaper, smaller, less chewy, waxy because the ad was
(12:13):
great and your last requests a Pixie caramel. But yeah,
with that one, i'd be he'd be before the firing
squad in ten seconds. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I think there's a rogue rose colored glasses thing happening
here with Marcus, because I think I've gone Pixie caramel
a few times over the last I'm gonna say six months.
I might have had two in the last six months.
(12:42):
Maybe this is all something about sketchy, isn't it. Maybe
as I remember, But what I do remember is that
they were still quite chewy, and I think, can you
could you get a dark chocolate one? I feel like
there was a dark chocolate one there for a while,
and that was pretty good, A big mouthful of caramel
and dark chocolate that you just got to keep chewing
(13:05):
on for a while. It was a good ad man
for a long time. That guy in front of the
firing squad, Yeah, I don't know that it's your I
think they did exaggerate things a bit in that air.
I don't know that's the best way to stay while stecution,
(13:29):
but I guess.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It would.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
And it would depend whether they let you pop down
to the force fere I suppose as well. Would they
send somebody down, So they've probably send somebody down. I
don't know how they would all work. I am in
heart that has been used to it said been thank
you for listening. As long as you have. This probably
went longer than it does. I've got a heck of
a matute. You'd have a couple of particular animals in
(13:54):
the time it takes to this podcast to happen, maybe
even in the time it took for me to do
this outro but at the end, but anyway, we'll see
you back here again tomorrow. Us talk.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
For more from newstalkzt B. Listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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