March 23, 2025 • 12 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from the weekend on Newstalk ZB) From Player to Coach/How Winston Sees It/Luxon Peddling Hard/The Man Who Made Me Fall Off My Chair/Lucy Drops Herself In It
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my little beanies, and welcome to the Bean of
the Weekend edition. First with yesterday's news, I am Glen
Hart and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday,
which are the most common days for weekends to happen.
On Wood Saint Peter's has a State of the Nation.
Lots of people have States of the Nation, don't they.
That's funny how they don't always match up anyway. How
(00:44):
does Jack Taying recon Luxeon went in India? Or with India?
Ben Elton pops into the studio for a chat, and
Lucy Lawless is giving directing a go. But before any
of that, yes, grizz Wiley passed away. He was great.
Exactly how great was he? Let's find out from one
(01:05):
of the greatest rugby commentators there ever, was John macbeth.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
What do you remember about Gris Wiley as a player.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
As a player, I always thought to myself, I'm pleased
I'm not playing against them. You know, he was so
hard and there were so many stories about him. Jason
about the fact that he was physical, he didn't take
a backward step. There's many an inside back in New
Zealand who were playing their early games and representative player
and they came up against Alex Whyley Alec Whyley and
(01:34):
they just knew that. They come off remembering that for
all the wrong reasons. He was a tough player. He
was really rugged of that Canterbury mold. He played in
the Canterbury teams which were renowned for being hard forward players.
The back's got the ball occasionally. So it always surprised
(01:54):
many people when he became a coach that he encouraged
and developed such wonderful backplay within the Canterbury team.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
When he was a player and then went on to
become a coach. You talked about his coaching philosoph John,
but but when he became a coach, was did that
seem to you like a like a natural progression. Did
he always seem like he would go into coaching.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I was.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I was always surprised about that, because you know, he
was busy man on the farm and things, and they'd
played two hundred plus games for Canterbury. He'd spent so
much time with rugby and he took a bit of
time out, but then he immediately got that well. I
soon got back into his Glenmark club and and and
then his immediate success I think just inspired him to
(02:40):
go a bit further.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I always remember that ad where they showed his different
emotional reactions to things, and it was obviously just the
same quaint base because he wasn't really known for expressing
himself outwardly. That was a great dead d I can't
remember what it was for, but it was a great
(03:04):
ad news talk has it been right? Much doubt about
how Winston Peters is feeling about things? So he certainly
made his feelings really clear out with his State of
the Nations speak. And there were protesters there apparently certainly
some people don't like the way he states the nation.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
You love a good protest?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
What was that?
Speaker 6 (03:25):
What?
Speaker 5 (03:25):
What was that like?
Speaker 7 (03:28):
Look?
Speaker 6 (03:29):
What matter?
Speaker 7 (03:29):
It was that we packed the place so d and
some couldn't get in, and then there were some protesses outside,
but we fully expected that and we made sure that
they weren't going to win in terms of a democratically
lawful meeting.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Is there a part of you that, just as a politician,
when you see those protests it sort of gives you
a bit of a launching pad something to push back
on to get cracking with his speech. You sort of
is there a part of you that's sort of like,
oh good, let's get into these guys no more.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
You know what I mean? Oh, you're quite right. I
mean I say, it's like Elvis the staying the trouble.
You've come to the right place.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
What do you want people to take from your speech?
You did you into It was a lengthy speech, covering
a lot of ground. I noticed that the first thing
was you really wanted to put labor in their places
to maybe do you feel some frustration that they are
doing so well on the polls despite, as you would say,
being the author of our misfortunes.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Well, the reality is that getting away with a lie.
For example, in the months before the Phy three election,
they put out a forecast back by a treasury that
was a litany of lies. And we've proven that, and
we've taken all this time to turn the economy from
recession into recovery. And that's why we are looking at
a gross an hour of almost three percent.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
A bit confused when Winston Peter says we are he
talking about New Zealand first specifically or the mish Mesh government.
A fear of me to call a miss Mesh government.
I don't think it.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Is, is it?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And when Laxon gets a good press for his gellings
in India last week, which I think is general, what
happened there? Do you think when S Peter's has taken
credit for that as well?
Speaker 8 (05:12):
He was probably only on the ground for forty eight hours.
There were breakfasts and dinners, There were official meetings, multiple bilaterals,
all across town, twenty or so different leaders to meet.
And I remember that when he landed, before he even
went to his hotel or had a shower, after seventeen
or eighteen hours in the year, Luxon insisted on swinging
past the Australian delegation so he could catch up in
(05:34):
an impromptu way with Anthony Albanisi. By anyone's measure, it
was a grueling schedule, a seriously grueling schedule, no downtime,
and Luxon always had to be on. And I asked him,
just before he flew home how he was feeling. He
must be exhausted. I said, honestly, it was as though
(05:56):
the possibility had never even crossed his mind. Huh, he said. No,
I love this, he said, and I believed him. Look,
there are plenty of levers that governments can pull that
impact economic conditions. This government's critics will argue that a
part of New Zealand's current economic malaise is as a
(06:17):
result of their policies. Nonetheless, at a time when the
world's biggest superpower is spraying tariffs all over the show
and speedily retreating from its international role, I do think
there's value symbolic or otherwise. And a Prime minister overtly
hustling for his company.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, always be hustling. Somebody said that, I think I
think somebody said, I'm pretty sure I've can't be the
first person because it's said that. I mean, why would
I say that that way? I must have heard it somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I find this next person very funny, indeed, actually the
person after the next person. I mean, I find Trancesca
relatively funny, but not as funny as Ben elf.
Speaker 8 (07:07):
What is it about stand up that brings you back
to it time and time A well?
Speaker 9 (07:12):
I think as a writer, I mean, I've made my
entire life writing comedy in various genrery and musical sitcoms.
The theater plays novels, many novels, sixteen novels. But stand
up is the only area of my works as a
comic artist. For what it's worth, that's what I am,
I guess, which is entirely subjective. It's where I get
to tell, you know what the new youth phrases, to
(07:33):
stand in your truth. That's what I say, stand in
your truth and share what you know, which is I
think modern talk for in my opinion. But I'm standing
in my truth and that's what I do as a
stand up because I think good comedy is about sort
of exploring your own bewilderment, your own your own fears,
your own delights. And that's what I've been doing for
forty five years. But I'm doing it from a perspective
(07:55):
of some venerability now. I mean that's in a way
why I think stand Up's got more more invigorating for
me than it ever was when I was a young man.
Because when I was a young comic, as with all
young people, I'm very sure of myself. And you know
what I thought, I laid down the law. Young people,
that's their job, it's their job to be the change
to be vigorously forthright about everything they feel and believe.
(08:16):
And I was, and I used that as part of
my comedy. And now forty five years later, I'm sort
of two generations since I was personally the change, and
you know, my bewilderment has been growing ever since. And
so that's what I lean into these days, my ongoing bewilderment,
and it makes for great stand up. And yeah, I've
just found I'm more committed to the art of stand
(08:36):
up comedy than I ever was, even when I was
in my kind of vaguely hip pomp back in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I I don't think it was quite a bit long
ago that I saw being out from doing sixteen up,
but it was a long time ago, but I remember
it quite clearly because I literally fell off my cheer
because I was laughing at him so hard.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
He's pretty big news talks.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
It been.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, somebody asked, who's pretty clever as Lucy Laws and
talk about creating a reality reality distortion field, And somebody
rings her up, asks her if she wants to get
involved with a movie, and she goes, yeah, let's do it.
(09:25):
And then he has to figure out how to do it.
After that it tends auctually been off a little bit
more than she could do. It turns out she could
actually chew it and direct it.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Who is Margaret Moth?
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Margaret Moth was a kick ass woman from New Zealand
who ran off and became a CNN camera person at
the at the start of twenty four to seven News
and found her place.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
In the world.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Unfortunately, the world that she chose meant that she was
on the receiving end of a sniper's bullet in Sarayeva
and got her face blown off and then things get
really crazy. So she did not die.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
No, she didn't die. And I mean she is I
mean she's someone and I can say that's working in
the news business, you know, like she is a legend
of an absolute bona fide, top of the pyramid legend
in New Zealand news. But obviously you have worked over
the years in different parts of television. So how did
you come across her story?
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Well? I was approached by her best friend, Joe Duran,
who's in the film, and he said, hey, do you
want to make a film about my friend Margaret Moth?
And I was so swept up in this crazy sensation
of this woman who many years before, in nineteen ninety two,
(10:49):
when she was shot by that bullet in Sarajeva. The
news report was so captivating that everything that I know
about Margaret Moth had to have happened in that report
in that week when they were, you know, not sure
whether she was going to survive or not. I hadn't
thought about her since, But in that moment that I
(11:09):
received the email, I wrote back immediately, I mean, within
ninety seconds, making all these crazy promises which I had
no business doing. So I will find the money, I
will find the producers. The story has to be told.
And I didn't realize that what I was now participating
in was actually bringing Margaret home in a way.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
She's pretty cool, isn't she Losey Lawless. I think the
next time I want to make a movie about somebody's life,
I'm going to call her first. She seems to be
a get things done kind of a woman by the
sounds of things, and I'm not really In fact, I'm
(11:52):
not get things done person, nor am I a woman.
So don't come to me what I'm saying unless you
want a podcast done. Because I do a couple of
those every day. I'll be back with this one the
same time again tomorrow, and then a little bit later
in the day I'll have the rewrap for you, which
is kind of the same as this, except that's mostly
about microskings. I'll see you at the end.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Pakmon news Talk is Talking zid bean. For more from
news Talk, said b listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk sed be you Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my little beanies, and welcome to the Bean of
the Weekend edition. First with yesterday's news, I am Glen
Hart and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday,
which are the most common days for weekends to happen.
On Wood Saint Peter's has a State of the Nation.
Lots of people have States of the Nation, don't they.
That's funny how they don't always match up anyway. How
(00:44):
does Jack Taying recon Luxeon went in India? Or with India?
Ben Elton pops into the studio for a chat, and
Lucy Lawless is giving directing a go. But before any
of that, yes, grizz Wiley passed away. He was great.
Exactly how great was he? Let's find out from one
(01:05):
of the greatest rugby commentators there ever, was John macbeth.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
What do you remember about Gris Wiley as a player.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
As a player, I always thought to myself, I'm pleased
I'm not playing against them. You know, he was so
hard and there were so many stories about him. Jason
about the fact that he was physical, he didn't take
a backward step. There's many an inside back in New
Zealand who were playing their early games and representative player
and they came up against Alex Whyley Alec Whyley and
(01:34):
they just knew that. They come off remembering that for
all the wrong reasons. He was a tough player. He
was really rugged of that Canterbury mold. He played in
the Canterbury teams which were renowned for being hard forward players.
The back's got the ball occasionally. So it always surprised
(01:54):
many people when he became a coach that he encouraged
and developed such wonderful backplay within the Canterbury team.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
When he was a player and then went on to
become a coach. You talked about his coaching philosoph John,
but but when he became a coach, was did that
seem to you like a like a natural progression. Did
he always seem like he would go into coaching.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I was.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I was always surprised about that, because you know, he
was busy man on the farm and things, and they'd
played two hundred plus games for Canterbury. He'd spent so
much time with rugby and he took a bit of
time out, but then he immediately got that well. I
soon got back into his Glenmark club and and and
then his immediate success I think just inspired him to
(02:40):
go a bit further.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I always remember that ad where they showed his different
emotional reactions to things, and it was obviously just the
same quaint base because he wasn't really known for expressing
himself outwardly. That was a great dead d I can't
remember what it was for, but it was a great
(03:04):
ad news talk has it been right? Much doubt about
how Winston Peters is feeling about things? So he certainly
made his feelings really clear out with his State of
the Nations speak. And there were protesters there apparently certainly
some people don't like the way he states the nation.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
You love a good protest?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
What was that?
Speaker 6 (03:25):
What?
Speaker 5 (03:25):
What was that like?
Speaker 7 (03:28):
Look?
Speaker 6 (03:29):
What matter?
Speaker 7 (03:29):
It was that we packed the place so d and
some couldn't get in, and then there were some protesses outside,
but we fully expected that and we made sure that
they weren't going to win in terms of a democratically
lawful meeting.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Is there a part of you that, just as a politician,
when you see those protests it sort of gives you
a bit of a launching pad something to push back
on to get cracking with his speech. You sort of
is there a part of you that's sort of like,
oh good, let's get into these guys no more.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
You know what I mean? Oh, you're quite right. I
mean I say, it's like Elvis the staying the trouble.
You've come to the right place.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
What do you want people to take from your speech?
You did you into It was a lengthy speech, covering
a lot of ground. I noticed that the first thing
was you really wanted to put labor in their places
to maybe do you feel some frustration that they are
doing so well on the polls despite, as you would say,
being the author of our misfortunes.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Well, the reality is that getting away with a lie.
For example, in the months before the Phy three election,
they put out a forecast back by a treasury that
was a litany of lies. And we've proven that, and
we've taken all this time to turn the economy from
recession into recovery. And that's why we are looking at
a gross an hour of almost three percent.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
A bit confused when Winston Peter says we are he
talking about New Zealand first specifically or the mish Mesh government.
A fear of me to call a miss Mesh government.
I don't think it.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Is, is it?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And when Laxon gets a good press for his gellings
in India last week, which I think is general, what
happened there? Do you think when S Peter's has taken
credit for that as well?
Speaker 8 (05:12):
He was probably only on the ground for forty eight hours.
There were breakfasts and dinners, There were official meetings, multiple bilaterals,
all across town, twenty or so different leaders to meet.
And I remember that when he landed, before he even
went to his hotel or had a shower, after seventeen
or eighteen hours in the year, Luxon insisted on swinging
past the Australian delegation so he could catch up in
(05:34):
an impromptu way with Anthony Albanisi. By anyone's measure, it
was a grueling schedule, a seriously grueling schedule, no downtime,
and Luxon always had to be on. And I asked him,
just before he flew home how he was feeling. He
must be exhausted. I said, honestly, it was as though
(05:56):
the possibility had never even crossed his mind. Huh, he said. No,
I love this, he said, and I believed him. Look,
there are plenty of levers that governments can pull that
impact economic conditions. This government's critics will argue that a
part of New Zealand's current economic malaise is as a
(06:17):
result of their policies. Nonetheless, at a time when the
world's biggest superpower is spraying tariffs all over the show
and speedily retreating from its international role, I do think
there's value symbolic or otherwise. And a Prime minister overtly
hustling for his company.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, always be hustling. Somebody said that, I think I
think somebody said, I'm pretty sure I've can't be the
first person because it's said that. I mean, why would
I say that that way? I must have heard it somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I find this next person very funny, indeed, actually the
person after the next person. I mean, I find Trancesca
relatively funny, but not as funny as Ben elf.
Speaker 8 (07:07):
What is it about stand up that brings you back
to it time and time A well?
Speaker 9 (07:12):
I think as a writer, I mean, I've made my
entire life writing comedy in various genrery and musical sitcoms.
The theater plays novels, many novels, sixteen novels. But stand
up is the only area of my works as a
comic artist. For what it's worth, that's what I am,
I guess, which is entirely subjective. It's where I get
to tell, you know what the new youth phrases, to
(07:33):
stand in your truth. That's what I say, stand in
your truth and share what you know, which is I
think modern talk for in my opinion. But I'm standing
in my truth and that's what I do as a
stand up because I think good comedy is about sort
of exploring your own bewilderment, your own your own fears,
your own delights. And that's what I've been doing for
forty five years. But I'm doing it from a perspective
(07:55):
of some venerability now. I mean that's in a way
why I think stand Up's got more more invigorating for
me than it ever was when I was a young man.
Because when I was a young comic, as with all
young people, I'm very sure of myself. And you know
what I thought, I laid down the law. Young people,
that's their job, it's their job to be the change
to be vigorously forthright about everything they feel and believe.
(08:16):
And I was, and I used that as part of
my comedy. And now forty five years later, I'm sort
of two generations since I was personally the change, and
you know, my bewilderment has been growing ever since. And
so that's what I lean into these days, my ongoing bewilderment,
and it makes for great stand up. And yeah, I've
just found I'm more committed to the art of stand
(08:36):
up comedy than I ever was, even when I was
in my kind of vaguely hip pomp back in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I I don't think it was quite a bit long
ago that I saw being out from doing sixteen up,
but it was a long time ago, but I remember
it quite clearly because I literally fell off my cheer
because I was laughing at him so hard.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
He's pretty big news talks.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
It been.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, somebody asked, who's pretty clever as Lucy Laws and
talk about creating a reality reality distortion field, And somebody
rings her up, asks her if she wants to get
involved with a movie, and she goes, yeah, let's do it.
(09:25):
And then he has to figure out how to do it.
After that it tends auctually been off a little bit
more than she could do. It turns out she could
actually chew it and direct it.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Who is Margaret Moth?
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Margaret Moth was a kick ass woman from New Zealand
who ran off and became a CNN camera person at
the at the start of twenty four to seven News
and found her place.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
In the world.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Unfortunately, the world that she chose meant that she was
on the receiving end of a sniper's bullet in Sarayeva
and got her face blown off and then things get
really crazy. So she did not die.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
No, she didn't die. And I mean she is I
mean she's someone and I can say that's working in
the news business, you know, like she is a legend
of an absolute bona fide, top of the pyramid legend
in New Zealand news. But obviously you have worked over
the years in different parts of television. So how did
you come across her story?
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Well? I was approached by her best friend, Joe Duran,
who's in the film, and he said, hey, do you
want to make a film about my friend Margaret Moth?
And I was so swept up in this crazy sensation
of this woman who many years before, in nineteen ninety two,
(10:49):
when she was shot by that bullet in Sarajeva. The
news report was so captivating that everything that I know
about Margaret Moth had to have happened in that report
in that week when they were, you know, not sure
whether she was going to survive or not. I hadn't
thought about her since, But in that moment that I
(11:09):
received the email, I wrote back immediately, I mean, within
ninety seconds, making all these crazy promises which I had
no business doing. So I will find the money, I
will find the producers. The story has to be told.
And I didn't realize that what I was now participating
in was actually bringing Margaret home in a way.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
She's pretty cool, isn't she Losey Lawless. I think the
next time I want to make a movie about somebody's life,
I'm going to call her first. She seems to be
a get things done kind of a woman by the
sounds of things, and I'm not really In fact, I'm
(11:52):
not get things done person, nor am I a woman.
So don't come to me what I'm saying unless you
want a podcast done. Because I do a couple of
those every day. I'll be back with this one the
same time again tomorrow, and then a little bit later
in the day I'll have the rewrap for you, which
is kind of the same as this, except that's mostly
about microskings. I'll see you at the end.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Pakmon news Talk is Talking zid bean. For more from
news Talk, said b listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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