April 8, 2025 • 13 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Tuesday on Newstalk ZB) What Are We Defending Ourselves From?/Watching Trump Too Closely/Meet You at the Mall/The Old Public Pooing Problem
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart, and we
are looking back at Tuesday. I wonder if we've become
a little bit Trump obsessed, but yep, we'll be talking
about him again today. More safety on the agenda, and
(00:45):
freedom camping is back on the agenda as well. For
some reason, it's gone on there before any of that.
A bit of a boost to the defense force budget.
Is this too little, too late?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
He also told Mike that he wanted to get the
contract signed as soon as possible so that in the
event of a Labor Greens coalition there wouldn't be a
U turn on this defense commitment. But Labor leader Chris
Hipkins said he broadly agreed with the plan as it
stood on Monday. He was interested in seeing how it
would be paid for, as indeed are we all, But
what would he care about that didn't bother him in
(01:23):
the past where the money came from. But he basically
sees an increase in defense spending as an extension of
Labour's twenty nineteen plan, and they did. They did put
in a considerable sum of money, again probably as part
of the coalition commitments. I guess when you see Chris
(01:45):
Hipkins saying he broadly agrees with it, political leaders with
an ounce of experience and pragmatism who are not blinded
by ideology understand that the world is indeed a precarious place.
We have to be willing and prepared to play our
part and helping ourselves and helping our friends. And with
that commitment yesterday, we're certainly showing that we're willing to
(02:08):
do so.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I mean, Chris Hopkins is the last person who should
be asking how you're going to pay for something that
is true. I've made it pretty clear how I feel
about spending money on operations that are basically there to
event ultimately kill other people. Not a fan, and I
(02:31):
think it should be the last thing. We should spend
money on everything else, and once everything else is paid for,
then we do that.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
News talk has it been?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But I'm probably wrong? In naive and Lardi bloody bladdy blah.
What does Andrew Dickins think?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
It's an unsettled world, and in an unset of world,
defense is essential and the equation for a credible defense
is spending two percent of GDP. Now, within eight years
we'll get to that target. It's a doubling of the budget.
And the question is why are we only just doing
this now and we've been spending close to that for
the past thirty years. We wouldn't be facing so dramatic
(03:07):
a spend time day, but we didn't. We were fat
and complacent in a mistaken belief that we were safe
and sound and if something went wrong, our friends would
come and save us. Now we have China knocking on
our door and sailing in our seas. For as long
as I've been in the news business, which is over
thirty years now, Australia and the States have warned that
our coat tailing did not cut it and we had
(03:28):
to do our bit, maybe not have fighter jets, but
at least something. So fair play to Judith Collins. She's
finally accepting the responsibility that we've always needed to take.
But this comes at a difficult time. Firstly, of course,
the world has become more dangerous, so time is of
the essence. And secondly, we're broke and it comes at
a time when barely reported mass redundancies are actually happening
(03:51):
in defense to meet government spending targets. So with this
move they have announced. With this move, basically they are
firing at the moment on one hand, and yet they're
going to employ with another. Now on it, you can
argue that both the firing and the spending are both
net necessary, and they're necessary because we've sat in our
hands for so long, and they're necessary because we have
(04:14):
spent irresponsibly.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I need to do a
reality check, and I'm sure one day we'll come to
regret the fact that, you know, we don't really have
any ability to militarily defend ourselves against any aggresses. It's
just that we haven't seen any aggresses for such a
long time. We don't really understand what that means, do
(04:38):
I suppose? And when I say we are, mean me
's talk right. So, Yeah, Trump's been busy, isn't he
playing golf, hosting net and yahoos and the LA Dodgers
in a busy time for them, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Willis said nothing today that she hadn't already said on
this program last night. The operating allowance won't change. The
surplus track hasn't changed. There'll be cuts to fun new spending,
et cetera, et cetera. But the point was to get
out there to talk to people, be seen to be
in control. The problem for them is it's not them
in control. The thing about this event which makes it
(05:17):
different from COVID A virus or the GFC the subprime mortgages,
is that this has all been driven by one man.
Markets are yo yoing on the words that fall out
of Trump's mouth so much so they'd be better and
more stable if they opened while he slept. We've had
a couple of things happened since yesterday. Number One, Trump
threatened fifty percent in retaliation to China's thirty four percent,
(05:41):
which was of course a retaliation to his original thirty
four percent. The second thing that's happened just in the
last couple of hours, China has said we will fight
to the end. Now Beijing is being made an example
of here. If he caves to China, if he looks
weak on China, then Europe will smell that weekness and
hit back. Two. So far they haven't, which is telling
(06:03):
no tariffs yet. There's not much we can do down
here at the bottom of the world other than doing
what we're doing. Keep options open, talk through the back
channels in Washington, keep our trade draws opened, and hope
for the best. Hipkins reckons and he said this today,
we should be calling Trump out, But why paint a
bull's eye on the back of your shirt. The best
(06:26):
you can probably do is what Willis and Luxeon are doing.
And the counterfactual is the argument, can you name me
a country that's doing something drastically different and getting a
better deal. The answer is no. It's just gone midnight
in Washington right now, which means Trump's probably sleeping, and
like it or not, the world is now on his schedule.
(06:47):
When he sleeps, we rest. When he wakes, we're stress.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And as I'm recording this this morning, the Dow is
up one and a half percent. It's pouring back some
of our losses. But who knows where it will be
at the end of the day. Apparently it's surge that
yesterday for the day before on the kind of been
the day before was that it wasn't open the day
(07:13):
the form must been. Yesterday, on reports that Bloomberg had
said that Trump was thinking about pausing the tariffs for
a bit, but then it turned out that it was
just some guy whose last name was Bloomberg, not the
actual news outlet Bloomberg. But in the meantime, trillions of
dollars were traded.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Is this really a.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Mature way to run our global economy? They were talking
more safety. This has been an ongoing issue. Isn't it
sort of a retail crime so called epidemic? It's not
great when your kid gets his stuff nick though?
Speaker 7 (07:57):
Is it just talking about christ Church and Ricken and
More was obviously probably the biggest mall there. But would
you is there still an issue with the Rickenen bus
exchange that used to be a little bit of a
a hot bed for kids, you know, having scraps and
getting up to no good? As that still the case?
Speaker 8 (08:14):
Well, I so when my kids were younger that the
bus exchange hadn't wasn't there then? But I haven't heard
a lot. But I know, like in the last it
has been like that, But I haven't heard of any
incidences like publicly for a long time. But there's no
different than the bus. It's such change in christ Central.
(08:35):
I mean, nothing good probably happened here and that's more
with teenagers and things like that. So own people were
collos and or whatever.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
And just just what have you.
Speaker 8 (08:45):
But now I'm all for the kids to be dropped at.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
The mall going thank you so much, deb Yeah, so yeah.
I mean, things happen at bus stops, things happen on
the streets. What I'm saying is you need to look.
I believe, you know, I don't know everything. My kids
turn out great, but that was probably luck. As someone said,
who knows. But I believe you need to look for
opportunities for your kids to be independent from you as
(09:08):
much much as you can. And I just believe that
shopping malls. And it just happens to be this incident
happening at Saint Luke's, which happens to be the shopping
mall near my house. So I've been dropping my kids
off there for a very long time. I just feel
like as an opportunity for them to be independent, shopping
malls pretty good. There's security there, there's cameras there, there's
lights there. It's it's contained. I mean, I'm not talking
(09:31):
about dropping them off when the mall opens and picking
them up whenever at night. I'm talking about knowing where
they are and doing it actively, not because someone says, Matt,
you're just dropping your kids off because you can't deal
with them they're hungover.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
It's not that we bring it up though.
Speaker 9 (09:46):
If it's not that.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I'm terrified with Mauves myself, if I could get my
kids to go there, it's said of.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Me at the Ideal News talk been right.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So freedom camping again, it's always about it always seems
to be.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
About people pooing in the wrong place, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's what it comes down to. How much of this
really goes on. I mean, I've seen quite a few people,
and you know, mobile homes, camper vans sometimes tense in
various different places. I've never actually caught anybody pooing in
the bushes, though Marcus has though apparently I.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
Think Nelson's trying to do something with freedom campers defecating
in bushes and public urination I hope to reduce under
a proposedly just like freedom camping ban for three Nelson sites,
make no difference. No one enforces it. That's the problem.
(10:57):
Impossible to enforce. What's the job of kind of policing
freedom campers that I take? Fortunately, there aren't as many
as they once were. I guess they're coming back soon,
are they? I see more of those juicy vans on
(11:17):
the road. Fortunately COVID got rid of most of those.
But I see they're sneaking back. Were their sneaky ways
camping everywhere? Oh well, I've tried to chill out about
it a bit. More freedom campers, but we don't see
any of bluff these days. They used to be there
quite off up the top of the hill. For a while,
(11:42):
I found myself getting slightly wound up by them lighting
fires and camping and doing stuff. But you know, and
you go and kind of confront them, But what's the point.
I didn't really know what to say to them. I say,
you shouldn't be camp Well, what's Why's that?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It was?
Speaker 9 (12:03):
You didn't know if they put on a different accent
or you know, and you thought, well, actually what am
I doing? But anyway, but certainly there was nowhere else,
no one else would come out to police them, and
just piles of joint left in the reserve. But it
hasn't been as bad for four or five years. It
seems to no longer be such a thing. But I
think Nelson's got a huge problem with it. Kind of
(12:27):
give them an inch, they'll take a mile. That's the trouble.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I have food in the bushes, I will admit it.
I mean, I wasn't camping. I'd just misjudged when I
should have gone to the toilet. Yeah, I didn't follow
the old can make sure you go before you go,
or it's just the one time. And I guess you know,
(12:50):
if Marcus had come flying through the bushes and said, hey,
what are you doing, I would have say if I
just couldn't go before I went, I'm not freedom camping anyway.
And it's the finding the right kind of leaf to
wipe your bum with as well. That's this has got
(13:13):
rather explicit and unnecessarily detailed at the end of this podcast,
isn't it. I'm sorry about that. I'll try and keep
things bag.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'll try.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I'm not making any promises.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I'm going to try it.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
I'll see you here.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Us Talk is Talking zid bean. For more from news
Talk said B listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart, and we
are looking back at Tuesday. I wonder if we've become
a little bit Trump obsessed, but yep, we'll be talking
about him again today. More safety on the agenda, and
(00:45):
freedom camping is back on the agenda as well. For
some reason, it's gone on there before any of that.
A bit of a boost to the defense force budget.
Is this too little, too late?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
He also told Mike that he wanted to get the
contract signed as soon as possible so that in the
event of a Labor Greens coalition there wouldn't be a
U turn on this defense commitment. But Labor leader Chris
Hipkins said he broadly agreed with the plan as it
stood on Monday. He was interested in seeing how it
would be paid for, as indeed are we all, But
what would he care about that didn't bother him in
(01:23):
the past where the money came from. But he basically
sees an increase in defense spending as an extension of
Labour's twenty nineteen plan, and they did. They did put
in a considerable sum of money, again probably as part
of the coalition commitments. I guess when you see Chris
(01:45):
Hipkins saying he broadly agrees with it, political leaders with
an ounce of experience and pragmatism who are not blinded
by ideology understand that the world is indeed a precarious place.
We have to be willing and prepared to play our
part and helping ourselves and helping our friends. And with
that commitment yesterday, we're certainly showing that we're willing to
(02:08):
do so.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I mean, Chris Hopkins is the last person who should
be asking how you're going to pay for something that
is true. I've made it pretty clear how I feel
about spending money on operations that are basically there to
event ultimately kill other people. Not a fan, and I
(02:31):
think it should be the last thing. We should spend
money on everything else, and once everything else is paid for,
then we do that.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
News talk has it been?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But I'm probably wrong? In naive and Lardi bloody bladdy blah.
What does Andrew Dickins think?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
It's an unsettled world, and in an unset of world,
defense is essential and the equation for a credible defense
is spending two percent of GDP. Now, within eight years
we'll get to that target. It's a doubling of the budget.
And the question is why are we only just doing
this now and we've been spending close to that for
the past thirty years. We wouldn't be facing so dramatic
(03:07):
a spend time day, but we didn't. We were fat
and complacent in a mistaken belief that we were safe
and sound and if something went wrong, our friends would
come and save us. Now we have China knocking on
our door and sailing in our seas. For as long
as I've been in the news business, which is over
thirty years now, Australia and the States have warned that
our coat tailing did not cut it and we had
(03:28):
to do our bit, maybe not have fighter jets, but
at least something. So fair play to Judith Collins. She's
finally accepting the responsibility that we've always needed to take.
But this comes at a difficult time. Firstly, of course,
the world has become more dangerous, so time is of
the essence. And secondly, we're broke and it comes at
a time when barely reported mass redundancies are actually happening
(03:51):
in defense to meet government spending targets. So with this
move they have announced. With this move, basically they are
firing at the moment on one hand, and yet they're
going to employ with another. Now on it, you can
argue that both the firing and the spending are both
net necessary, and they're necessary because we've sat in our
hands for so long, and they're necessary because we have
(04:14):
spent irresponsibly.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I need to do a
reality check, and I'm sure one day we'll come to
regret the fact that, you know, we don't really have
any ability to militarily defend ourselves against any aggresses. It's
just that we haven't seen any aggresses for such a
long time. We don't really understand what that means, do
(04:38):
I suppose? And when I say we are, mean me
's talk right. So, Yeah, Trump's been busy, isn't he
playing golf, hosting net and yahoos and the LA Dodgers
in a busy time for them, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Willis said nothing today that she hadn't already said on
this program last night. The operating allowance won't change. The
surplus track hasn't changed. There'll be cuts to fun new spending,
et cetera, et cetera. But the point was to get
out there to talk to people, be seen to be
in control. The problem for them is it's not them
in control. The thing about this event which makes it
(05:17):
different from COVID A virus or the GFC the subprime mortgages,
is that this has all been driven by one man.
Markets are yo yoing on the words that fall out
of Trump's mouth so much so they'd be better and
more stable if they opened while he slept. We've had
a couple of things happened since yesterday. Number One, Trump
threatened fifty percent in retaliation to China's thirty four percent,
(05:41):
which was of course a retaliation to his original thirty
four percent. The second thing that's happened just in the
last couple of hours, China has said we will fight
to the end. Now Beijing is being made an example
of here. If he caves to China, if he looks
weak on China, then Europe will smell that weekness and
hit back. Two. So far they haven't, which is telling
(06:03):
no tariffs yet. There's not much we can do down
here at the bottom of the world other than doing
what we're doing. Keep options open, talk through the back
channels in Washington, keep our trade draws opened, and hope
for the best. Hipkins reckons and he said this today,
we should be calling Trump out, But why paint a
bull's eye on the back of your shirt. The best
(06:26):
you can probably do is what Willis and Luxeon are doing.
And the counterfactual is the argument, can you name me
a country that's doing something drastically different and getting a
better deal. The answer is no. It's just gone midnight
in Washington right now, which means Trump's probably sleeping, and
like it or not, the world is now on his schedule.
(06:47):
When he sleeps, we rest. When he wakes, we're stress.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And as I'm recording this this morning, the Dow is
up one and a half percent. It's pouring back some
of our losses. But who knows where it will be
at the end of the day. Apparently it's surge that
yesterday for the day before on the kind of been
the day before was that it wasn't open the day
(07:13):
the form must been. Yesterday, on reports that Bloomberg had
said that Trump was thinking about pausing the tariffs for
a bit, but then it turned out that it was
just some guy whose last name was Bloomberg, not the
actual news outlet Bloomberg. But in the meantime, trillions of
dollars were traded.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Is this really a.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Mature way to run our global economy? They were talking
more safety. This has been an ongoing issue. Isn't it
sort of a retail crime so called epidemic? It's not
great when your kid gets his stuff nick though?
Speaker 7 (07:57):
Is it just talking about christ Church and Ricken and
More was obviously probably the biggest mall there. But would
you is there still an issue with the Rickenen bus
exchange that used to be a little bit of a
a hot bed for kids, you know, having scraps and
getting up to no good? As that still the case?
Speaker 8 (08:14):
Well, I so when my kids were younger that the
bus exchange hadn't wasn't there then? But I haven't heard
a lot. But I know, like in the last it
has been like that, But I haven't heard of any
incidences like publicly for a long time. But there's no
different than the bus. It's such change in christ Central.
(08:35):
I mean, nothing good probably happened here and that's more
with teenagers and things like that. So own people were
collos and or whatever.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
And just just what have you.
Speaker 8 (08:45):
But now I'm all for the kids to be dropped at.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
The mall going thank you so much, deb Yeah, so yeah.
I mean, things happen at bus stops, things happen on
the streets. What I'm saying is you need to look.
I believe, you know, I don't know everything. My kids
turn out great, but that was probably luck. As someone said,
who knows. But I believe you need to look for
opportunities for your kids to be independent from you as
(09:08):
much much as you can. And I just believe that
shopping malls. And it just happens to be this incident
happening at Saint Luke's, which happens to be the shopping
mall near my house. So I've been dropping my kids
off there for a very long time. I just feel
like as an opportunity for them to be independent, shopping
malls pretty good. There's security there, there's cameras there, there's
lights there. It's it's contained. I mean, I'm not talking
(09:31):
about dropping them off when the mall opens and picking
them up whenever at night. I'm talking about knowing where
they are and doing it actively, not because someone says, Matt,
you're just dropping your kids off because you can't deal
with them they're hungover.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
It's not that we bring it up though.
Speaker 9 (09:46):
If it's not that.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I'm terrified with Mauves myself, if I could get my
kids to go there, it's said of.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Me at the Ideal News talk been right.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So freedom camping again, it's always about it always seems
to be.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
About people pooing in the wrong place, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's what it comes down to. How much of this
really goes on. I mean, I've seen quite a few people,
and you know, mobile homes, camper vans sometimes tense in
various different places. I've never actually caught anybody pooing in
the bushes, though Marcus has though apparently I.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
Think Nelson's trying to do something with freedom campers defecating
in bushes and public urination I hope to reduce under
a proposedly just like freedom camping ban for three Nelson sites,
make no difference. No one enforces it. That's the problem.
(10:57):
Impossible to enforce. What's the job of kind of policing
freedom campers that I take? Fortunately, there aren't as many
as they once were. I guess they're coming back soon,
are they? I see more of those juicy vans on
(11:17):
the road. Fortunately COVID got rid of most of those.
But I see they're sneaking back. Were their sneaky ways
camping everywhere? Oh well, I've tried to chill out about
it a bit. More freedom campers, but we don't see
any of bluff these days. They used to be there
quite off up the top of the hill. For a while,
(11:42):
I found myself getting slightly wound up by them lighting
fires and camping and doing stuff. But you know, and
you go and kind of confront them, But what's the point.
I didn't really know what to say to them. I say,
you shouldn't be camp Well, what's Why's that?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It was?
Speaker 9 (12:03):
You didn't know if they put on a different accent
or you know, and you thought, well, actually what am
I doing? But anyway, but certainly there was nowhere else,
no one else would come out to police them, and
just piles of joint left in the reserve. But it
hasn't been as bad for four or five years. It
seems to no longer be such a thing. But I
think Nelson's got a huge problem with it. Kind of
(12:27):
give them an inch, they'll take a mile. That's the trouble.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I have food in the bushes, I will admit it.
I mean, I wasn't camping. I'd just misjudged when I
should have gone to the toilet. Yeah, I didn't follow
the old can make sure you go before you go,
or it's just the one time. And I guess you know,
(12:50):
if Marcus had come flying through the bushes and said, hey,
what are you doing, I would have say if I
just couldn't go before I went, I'm not freedom camping anyway.
And it's the finding the right kind of leaf to
wipe your bum with as well. That's this has got
(13:13):
rather explicit and unnecessarily detailed at the end of this podcast,
isn't it. I'm sorry about that. I'll try and keep
things bag.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'll try.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I'm not making any promises.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I'm going to try it.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
I'll see you here.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Us Talk is Talking zid bean. For more from news
Talk said B listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
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