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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday and myth, myth everywhere and
more myth to.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You're doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I don't even know who you take me to, be honest,
Snort it, inject it. That's how naive I am about this.
But anyway, we're finding more and more and more disturbing
facts about it becoming more and more the drug of
choice because it's so cheap. Anyway, we'll cover that off shortly.
(01:00):
We're going to talk prison rehabilitation and whether that's actually
a thing, and we'll finish up on prison with Trump's
idea to reopen apple chairs. But before any of that,
Trump's effect on elections, you know, like in Canada, Australia, what.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You're seeing is in Singapore, Canada, Australia, the public voting
for governments that have their eyes on the right things,
and the right things. For us is to make sure
we don't take our eyes off the economic growth That's
why you hear me say growth, growth, growth, We keep
talking economics and rebuilding the economy from day one.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
That's important. A weird thing to say. Basically, the Aussies
and the Canadians simply picked the most economically credible parties
in the face of uncertain times. What those parties he's
endorsing are both from the left. That's the equivalent of
kicking his sister parties. The Aussie lives in the Canadian
Conservatives right in the shins when they're down. It made
(01:55):
no sense. I think you wanted to avoid mentioning the
Trump bump. Maybe what's actually happening here is not really
about parties. In terms of uncertainty, you don't change your horse.
Midst voters stick with what they know. When the world
is in a spin, you don't know up from down.
Human nature, for the most part is to do nothing
(02:17):
and hope it goes away. Why risk a new government
of unknown quantity. Singapore arguably just done the same. The counterfactional,
of course, is obviously America. But remember the American economy
was actually growing for the past few years, consumer spending
was strong, inflation had come down earlier than ours, So
that's a different set of circumstances as to why they
(02:38):
went for Trump. The best comparison for what's happened in
Australia and Canada in the past week is twenty twenty
New Zealand. A bunch of people really worried about a
perceived global threat, rallying around the flagpole and rejecting a
campaign that was neither well run nor nailing the public mood,
which Judith Collin's disastrous twenty twenty attempt didn't whether it
(02:59):
was trump orry reaction to him. For Luxeon to attribute
the fiscal credentials of left wing parties abroad with their
success was an unnecessary own goal.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And yeah, I mean, I guess unless he meant handing
out the those left wing parties were promised to hand
out the lollies and the conservative parties weren't. It was
very confusing. I mean, how many people went out and thought,
(03:35):
you know what Trump is nuts, I'm voting for whatever.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
He's against us.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Talk has it been?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I don't know that that many people think that they
can have an effect on Trump from their country, in Singapore,
in Australia, in Canada. Do they maybe in Canada, Heather
that doesn't think so either.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
People hate Trump so much anything that even resembles him
gets the big no. Now, I don't think that is
what's happened. That's what's happened here, because have a look
at what's happening in New z At the moment, the
two parties in our parliamentary system that would probably share
the greatest number of policy positions with Donald Trump and
New Zealand First and Act, and both of these parties
are polling much higher than they historically have, like considerably
(04:21):
higher than they historically have. Also, those commentators seem to
be conveniently forgetting what just happened in the UK on
Friday night, which is that the Reform part of the
party absolutely swept the local elections in a shock result.
Now Reformers led by Nigel Faraja, and I think is
probably the closest thing to Trump in the English speaking world.
So as much as the left would like to believe
(04:41):
that what happened in Australia and Canada is a Trump
eck factor that they can pin on the rest of
the right, I don't think it is. I think what's
happened is the same thing that happened during COVID, which
is that we've just seen some safe voting take place.
I think Trump and his tariff talk and the possibility
of a massive global slowdown has freaked out voters in
a similar way to how COVID freaked people out. And
(05:04):
when people freak out, it favors the incumbent, because it's
better the devil, you know, right when it comes to
protecting you. And that's why the Canadians returned their incumbent government.
It is why the Australians returned their incumbent government. Now
the same doesn't apply to the UK, where reform did
really well, because that was a local body election system,
which is about rubbish and roads. It's not central government,
(05:24):
which is about tariffs and healthcare. So I suspect that
we shouldn't over egg how much voters hate Trump as
much as understand how much he might be frightening them.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I keep forgetting elections the start off mentioning Canada and Australia,
and then of course you had Singapore, and then of course, yes,
there were all these local body elections in the UK,
and god knows what all that's about us talk, sib,
I'm going to bring it on home now we've got
a big operation to try and clean up netthews in Northland.
(05:57):
It's just everywhere apparently, and they want it to be nowhere.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
That's what you do at a university when you're young,
when you're bright, when you've got all the answers, when
you're at a peace action conference, you have the luxury
of theorizing. I would venture to suggest most of the
young people there were just like Tamotha Pool. They may
(06:21):
not have started in a world of privilege, but they've
taken the opportunities offered to them. They've worked to realize
a future for themselves, and that's a future that looks very,
very different to the lives of the same young people
in Kaikoh, the sort of people that Mane Tahee is
trying to help every single day. He knows to combat
(06:42):
the absolute evil of drugs. His people don't need to
read another thesis on colonization Hoo Order and Fenua and
Altor published in twenty nineteen, among many. He knows what
they need are not the academics, but they need the
addiction and rehab specialists. They need to keep up that
(07:07):
community involvement, that community fight against the drugs, and they
desperately desperately need police boots on the ground.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yes, it's what it is. One of those things, isn't
it that if there was just a police officer on
every street corner all the time. Yeah, you know, definitely
that would have an effect on some things. But I
don't know that all those effects would be positive. Don't
get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't try to
(07:38):
do something. It's a bit like the arguments around incarceration.
Isn't it punishment or rehabilitation or a balance of both.
This seems to be a talking point at the moment.
So why don't we hear from a murderer?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Bali?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
You had seventeen years in.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Prison, Yes, murdered a crime, a Heeneus crime. I was
sentenced to living and a half years. I ended up
doing just under eighteen. Took me that long to get out.
I'm deeply, deeply ashamed and felt a lot built around
(08:20):
what I did. But moving on from that, when I
first went to prison, there was a lot of There
was a lot of programs. I think, for me, when
people talk about rehabilitation nowadays, there's you know, people think
that they're talking about programs, do this program to that program?
I think what what I saw was when I first
(08:41):
went to prison, you were unlock freight to ten hours
a day. You had access to work, you had access
to woodshopped, engineering, farming. People could do like NCA programs
and re educate themselves. When I left, and even now
when I still write letters to people that are still
(09:03):
in there, they're locked down for twenty two to twenty
three hours a day. You can do you can you
do three quarters of your sentence locked in a room
for twenty two to twenty three hours a day, and
then in the last quarter of your sentence you go
to a program and then you get released, and people
are angry. You can't lock a person down for twenty
(09:25):
two too into three hours a day. I have been.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Why have they why have they started? You know why
they changed?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Do you think.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
The the initial the initial? The initial reasons? So every time,
every time they take something away, you never get a fact.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So I think a lot of people would have been
interested to hear from Lee there that he was sentenced
to eleven and a half years and actually didn't get
out until nearly eighteen years, and there he actually spent
longer in prison than what he was sentenced to that's
no story that gets publicize.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Every day news talk.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Has it been right? We're going to stay in prison? Actually,
Marcus wants us to have a look at Alcatraz. It's
because Trump wants us to have another look at Alcatraz.
That always comes back to Trump, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
I'll tell you one thing about Trump, right, he says
things that prompt interesting investigations. I've spent some time today
reading about Alcatraz because well, he's ordered to reopen it.
According to the articles. Some articles are saying he has
announced that Alcatraz will reopen, and some says he's ordered
(10:41):
it to reopen. Some say that probably was watching Escape
from Alcatraz on HBO last night and saw that and
thought that's an idea. But what is staggering to me
a couple of things about Alcatraz. One, how many prisoners,
not many, how many prisons Alcatraz hold it held hold
(11:02):
it anywhere between two sixty and two seventy five at
a time, So in terms of the incarcerated American population,
that would be almost next to nothing. And I don't
think it'd be one of those extremely high security presents
you'd want to put the extremely high highly dangerous people
in because it's not a it's not one of those
(11:23):
modern prisons where they send the unibomber of people, because
I've read articles about those, and they're in the middle
of nowhere and they are incredibly hard to get out of.
But Alcatraz, of course people to escape from it. I
know about this because I've watched episodes of MythBusters and
they used and made kind of rafts and dummies and
(11:45):
all sorts of stuff, And from time to time there
are articles that say they are still alive and what
happened to those people, because no one quite knows if
they got to shore or they drowned or eaten by sharks.
In fact, I know a lot about Alcatraz. Also know
about Alcatraz from the America's Cup with Peter Lester always saying, oh,
that's right, there are the lee of the winds behind Alcatraz.
(12:06):
You don't want to go there, or it might have
been the hide the lea of the tide behind Alcatraz
was also something you didn't want to go. And the
other thing that I'm frustrated about with Alcatraz is that
it's one of only two prisons in the world that
also ran a lighthouse. The other one is the prison
on Bluff Hill in Napier.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, it does make you wonder if Trump's ever actually
been to Alcatras and seen it himself. I have, And
Marcus is right, very small, ridiculous idea. There's no practical point.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
To it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Unless they're going to like the island is quite small.
Like you go over there on a ferry, you can
walk around it. It was a lovely day when we
were there, so there's nice actually, But yeah, no, that's
not it's just not practical. It's just another one of
these brain farts. Can we just stop listening to Trump?
(13:11):
Can we just stop taking any notice of them? Whenever
he comes on from now on? Can we just turn
the TV off, turn the radio off, and like you know,
any stupid bully. Sure he would get shit tired of
shouting into the wind and he would just pack up
and go away. Oh only that could happen. I am
(13:34):
glen hat I am going to pack up and go away.
But I'll be betting in this time tomorrow with another
news talk the Dancy.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Is there talking talks it Bean
Speaker 1 (13:46):
For more from news Talk, said b listen live on
air or online and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio,
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said Bee.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday and myth, myth everywhere and
more myth to.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You're doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I don't even know who you take me to, be honest,
Snort it, inject it. That's how naive I am about this.
But anyway, we're finding more and more and more disturbing
facts about it becoming more and more the drug of
choice because it's so cheap. Anyway, we'll cover that off shortly.
(01:00):
We're going to talk prison rehabilitation and whether that's actually
a thing, and we'll finish up on prison with Trump's
idea to reopen apple chairs. But before any of that,
Trump's effect on elections, you know, like in Canada, Australia, what.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You're seeing is in Singapore, Canada, Australia, the public voting
for governments that have their eyes on the right things,
and the right things. For us is to make sure
we don't take our eyes off the economic growth That's
why you hear me say growth, growth, growth, We keep
talking economics and rebuilding the economy from day one.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
That's important. A weird thing to say. Basically, the Aussies
and the Canadians simply picked the most economically credible parties
in the face of uncertain times. What those parties he's
endorsing are both from the left. That's the equivalent of
kicking his sister parties. The Aussie lives in the Canadian
Conservatives right in the shins when they're down. It made
(01:55):
no sense. I think you wanted to avoid mentioning the
Trump bump. Maybe what's actually happening here is not really
about parties. In terms of uncertainty, you don't change your horse.
Midst voters stick with what they know. When the world
is in a spin, you don't know up from down.
Human nature, for the most part is to do nothing
(02:17):
and hope it goes away. Why risk a new government
of unknown quantity. Singapore arguably just done the same. The counterfactional,
of course, is obviously America. But remember the American economy
was actually growing for the past few years, consumer spending
was strong, inflation had come down earlier than ours, So
that's a different set of circumstances as to why they
(02:38):
went for Trump. The best comparison for what's happened in
Australia and Canada in the past week is twenty twenty
New Zealand. A bunch of people really worried about a
perceived global threat, rallying around the flagpole and rejecting a
campaign that was neither well run nor nailing the public mood,
which Judith Collin's disastrous twenty twenty attempt didn't whether it
(02:59):
was trump orry reaction to him. For Luxeon to attribute
the fiscal credentials of left wing parties abroad with their
success was an unnecessary own goal.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And yeah, I mean, I guess unless he meant handing
out the those left wing parties were promised to hand
out the lollies and the conservative parties weren't. It was
very confusing. I mean, how many people went out and thought,
(03:35):
you know what Trump is nuts, I'm voting for whatever.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
He's against us.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Talk has it been?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I don't know that that many people think that they
can have an effect on Trump from their country, in Singapore,
in Australia, in Canada. Do they maybe in Canada, Heather
that doesn't think so either.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
People hate Trump so much anything that even resembles him
gets the big no. Now, I don't think that is
what's happened. That's what's happened here, because have a look
at what's happening in New z At the moment, the
two parties in our parliamentary system that would probably share
the greatest number of policy positions with Donald Trump and
New Zealand First and Act, and both of these parties
are polling much higher than they historically have, like considerably
(04:21):
higher than they historically have. Also, those commentators seem to
be conveniently forgetting what just happened in the UK on
Friday night, which is that the Reform part of the
party absolutely swept the local elections in a shock result.
Now Reformers led by Nigel Faraja, and I think is
probably the closest thing to Trump in the English speaking world.
So as much as the left would like to believe
(04:41):
that what happened in Australia and Canada is a Trump
eck factor that they can pin on the rest of
the right, I don't think it is. I think what's
happened is the same thing that happened during COVID, which
is that we've just seen some safe voting take place.
I think Trump and his tariff talk and the possibility
of a massive global slowdown has freaked out voters in
a similar way to how COVID freaked people out. And
(05:04):
when people freak out, it favors the incumbent, because it's
better the devil, you know, right when it comes to
protecting you. And that's why the Canadians returned their incumbent government.
It is why the Australians returned their incumbent government. Now
the same doesn't apply to the UK, where reform did
really well, because that was a local body election system,
which is about rubbish and roads. It's not central government,
(05:24):
which is about tariffs and healthcare. So I suspect that
we shouldn't over egg how much voters hate Trump as
much as understand how much he might be frightening them.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I keep forgetting elections the start off mentioning Canada and Australia,
and then of course you had Singapore, and then of course, yes,
there were all these local body elections in the UK,
and god knows what all that's about us talk, sib,
I'm going to bring it on home now we've got
a big operation to try and clean up netthews in Northland.
(05:57):
It's just everywhere apparently, and they want it to be nowhere.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
That's what you do at a university when you're young,
when you're bright, when you've got all the answers, when
you're at a peace action conference, you have the luxury
of theorizing. I would venture to suggest most of the
young people there were just like Tamotha Pool. They may
(06:21):
not have started in a world of privilege, but they've
taken the opportunities offered to them. They've worked to realize
a future for themselves, and that's a future that looks very,
very different to the lives of the same young people
in Kaikoh, the sort of people that Mane Tahee is
trying to help every single day. He knows to combat
(06:42):
the absolute evil of drugs. His people don't need to
read another thesis on colonization Hoo Order and Fenua and
Altor published in twenty nineteen, among many. He knows what
they need are not the academics, but they need the
addiction and rehab specialists. They need to keep up that
(07:07):
community involvement, that community fight against the drugs, and they
desperately desperately need police boots on the ground.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yes, it's what it is. One of those things, isn't
it that if there was just a police officer on
every street corner all the time. Yeah, you know, definitely
that would have an effect on some things. But I
don't know that all those effects would be positive. Don't
get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't try to
(07:38):
do something. It's a bit like the arguments around incarceration.
Isn't it punishment or rehabilitation or a balance of both.
This seems to be a talking point at the moment.
So why don't we hear from a murderer?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Bali?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
You had seventeen years in.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Prison, Yes, murdered a crime, a Heeneus crime. I was
sentenced to living and a half years. I ended up
doing just under eighteen. Took me that long to get out.
I'm deeply, deeply ashamed and felt a lot built around
(08:20):
what I did. But moving on from that, when I
first went to prison, there was a lot of There
was a lot of programs. I think, for me, when
people talk about rehabilitation nowadays, there's you know, people think
that they're talking about programs, do this program to that program?
I think what what I saw was when I first
(08:41):
went to prison, you were unlock freight to ten hours
a day. You had access to work, you had access
to woodshopped, engineering, farming. People could do like NCA programs
and re educate themselves. When I left, and even now
when I still write letters to people that are still
(09:03):
in there, they're locked down for twenty two to twenty
three hours a day. You can do you can you
do three quarters of your sentence locked in a room
for twenty two to twenty three hours a day, and
then in the last quarter of your sentence you go
to a program and then you get released, and people
are angry. You can't lock a person down for twenty
(09:25):
two too into three hours a day. I have been.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Why have they why have they started? You know why
they changed?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Do you think.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
The the initial the initial? The initial reasons? So every time,
every time they take something away, you never get a fact.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So I think a lot of people would have been
interested to hear from Lee there that he was sentenced
to eleven and a half years and actually didn't get
out until nearly eighteen years, and there he actually spent
longer in prison than what he was sentenced to that's
no story that gets publicize.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Every day news talk.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Has it been right? We're going to stay in prison? Actually,
Marcus wants us to have a look at Alcatraz. It's
because Trump wants us to have another look at Alcatraz.
That always comes back to Trump, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
I'll tell you one thing about Trump, right, he says
things that prompt interesting investigations. I've spent some time today
reading about Alcatraz because well, he's ordered to reopen it.
According to the articles. Some articles are saying he has
announced that Alcatraz will reopen, and some says he's ordered
(10:41):
it to reopen. Some say that probably was watching Escape
from Alcatraz on HBO last night and saw that and
thought that's an idea. But what is staggering to me
a couple of things about Alcatraz. One, how many prisoners,
not many, how many prisons Alcatraz hold it held hold
(11:02):
it anywhere between two sixty and two seventy five at
a time, So in terms of the incarcerated American population,
that would be almost next to nothing. And I don't
think it'd be one of those extremely high security presents
you'd want to put the extremely high highly dangerous people
in because it's not a it's not one of those
(11:23):
modern prisons where they send the unibomber of people, because
I've read articles about those, and they're in the middle
of nowhere and they are incredibly hard to get out of.
But Alcatraz, of course people to escape from it. I
know about this because I've watched episodes of MythBusters and
they used and made kind of rafts and dummies and
(11:45):
all sorts of stuff, And from time to time there
are articles that say they are still alive and what
happened to those people, because no one quite knows if
they got to shore or they drowned or eaten by sharks.
In fact, I know a lot about Alcatraz. Also know
about Alcatraz from the America's Cup with Peter Lester always saying, oh,
that's right, there are the lee of the winds behind Alcatraz.
(12:06):
You don't want to go there, or it might have
been the hide the lea of the tide behind Alcatraz
was also something you didn't want to go. And the
other thing that I'm frustrated about with Alcatraz is that
it's one of only two prisons in the world that
also ran a lighthouse. The other one is the prison
on Bluff Hill in Napier.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, it does make you wonder if Trump's ever actually
been to Alcatras and seen it himself. I have, And
Marcus is right, very small, ridiculous idea. There's no practical point.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
To it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Unless they're going to like the island is quite small.
Like you go over there on a ferry, you can
walk around it. It was a lovely day when we
were there, so there's nice actually, But yeah, no, that's
not it's just not practical. It's just another one of
these brain farts. Can we just stop listening to Trump?
(13:11):
Can we just stop taking any notice of them? Whenever
he comes on from now on? Can we just turn
the TV off, turn the radio off, and like you know,
any stupid bully. Sure he would get shit tired of
shouting into the wind and he would just pack up
and go away. Oh only that could happen. I am
(13:34):
glen hat I am going to pack up and go away.
But I'll be betting in this time tomorrow with another
news talk the Dancy.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Is there talking talks it Bean
Speaker 1 (13:46):
For more from news Talk, said b listen live on
air or online and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio,
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