May 14, 2025 • 12 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Wednesday on Newstalk ZB) Adding In a Dollop of Crazy/Chasing Down Dropkick Students/Reigniting the Flag Debate/This Whole Thing is Pants
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh my beautiful beans, and welcome to the Bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news, I am went out and we
are looking back at Wednesday chasing down the student loan defaulters.
How are we getting on with that? Marcus tries to
reignite the flag debate for some reason, and we'll try
(00:45):
and figure out how often you should wash your pants.
But before any of that, the budget is getting closer
all the time, which means it's time for some of
the opposition parties to for their two cents and parties
like labor for example.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
The economics have been up for debate recently. Net core
crown debt and this is not debatable. More than doubled
on pre COVID to one hundred and eighty two billion
dollars or forty two point six percent of GDP. Some
of this is inflation, but much of it is not.
Spending has been baked in. Couple of things to note, Yes,
government debt is low compared to other OECD countries, and
(01:24):
that's what you hear labours say, but the credit rating
agencies are telling us to get it down back to surplus,
or you risk a credit downgrade, and then you're borrowing
costs you more. We're already spending more financing debt than
we do on defense, police, corrections, justice and customs combined.
(01:45):
And remember where the shaky aisles. We've got huge exposure
to trade. We need headroom to borrow big if shite
hits the fan. Ask any economist or the person who
runs your household, and they'll tell you that borrowing for
everyday spending is a bad idea. And we're doing that
year after year after year after year. And if that's
not enough to convince you. On debt, here's the kicker,
the real doozy private debt. You know, our student lineans
(02:08):
and our mortgages one hundred and twenty percent of GDP
higher than America, Spain, Germany, Ireland and a bunch of
other countries. The worst part, we owe most of it
to foreign banks. We can't afford more debt. And yes,
Nichola Willis is still spending more, but it's less than labor.
The lesser of two evils.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
As a classic example of how I don't get any
of this stuff. I keep forgetting who we owe the
money to. We're in all this debt, and everybody seems
to be in all this debt that I don't quite
understand who's sending the boys around to collect it? You
know what I mean? I'm missing something.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
News Talk ze Bean.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Anyway, the Greens have got a sort of a counter budget,
anti budget shadow budget.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
They're going to spend the money on light rail in Auckland,
an overnight train from Wellington to Auckland, trains from Auckland
to Toadunger trains from christ Church and Eden, trains from
Auckland to Hamilton, free GPS, free nursing services, free annual
dental checkups, free basic dental care, free prescriptions, free childcare
(03:23):
from age six months, free income in the form of
a UBI for students and beneficiaries. As I say, just
the usual crazy stuff which ninety percent of US vhoters
seem to agree make them completely unfit to run the
country's books. My reaction, obviously has just been to laugh,
because you know, I was five years old too once,
(03:44):
and I also had these kinds of dreams. Labour's reaction
must be to cry because this kind of looney nonsense
has paraded a serious policy just makes it so much
harder for Labour to get back into government. I mean,
Labor will need the Greens much more than they have
in the past. Right, we are no longer dealing with
the Greens sitting at five percent, where their nutty ideas
can be ignored because they will not get as much
(04:04):
out of coalition negotiations. We are now dealing with the
Green Party consistently sitting at ten percent and above. A
Labor Green's government will be three quarters Labor, one quarter
of the Greens. And that's not even counting the other
dollop of crazy that's going to come from the Mardi Party,
Jet tax, death tax, wealth tax, crimson out on the street.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Labor must be weeping today.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
A dollop of crazy. It's not a coalition without a
dollop of crazy, is it. I mean, just ask Christopher
Luxon about some of the things that New Zealand First
try on from time to time.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Us talk side.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Now we've been talking budget and the country's finances today.
If we could just get some of these drop kick
students to pay back some of their loans that had
probably help.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
There are all sorts of arguments that have been put
up by student loan thieves over the years. We're the
best and the brightest. If you come after us where
I won't come home. We'll keep our enormous intellects overseas well.
You can't be that bloody bright if you don't understand
what a loan is, can you? It's not a gift,
It was a loan. You have to pay it back.
(05:20):
Another argument is, oh, it's all right for you. Your
generation got free university education. We had to pay for it,
but it was really the generation before that received free education.
But back then they really did only take the best
and the brightest. Numpties need not apply. Total enrollments at
all universities in New Zealand were sixteen and a half
(05:43):
thoy and nineteen sixty. Today there are one hundred and
seventy seven thousand university and students in New Zealand. I'm
quite happy to have a discussion about making UNI centers
of academic excellence and restricting access once again to only
the very best and the brightest and pay for that education. Absolutely,
(06:05):
if we reduce it down from one hundred and seventy
seven thousand, sixteen, we can afford that. Happy to have
a chat about means testing, but not until you do
what most of us managed to do, even the most
lowly qualified of us. Pay your bills and pay what
you owe.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I am responsible for a student who has a loan.
She's taking a very long time to do a degree,
and you know what that means. The loan just keeps
getting bigger. I do wonder if they should make them
(06:45):
a bit harder to get in the first place. That
should be the first part of your degree is understanding
the consequences of taking out alone. But maybe then nobody
would get any tertiary qualifications at all. Right, Marcus waded
into the flag debate last night? What flag debate? I
(07:05):
hear you ask. I think he was trying to reignite
it from ten years ago for some reason.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
It's ten years down the track. How are we feeling
about it. I'm not hearing anyone wanting to change the flag?
Did what that whole thing proved that we quite like
our old flag? Is that what it proved? I'm just
kind of curious to know where you have settled with
this ten years on, because there was a huge amount
of strong feeling about it. You do talk back. People
(07:31):
bring up and say, oh, hi, Marcus, I'm a vexsychologist.
I'm a vexillologist. I study flags, and there's all sorts
of misinformation and pomposity, and people told us how terrible
our flag was, and all these things happened, and basically, well,
a huge amount of concern, argument, opinion was passed over.
(07:56):
When I passed over, was passed forth, and people discussed
this at great length, but nothing changed. But did it change?
Did we through all that become more accepting of the
flag we've got and more at peace with it, or
do we still want another go at it? Is that?
I guess That's what I'm really angling for.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Now.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Is the time now right to say, okay, let's chuck
it in the mix. We want to give it a go.
We want something different. I'm not saying there aren't other
issues that are important or more important, but I'm saying
a decent length of time has gone a decade. Is
it time now to reconsider that? Because probably the way
to do it would come up with a really good
(08:35):
alternative and pump it and take it to the parties
and say, hey, we think this is the idea. Can
we see if this could be considered. So yeah, there
you go. It's ten years on from the flag referendum,
give or take a couple of months. Although it happened
in two tronches, two parts. What do you reckon? Are
(08:57):
you quite happy with the one you've got?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Or?
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Because I mean, the lot's changed in the last ten years,
A lot has changed. We've gone forwards, we've gone backwards,
we've gone sideways. But yeah, I'm just asking you the
state of the nation. If you are now quite content with.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It, I don't. Well, like you said, I don't think
we are. But we couldn't decide on an alternative. That
was the problem because too many of us thought that
any of the options were too stupid. It was. It
(09:36):
was quite clever. Really, it was a good way to
shut people up about it. We'll give you. Instead of
just giving people one option, they gave them several, and
of course everybody had their favorite. It's quite clever. Political
I thought, news talk has it been right? How often
should you wash your pants? Here's Matt and Tyler. Who
(09:57):
else would be talking about this?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Of course, So when I was at high school, that
was an entire term. I'd get out of the same
pair of uniform pants.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
You filthy bugger, you felthy, filthy man.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Now I reckon I probably three days.
Speaker 9 (10:10):
Thank you, Thank you, because as you can see, we're
on Wednesday now, I've worn these these pants every day
this week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Humiliating.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
What would you.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Call those tan? Tan?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Beige?
Speaker 8 (10:23):
Maybe beige.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
I'd call those a humiliating beige. She know sandy beige,
but I said humiliating. But you can see.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Yeah, thank you. But my partner may blessed her.
Speaker 9 (10:32):
She gave me a lot of stick and said I
should be washing my trousers every day, and I said
it's bad for the environment.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
She's a generation Z. How dare she say?
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Mave look love you to death. But that's why we've
got undies and socks to protect our pants.
Speaker 8 (10:46):
Thank you. I knew you'd understand.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
You clean the undies every day. Yeah, they're a protective
lap between you and your pants. It's spot on. I'll
tell you what I know that you can go them further.
Don't ever clean your pants, put them in the freezer.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
I've heard that nonsense. You're talking about the jeans. Jeans
straight in the freezer. Yeah, cause I done. That's that's
weird though.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
From them the freezer it works. You're just killing the
bacteria on All you need to do is kill the
bacteria on them, put them in the freezer on the
last forever.
Speaker 9 (11:09):
That's only for dinner though, not for the chinos. You
can't get away without cheese.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
No, a channel will snap when you pull it out.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (11:15):
Yeah, it kind of absorbs the the nastiness of a
human being.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
But then I started to put.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Them in a bag. Put them in a bag before
you put them in the freezer. They yeah, they just
put them in the freezer over night. Boom, they come
back so fresh and crisp and clean.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
I'd say I'd try that, but I'm never going to try.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
That doesn't make it. It's different wearing your pants three
days in a row, isn't it. I feel like, if
you're wearing your pants like once a week and you
do it three weeks in a row, they're probably still
good to go for another couple of weeks, aren't they.
(11:51):
Whereas if you're wearing your pants three days in a row,
you're not giving them a break. I feel a bit
sorry for Tyler's pants in some ways, because you just
not got enough pants we need to have a whip
around and give them some pants. When you know, when
Tyler's birthday is sounds like it's pants for Tyler. I
(12:14):
am a green hat I've got I think I've got
enough pens for I think I've at least at least
got five peers of pens. I can wear a different
pier of pens every day. That's how flash I am.
I'll see you back here at different pants tomorrow. When
I choose an outfit, it always starts with the pants.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Used Talking Talking Said Bean. For more from News Talk
Said b listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcast
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said Bee
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh my beautiful beans, and welcome to the Bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news, I am went out and we
are looking back at Wednesday chasing down the student loan defaulters.
How are we getting on with that? Marcus tries to
reignite the flag debate for some reason, and we'll try
(00:45):
and figure out how often you should wash your pants.
But before any of that, the budget is getting closer
all the time, which means it's time for some of
the opposition parties to for their two cents and parties
like labor for example.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
The economics have been up for debate recently. Net core
crown debt and this is not debatable. More than doubled
on pre COVID to one hundred and eighty two billion
dollars or forty two point six percent of GDP. Some
of this is inflation, but much of it is not.
Spending has been baked in. Couple of things to note, Yes,
government debt is low compared to other OECD countries, and
(01:24):
that's what you hear labours say, but the credit rating
agencies are telling us to get it down back to surplus,
or you risk a credit downgrade, and then you're borrowing
costs you more. We're already spending more financing debt than
we do on defense, police, corrections, justice and customs combined.
(01:45):
And remember where the shaky aisles. We've got huge exposure
to trade. We need headroom to borrow big if shite
hits the fan. Ask any economist or the person who
runs your household, and they'll tell you that borrowing for
everyday spending is a bad idea. And we're doing that
year after year after year after year. And if that's
not enough to convince you. On debt, here's the kicker,
the real doozy private debt. You know, our student lineans
(02:08):
and our mortgages one hundred and twenty percent of GDP
higher than America, Spain, Germany, Ireland and a bunch of
other countries. The worst part, we owe most of it
to foreign banks. We can't afford more debt. And yes,
Nichola Willis is still spending more, but it's less than labor.
The lesser of two evils.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
As a classic example of how I don't get any
of this stuff. I keep forgetting who we owe the
money to. We're in all this debt, and everybody seems
to be in all this debt that I don't quite
understand who's sending the boys around to collect it? You
know what I mean? I'm missing something.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
News Talk ze Bean.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Anyway, the Greens have got a sort of a counter budget,
anti budget shadow budget.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
They're going to spend the money on light rail in Auckland,
an overnight train from Wellington to Auckland, trains from Auckland
to Toadunger trains from christ Church and Eden, trains from
Auckland to Hamilton, free GPS, free nursing services, free annual
dental checkups, free basic dental care, free prescriptions, free childcare
(03:23):
from age six months, free income in the form of
a UBI for students and beneficiaries. As I say, just
the usual crazy stuff which ninety percent of US vhoters
seem to agree make them completely unfit to run the
country's books. My reaction, obviously has just been to laugh,
because you know, I was five years old too once,
(03:44):
and I also had these kinds of dreams. Labour's reaction
must be to cry because this kind of looney nonsense
has paraded a serious policy just makes it so much
harder for Labour to get back into government. I mean,
Labor will need the Greens much more than they have
in the past. Right, we are no longer dealing with
the Greens sitting at five percent, where their nutty ideas
can be ignored because they will not get as much
(04:04):
out of coalition negotiations. We are now dealing with the
Green Party consistently sitting at ten percent and above. A
Labor Green's government will be three quarters Labor, one quarter
of the Greens. And that's not even counting the other
dollop of crazy that's going to come from the Mardi Party,
Jet tax, death tax, wealth tax, crimson out on the street.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Labor must be weeping today.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
A dollop of crazy. It's not a coalition without a
dollop of crazy, is it. I mean, just ask Christopher
Luxon about some of the things that New Zealand First
try on from time to time.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Us talk side.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Now we've been talking budget and the country's finances today.
If we could just get some of these drop kick
students to pay back some of their loans that had
probably help.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
There are all sorts of arguments that have been put
up by student loan thieves over the years. We're the
best and the brightest. If you come after us where
I won't come home. We'll keep our enormous intellects overseas well.
You can't be that bloody bright if you don't understand
what a loan is, can you? It's not a gift,
It was a loan. You have to pay it back.
(05:20):
Another argument is, oh, it's all right for you. Your
generation got free university education. We had to pay for it,
but it was really the generation before that received free education.
But back then they really did only take the best
and the brightest. Numpties need not apply. Total enrollments at
all universities in New Zealand were sixteen and a half
(05:43):
thoy and nineteen sixty. Today there are one hundred and
seventy seven thousand university and students in New Zealand. I'm
quite happy to have a discussion about making UNI centers
of academic excellence and restricting access once again to only
the very best and the brightest and pay for that education. Absolutely,
(06:05):
if we reduce it down from one hundred and seventy
seven thousand, sixteen, we can afford that. Happy to have
a chat about means testing, but not until you do
what most of us managed to do, even the most
lowly qualified of us. Pay your bills and pay what
you owe.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I am responsible for a student who has a loan.
She's taking a very long time to do a degree,
and you know what that means. The loan just keeps
getting bigger. I do wonder if they should make them
(06:45):
a bit harder to get in the first place. That
should be the first part of your degree is understanding
the consequences of taking out alone. But maybe then nobody
would get any tertiary qualifications at all. Right, Marcus waded
into the flag debate last night? What flag debate? I
(07:05):
hear you ask. I think he was trying to reignite
it from ten years ago for some reason.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
It's ten years down the track. How are we feeling
about it. I'm not hearing anyone wanting to change the flag?
Did what that whole thing proved that we quite like
our old flag? Is that what it proved? I'm just
kind of curious to know where you have settled with
this ten years on, because there was a huge amount
of strong feeling about it. You do talk back. People
(07:31):
bring up and say, oh, hi, Marcus, I'm a vexsychologist.
I'm a vexillologist. I study flags, and there's all sorts
of misinformation and pomposity, and people told us how terrible
our flag was, and all these things happened, and basically, well,
a huge amount of concern, argument, opinion was passed over.
(07:56):
When I passed over, was passed forth, and people discussed
this at great length, but nothing changed. But did it change?
Did we through all that become more accepting of the
flag we've got and more at peace with it, or
do we still want another go at it? Is that?
I guess That's what I'm really angling for.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Now.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Is the time now right to say, okay, let's chuck
it in the mix. We want to give it a go.
We want something different. I'm not saying there aren't other
issues that are important or more important, but I'm saying
a decent length of time has gone a decade. Is
it time now to reconsider that? Because probably the way
to do it would come up with a really good
(08:35):
alternative and pump it and take it to the parties
and say, hey, we think this is the idea. Can
we see if this could be considered. So yeah, there
you go. It's ten years on from the flag referendum,
give or take a couple of months. Although it happened
in two tronches, two parts. What do you reckon? Are
(08:57):
you quite happy with the one you've got?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Or?
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Because I mean, the lot's changed in the last ten years,
A lot has changed. We've gone forwards, we've gone backwards,
we've gone sideways. But yeah, I'm just asking you the
state of the nation. If you are now quite content with.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It, I don't. Well, like you said, I don't think
we are. But we couldn't decide on an alternative. That
was the problem because too many of us thought that
any of the options were too stupid. It was. It
(09:36):
was quite clever. Really, it was a good way to
shut people up about it. We'll give you. Instead of
just giving people one option, they gave them several, and
of course everybody had their favorite. It's quite clever. Political
I thought, news talk has it been right? How often
should you wash your pants? Here's Matt and Tyler. Who
(09:57):
else would be talking about this?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Of course, So when I was at high school, that
was an entire term. I'd get out of the same
pair of uniform pants.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
You filthy bugger, you felthy, filthy man.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Now I reckon I probably three days.
Speaker 9 (10:10):
Thank you, Thank you, because as you can see, we're
on Wednesday now, I've worn these these pants every day
this week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Humiliating.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
What would you.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Call those tan? Tan?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Beige?
Speaker 8 (10:23):
Maybe beige.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
I'd call those a humiliating beige. She know sandy beige,
but I said humiliating. But you can see.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Yeah, thank you. But my partner may blessed her.
Speaker 9 (10:32):
She gave me a lot of stick and said I
should be washing my trousers every day, and I said
it's bad for the environment.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
She's a generation Z. How dare she say?
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Mave look love you to death. But that's why we've
got undies and socks to protect our pants.
Speaker 8 (10:46):
Thank you. I knew you'd understand.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
You clean the undies every day. Yeah, they're a protective
lap between you and your pants. It's spot on. I'll
tell you what I know that you can go them further.
Don't ever clean your pants, put them in the freezer.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
I've heard that nonsense. You're talking about the jeans. Jeans
straight in the freezer. Yeah, cause I done. That's that's
weird though.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
From them the freezer it works. You're just killing the
bacteria on All you need to do is kill the
bacteria on them, put them in the freezer on the
last forever.
Speaker 9 (11:09):
That's only for dinner though, not for the chinos. You
can't get away without cheese.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
No, a channel will snap when you pull it out.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (11:15):
Yeah, it kind of absorbs the the nastiness of a
human being.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
But then I started to put.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Them in a bag. Put them in a bag before
you put them in the freezer. They yeah, they just
put them in the freezer over night. Boom, they come
back so fresh and crisp and clean.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
I'd say I'd try that, but I'm never going to try.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
That doesn't make it. It's different wearing your pants three
days in a row, isn't it. I feel like, if
you're wearing your pants like once a week and you
do it three weeks in a row, they're probably still
good to go for another couple of weeks, aren't they.
(11:51):
Whereas if you're wearing your pants three days in a row,
you're not giving them a break. I feel a bit
sorry for Tyler's pants in some ways, because you just
not got enough pants we need to have a whip
around and give them some pants. When you know, when
Tyler's birthday is sounds like it's pants for Tyler. I
(12:14):
am a green hat I've got I think I've got
enough pens for I think I've at least at least
got five peers of pens. I can wear a different
pier of pens every day. That's how flash I am.
I'll see you back here at different pants tomorrow. When
I choose an outfit, it always starts with the pants.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Used Talking Talking Said Bean. For more from News Talk
Said b listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcast
on iHeartRadio
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