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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean the
Weekend Edition. First with yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart.
We are looking back. It's not just Sunday but Saturday,
because you need at least two days for a weekend.
Are we actually going to change the superannuation age or
make any other changes to it? Surely not Auckland i
(00:45):
FC bows out for a controversy around that and Black
Grace still in it after all these years. But before
any of that, So school leaders, the government really wants
them to not just leave school but get a job
or get some education.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
When they do put any emphasis back on parents to
support their kids mate also be a bit of a
non starter. Sure, taking benefit payments away from teenagers may
if parents more sway with their teen but generally I
find teens aren't always great at doing what they're told,
and when it comes to financial support. As much as
many parents are encouraging their children's independence at fifteen, they're
(01:26):
likely already supporting their kids somehow free rent, cash for
weekly expenses while studying, covering other expenses like a doctor's
visit or paying car insurance. But for many families, supporting
their children until they are twenty is unachievable. Yes, there
are some parents who can step up, and they should,
but no one wants to see parents who wire already
struggling struggle. Even more so, will this policy have a
(01:49):
meaningful impact on the nine thousand young adults who fall
into this category. We know people under the age of
twenty five on job seeker support would spend an average
of eighteen or more years on a benefit over a lifetime.
This is a good cycle to break, but doing it
this way is also at odds with how we otherwise
treat young people. At eighteen, parents no longer have the
(02:09):
rights or responsibilities that come with being a guardian. Eighteen
year olds can vote, and they're no longer treated as
a young person under criminal law. Picking and choosing when
we treat young people as adults doesn't add much clarity
or motivation. So the government's firm handed approach sounds good,
but I am not confident it's going to make a
much of a difference.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
In a hurry, yeah, I wanted to go completely the
other way, I've got a twenty one year old that
I'm trying to get to move out, and I don't
want to be supporting. Can the government come and do
something about that? Please anyone government, neighbor, just anyone news
(02:51):
talk zip bean. Then at the other end of the scale,
we've got mutterings about having to change make some changes
to superinnuation. Maybe Kiwi savor jiggle it just a little
bit to save the country some money. We've seen this
in various places around them, will putting the age retirement
age up. It's a meaningless that retirement age, isn't it.
(03:13):
I mean, apart from the fact that you do get
a little bit of money from the government at that age.
It's a litle bit strange, isn't.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
It's interesting to note that in Australia, for most workers,
the tax on employer contributions is much lower than the
tax in New Zealand. In the next few decades, Australians
are set to retire with hundreds of thousands of dollars
more than their New Zealand counterparts. I turned sixty five
and twenty seven years right. I have no expectation that
(03:40):
superannuation in its current form is going to exist exactly
as it is today by the time that I get there,
and I sort of honestly have a bit of a
kind of sense of fatalism about the whole thing. It
just feels inevitable to me that I'm going to be
paying for older generations to enjoy universal super only for
the settings to finally change once I'm on the home
(04:01):
straight to sixty five. And I do find one thing
about the government's move this week really curious. Opened the
door to means testing key WE saver those who earn
more than one hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year
won't receive the government contribution. Now, I don't personally claim
to know what the best solution is, but there are
(04:24):
going to be many working New Zealanders wondering if means
testing key WE Saber benefits is acceptable. Why shouldn't superannuation
be means testing?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Is it the name? The phrase means testing? It sounds
mean like if they changed it to kindness testing and
people be more susceptiful to it. I know it doesn't
necessarily make sense. Look, I'll work on it and I'll
get back to you talk sav In the meantime, let's
(04:55):
hear what retirement savings expert Michael Littlewood has to say
about all this.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
As raising the retirement ation necessary.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The short answer is we don't know. And when people
say it should be raised to sixty seven or SI
stat or even to seventy, as has happened recently in Norway,
they we can't make that kind of judgment because we
simply don't have good information. And this is not the
only area in which we don't have good information. And
(05:23):
you mentioned the change to KREISA that was announced in
the budget. I personally would have got rid of the
tax incentives altogether, but I think it's really no business
of the government to be involved in that kind of thing.
So going back to your question about the pension age,
and I prefer to call it the pension age rather
than the retirement age, because they are. The pension age
(05:44):
has been sixty five effectively since the old age pension began.
There were interim arrangements between sixteen and sixty five back
before nineteen seventy three, but then the age went back
to sixty when Muldoon wanted to get elected, and then
returned to sixty five a few years later. So sixty
(06:07):
five has been the effective aid. But the reason we
don't really have enough information on which to make any
kind of an informed decision is because we don't have
good information about how people transition from full time work
to full time retirement.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Imagine working until you're seventy. I know some people do.
I can't even imagine living till I'm seventy to be
fairly on us, and so therefore the thought of working
until I die just seems super depressing. Right, Let's look
at some of the weekends sports. Not the best of
(06:43):
weekends for orn FC fans. I mean, they gave it
a good go, but they were just very flat at
the beginning of the second half. And that's when the
old Melbourne victory scored a couple of quick goals and
at that point it was pretty much all over over.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Before the game heading into this one, did you see
this coming Melbourne victory with the smash and grab?
Speaker 7 (07:03):
I didn't. I didn't, But then when I saw the
demeanos of after Dinners before the game, I was a
little worried, little confirmed, because I thought he was so
confident coming with a team that hadn't scored a goal
against them, hadn't won a game against them, and he
duly delivered that plan and changed his shape, which led
(07:24):
to a lot of problems for Auckland, who couldn't really
find a way. They did have a couple of opportunities,
and obviously we'll probably talk about the disallowed goal in
a minute, but it was a pretty cagy affair and
I think it suited Victory more than it did.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
Auckland on the night.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Yeah, I don't want to talk about that this allowed goal.
But in terms of Victory's performance, where were they better
specifically than Auckland FC last night?
Speaker 8 (07:48):
I think in both boxes. I thought they defended really
well and kept Auckland to just a couple of chances,
and although they didn't create too much, they were really
efficient in front of goal. And I think it was
a really smart move by Dealers in putting in the
old campaigner in Faller only like the guy is a
special player, scored, you know, bundles of goals over the years,
(08:08):
been jumping at the bit to play this season, probably
not played as much as he would like, but he
was so hungry coming into this one, and you could
just see how animated he was after the game. He
knew how much this meant to everybody at the victory.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, so the old goal that Aukan c scored but
wasn't allowed. I mean, you didn't watch the game. This
isn't going to mean much to you. But basically one
of the players kicked the ball just inside the goal
line to another bloke who headed it in, but the
(08:41):
ball was judged that it went behind the line after
he kicked it and then came back into the I
didn't realize it was a rule in football, and I
used to riff my daughter's football games and I didn't
realize it was a rule. And I wonder people always
a shadow me so much on the sideline news talk
has it been right? But Grace probably New Zealand's most
(09:08):
acclaim and most well known contemporary dance company. We've got
a big anniversary show on and it's all about rage.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
There's lots to be enraged about at the moment. But
is it like explicit the things that you are performing about, Like,
is it obvious the kind of things that you are
enraged by.
Speaker 9 (09:28):
Yes, I think people will kind of get the themes
we're trying to work with without giving the show yeah
too much, but it's there's something that's relatable to everyone
who comes to watch.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Yeah, so justice, tell us about your role. You have
finished up at toy Facadi last year and this is
like a bit of a kind of multidisciplinary show, right,
so you're acting, you're using kind of you're dancing. There's
singing as well as Yeah, so the whole range of stuff.
Tell us about your role.
Speaker 10 (09:59):
Yeah, so this, I feel like the process is completely
new to me. In terms of the dance aspect. I've
never really been in a process where it's you know,
it's everything you expect from a high caliber dance company
such as Black Grass. You know, it's it's physical, it's challenging,
and you know it requires your very best. But yeah,
(10:22):
I think I'm just one of many artists just trying
to portray an image within the show. And yeah, that's
pretty much my role. I do obviously singing it and
perform and dancing. It sounds quite fun.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Is it like? Do you come from a big dance background?
Speaker 10 (10:44):
No? No, yeah, no not at all.
Speaker 9 (10:47):
He's being very humble here.
Speaker 10 (10:48):
No, No, no, I actually I actually don't.
Speaker 11 (10:50):
I've well, you used to like dancing as a kid, right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I grew up watching all the step ups and stuff
like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's a different thing
when you're when you're performing with Black Greyce's company Bait.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Yeah, that's a let's a step up.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I had to win. Je gets all tech technical about
dancing like that. Yeah, he's obviously just so in the know.
Don't get me wrong. I don't know anything about dance either.
I had to do a tap dance solo in a
(11:27):
musical a few years ago, and I just literally I
just taked it for the whole book. It was like
it was like trying to sing and ration, just something
that my boys also had to do once and again.
Take my way through it. I waked my way through
another one of these podcasts, I think, And are we
(11:49):
back to do it again tomorrow? Don't worry, I won't
be retiring between now and then. Unfortunately, used Talking Talks
it been
Speaker 1 (12:00):
For more from news Talk said, be listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on I on Radio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said Bee.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean the
Weekend Edition. First with yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart.
We are looking back. It's not just Sunday but Saturday,
because you need at least two days for a weekend.
Are we actually going to change the superannuation age or
make any other changes to it? Surely not Auckland i
(00:45):
FC bows out for a controversy around that and Black
Grace still in it after all these years. But before
any of that, So school leaders, the government really wants
them to not just leave school but get a job
or get some education.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
When they do put any emphasis back on parents to
support their kids mate also be a bit of a
non starter. Sure, taking benefit payments away from teenagers may
if parents more sway with their teen but generally I
find teens aren't always great at doing what they're told,
and when it comes to financial support. As much as
many parents are encouraging their children's independence at fifteen, they're
(01:26):
likely already supporting their kids somehow free rent, cash for
weekly expenses while studying, covering other expenses like a doctor's
visit or paying car insurance. But for many families, supporting
their children until they are twenty is unachievable. Yes, there
are some parents who can step up, and they should,
but no one wants to see parents who wire already
struggling struggle. Even more so, will this policy have a
(01:49):
meaningful impact on the nine thousand young adults who fall
into this category. We know people under the age of
twenty five on job seeker support would spend an average
of eighteen or more years on a benefit over a lifetime.
This is a good cycle to break, but doing it
this way is also at odds with how we otherwise
treat young people. At eighteen, parents no longer have the
(02:09):
rights or responsibilities that come with being a guardian. Eighteen
year olds can vote, and they're no longer treated as
a young person under criminal law. Picking and choosing when
we treat young people as adults doesn't add much clarity
or motivation. So the government's firm handed approach sounds good,
but I am not confident it's going to make a
much of a difference.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
In a hurry, yeah, I wanted to go completely the
other way, I've got a twenty one year old that
I'm trying to get to move out, and I don't
want to be supporting. Can the government come and do
something about that? Please anyone government, neighbor, just anyone news
(02:51):
talk zip bean. Then at the other end of the scale,
we've got mutterings about having to change make some changes
to superinnuation. Maybe Kiwi savor jiggle it just a little
bit to save the country some money. We've seen this
in various places around them, will putting the age retirement
age up. It's a meaningless that retirement age, isn't it.
(03:13):
I mean, apart from the fact that you do get
a little bit of money from the government at that age.
It's a litle bit strange, isn't.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
It's interesting to note that in Australia, for most workers,
the tax on employer contributions is much lower than the
tax in New Zealand. In the next few decades, Australians
are set to retire with hundreds of thousands of dollars
more than their New Zealand counterparts. I turned sixty five
and twenty seven years right. I have no expectation that
(03:40):
superannuation in its current form is going to exist exactly
as it is today by the time that I get there,
and I sort of honestly have a bit of a
kind of sense of fatalism about the whole thing. It
just feels inevitable to me that I'm going to be
paying for older generations to enjoy universal super only for
the settings to finally change once I'm on the home
(04:01):
straight to sixty five. And I do find one thing
about the government's move this week really curious. Opened the
door to means testing key WE saver those who earn
more than one hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year
won't receive the government contribution. Now, I don't personally claim
to know what the best solution is, but there are
(04:24):
going to be many working New Zealanders wondering if means
testing key WE Saber benefits is acceptable. Why shouldn't superannuation
be means testing?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Is it the name? The phrase means testing? It sounds
mean like if they changed it to kindness testing and
people be more susceptiful to it. I know it doesn't
necessarily make sense. Look, I'll work on it and I'll
get back to you talk sav In the meantime, let's
(04:55):
hear what retirement savings expert Michael Littlewood has to say
about all this.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
As raising the retirement ation necessary.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The short answer is we don't know. And when people
say it should be raised to sixty seven or SI
stat or even to seventy, as has happened recently in Norway,
they we can't make that kind of judgment because we
simply don't have good information. And this is not the
only area in which we don't have good information. And
(05:23):
you mentioned the change to KREISA that was announced in
the budget. I personally would have got rid of the
tax incentives altogether, but I think it's really no business
of the government to be involved in that kind of thing.
So going back to your question about the pension age,
and I prefer to call it the pension age rather
than the retirement age, because they are. The pension age
(05:44):
has been sixty five effectively since the old age pension began.
There were interim arrangements between sixteen and sixty five back
before nineteen seventy three, but then the age went back
to sixty when Muldoon wanted to get elected, and then
returned to sixty five a few years later. So sixty
(06:07):
five has been the effective aid. But the reason we
don't really have enough information on which to make any
kind of an informed decision is because we don't have
good information about how people transition from full time work
to full time retirement.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Imagine working until you're seventy. I know some people do.
I can't even imagine living till I'm seventy to be
fairly on us, and so therefore the thought of working
until I die just seems super depressing. Right, Let's look
at some of the weekends sports. Not the best of
(06:43):
weekends for orn FC fans. I mean, they gave it
a good go, but they were just very flat at
the beginning of the second half. And that's when the
old Melbourne victory scored a couple of quick goals and
at that point it was pretty much all over over.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Before the game heading into this one, did you see
this coming Melbourne victory with the smash and grab?
Speaker 7 (07:03):
I didn't. I didn't, But then when I saw the
demeanos of after Dinners before the game, I was a
little worried, little confirmed, because I thought he was so
confident coming with a team that hadn't scored a goal
against them, hadn't won a game against them, and he
duly delivered that plan and changed his shape, which led
(07:24):
to a lot of problems for Auckland, who couldn't really
find a way. They did have a couple of opportunities,
and obviously we'll probably talk about the disallowed goal in
a minute, but it was a pretty cagy affair and
I think it suited Victory more than it did.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
Auckland on the night.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Yeah, I don't want to talk about that this allowed goal.
But in terms of Victory's performance, where were they better
specifically than Auckland FC last night?
Speaker 8 (07:48):
I think in both boxes. I thought they defended really
well and kept Auckland to just a couple of chances,
and although they didn't create too much, they were really
efficient in front of goal. And I think it was
a really smart move by Dealers in putting in the
old campaigner in Faller only like the guy is a
special player, scored, you know, bundles of goals over the years,
(08:08):
been jumping at the bit to play this season, probably
not played as much as he would like, but he
was so hungry coming into this one, and you could
just see how animated he was after the game. He
knew how much this meant to everybody at the victory.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, so the old goal that Aukan c scored but
wasn't allowed. I mean, you didn't watch the game. This
isn't going to mean much to you. But basically one
of the players kicked the ball just inside the goal
line to another bloke who headed it in, but the
(08:41):
ball was judged that it went behind the line after
he kicked it and then came back into the I
didn't realize it was a rule in football, and I
used to riff my daughter's football games and I didn't
realize it was a rule. And I wonder people always
a shadow me so much on the sideline news talk
has it been right? But Grace probably New Zealand's most
(09:08):
acclaim and most well known contemporary dance company. We've got
a big anniversary show on and it's all about rage.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
There's lots to be enraged about at the moment. But
is it like explicit the things that you are performing about, Like,
is it obvious the kind of things that you are
enraged by.
Speaker 9 (09:28):
Yes, I think people will kind of get the themes
we're trying to work with without giving the show yeah
too much, but it's there's something that's relatable to everyone
who comes to watch.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Yeah, so justice, tell us about your role. You have
finished up at toy Facadi last year and this is
like a bit of a kind of multidisciplinary show, right,
so you're acting, you're using kind of you're dancing. There's
singing as well as Yeah, so the whole range of stuff.
Tell us about your role.
Speaker 10 (09:59):
Yeah, so this, I feel like the process is completely
new to me. In terms of the dance aspect. I've
never really been in a process where it's you know,
it's everything you expect from a high caliber dance company
such as Black Grass. You know, it's it's physical, it's challenging,
and you know it requires your very best. But yeah,
(10:22):
I think I'm just one of many artists just trying
to portray an image within the show. And yeah, that's
pretty much my role. I do obviously singing it and
perform and dancing. It sounds quite fun.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Is it like? Do you come from a big dance background?
Speaker 10 (10:44):
No? No, yeah, no not at all.
Speaker 9 (10:47):
He's being very humble here.
Speaker 10 (10:48):
No, No, no, I actually I actually don't.
Speaker 11 (10:50):
I've well, you used to like dancing as a kid, right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I grew up watching all the step ups and stuff
like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's a different thing
when you're when you're performing with Black Greyce's company Bait.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Yeah, that's a let's a step up.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I had to win. Je gets all tech technical about
dancing like that. Yeah, he's obviously just so in the know.
Don't get me wrong. I don't know anything about dance either.
I had to do a tap dance solo in a
(11:27):
musical a few years ago, and I just literally I
just taked it for the whole book. It was like
it was like trying to sing and ration, just something
that my boys also had to do once and again.
Take my way through it. I waked my way through
another one of these podcasts, I think, And are we
(11:49):
back to do it again tomorrow? Don't worry, I won't
be retiring between now and then. Unfortunately, used Talking Talks
it been
Speaker 1 (12:00):
For more from news Talk said, be listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on I on Radio
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