June 15, 2025 • 11 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from the weekend on Newstalk ZB) Helen Would Know/Surrendering to the Robot Apocalypse/Three Finals In a Row? Impressive/Celebrating Rather Than Commiserating/Where Would We Be Without Roger?
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said be
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean a
weekend edition.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
First with yesterday's news.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I am Glen Hart and we're looking back at Sunday
and Saturday. Because of my experience, those are the days,
the weekends are most likely to heaven.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Ai, embrace it or shun it. Super Rugby there's a
team called the.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Chiefs who are in the finals. Again interesting, more businesses
closing closing not clothing, well some of them are sort
of clothing actually, and then Allison Quigan is directing a
Roger Hall play.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
But before any of that, there's a.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What do you call it, an entourage, I'll remember the
name of it. What you call a ventas a group
off to China.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Here's Helen Clark. He knows all about dealing with China.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
What would success look like for New Zealand on this trip.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
It's a very important trip and it's good that it's happening.
When I was PM, I went to China for a
bilateral visit once every three years, so it has to
happen it's such a major trade partner, but the visit
can't just be about trade. Important as that is, it's
also a chance to talk with the most senior Chinese
leadership about how they're seeing the world, to make some
(01:43):
points about how New Zealand seeing the world, and have
an all round exchange as the country with which we
have a complex and strategic relationship.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Who drives the agenda and the conversations that had between
prime ministers and premiers.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Pretty much you get to say what you want to say.
I've sat down a number of these formal bilaterals, including
in Beijing. In essence, they will welcome you, they will
make an opening statement of some kind. The meetings with
the President and with the premiere are quite different. The
premier meeting is very much a working meeting, so he
(02:22):
will welcome and then you pretty much get to set
out your whole outline of what you want to say,
and then he will come back and he will answer
point by point.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Fascinating stuff there. Meetings and him to just do meetings
for your job. I mean, even at the highest levels will.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Sound foreign to me.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
News talk it been right.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We've seen the rise and rise of AI over the
last few years, and I think Jack's I think Jack's noticed.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
When it comes to AI, instead of trying to work
around it, I have been wondering, are we not just
better to fully embrace it and try and teach our
kids how to maximize the utility of the technology. Ultimately, though,
two points have given me reason to pause. First of all,
it occurs to me that we as humans are actually
(03:20):
not very good at foreseeing what skills will and won't
be relevant in the workplace of the future. I mean,
it was only a few years ago, right that everyone
was urging young people to drop everything and learn how
to code, and now coding jobs are among the first
ones being gobbled up by generitive artificial intelligence. And it's easy,
(03:41):
in reflecting in my tea line shorthand example, to miss
an even greater point. Yes, it's true te line skills
have not been necessary or helpful in my almost twenty
years of journalism. But what has been helpful is the
discipline that experience taught me. What has been helpful is
(04:04):
the organizational skill, is the accountability, the professionalism In learning
te line shorthand, Yep, I learned shorthand, but more importantly,
I learned how to learn and whether it's through long division,
historical essays or anything else, surely that is the skill
(04:25):
that we should aspire to educate.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
With our kids.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So yeah, I think Jack's suggesting we collaborate with the
robots there and the forthcoming, if not already happening, robot apocalypse.
I've often thought there's not much use in doing that.
I'm getting on the robots side because the thing about
robots is that they accate robots, and I don't think
(04:49):
we really think they've got a better nature to appeal to.
They'll just do what they do, and eventually, of course,
that means getting rid of us, because we are the
worst things if you ever happened to the planet. Every
post apocalyptic science fiction movies told them told us that
U's talk Sibban. Exciting weekend for a Super Rugby with
(05:10):
the finalists decided, and apparently there's a tingled the Chiefs
that's been in the how many times they made the.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Final for the third year in a row, You've got
a Grand Final to prepare for. What do you reckon?
The coaching staff and the players will be most happy about.
After last night's performance and.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Result, Yeah, I think we defended really well, last night
had to go some big beeps hits. There is very
poor to us, especially early on, and I think the
boys stood up to think to believe, so sure that
we really put out of its.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Obviously, you had a pretty intense game against the Blues
last weekend. Was it equally intense out there last night?
Did you feel like it ramped up you know the
rugby during during finals football.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
Yeah, it's really really physical. Obviously, boys a lot harder.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
So yeah, that's just what you can expect at less
with the final footage, it's good.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
But they scored just after halftime that made it nineteen
seventeen to you. But then a burst of eighteen unanswered
points in eighteen minutes from the Chiefs. What do you
think was behind that little period of play which basically
won you the game?
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Had almost last night put us in the right here
in the build and obviously was really good off the team.
So he's definitely definitely was probably a big reason why
that was the case.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So yeah, Daniel Rona the chief.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
As a chief supporter, in some ways, I'm quite pleased
that they lost that first semi final, no quarter final
thing against the Blues the previous week it's a good
time to lose when you still get another chance. Much
be the losing then than this weekend that's just gone,
or the coming weekend, which I'm sure we won't. Beating
(07:15):
the crusaders twice already this year, I can't see why
we can't beat them again. Right, So we've had a
few more business closures. I mean, there are always business closures,
aren't there. Some of these businesses have been around for
a long time, and we don't make hoseary in New
Zealand anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I know, gutting, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (07:34):
While today should be a day of appreciation and fond memories,
retailers can't actually afford to be quite so nostalgic. There
are lessons to be learned here about moving with the times,
adapting to competition and less exclusiveivity, and retaining customers. And
remember this.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Looking fine dancing dancing the cane.
Speaker 10 (08:04):
If you remember the eighties, you will remember this jingle.
I'm sure it sounds so many a columbine of family business.
And the last hosary manufacturer in New Zealand is going
to shut its doors and forty five jobs are going
to go once again. Reality Bites have written statement from
the company said the decision was driven by a combination
of declining sales and increased operational costs, which made it
(08:25):
unsustainable to continue manufacturing and Gisbon. Interestingly, recently released data
compiled ber Informentris was looking at the types of jobs
which have disappeared over the last twenty five years. And
if you look at jobs in manufacturing such as sewing
machinists or footwel production machine operator, hidened skin processing machine operator,
netting machine operators, textile dying and finishing machine operators and others,
(08:50):
employment has fallen from fourteen, four hundred and seventy two
to five thousand, six hundred and eight since two thousand. Now,
this isn't just because companies have closed, but because technology
has taken over. It's a reminder that change and challenge
are constant in most sectors. So surviving as a manufacturer
in New Zealand for seventy five years is nothing to
(09:11):
scoff at. It's actually very impressive and quite something. Really,
both companies should be proud of their legacies.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You know, Hosary, it's not just stockings and penny hoses.
It do they do socks as well?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I feel like you know the socks that don't have
any scenes across the toes?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I'll just make completely making this up, aren't I? Can
you even get socks that don't have scenes across the toes?
You're like, I've had something, but maybe I imagined.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It used talk Ze been crazy podcasts.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
You just never know what's going to happen. You could
have yet.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Another Roger Hall play for people to direct and talk about.
Here is the director Alison Quigan.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Tell us about End of Summertime.
Speaker 11 (09:58):
End of Summertime is a play by Roger Hall, which
is part of a trilogy that he wrote. The first
one was called Come On Black, and then it was
You've got to be Joking. And Dicky Hart is the
main it's the only character in it. Actually that's not true.
There are many, many characters, and our wonderful actor Andy
Granger is playing all of the characters right. And so
this particular time and Dicky Hart has gone from being
(10:20):
a great farmer in Taranaki and then he goes to Wellington,
goes from the farm to the city and now his
wife Glinda has says, right where off to Auckland, the
place he doesn't want to live in any time of
his life. Auckland is full of all these people. Now
all they talk about is money. The traffic is terrible,
all of those things. And so he arrives curmudgeonly and
(10:42):
through the play he falls in love with Auckland. Wow, Okay,
to me, that's the wonderful thing about Auckland is Auckland.
People are terrible at selling their own city.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
This is true.
Speaker 11 (10:53):
And so when they arrived they say, oh, sir about
that with the traffic, I'm awful for you. But actually,
when I arrived here after several times of coming to
live here, and I came with my family to do
Shortland Street in two thousand and four, people said you'll
hate it, And when I ved here, we loved it
the first weekend.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It's amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
All these that Roger Hall plays? So what did we
do before Roger Hall came along? People just went to
the theater and there was nothing happening no place. Yet
it's like the Minister of plays. Good on him, and
good on you for listening, and got on you for
(11:31):
coming back for another round tomorrow. See then us talking talking,
said been.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
For more from news Talk, said b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean a
weekend edition.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
First with yesterday's news.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I am Glen Hart and we're looking back at Sunday
and Saturday. Because of my experience, those are the days,
the weekends are most likely to heaven.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Ai, embrace it or shun it. Super Rugby there's a
team called the.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Chiefs who are in the finals. Again interesting, more businesses
closing closing not clothing, well some of them are sort
of clothing actually, and then Allison Quigan is directing a
Roger Hall play.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
But before any of that, there's a.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What do you call it, an entourage, I'll remember the
name of it. What you call a ventas a group
off to China.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Here's Helen Clark. He knows all about dealing with China.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
What would success look like for New Zealand on this trip.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
It's a very important trip and it's good that it's happening.
When I was PM, I went to China for a
bilateral visit once every three years, so it has to
happen it's such a major trade partner, but the visit
can't just be about trade. Important as that is, it's
also a chance to talk with the most senior Chinese
leadership about how they're seeing the world, to make some
(01:43):
points about how New Zealand seeing the world, and have
an all round exchange as the country with which we
have a complex and strategic relationship.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Who drives the agenda and the conversations that had between
prime ministers and premiers.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Pretty much you get to say what you want to say.
I've sat down a number of these formal bilaterals, including
in Beijing. In essence, they will welcome you, they will
make an opening statement of some kind. The meetings with
the President and with the premiere are quite different. The
premier meeting is very much a working meeting, so he
(02:22):
will welcome and then you pretty much get to set
out your whole outline of what you want to say,
and then he will come back and he will answer
point by point.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Fascinating stuff there. Meetings and him to just do meetings
for your job. I mean, even at the highest levels will.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Sound foreign to me.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
News talk it been right.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We've seen the rise and rise of AI over the
last few years, and I think Jack's I think Jack's noticed.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
When it comes to AI, instead of trying to work
around it, I have been wondering, are we not just
better to fully embrace it and try and teach our
kids how to maximize the utility of the technology. Ultimately, though,
two points have given me reason to pause. First of all,
it occurs to me that we as humans are actually
(03:20):
not very good at foreseeing what skills will and won't
be relevant in the workplace of the future. I mean,
it was only a few years ago, right that everyone
was urging young people to drop everything and learn how
to code, and now coding jobs are among the first
ones being gobbled up by generitive artificial intelligence. And it's easy,
(03:41):
in reflecting in my tea line shorthand example, to miss
an even greater point. Yes, it's true te line skills
have not been necessary or helpful in my almost twenty
years of journalism. But what has been helpful is the
discipline that experience taught me. What has been helpful is
(04:04):
the organizational skill, is the accountability, the professionalism In learning
te line shorthand, Yep, I learned shorthand, but more importantly,
I learned how to learn and whether it's through long division,
historical essays or anything else, surely that is the skill
(04:25):
that we should aspire to educate.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
With our kids.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So yeah, I think Jack's suggesting we collaborate with the
robots there and the forthcoming, if not already happening, robot apocalypse.
I've often thought there's not much use in doing that.
I'm getting on the robots side because the thing about
robots is that they accate robots, and I don't think
(04:49):
we really think they've got a better nature to appeal to.
They'll just do what they do, and eventually, of course,
that means getting rid of us, because we are the
worst things if you ever happened to the planet. Every
post apocalyptic science fiction movies told them told us that
U's talk Sibban. Exciting weekend for a Super Rugby with
(05:10):
the finalists decided, and apparently there's a tingled the Chiefs
that's been in the how many times they made the.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Final for the third year in a row, You've got
a Grand Final to prepare for. What do you reckon?
The coaching staff and the players will be most happy about.
After last night's performance and.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Result, Yeah, I think we defended really well, last night
had to go some big beeps hits. There is very
poor to us, especially early on, and I think the
boys stood up to think to believe, so sure that
we really put out of its.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Obviously, you had a pretty intense game against the Blues
last weekend. Was it equally intense out there last night?
Did you feel like it ramped up you know the
rugby during during finals football.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
Yeah, it's really really physical. Obviously, boys a lot harder.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
So yeah, that's just what you can expect at less
with the final footage, it's good.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
But they scored just after halftime that made it nineteen
seventeen to you. But then a burst of eighteen unanswered
points in eighteen minutes from the Chiefs. What do you
think was behind that little period of play which basically
won you the game?
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Had almost last night put us in the right here
in the build and obviously was really good off the team.
So he's definitely definitely was probably a big reason why
that was the case.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So yeah, Daniel Rona the chief.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
As a chief supporter, in some ways, I'm quite pleased
that they lost that first semi final, no quarter final
thing against the Blues the previous week it's a good
time to lose when you still get another chance. Much
be the losing then than this weekend that's just gone,
or the coming weekend, which I'm sure we won't. Beating
(07:15):
the crusaders twice already this year, I can't see why
we can't beat them again. Right, So we've had a
few more business closures. I mean, there are always business closures,
aren't there. Some of these businesses have been around for
a long time, and we don't make hoseary in New
Zealand anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I know, gutting, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (07:34):
While today should be a day of appreciation and fond memories,
retailers can't actually afford to be quite so nostalgic. There
are lessons to be learned here about moving with the times,
adapting to competition and less exclusiveivity, and retaining customers. And
remember this.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Looking fine dancing dancing the cane.
Speaker 10 (08:04):
If you remember the eighties, you will remember this jingle.
I'm sure it sounds so many a columbine of family business.
And the last hosary manufacturer in New Zealand is going
to shut its doors and forty five jobs are going
to go once again. Reality Bites have written statement from
the company said the decision was driven by a combination
of declining sales and increased operational costs, which made it
(08:25):
unsustainable to continue manufacturing and Gisbon. Interestingly, recently released data
compiled ber Informentris was looking at the types of jobs
which have disappeared over the last twenty five years. And
if you look at jobs in manufacturing such as sewing
machinists or footwel production machine operator, hidened skin processing machine operator,
netting machine operators, textile dying and finishing machine operators and others,
(08:50):
employment has fallen from fourteen, four hundred and seventy two
to five thousand, six hundred and eight since two thousand. Now,
this isn't just because companies have closed, but because technology
has taken over. It's a reminder that change and challenge
are constant in most sectors. So surviving as a manufacturer
in New Zealand for seventy five years is nothing to
(09:11):
scoff at. It's actually very impressive and quite something. Really,
both companies should be proud of their legacies.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You know, Hosary, it's not just stockings and penny hoses.
It do they do socks as well?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I feel like you know the socks that don't have
any scenes across the toes?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I'll just make completely making this up, aren't I? Can
you even get socks that don't have scenes across the toes?
You're like, I've had something, but maybe I imagined.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It used talk Ze been crazy podcasts.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
You just never know what's going to happen. You could
have yet.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Another Roger Hall play for people to direct and talk about.
Here is the director Alison Quigan.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Tell us about End of Summertime.
Speaker 11 (09:58):
End of Summertime is a play by Roger Hall, which
is part of a trilogy that he wrote. The first
one was called Come On Black, and then it was
You've got to be Joking. And Dicky Hart is the
main it's the only character in it. Actually that's not true.
There are many, many characters, and our wonderful actor Andy
Granger is playing all of the characters right. And so
this particular time and Dicky Hart has gone from being
(10:20):
a great farmer in Taranaki and then he goes to Wellington,
goes from the farm to the city and now his
wife Glinda has says, right where off to Auckland, the
place he doesn't want to live in any time of
his life. Auckland is full of all these people. Now
all they talk about is money. The traffic is terrible,
all of those things. And so he arrives curmudgeonly and
(10:42):
through the play he falls in love with Auckland. Wow, Okay,
to me, that's the wonderful thing about Auckland is Auckland.
People are terrible at selling their own city.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
This is true.
Speaker 11 (10:53):
And so when they arrived they say, oh, sir about
that with the traffic, I'm awful for you. But actually,
when I arrived here after several times of coming to
live here, and I came with my family to do
Shortland Street in two thousand and four, people said you'll
hate it, And when I ved here, we loved it
the first weekend.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It's amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
All these that Roger Hall plays? So what did we
do before Roger Hall came along? People just went to
the theater and there was nothing happening no place. Yet
it's like the Minister of plays. Good on him, and
good on you for listening, and got on you for
(11:31):
coming back for another round tomorrow. See then us talking talking,
said been.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
For more from news Talk, said b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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