June 16, 2025 • 13 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Monday on Newstalk ZB) But Are You Really?/Solving All the Problems/Where National Has Gone Wrong/I Don't Want Your Job, Just Your Money/Taking the Plunge
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I'm Glen Hart and we're looking
back at Monday. The PM's off to China, so it's
going to be fun times. It sounds sounds like a
long trip to get there. He's going to go via Dieke,
(00:44):
Darwin and Manila. Anyway, he'll get there eventually, hopefully. But
he hasn't cut that many jobs in the public service,
not as many as some people wanted. Any Marcus Hays
some midwinter swim advice for us, but before any of that, Sickly,
I think that's going to be top of the agenda
this week. By the sounds of things, we're sick of
(01:05):
sick leave and by where people who own businesses and
have to pay people for it.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Would you be able to cope with ten days allowance
every year if people only took the days when they
were sick or will it take this government through act
repealing the legislation and going back to five days in
pro ratering Sickly of entitlement, So what is common sense,
(01:39):
what is reasonable, and what is fair. Everybody says that
if you have a virus, be it a head cold,
be at the flu, be it the COVID version of
the flu, which is still around. I think Mike was
incorrect when he said it's gone, still there, but it's
just another virus. Now as five days reasonable to get
(02:06):
you up and back on your feet. You're not infectious,
you're not going to spread it around you, yourself have recovered.
You've got to go ten days seems impossibly long. I
don't think anybody could stay ten days in bed unless
they had company, be very dull, with just a box
of tissues in you and your limbs up.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It is weird. It's one of those things. There are
two types of people in the world. There are people
who only take sickly when they're actually sick, and then
there are other people that think that it is an entitlement.
And I don't know if you can ever whatever you
do to.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Fix that news talk has it been.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I was with some friends in the week and you
never know which kind of person a person's going to be.
I was with some friends in the weekend and one
of them had just taken a mental health day unquote.
And I've never taken a mental health now. I don't think,
and I don't really I guess I don't really have
a problem with it. But I think your employer should
(03:12):
be entitled to ask for a medical certificate for the
mental health day, just like they can for any other
kind of health day. Meantilely have a no sick days
were all on our showing you've been here every day.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
I've been very impressed.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Even some days when I was away sick. I'd listen
and feel at a little bit guilty. Yeah, take note, Jason, Well,
what's your secret? Apples, pears oranges? Just coming in and
spreading my illness around the room. Good, mine's unhealthy living.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
The more crap I eat this, you know, the stronger
I become.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I mean.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
The thing I'm hoping you guys would say that, I
mean the thing is I mean, you're sitting on a
chair talking to a microphone.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Now you know it's not it's not exactly.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
A microphone that a bunch of other people's mouth has
been right.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Next to you. Yeah, exactly. Mike keeps this place clean
as well, so it helps.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
No, you're safer in here than you are, a lot
of gas lighting goes on around us as well. Of course,
there are people who tell you that they've never had
a day off sick, when you can specifically remember them
not being there on various occasions. And then they'll say, oh,
(04:17):
well that was different because that was an emergency, or
you know that was an accident, or you know. I
can never claim that, of course, because I have busted
up for both my shoulders on two separate occasions, and
that involved me taking an incredibly long time off with
(04:37):
very difficult to push the buttons here if your arm
doesn't work, and then you're getting into not just sickly
but acc and all that drama. I've pushed that down.
I've repressed that. Let's not talk about it. Let's move on, right.
So the Prime Minister is off to China.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Why China continues buying all from Russia and tacitly keeping
its war in Europe alive. The US continues supporting Israel,
keeping its wars in Gaza and on Iran alive. China
and the US themselves are doing direct battle of a
different kind on trade. We've got politically motivated assassinations in
(05:22):
America Marines and National Guard troops on the streets of
Los Angeles. All this as the global economy splutters along
under the weight of it all. And I haven't even
mentioned Pakistan and India. Thank god they sorted their stuff
out a couple of weeks ago. As lux And prepares
to meet with Shujinping and then attend a NATO leaders
meeting in the Netherlands, the big question is not what
(05:44):
to do, but where to start. New Zealand's influence in
all of this is, of course limited.
Speaker 8 (05:51):
Most of these conflicts date back further than the birth
of our nation. We rely on the United Nations, whose
P five veto power renders it about as useful as
an ashtray on a motorbike, utterly useless. This is not
the first time the world has faced a collision of
crises involving wars backed by competing global superpowers. While diplomacy
(06:16):
has failed to prevent them thus far, history tells us
it's also the best and only way to eventually solve them.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Imagine if lax And visit to China and then NATO.
Imagine if he does solve it all, but he just
he manages to head on just the right, the diplomatic
(06:46):
buttons that everybody goes, Oh, I hadn't thought of that.
All right, we'll call it off. Let's all just get together, group,
hag it out. You know. He says, Look, guys, this
is a freaking mess. This is what he'd say. He
loves the word fricking. Sort it out. Let's scrape the
barnacles of this. And they're going, yeah, yeah, great point,
(07:11):
good idea.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You scoll seve.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yes, as you can tell. I'm being I'm fulfilling my
role as being the cynical guy at news doorks he'd be.
I think here there is dangerously close and to venturing
into my sort of area of expertise.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Have a listen to this for me. You've only cut
two thousand people for all that noise of you hoeing
through the public service. You've lost two thousand people out
of sixty four thousand.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, were you doing a couple of things there.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
One is, if the tread had continued, you'd have eight
thousand more.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
So we've actually stopped that.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
That right there is part of the reason why this
government is polling so poorly, because it's all talk, isn't it? Bugger?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
All action?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Now?
Speaker 6 (07:53):
I'm sorry, I realized this is a lot to start
the week with. Like we're starting strident. I don't mean
to continue like that. But were you as surprised as
I was to hear that we've only cut two thousand
public servants? And we even more surprised that the Prime
minister's explanation is known more than a verbal shrug. This,
I think will be profoundly disappointing to a lot of
people who expected this government to get public spending under control,
(08:17):
and cutting public servants is part of getting that spending
under control. There is no reason why we have as
many public servants as we have today, sixty three thousand.
There is no reason why we have more than double
the thirty thousand public servants that we had in two
thousand and one. Our population hasn't doubled since two thousand
and one, it's gone up about thirty seven percent. If
(08:38):
you were just accordingly, then we should have forty one
thousand public servants, not sixty three thousand public servants. Now,
I would have expected that the Prime Minister would have
a better explanation than simply saying, at least it's not
as bad as labor. Well maybe so, but I hoped
for better. I hoped for a government that was going
to actually turn this around, certainly more than a government
(09:00):
that just feels like it's actually labor dressed in blue clothing.
And isn't this just the latest example of talk from
this government that is not being matched by action. They
promised to cut spending. Every year they spend more than
Grant robertson. They promise to get on top of debt.
Every year they add more to the debt. They promise
to stop the race based policies. Oh, we just keep
(09:21):
finding them. They keep waving them through unless we bust
them at it. I think this in part answers the
question that we were asking last week, which is why
is it that three polls in a row was so
tight that it wasn't actually clear if this government would
win an election if an election was held today. This
is why they're not brave enough. They should be braver.
In fact, if they were braver, they might be more popular.
It's worth remembering that for all the hard decisions that
(09:43):
was taken by the Fourth Labor Government, which is definitely
the most transformational that we can think of, right, for
all those tough decisions taken in the first three years.
They actually came back with a bigger majority in nineteen
eighty seven. So maybe you get rewarded for doing what
you'll say you'll do, tough as it may be, rather
than just talking tough and then doing very little.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
You know what, I don't care how many people work
for the public servant, but I do want them to
save money and make it work better. I'm actually not
calling for people's heads and for people to be sacked. Unfortunately,
(10:24):
it is pretty unclear what's some of those people.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You all day news talk? Has it been?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I'm the last one you should be talking about that.
What the hell do I do all day? Don't tell anyone?
At least I'm not calling in sick. We're going to
finish up here going on a midwinter swim because guess what,
it's midwinter and.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
The old polar plunge a have been done over the years.
I've done a number of midwinter swims myself. The good
thing about the midwinter swimming in vert Cargo, all right,
is that you could go to Ariti Beach for radio promotion.
But what you could do is because you can drive
right onto the beach, one of the few beaches you
(11:06):
can drive onto and you drive your car. If i'm
would drive the car into the beach and then you
would crank the heater up to full and totally hot
inside the car. You go do your polar dip straight
(11:26):
back in the car, cozy ass, then get your sausage.
So not as brutal as a lot of those ones.
We actually got to then walk back to the car.
But if the car was right there, fantastic. Probably the
best place in the country of a polar plunge, I'd
say would be Audit a safe beach to swim at too.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, okay, help thinking that the the temperature of the
water down there compared to the temperature of the water
up around Auckland and Bunga Fera where I live slightly different.
I'm just trying to think if I've done one or
(12:03):
two midwinter swims, surely only one, because I feel like
a bowed and declared I would never do it again. Really,
the only reason I did it in the first place
is because domestic manager was organizing it. She once had
a job which part of the job was organizing a
midwinter swim, and then eventually she didn't have to do
(12:25):
that anymore because it became too hard to organize an
event like that. There were too many rules and regulations,
and you had to get too many cones and have
too many safety marshals and too many portaloos, and do
you know what I'm talking about. That's probably the hardest
(12:48):
part actually about a midwinter swim is getting the permission
from the council and the other various authorities to do it.
I don't mind watching one, though. I am I mean hard,
warm and cozy here in the Newstalk's Abby studio, and
(13:12):
I'll be back with you again tomorrow. I think it
will still be the middle of winter, unfortunately. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
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Speaker 1 (13:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news. I'm Glen Hart and we're looking
back at Monday. The PM's off to China, so it's
going to be fun times. It sounds sounds like a
long trip to get there. He's going to go via Dieke,
(00:44):
Darwin and Manila. Anyway, he'll get there eventually, hopefully. But
he hasn't cut that many jobs in the public service,
not as many as some people wanted. Any Marcus Hays
some midwinter swim advice for us, but before any of that, Sickly,
I think that's going to be top of the agenda
this week. By the sounds of things, we're sick of
(01:05):
sick leave and by where people who own businesses and
have to pay people for it.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Would you be able to cope with ten days allowance
every year if people only took the days when they
were sick or will it take this government through act
repealing the legislation and going back to five days in
pro ratering Sickly of entitlement, So what is common sense,
(01:39):
what is reasonable, and what is fair. Everybody says that
if you have a virus, be it a head cold,
be at the flu, be it the COVID version of
the flu, which is still around. I think Mike was
incorrect when he said it's gone, still there, but it's
just another virus. Now as five days reasonable to get
(02:06):
you up and back on your feet. You're not infectious,
you're not going to spread it around you, yourself have recovered.
You've got to go ten days seems impossibly long. I
don't think anybody could stay ten days in bed unless
they had company, be very dull, with just a box
of tissues in you and your limbs up.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It is weird. It's one of those things. There are
two types of people in the world. There are people
who only take sickly when they're actually sick, and then
there are other people that think that it is an entitlement.
And I don't know if you can ever whatever you
do to.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Fix that news talk has it been.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I was with some friends in the week and you
never know which kind of person a person's going to be.
I was with some friends in the weekend and one
of them had just taken a mental health day unquote.
And I've never taken a mental health now. I don't think,
and I don't really I guess I don't really have
a problem with it. But I think your employer should
(03:12):
be entitled to ask for a medical certificate for the
mental health day, just like they can for any other
kind of health day. Meantilely have a no sick days
were all on our showing you've been here every day.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
I've been very impressed.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Even some days when I was away sick. I'd listen
and feel at a little bit guilty. Yeah, take note, Jason, Well,
what's your secret? Apples, pears oranges? Just coming in and
spreading my illness around the room. Good, mine's unhealthy living.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
The more crap I eat this, you know, the stronger
I become.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I mean.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
The thing I'm hoping you guys would say that, I
mean the thing is I mean, you're sitting on a
chair talking to a microphone.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Now you know it's not it's not exactly.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
A microphone that a bunch of other people's mouth has
been right.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Next to you. Yeah, exactly. Mike keeps this place clean
as well, so it helps.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
No, you're safer in here than you are, a lot
of gas lighting goes on around us as well. Of course,
there are people who tell you that they've never had
a day off sick, when you can specifically remember them
not being there on various occasions. And then they'll say, oh,
(04:17):
well that was different because that was an emergency, or
you know that was an accident, or you know. I
can never claim that, of course, because I have busted
up for both my shoulders on two separate occasions, and
that involved me taking an incredibly long time off with
(04:37):
very difficult to push the buttons here if your arm
doesn't work, and then you're getting into not just sickly
but acc and all that drama. I've pushed that down.
I've repressed that. Let's not talk about it. Let's move on, right.
So the Prime Minister is off to China.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Why China continues buying all from Russia and tacitly keeping
its war in Europe alive. The US continues supporting Israel,
keeping its wars in Gaza and on Iran alive. China
and the US themselves are doing direct battle of a
different kind on trade. We've got politically motivated assassinations in
(05:22):
America Marines and National Guard troops on the streets of
Los Angeles. All this as the global economy splutters along
under the weight of it all. And I haven't even
mentioned Pakistan and India. Thank god they sorted their stuff
out a couple of weeks ago. As lux And prepares
to meet with Shujinping and then attend a NATO leaders
meeting in the Netherlands, the big question is not what
(05:44):
to do, but where to start. New Zealand's influence in
all of this is, of course limited.
Speaker 8 (05:51):
Most of these conflicts date back further than the birth
of our nation. We rely on the United Nations, whose
P five veto power renders it about as useful as
an ashtray on a motorbike, utterly useless. This is not
the first time the world has faced a collision of
crises involving wars backed by competing global superpowers. While diplomacy
(06:16):
has failed to prevent them thus far, history tells us
it's also the best and only way to eventually solve them.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Imagine if lax And visit to China and then NATO.
Imagine if he does solve it all, but he just
he manages to head on just the right, the diplomatic
(06:46):
buttons that everybody goes, Oh, I hadn't thought of that.
All right, we'll call it off. Let's all just get together, group,
hag it out. You know. He says, Look, guys, this
is a freaking mess. This is what he'd say. He
loves the word fricking. Sort it out. Let's scrape the
barnacles of this. And they're going, yeah, yeah, great point,
(07:11):
good idea.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You scoll seve.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yes, as you can tell. I'm being I'm fulfilling my
role as being the cynical guy at news doorks he'd be.
I think here there is dangerously close and to venturing
into my sort of area of expertise.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Have a listen to this for me. You've only cut
two thousand people for all that noise of you hoeing
through the public service. You've lost two thousand people out
of sixty four thousand.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, were you doing a couple of things there.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
One is, if the tread had continued, you'd have eight
thousand more.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
So we've actually stopped that.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
That right there is part of the reason why this
government is polling so poorly, because it's all talk, isn't it? Bugger?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
All action?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Now?
Speaker 6 (07:53):
I'm sorry, I realized this is a lot to start
the week with. Like we're starting strident. I don't mean
to continue like that. But were you as surprised as
I was to hear that we've only cut two thousand
public servants? And we even more surprised that the Prime
minister's explanation is known more than a verbal shrug. This,
I think will be profoundly disappointing to a lot of
people who expected this government to get public spending under control,
(08:17):
and cutting public servants is part of getting that spending
under control. There is no reason why we have as
many public servants as we have today, sixty three thousand.
There is no reason why we have more than double
the thirty thousand public servants that we had in two
thousand and one. Our population hasn't doubled since two thousand
and one, it's gone up about thirty seven percent. If
(08:38):
you were just accordingly, then we should have forty one
thousand public servants, not sixty three thousand public servants. Now,
I would have expected that the Prime Minister would have
a better explanation than simply saying, at least it's not
as bad as labor. Well maybe so, but I hoped
for better. I hoped for a government that was going
to actually turn this around, certainly more than a government
(09:00):
that just feels like it's actually labor dressed in blue clothing.
And isn't this just the latest example of talk from
this government that is not being matched by action. They
promised to cut spending. Every year they spend more than
Grant robertson. They promise to get on top of debt.
Every year they add more to the debt. They promise
to stop the race based policies. Oh, we just keep
(09:21):
finding them. They keep waving them through unless we bust
them at it. I think this in part answers the
question that we were asking last week, which is why
is it that three polls in a row was so
tight that it wasn't actually clear if this government would
win an election if an election was held today. This
is why they're not brave enough. They should be braver.
In fact, if they were braver, they might be more popular.
It's worth remembering that for all the hard decisions that
(09:43):
was taken by the Fourth Labor Government, which is definitely
the most transformational that we can think of, right, for
all those tough decisions taken in the first three years.
They actually came back with a bigger majority in nineteen
eighty seven. So maybe you get rewarded for doing what
you'll say you'll do, tough as it may be, rather
than just talking tough and then doing very little.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
You know what, I don't care how many people work
for the public servant, but I do want them to
save money and make it work better. I'm actually not
calling for people's heads and for people to be sacked. Unfortunately,
(10:24):
it is pretty unclear what's some of those people.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You all day news talk? Has it been?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I'm the last one you should be talking about that.
What the hell do I do all day? Don't tell anyone?
At least I'm not calling in sick. We're going to
finish up here going on a midwinter swim because guess what,
it's midwinter and.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
The old polar plunge a have been done over the years.
I've done a number of midwinter swims myself. The good
thing about the midwinter swimming in vert Cargo, all right,
is that you could go to Ariti Beach for radio promotion.
But what you could do is because you can drive
right onto the beach, one of the few beaches you
(11:06):
can drive onto and you drive your car. If i'm
would drive the car into the beach and then you
would crank the heater up to full and totally hot
inside the car. You go do your polar dip straight
(11:26):
back in the car, cozy ass, then get your sausage.
So not as brutal as a lot of those ones.
We actually got to then walk back to the car.
But if the car was right there, fantastic. Probably the
best place in the country of a polar plunge, I'd
say would be Audit a safe beach to swim at too.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, okay, help thinking that the the temperature of the
water down there compared to the temperature of the water
up around Auckland and Bunga Fera where I live slightly different.
I'm just trying to think if I've done one or
(12:03):
two midwinter swims, surely only one, because I feel like
a bowed and declared I would never do it again. Really,
the only reason I did it in the first place
is because domestic manager was organizing it. She once had
a job which part of the job was organizing a
midwinter swim, and then eventually she didn't have to do
(12:25):
that anymore because it became too hard to organize an
event like that. There were too many rules and regulations,
and you had to get too many cones and have
too many safety marshals and too many portaloos, and do
you know what I'm talking about. That's probably the hardest
(12:48):
part actually about a midwinter swim is getting the permission
from the council and the other various authorities to do it.
I don't mind watching one, though. I am I mean hard,
warm and cozy here in the Newstalk's Abby studio, and
(13:12):
I'll be back with you again tomorrow. I think it
will still be the middle of winter, unfortunately. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
News Talking Talking z it Bean.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
For more from News Talk zed B listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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