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FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Wednesday on Newstalk ZB) And Labour Isn't Invited/Why Juries Are Flawed/Way Too Much Slash/You Can't Fight AI/How To Shut Kyle Up
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday. The problem with jury trials,
especially in sexual assault cases. That sounds fun talk about that,
doesn't it slash? Not the guns n' roses guitarists, but
(00:49):
the rubbish that's left behind from forestry. This is a
problem again because of course the weather's got a bit
of the again, because you know winter, is it all
right to have Ai written books in your library and
all about dumb buttons to the most mythical, legendary dumb button,
(01:13):
how it works.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But before any of that.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Justice policy, the government's going hard on a few things
and it's starting to make labor look pretty wishy washy.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
The facts are as follows, Crime went nuts. Labour's policy
reduce prison population, which is what makes this such a
hard slog, A hard week for labor, not the Greens
into party Maori who sing from a very different songsheet
on law and audibit for Hapkins How do you credibly
stand up and argue against longer sentences for thugs who
(01:46):
bash first responders? How do you oppose getting tough on
coward punches. How do you oppose fines for people stealing
cuts of meat or booze from the supermarket while the
rest of us pay ever higher prices. The answer for
Labor so far has been, you do oppose these things,
(02:08):
come out against pretty much every single change that's been announced,
and that plays into the perception that they're still weak
on crime, that they haven't been going to the gym
to get stronger and tougher on crime, they are instead
further withering away. Of course, this problem could be solved
if we knew anything about what Labor is planning policy
(02:30):
wise for the next election. But Chippy's strategy is going
to be shock and awe. They're holding cards very close
to their chest until the election. In the meantime, they
do run the risk, don't they, of looking weak while
the coalition steals their thunder.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And yet.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's not till next year. There is no election this year.
I mean we're literally just halfway through this year, so
the elections more than a year away. I know, my
host Mike Hosking saying he wouldn't release any policy this
(03:11):
far away from an election either. But in saying that,
what's the opposition supposed to do during this time just
sit there and just say we'll wait and see, Oh,
it's going to be good. I don't think that really
works for them either, does it?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
News talk has been.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So anyway, as part of the sort of justice shakeup,
there's a discussion point around whether sex crimes should be
in front of a jury or be judge only for
the sake of the victims, you know, cut down a
little bit on the emotional wear and tear that a
(03:52):
case like that causes.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
He is what Heather thinks about that.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
The tough truth is that victims are going to be
re traumatized way before they get to a jury. They
will have to tell the cops what happened, probably multiple times,
and that will be retraumatizing. They will have to tell
their lawyer, probably multiple times, and probably if a lawyer
is doing their job properly, under some pretty robust questioning,
and that will be retraumatizing. And a lot of that
will happen before they even get to the jury. Plus
(04:19):
they're gonna have to tell someone in court anyway, it's
either a jury or it's a judge, so it's going
to happen there as well. I think juries cop the
blame unfairly when offenders aren't declared guilty. I think the
truth is actually that sexual crimes are just really hard
to prove. There often is no evidence, there is no CCTV,
there's no stolen goods at someone's house. There are more
(04:40):
often than not, like the vast majority of times, no
witnesses whatsoever. It is a he said, she said, and
that is why so many offenders walk away, not because
the juries are hard on complainants. I followed cases where
the problem is actually the prosecuting lawyer. A really good
lawyer gets a conviction, makes a conviction more likely. A
rubbish lawyer can throw a slam dunk case. That's not
(05:02):
a jury's fault. And actually it's slightly insulting to us
to say that juries can't handle certain cases, because juries
are just groups of us. You could be on a jury.
I could be on a jury saying that we cannot
be trusted to reach a conclusion, or maybe we can
be trusted to reach a conclusion on something like murder
or assault. But we cannot be trusted to reach a
conclusion on something as complicated as a sex case, I
think is insulting us.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I'm a vet personally, I'm a bit not that you
get what I think, but personally I'm a bit all
or nothing on this. Either you have juries or you
don't have juries, And to be honest, I lean towards
not having juries because in my view, juries are a
little bit like councils. They're for the people who want
to be on a jury, and those are the kind
(05:44):
of people that you don't you shouldn't really.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Have on a jury in my view.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Talk right slash back in the news, of course, because
when you've got rain and rivers and mud going down
a hill where they've done.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Forest streets, there's a bit of scaffs, isn't there? So
what can be done?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
We can't keep doing the same thing time and time again,
can we? I mean? The farming community around areas that
are so badly affected by the erosion by the slash
must get so frustrated knowing that they're having to go
out and rebuild fences that would just come down again,
(06:28):
if not next winter the winter after. So what do
we do We can't surely keep doing the same thing
again and again because that anybody's language shares stupidity.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Just going back to slash the guitarist when he decided
I'm assuming that he wasn't born slash. I don't actually
know what is given name was, but I'm assuming that
he is the one who decided to change it to slash.
(07:05):
But when he did that, was he naming himself after
this kind of.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Slash or was it more of a.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
You know, Adjason slash, Damien slash, Freddy Krueger slash slash.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Too much slash. I've said it too many times now,
haven't I.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
We've got the thorny issue of AI books in our libraries.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh this has got people worked up.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh boy, who knows all about this?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Apparently she called Andrew Dickens. He was talking about a book.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
It was like a nonfiction book that somebody had written,
but the AI had done all the research.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He wasn't happy about it.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Vincey would have come up with this hybrid, this hybridge
alien cow of a book you know which which? But
as you're quite right, most of the facts and everything
has been plagiarized by the computer from a work done
by a human which in the old days we would
have bought that book and read that book before we
started using their facts, so we would have attributed to
(08:13):
that book as well, before we started using that fact
in a book that makes us money. And that's out
and out.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
The bookseller's nightmare to have someone come on and say,
I've written this book by AI and I've put it
on Amazon. Amazon aren't the ones that donate to your
children's sports groups and community organizations. It's your local booksellers
that lovely, you know, support all our communities, and we
(08:40):
need to go on in bat for our local booksellers,
our local authors, and our publishers.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, you're getting into a dangerous area there. Artificially I
want I want to use to the word artificially there.
But artificially you know, keeping in industries alive that perhaps
the time has come and gone. Seay, I mean, I
don't think we're really interested in truth and facts and
(09:07):
things like that anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Are we just entertain us? So I love our brains.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
News talk has it been.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We're going to finish with.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Some technical explanations on how the dumb button works. So
I know you're fascinated by this, aren't you. If you
listen to talk radio, you may have heard of this
magical thing that stops any bad stuff getting into your ears.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
His markets to explain how that works.
Speaker 9 (09:41):
So what's interesting ian watching and listening?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Now?
Speaker 9 (09:44):
I've been reading about kai about Kyle Sandalin's right, who's
the Australian broadcaster and he broadcasts in Sydney and they've
syndicated to Melbourne but it hasn't gone well and they're
losing market share. They get paid a fortune forty million
(10:05):
dollars or something. But anyway, so what have on his
show is that he was broadcasting yesterday talking about the
mushroom woman and their producer has a dump button, and
the producer dumped what he said right, And when you
(10:37):
dump something right, When the producer dumped something, recorded voice says,
this means someone who's said something inappropriate and is currently
getting in trouble. The broadcast will return in seconds. So
I can't work out why they just wouldn't go from
delay to life. I can't work out why it does that. Anyway,
stormed off, He's not coming back or week. I say,
good honor. I'd be furious if someone dumped what I
(10:58):
was saying when broadcasters know the boundaries and know when
they're pushing the boundaries. Anyway, I thought that was very interesting.
But yes, because on this show I have a dump
button and Dan can dump things too if I've missed something.
But yeah, you wouldn't have a third person that's dumping
things you're saying and censoring your program. Yeah, Bo might
(11:18):
be furious.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, I mean, Marcus sort of makes a point.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
But at the same time, this is Kyl Sandelans we're
talking about, and I think he should be dumped from
the moment he opens his mouth and shouldn't be let
anywhere near a microphone in the first place, because everything
he does is just to st of late and shock and.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's not my thing.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I feel like it's less and less Australia's thing as well.
I feel like his time might be waning. Let's hope
it's God that I really care. It's happening in Australia
and not here. I am a glen hat and you
can't dump me because I'm in charge of the podcast
and there's nobody else here.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So I'll see Vickier again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Us do it Been? For more from Newstalk set B
listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First of yesterday's news. I am Glenn Hart and we
are looking back at Wednesday. The problem with jury trials,
especially in sexual assault cases. That sounds fun talk about that,
doesn't it slash? Not the guns n' roses guitarists, but
(00:49):
the rubbish that's left behind from forestry. This is a
problem again because of course the weather's got a bit
of the again, because you know winter, is it all
right to have Ai written books in your library and
all about dumb buttons to the most mythical, legendary dumb button,
(01:13):
how it works.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But before any of that.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Justice policy, the government's going hard on a few things
and it's starting to make labor look pretty wishy washy.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
The facts are as follows, Crime went nuts. Labour's policy
reduce prison population, which is what makes this such a
hard slog, A hard week for labor, not the Greens
into party Maori who sing from a very different songsheet
on law and audibit for Hapkins How do you credibly
stand up and argue against longer sentences for thugs who
(01:46):
bash first responders? How do you oppose getting tough on
coward punches. How do you oppose fines for people stealing
cuts of meat or booze from the supermarket while the
rest of us pay ever higher prices. The answer for
Labor so far has been, you do oppose these things,
(02:08):
come out against pretty much every single change that's been announced,
and that plays into the perception that they're still weak
on crime, that they haven't been going to the gym
to get stronger and tougher on crime, they are instead
further withering away. Of course, this problem could be solved
if we knew anything about what Labor is planning policy
(02:30):
wise for the next election. But Chippy's strategy is going
to be shock and awe. They're holding cards very close
to their chest until the election. In the meantime, they
do run the risk, don't they, of looking weak while
the coalition steals their thunder.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And yet.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's not till next year. There is no election this year.
I mean we're literally just halfway through this year, so
the elections more than a year away. I know, my
host Mike Hosking saying he wouldn't release any policy this
(03:11):
far away from an election either. But in saying that,
what's the opposition supposed to do during this time just
sit there and just say we'll wait and see, Oh,
it's going to be good. I don't think that really
works for them either, does it?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
News talk has been.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So anyway, as part of the sort of justice shakeup,
there's a discussion point around whether sex crimes should be
in front of a jury or be judge only for
the sake of the victims, you know, cut down a
little bit on the emotional wear and tear that a
(03:52):
case like that causes.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
He is what Heather thinks about that.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
The tough truth is that victims are going to be
re traumatized way before they get to a jury. They
will have to tell the cops what happened, probably multiple times,
and that will be retraumatizing. They will have to tell
their lawyer, probably multiple times, and probably if a lawyer
is doing their job properly, under some pretty robust questioning,
and that will be retraumatizing. And a lot of that
will happen before they even get to the jury. Plus
(04:19):
they're gonna have to tell someone in court anyway, it's
either a jury or it's a judge, so it's going
to happen there as well. I think juries cop the
blame unfairly when offenders aren't declared guilty. I think the
truth is actually that sexual crimes are just really hard
to prove. There often is no evidence, there is no CCTV,
there's no stolen goods at someone's house. There are more
(04:40):
often than not, like the vast majority of times, no
witnesses whatsoever. It is a he said, she said, and
that is why so many offenders walk away, not because
the juries are hard on complainants. I followed cases where
the problem is actually the prosecuting lawyer. A really good
lawyer gets a conviction, makes a conviction more likely. A
rubbish lawyer can throw a slam dunk case. That's not
(05:02):
a jury's fault. And actually it's slightly insulting to us
to say that juries can't handle certain cases, because juries
are just groups of us. You could be on a jury.
I could be on a jury saying that we cannot
be trusted to reach a conclusion, or maybe we can
be trusted to reach a conclusion on something like murder
or assault. But we cannot be trusted to reach a
conclusion on something as complicated as a sex case, I
think is insulting us.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I'm a vet personally, I'm a bit not that you
get what I think, but personally I'm a bit all
or nothing on this. Either you have juries or you
don't have juries, And to be honest, I lean towards
not having juries because in my view, juries are a
little bit like councils. They're for the people who want
to be on a jury, and those are the kind
(05:44):
of people that you don't you shouldn't really.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Have on a jury in my view.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Talk right slash back in the news, of course, because
when you've got rain and rivers and mud going down
a hill where they've done.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Forest streets, there's a bit of scaffs, isn't there? So
what can be done?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
We can't keep doing the same thing time and time again,
can we? I mean? The farming community around areas that
are so badly affected by the erosion by the slash
must get so frustrated knowing that they're having to go
out and rebuild fences that would just come down again,
(06:28):
if not next winter the winter after. So what do
we do We can't surely keep doing the same thing
again and again because that anybody's language shares stupidity.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Just going back to slash the guitarist when he decided
I'm assuming that he wasn't born slash. I don't actually
know what is given name was, but I'm assuming that
he is the one who decided to change it to slash.
(07:05):
But when he did that, was he naming himself after
this kind of.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Slash or was it more of a.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
You know, Adjason slash, Damien slash, Freddy Krueger slash slash.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Too much slash. I've said it too many times now,
haven't I.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
We've got the thorny issue of AI books in our libraries.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh this has got people worked up.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh boy, who knows all about this?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Apparently she called Andrew Dickens. He was talking about a book.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
It was like a nonfiction book that somebody had written,
but the AI had done all the research.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He wasn't happy about it.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Vincey would have come up with this hybrid, this hybridge
alien cow of a book you know which which? But
as you're quite right, most of the facts and everything
has been plagiarized by the computer from a work done
by a human which in the old days we would
have bought that book and read that book before we
started using their facts, so we would have attributed to
(08:13):
that book as well, before we started using that fact
in a book that makes us money. And that's out
and out.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
The bookseller's nightmare to have someone come on and say,
I've written this book by AI and I've put it
on Amazon. Amazon aren't the ones that donate to your
children's sports groups and community organizations. It's your local booksellers
that lovely, you know, support all our communities, and we
(08:40):
need to go on in bat for our local booksellers,
our local authors, and our publishers.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, you're getting into a dangerous area there. Artificially I
want I want to use to the word artificially there.
But artificially you know, keeping in industries alive that perhaps
the time has come and gone. Seay, I mean, I
don't think we're really interested in truth and facts and
(09:07):
things like that anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Are we just entertain us? So I love our brains.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
News talk has it been.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We're going to finish with.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Some technical explanations on how the dumb button works. So
I know you're fascinated by this, aren't you. If you
listen to talk radio, you may have heard of this
magical thing that stops any bad stuff getting into your ears.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
His markets to explain how that works.
Speaker 9 (09:41):
So what's interesting ian watching and listening?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Now?
Speaker 9 (09:44):
I've been reading about kai about Kyle Sandalin's right, who's
the Australian broadcaster and he broadcasts in Sydney and they've
syndicated to Melbourne but it hasn't gone well and they're
losing market share. They get paid a fortune forty million
(10:05):
dollars or something. But anyway, so what have on his
show is that he was broadcasting yesterday talking about the
mushroom woman and their producer has a dump button, and
the producer dumped what he said right, And when you
(10:37):
dump something right, When the producer dumped something, recorded voice says,
this means someone who's said something inappropriate and is currently
getting in trouble. The broadcast will return in seconds. So
I can't work out why they just wouldn't go from
delay to life. I can't work out why it does that. Anyway,
stormed off, He's not coming back or week. I say,
good honor. I'd be furious if someone dumped what I
(10:58):
was saying when broadcasters know the boundaries and know when
they're pushing the boundaries. Anyway, I thought that was very interesting.
But yes, because on this show I have a dump
button and Dan can dump things too if I've missed something.
But yeah, you wouldn't have a third person that's dumping
things you're saying and censoring your program. Yeah, Bo might
(11:18):
be furious.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, I mean, Marcus sort of makes a point.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
But at the same time, this is Kyl Sandelans we're
talking about, and I think he should be dumped from
the moment he opens his mouth and shouldn't be let
anywhere near a microphone in the first place, because everything
he does is just to st of late and shock and.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's not my thing.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I feel like it's less and less Australia's thing as well.
I feel like his time might be waning. Let's hope
it's God that I really care. It's happening in Australia
and not here. I am a glen hat and you
can't dump me because I'm in charge of the podcast
and there's nobody else here.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So I'll see Vickier again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Us do it Been? For more from Newstalk set B
listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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