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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hard and we
are looking back at Monday. How's the fight against bureaucracy going?
Do we actually want it to go as far as
it might? Nurses? Are they caught up in it? Has
it ever been good for nurses? Have they always been
(00:44):
complaining that it's not good? The Trump tariffs, We're just
taking them, We're not fighting them. And Marcus wants a
word on whittakers. But before any of that, what's the
succession pan? If Christopher lux And got run over by
a bus? That was the fun conversation yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I love to hear your thoughts about a succession plan
for the National Party if something were to happen to
Christopher Luxey.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Keep laughing at these people, Hey there, this topic is
a very bad taste. The media is continually trying to
undermine Luxon. This is a COVID attempt at doing the
same thing. No, it's I think it's a perfectly reasonable question.
To ask who you think is the most competent member
of the government stand up? Should the unthinkable happen? It's
(01:30):
a fair question to ask of a party that is governing,
how softer people? How softer people that they can't hear
the expression what should happen if the primise to get
hit by a bus without crying?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
How weak are people?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Grumpy?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Old Monday come home people? Hard enough? Hard enough? It
just words your bosses? Is it just that people don't
like the idea of Christopher Luxan being anywhere near a
bus that we're just not into buses and that's a
bad look for him, whether he's under it, on it,
next to it, getting on it, getting off it. They
(02:06):
wouldn't be happy with that association. Maybe news talk been anyway,
How good a job is he doing? And the government
and all those that crowd because you know the old
pushback against bureaucracy red tape, do we actually want that
to succeed? I wonder?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
So I find it a bit ironic that the government
and the electorate are once again keen on getting rid
of some of the layers of our council bureaucracy. The
irony is this first we've got New Zealand First Shane
Jones publicly questioning the role of regional councils, wondering whether
there's going to be a compelling case for regional government
to continue to exist. Then the Prime Minister Christopher Leuxan
told Mike Hosking that the government was looking at local
(02:47):
government reform, and on Friday, Matthew Houghton wrote a piece
about regional councils, reiterating a question Chris Bishop has been asking,
is there any point in having regional councils. So it's
on the table, And of course the battle against bureaucracy
is alive and well around the world. Duplication of services
and excessive layers of governance means that savings could be
made easily and safely, and it's something we already discussed.
(03:10):
So look last term the government reformed district health boards
from twenty boards into a single entity Health New Zealand
or and that was just because that's gone now, or
is going because the new government has taken against it.
They want to return to locally delivered healthcare because they
believe in regional decision making being the best way to go.
(03:31):
So they're unlike that amalgamation Meanwhile, reform of regional councils
looks awfully like the formation of all consupercity, a reform
that has heaps of enemies because of its devolution of
power away from communities, and as Hohoton says, the reason
we hate the super city are the cco's council controlled organizations,
which was supposed to replicate the state owned enterprises. But
the problem there is we can't because there are no
(03:54):
shares in CCOs, so they become the worst of things,
a mongol hybrid of council bureaucracies and private monopolies. Anyway,
it looks like we want to amalgamate public bodies, but
in the past, as I pointed out, we don't like it.
We moan that our voices are no longer heard and
that the bureaucracies have become too huge and out of control,
so let's just centralize it. So what is it, people?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, it's a good point. I am. You won't hear
any complaints from me, because I'm the kind of person
who just is happy to let people get on with
whatever they're getting on with as long as they let
me get on with what I'm getting on with. Although
I did drive pass to have a lot of rown codes.
Road of Cones. Today the bridge is down to one
(04:38):
lane city bound. This is the aukm have a bridge
I'm talking about. If you're not familiar with the area,
there are eight lanes on it. I was only allowed
to drive on one of them. It was all coned
off for quite some distance with no apparent work being
done on anything anyway. So that's certainly working, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So nurses want more nurses. I think that's what they
want at the moment. Sometimes it feels like nurses always
want something that they haven't got. But is it because
they've never had what they need? You know what I'm
talking about?
Speaker 6 (05:17):
How many more staff would you hire? What areas would
you put them into? Do you need more cleaning assistance?
Do you need more admin people who actually know what
they're doing, fewer middle managers? Where is it that it's
going to make a difference, Because honestly, I was like, yay,
twenty one hundred nurses more than six hundred doctors. Finally
(05:40):
you've got a government that's actually hiring them, not saying
we're going to put them on a wish list for migration.
You know, you've got these are people who are crocs
on the ground. You know they're they're there in the woods.
So how many more do you need? And has there
(06:01):
ever been a time where you have thought this is great?
I really love going to work. I feel supported, I
feel valued, I feel like I have a team around
me that can help me do my job brilliantly. Ever, I.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Think I've proposed this idea before, but it hasn't happened,
so maybe it's worth repeating it and hopefully it'll catch on.
I could we just completely redesign society and prioritize all
the jobs that I think we're all agreed are the
most important ones. So nurses, doctors, teachers, you know, dentists, tootometrists, optomologists, know,
(06:53):
all the people who you look after us that they
basically keep us going and teach us and give us
the skills that we need. Start there, make sure they've
got everything that they could possibly want to do their job,
and then move down the list, and I'd put people
(07:13):
like who collect the rubbish, make sure that the water
is treated properly. I'd put all those people out there
as well. And I wonder how far down the list
you go before you get to people like, oh, I
don't know, middle management and CEO.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Can use your setting the.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Socialist communist wing. I was just trying to take a
logical approach it. I've probably got it wrong. I've got
most things wrong. Not like Trump. He's absolutely creaming it
with this whole tariff situation, isn't he. Now.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I asked Chris Luxon about this a few weeks ago,
you know, are we even trying to negotiate a lower
tariff rate than ten percent? Or were just taking the
base rate and be done with it? He said, We're
basically happy with ten percent. We'll take that. The problem
now is this Trump is talking about fifteen percent or
even twenty percent as a base rate, raised the idea
(08:09):
in an interview with NBC, and the problem for us
about this is twofold one. Well, is even serious? You know,
we've had big bold calls from Trump before with no
follow through. Markets read them as a negotiating tactic. Social
media calls them tacos. Trump always chickens out because he
doesn't follow through. But the second and most important one.
(08:30):
If our rate doubles to twenty percent, then our second
largest export.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Market starts to feel a little shaky. A bit squeezed.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Twenty percent on our wine and meat sounds much worse
than ten, doesn't it. But here's why the government's probably
made the right calculation. Tariff's are all relative, aren't they.
So unless some other country which exports loads of wine
and meat is looking to do a better deal than
the minimum and succeeds in that, then our goods won't
(09:00):
be any more or less expensive and relative terms to
the rest of the world's. And so long as that
holds true, then the current strategy is probably on balance
the right one.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, as I said before that this is my favorite strategy.
Keep your head down and hope that nobody notices you.
That's basically that. That's how I've got to where I
am today. What do you mean you don't know where
I am today? Exactly? See what I did there?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
News talk it right.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's time to talk Wickers because it's the end of
the podcast, and that's usually where I put Marcus saying
random things about stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I'm sick of Whittakers with it.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Just find one chocolate you've got it and keep making it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There'd be my advice to you.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's all about the new now, it's about hype.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Isn't it.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Goodness me anyway?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So short and sour there from Marcus? It is it
is ironic. Isn't it that they used to market themselves
as good on as chocolate? Since whenever? I think they
don't do that anymore? Do they? Because I think, as
Marcus says, that they do some of up of these
of stunted flavors and things. These, I mean, they all do.
(10:15):
I know there is a Neapolitan kit kat for example.
In fact, that fake strawberry flavor seems to be in
vogue at the moment. Does anybody like liking that? I
don't think anybody likes that? Do they the fake strawberry flavor?
(10:35):
I mean somebody must, because they keep making it. But
and don't get me wrong, obviously I've tried it. I'll
try any anything that I haven't tried before in terms
of chocolate bars. It's, you know, just for research purposes,
you know, just so I'm informed, you understand. And I tried.
I did try the Neapolitan kit cat and as I suspected,
(10:55):
the strawberry that or the fake strawberry, but because didn't
taste anything like strawberry, and I don'tlike the fake banana flavor,
which doesn't taste anything like bananas. The fake strawberry favor.
This is gross. So maybe if you made the strawberry
that past actually like strawberries, people would like it more. Anyway,
(11:20):
So a short comment on that from Marcus, very long
comment from me. I sorry about that. You're probably hoping
you could go off and do whatever you were going
to be doing rather than listening to all this stuff.
I can't believe you haven't stopped it before. Now stop it,
stop it. I'm stopping it and I'll start it up
again tomorrow. I Seison used talking strab zid bean.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
For more from news Talk said b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said, b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Used Talk said, be you talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hard and we
are looking back at Monday. How's the fight against bureaucracy going?
Do we actually want it to go as far as
it might? Nurses? Are they caught up in it? Has
it ever been good for nurses? Have they always been
(00:44):
complaining that it's not good? The Trump tariffs, We're just
taking them, We're not fighting them. And Marcus wants a
word on whittakers. But before any of that, what's the
succession pan? If Christopher lux And got run over by
a bus? That was the fun conversation yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I love to hear your thoughts about a succession plan
for the National Party if something were to happen to
Christopher Luxey.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Keep laughing at these people, Hey there, this topic is
a very bad taste. The media is continually trying to
undermine Luxon. This is a COVID attempt at doing the
same thing. No, it's I think it's a perfectly reasonable question.
To ask who you think is the most competent member
of the government stand up? Should the unthinkable happen? It's
(01:30):
a fair question to ask of a party that is governing,
how softer people? How softer people that they can't hear
the expression what should happen if the primise to get
hit by a bus without crying?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
How weak are people?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Grumpy?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Old Monday come home people? Hard enough? Hard enough? It
just words your bosses? Is it just that people don't
like the idea of Christopher Luxan being anywhere near a
bus that we're just not into buses and that's a
bad look for him, whether he's under it, on it,
next to it, getting on it, getting off it. They
(02:06):
wouldn't be happy with that association. Maybe news talk been anyway,
How good a job is he doing? And the government
and all those that crowd because you know the old
pushback against bureaucracy red tape, do we actually want that
to succeed? I wonder?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
So I find it a bit ironic that the government
and the electorate are once again keen on getting rid
of some of the layers of our council bureaucracy. The
irony is this first we've got New Zealand First Shane
Jones publicly questioning the role of regional councils, wondering whether
there's going to be a compelling case for regional government
to continue to exist. Then the Prime Minister Christopher Leuxan
told Mike Hosking that the government was looking at local
(02:47):
government reform, and on Friday, Matthew Houghton wrote a piece
about regional councils, reiterating a question Chris Bishop has been asking,
is there any point in having regional councils. So it's
on the table, And of course the battle against bureaucracy
is alive and well around the world. Duplication of services
and excessive layers of governance means that savings could be
made easily and safely, and it's something we already discussed.
(03:10):
So look last term the government reformed district health boards
from twenty boards into a single entity Health New Zealand
or and that was just because that's gone now, or
is going because the new government has taken against it.
They want to return to locally delivered healthcare because they
believe in regional decision making being the best way to go.
(03:31):
So they're unlike that amalgamation Meanwhile, reform of regional councils
looks awfully like the formation of all consupercity, a reform
that has heaps of enemies because of its devolution of
power away from communities, and as Hohoton says, the reason
we hate the super city are the cco's council controlled organizations,
which was supposed to replicate the state owned enterprises. But
the problem there is we can't because there are no
(03:54):
shares in CCOs, so they become the worst of things,
a mongol hybrid of council bureaucracies and private monopolies. Anyway,
it looks like we want to amalgamate public bodies, but
in the past, as I pointed out, we don't like it.
We moan that our voices are no longer heard and
that the bureaucracies have become too huge and out of control,
so let's just centralize it. So what is it, people?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, it's a good point. I am. You won't hear
any complaints from me, because I'm the kind of person
who just is happy to let people get on with
whatever they're getting on with as long as they let
me get on with what I'm getting on with. Although
I did drive pass to have a lot of rown codes.
Road of Cones. Today the bridge is down to one
(04:38):
lane city bound. This is the aukm have a bridge
I'm talking about. If you're not familiar with the area,
there are eight lanes on it. I was only allowed
to drive on one of them. It was all coned
off for quite some distance with no apparent work being
done on anything anyway. So that's certainly working, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So nurses want more nurses. I think that's what they
want at the moment. Sometimes it feels like nurses always
want something that they haven't got. But is it because
they've never had what they need? You know what I'm
talking about?
Speaker 6 (05:17):
How many more staff would you hire? What areas would
you put them into? Do you need more cleaning assistance?
Do you need more admin people who actually know what
they're doing, fewer middle managers? Where is it that it's
going to make a difference, Because honestly, I was like, yay,
twenty one hundred nurses more than six hundred doctors. Finally
(05:40):
you've got a government that's actually hiring them, not saying
we're going to put them on a wish list for migration.
You know, you've got these are people who are crocs
on the ground. You know they're they're there in the woods.
So how many more do you need? And has there
(06:01):
ever been a time where you have thought this is great?
I really love going to work. I feel supported, I
feel valued, I feel like I have a team around
me that can help me do my job brilliantly. Ever, I.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Think I've proposed this idea before, but it hasn't happened,
so maybe it's worth repeating it and hopefully it'll catch on.
I could we just completely redesign society and prioritize all
the jobs that I think we're all agreed are the
most important ones. So nurses, doctors, teachers, you know, dentists, tootometrists, optomologists, know,
(06:53):
all the people who you look after us that they
basically keep us going and teach us and give us
the skills that we need. Start there, make sure they've
got everything that they could possibly want to do their job,
and then move down the list, and I'd put people
(07:13):
like who collect the rubbish, make sure that the water
is treated properly. I'd put all those people out there
as well. And I wonder how far down the list
you go before you get to people like, oh, I
don't know, middle management and CEO.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Can use your setting the.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Socialist communist wing. I was just trying to take a
logical approach it. I've probably got it wrong. I've got
most things wrong. Not like Trump. He's absolutely creaming it
with this whole tariff situation, isn't he. Now.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I asked Chris Luxon about this a few weeks ago,
you know, are we even trying to negotiate a lower
tariff rate than ten percent? Or were just taking the
base rate and be done with it? He said, We're
basically happy with ten percent. We'll take that. The problem
now is this Trump is talking about fifteen percent or
even twenty percent as a base rate, raised the idea
(08:09):
in an interview with NBC, and the problem for us
about this is twofold one. Well, is even serious? You know,
we've had big bold calls from Trump before with no
follow through. Markets read them as a negotiating tactic. Social
media calls them tacos. Trump always chickens out because he
doesn't follow through. But the second and most important one.
(08:30):
If our rate doubles to twenty percent, then our second
largest export.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Market starts to feel a little shaky. A bit squeezed.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Twenty percent on our wine and meat sounds much worse
than ten, doesn't it. But here's why the government's probably
made the right calculation. Tariff's are all relative, aren't they.
So unless some other country which exports loads of wine
and meat is looking to do a better deal than
the minimum and succeeds in that, then our goods won't
(09:00):
be any more or less expensive and relative terms to
the rest of the world's. And so long as that
holds true, then the current strategy is probably on balance
the right one.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, as I said before that this is my favorite strategy.
Keep your head down and hope that nobody notices you.
That's basically that. That's how I've got to where I
am today. What do you mean you don't know where
I am today? Exactly? See what I did there?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
News talk it right.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's time to talk Wickers because it's the end of
the podcast, and that's usually where I put Marcus saying
random things about stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I'm sick of Whittakers with it.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Just find one chocolate you've got it and keep making it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
There'd be my advice to you.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's all about the new now, it's about hype.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Isn't it.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Goodness me anyway?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So short and sour there from Marcus? It is it
is ironic. Isn't it that they used to market themselves
as good on as chocolate? Since whenever? I think they
don't do that anymore? Do they? Because I think, as
Marcus says, that they do some of up of these
of stunted flavors and things. These, I mean, they all do.
(10:15):
I know there is a Neapolitan kit kat for example.
In fact, that fake strawberry flavor seems to be in
vogue at the moment. Does anybody like liking that? I
don't think anybody likes that? Do they the fake strawberry flavor?
(10:35):
I mean somebody must, because they keep making it. But
and don't get me wrong, obviously I've tried it. I'll
try any anything that I haven't tried before in terms
of chocolate bars. It's, you know, just for research purposes,
you know, just so I'm informed, you understand. And I tried.
I did try the Neapolitan kit cat and as I suspected,
(10:55):
the strawberry that or the fake strawberry, but because didn't
taste anything like strawberry, and I don'tlike the fake banana flavor,
which doesn't taste anything like bananas. The fake strawberry favor.
This is gross. So maybe if you made the strawberry
that past actually like strawberries, people would like it more. Anyway,
(11:20):
So a short comment on that from Marcus, very long
comment from me. I sorry about that. You're probably hoping
you could go off and do whatever you were going
to be doing rather than listening to all this stuff.
I can't believe you haven't stopped it before. Now stop it,
stop it. I'm stopping it and I'll start it up
again tomorrow. I Seison used talking strab zid bean.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
For more from news Talk said b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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