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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said Talk, Hello, and welcome to the Being
Good Friday. This is yuse Today's news. Hi, Am Glen Harton.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You're looking back at Thursday, the fence that never will
be We'll have a look at it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, we won't look at it because it never will
be AI specifically in government policies. This lit another little
robot apopolyst that for you.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
There the space races back on and Ryan's into it,
and we're going to finish up.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
By talking actually more technology, really.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
What technology has made extinct? Something in particular that Marcus
wants to talk about at the end of a podcast.
The first up, let's keep going on these road user charges,
so everybody's going to be paying them.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That seems fair or is it?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
He said? The intent is to make paying for rucks
user friendly and similar to paying a power bill online
or a Netflix subscription. The thing is, though, if you
don't pay your power bill or your Netflix subscription, the
service is cut. You don't get it anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You don't pay, you don't get it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
You can't do that with roads. It's not as though
all of a sudden a barrier is going to appear
at your driveway and you're not allowed to go onto
the road because you haven't paid your rucks. And according
to number of mechanics, the number of vehicles that turn
up where the rucks have not been paid is extraordinary.
So the system will only be good as good as
the technology that can isolate the people who are not paying.
(02:02):
It has to work. I'm sure you'll be able to
fiddle the electronics if you can fiddle adometers, and people
have been doing that ever since there's been the buying
and trading of vehicles. If you can get rid of
electronic bail monitoring bracelets, then the technology has to be
(02:23):
as tamper proof as we can make it. It's the
right move, but we just have to ensure we have
the technology to ensure that users do indeed pay.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
That would be quite cool, though, like somehow like just
instead of I guess, could they attach something to our
garage doors. You can't open your garage door you haven't
paid your rack, Then how would you get the lawmar out.
(02:57):
It's good that people who are fueling lawmars don't have
to pay any more petrol tax though.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Isn't it now that I think of it?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So no Garrey, or do we need to redesign where
we store our cars completely have a sort of a
thunderbird situation where you've got palm trees that bend over,
swimming pools that drain, and then the car emerges out
like that and that can be turned off.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Why are you being so stupid when news talk ze been?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I don't know, it's a Friday thing. I think I'm
just in a weird state of mind, which is why
I'm so interested in the fence that won't be built
along Wellington's waterfront.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Coron has had a look at somebody who's fallen into
the water died in the drink and said you should
put a fence up because there have been a few
examples lately, especially young men who have got on the
raz and then fallen into the water and that has
been the end of them. But this is going to
sound harsh, but I don't think you fence off an
entire walkway because some young people sometimes have a drink
(03:57):
and then fall in. I don't want as much as you,
I don't want people to die needlessly in accidents, but
there is a balance to be struck here between personal
responsibility and safety measures that we put to stop stuff happening.
I think you go for an intermediate thing here. You
stick up some lights, you make sure people can see
where they're going in the dark, but you do not
fence off the entire thing, because that is overkill. It
(04:18):
is not normal for us to have fences between ourselves
and the sea. Take Auckland, where I live at the moment.
Go for a walk under Auckland's harbor bridge. There are
huge stretches exactly like this, no fence whatsoever. You're walking there,
there's the sea. It's a fall down. You have to
look after yourself and be careful. Walk on piers anywhere
in this country they often do not have fences. You've
(04:39):
got a watch where you're going. You chuck up a fence.
You stop people doing what they're supposed to do in
the sea, which are sitting there looking at it, enjoying nature,
or fishing off the fishing off the walkway into the sea.
Think about what the Wellington officials trying to do here.
They were literally fencing off the sea. When you fence
off the sea, do you not think that you are
going just a little bit too far.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, you've got to fence off all the sea.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
If you do, they don't you everywhere? Fence off all rivers,
all the way along, all rivers, all lakes, probably deep puddles.
Everything's got to be fenced off. I have always found
it weird that you have to fence the swimming paul
(05:22):
but you don't have to fence the sea.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Anyway. Talk right, So walk's gone mad.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
When it comes to policy. Just can you go mad
with AI? With your policy as well?
Speaker 6 (05:39):
There's been some kickback overseas uk MP uses a clone
AI bot to answer constituents questions, basic questions. In the
Swedish PM he has got a lot of heat for
saying that he throws policies into chech GBT. You see
what it thinks.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
And the Honorable Judith Collins has come out in support
of AI as she says use of AI technologies to
improve public services is a priority for me and this
guidance will enable its safe and responsible uptake. AI presents
a major opportunity to lift productivity and proof public service delivery.
Governments must ensure it is done right. So there's some
guidance on this. We need to get to the bottom
(06:14):
of exactly what the guidance is on that.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Yeah, so she calls it the Public Service AI Framework,
and it's quite a big document, but we've just found
the five principles that they expect this AI framework to
abide by.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
Safe deployment of all forms of AI and public service
transparency and trustworthiness, and AI decision making, accountability for outcomes
driven by AI systems, focus on value to the public,
better outcomes, and cost efficiency, alignment with public expectations as
a of olves. Sounds like I've read that and no more,
no less than when I started reading it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That's often the way with government paperwork. It makes it
more stupid the more you expose yourself to it, which
is why we should let AI take care of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
AI can be the battle between us and whatever's happening there.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
But yeah, so, yeah, with the basically what.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
We've done out there is that AI is actually running everything.
Now we didn't even notice that it had taken over.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Of course, that was what was going to happen. You
can't rise up against something that you don't know is happening,
and then once they're in power, it's too late. But
the robot apocalypse happened.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
We didn't even realize Music City, So we've been looking
at technology a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Does that mean we are interested in space again?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
What's the deal with wanting to put a nuclear reactor
on the Moon?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I suppose that most science fiction things that.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I've seen, there's everything's powered by nuclear reactors, spaceships, moon bases,
Mars basis.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well, is it a big deal.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
It's like the Science Olympics crossed with the geopolitical Hunger Games.
This is what makes it so fascinating. This time it's
a bit like last time, but with the US on
one team, China Russia working together on the other, and
they want to install these nuclear reactors on the surface
of the Moon, some four hundred thousand kilometers away. The
(08:27):
US wants it done by twenty thirty. China, Russia they
are aiming for your early twenty thirties, so it's a
real race. The scientists are hoping everybody will come together
and combay and cooperate like they do with the International
Space Station once.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
They're up there.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
But of course the politicians have other plans, don't they.
This is about nationalism, it's about defense and territory. Everyone
wants to be the first because there are actually currently
no laws or treaties for colonizing the Moon. It's basically
first come, first served, and they reckon. Whoever builds the
(09:01):
first reactor for electricity can basically bags that area and
build their base close by. He who gets their first wins.
Basically the Moon, as you know, quite important.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
To us here on Earth, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
The seasons, the crops, the oceans, Our entire lives are
tied to this thing that hangs in the sky. But
if you look at it closely, it's actually already covered
in giant craters so big you can see them from Earth.
So even if these guys do blow something up, what's.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
One more crater? You know?
Speaker 8 (09:36):
I'm basically frothing at the chomping at the bit here
to see the New Age space race get underway. The
most interesting question, I think is what happens if it's
not a country that gets there first but one of
those weird oh billionaires and their space toys.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
If you haven't watched For All Mankind on Apple TV plus,
I highly recommend it if you're into space races. It's
about exactly what Raygan was just talking about. There, not
just the races between countries but also between corporations.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's very well known. News talk ze been here.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Actually, here's another example of how the robots have taken
over again. You possibly didn't even notice. Thank you Margarets
for bringing us to attention.
Speaker 9 (10:23):
If you think back twenty years to twenty to two
thousand and five, right, and then you come forward to now. Right,
So back twenty years ago forward to now. Now, he's
an honest question for you.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Compare then and now.
Speaker 9 (10:41):
How many clocks did you have in your house twenty
years ago? And how many clocks he got in your
house now? Because I've just realized because I was getting
ready for work and I'm thinking, gee, what time is it?
I left my cell phone in my car. I had
no idea what time it is because no one has clocks?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Am I right?
Speaker 9 (10:59):
Because we look at everything that the cell phone has replaced.
It's replaced the landline and it's replaced, the calculator and
it's replaced, the alarm clock and it's replaced the camera.
It's replaced all those things. But I never realized it
to replace the clock. No one's got clocks.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Have I got that right?
Speaker 9 (11:16):
There's no point your batteries run out, you don't replace
it because, thank goodness, gracious me, I'm just looking at
my phone the whole time.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
What about is he talking about watches? I mean they
didn't rist watchers kind of make clocks redundant. You just
look at the time on your watch. It's the same thing,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
People still have clocks even after they've got a risk watch,
didn't they.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm quite sure what he was doing it there. I
mean you can just ask your smart speaker at the time.
As these days it's don't worry about it. Who can
be bothered? Tacking the tone? Now, good topic.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I am Glen and the world of technology is fantastic.
Our robot overlords have done it again. Hail the robots,
thanks for not killing.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Us so far. Then we'll see you back here again
on Monday. Un least they change your mind.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Us talking talking has it been.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
For more from us?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Talk sed B listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk, said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said Talk, Hello, and welcome to the Being
Good Friday. This is yuse Today's news. Hi, Am Glen Harton.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You're looking back at Thursday, the fence that never will
be We'll have a look at it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, we won't look at it because it never will
be AI specifically in government policies. This lit another little
robot apopolyst that for you.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
There the space races back on and Ryan's into it,
and we're going to finish up.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
By talking actually more technology, really.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
What technology has made extinct? Something in particular that Marcus
wants to talk about at the end of a podcast.
The first up, let's keep going on these road user charges,
so everybody's going to be paying them.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That seems fair or is it?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
He said? The intent is to make paying for rucks
user friendly and similar to paying a power bill online
or a Netflix subscription. The thing is, though, if you
don't pay your power bill or your Netflix subscription, the
service is cut. You don't get it anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You don't pay, you don't get it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
You can't do that with roads. It's not as though
all of a sudden a barrier is going to appear
at your driveway and you're not allowed to go onto
the road because you haven't paid your rucks. And according
to number of mechanics, the number of vehicles that turn
up where the rucks have not been paid is extraordinary.
So the system will only be good as good as
the technology that can isolate the people who are not paying.
(02:02):
It has to work. I'm sure you'll be able to
fiddle the electronics if you can fiddle adometers, and people
have been doing that ever since there's been the buying
and trading of vehicles. If you can get rid of
electronic bail monitoring bracelets, then the technology has to be
(02:23):
as tamper proof as we can make it. It's the
right move, but we just have to ensure we have
the technology to ensure that users do indeed pay.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
That would be quite cool, though, like somehow like just
instead of I guess, could they attach something to our
garage doors. You can't open your garage door you haven't
paid your rack, Then how would you get the lawmar out.
(02:57):
It's good that people who are fueling lawmars don't have
to pay any more petrol tax though.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Isn't it now that I think of it?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So no Garrey, or do we need to redesign where
we store our cars completely have a sort of a
thunderbird situation where you've got palm trees that bend over,
swimming pools that drain, and then the car emerges out
like that and that can be turned off.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Why are you being so stupid when news talk ze been?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I don't know, it's a Friday thing. I think I'm
just in a weird state of mind, which is why
I'm so interested in the fence that won't be built
along Wellington's waterfront.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Coron has had a look at somebody who's fallen into
the water died in the drink and said you should
put a fence up because there have been a few
examples lately, especially young men who have got on the
raz and then fallen into the water and that has
been the end of them. But this is going to
sound harsh, but I don't think you fence off an
entire walkway because some young people sometimes have a drink
(03:57):
and then fall in. I don't want as much as you,
I don't want people to die needlessly in accidents, but
there is a balance to be struck here between personal
responsibility and safety measures that we put to stop stuff happening.
I think you go for an intermediate thing here. You
stick up some lights, you make sure people can see
where they're going in the dark, but you do not
fence off the entire thing, because that is overkill. It
(04:18):
is not normal for us to have fences between ourselves
and the sea. Take Auckland, where I live at the moment.
Go for a walk under Auckland's harbor bridge. There are
huge stretches exactly like this, no fence whatsoever. You're walking there,
there's the sea. It's a fall down. You have to
look after yourself and be careful. Walk on piers anywhere
in this country they often do not have fences. You've
(04:39):
got a watch where you're going. You chuck up a fence.
You stop people doing what they're supposed to do in
the sea, which are sitting there looking at it, enjoying nature,
or fishing off the fishing off the walkway into the sea.
Think about what the Wellington officials trying to do here.
They were literally fencing off the sea. When you fence
off the sea, do you not think that you are
going just a little bit too far.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, you've got to fence off all the sea.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
If you do, they don't you everywhere? Fence off all rivers,
all the way along, all rivers, all lakes, probably deep puddles.
Everything's got to be fenced off. I have always found
it weird that you have to fence the swimming paul
(05:22):
but you don't have to fence the sea.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Anyway. Talk right, So walk's gone mad.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
When it comes to policy. Just can you go mad
with AI? With your policy as well?
Speaker 6 (05:39):
There's been some kickback overseas uk MP uses a clone
AI bot to answer constituents questions, basic questions. In the
Swedish PM he has got a lot of heat for
saying that he throws policies into chech GBT. You see
what it thinks.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
And the Honorable Judith Collins has come out in support
of AI as she says use of AI technologies to
improve public services is a priority for me and this
guidance will enable its safe and responsible uptake. AI presents
a major opportunity to lift productivity and proof public service delivery.
Governments must ensure it is done right. So there's some
guidance on this. We need to get to the bottom
(06:14):
of exactly what the guidance is on that.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Yeah, so she calls it the Public Service AI Framework,
and it's quite a big document, but we've just found
the five principles that they expect this AI framework to
abide by.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
Safe deployment of all forms of AI and public service
transparency and trustworthiness, and AI decision making, accountability for outcomes
driven by AI systems, focus on value to the public,
better outcomes, and cost efficiency, alignment with public expectations as
a of olves. Sounds like I've read that and no more,
no less than when I started reading it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That's often the way with government paperwork. It makes it
more stupid the more you expose yourself to it, which
is why we should let AI take care of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
AI can be the battle between us and whatever's happening there.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
But yeah, so, yeah, with the basically what.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
We've done out there is that AI is actually running everything.
Now we didn't even notice that it had taken over.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Of course, that was what was going to happen. You
can't rise up against something that you don't know is happening,
and then once they're in power, it's too late. But
the robot apocalypse happened.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
We didn't even realize Music City, So we've been looking
at technology a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Does that mean we are interested in space again?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
What's the deal with wanting to put a nuclear reactor
on the Moon?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I suppose that most science fiction things that.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I've seen, there's everything's powered by nuclear reactors, spaceships, moon bases,
Mars basis.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well, is it a big deal.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
It's like the Science Olympics crossed with the geopolitical Hunger Games.
This is what makes it so fascinating. This time it's
a bit like last time, but with the US on
one team, China Russia working together on the other, and
they want to install these nuclear reactors on the surface
of the Moon, some four hundred thousand kilometers away. The
(08:27):
US wants it done by twenty thirty. China, Russia they
are aiming for your early twenty thirties, so it's a
real race. The scientists are hoping everybody will come together
and combay and cooperate like they do with the International
Space Station once.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
They're up there.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
But of course the politicians have other plans, don't they.
This is about nationalism, it's about defense and territory. Everyone
wants to be the first because there are actually currently
no laws or treaties for colonizing the Moon. It's basically
first come, first served, and they reckon. Whoever builds the
(09:01):
first reactor for electricity can basically bags that area and
build their base close by. He who gets their first wins.
Basically the Moon, as you know, quite important.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
To us here on Earth, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
The seasons, the crops, the oceans, Our entire lives are
tied to this thing that hangs in the sky. But
if you look at it closely, it's actually already covered
in giant craters so big you can see them from Earth.
So even if these guys do blow something up, what's.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
One more crater? You know?
Speaker 8 (09:36):
I'm basically frothing at the chomping at the bit here
to see the New Age space race get underway. The
most interesting question, I think is what happens if it's
not a country that gets there first but one of
those weird oh billionaires and their space toys.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
If you haven't watched For All Mankind on Apple TV plus,
I highly recommend it if you're into space races. It's
about exactly what Raygan was just talking about. There, not
just the races between countries but also between corporations.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's very well known. News talk ze been here.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Actually, here's another example of how the robots have taken
over again. You possibly didn't even notice. Thank you Margarets
for bringing us to attention.
Speaker 9 (10:23):
If you think back twenty years to twenty to two
thousand and five, right, and then you come forward to now. Right,
So back twenty years ago forward to now. Now, he's
an honest question for you.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Compare then and now.
Speaker 9 (10:41):
How many clocks did you have in your house twenty
years ago? And how many clocks he got in your
house now? Because I've just realized because I was getting
ready for work and I'm thinking, gee, what time is it?
I left my cell phone in my car. I had
no idea what time it is because no one has clocks?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Am I right?
Speaker 9 (10:59):
Because we look at everything that the cell phone has replaced.
It's replaced the landline and it's replaced, the calculator and
it's replaced, the alarm clock and it's replaced the camera.
It's replaced all those things. But I never realized it
to replace the clock. No one's got clocks.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Have I got that right?
Speaker 9 (11:16):
There's no point your batteries run out, you don't replace
it because, thank goodness, gracious me, I'm just looking at
my phone the whole time.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
What about is he talking about watches? I mean they
didn't rist watchers kind of make clocks redundant. You just
look at the time on your watch. It's the same thing,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
People still have clocks even after they've got a risk watch,
didn't they.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm quite sure what he was doing it there. I
mean you can just ask your smart speaker at the time.
As these days it's don't worry about it. Who can
be bothered? Tacking the tone? Now, good topic.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I am Glen and the world of technology is fantastic.
Our robot overlords have done it again. Hail the robots,
thanks for not killing.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Us so far. Then we'll see you back here again
on Monday. Un least they change your mind.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Us talking talking has it been.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
For more from us?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Talk sed B listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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