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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Being the
week in edition first of yesterday's News. I am Glenn Hart,
and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday, where
many weekends do happen. So the All Black spottled it
exactly as I predicted. Unfortunately Gaza not sorted far from
(00:45):
it that we seem to be totally happy to spend
billions on defense, even though it will ever be enough.
And Don McGlashan was live two years ago, no, three
years ago. He recorded it. Now he's putting it out
(01:06):
and now he's live with Jack as well. Alive Don
before any of that, Hey, guess who the ren fairly
shielholders are. That's right, leave us up along it well, and.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
What are you and Aaron Cruden looking to bring to
this white Coutle side as real veterans of rugby?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, I guess for us, but there's always pressure, but
it probably doesn't fluster us as much anymore. You know,
we're both fathers now we have other commitments and rugby
is just a small part of our lives. It's what
we do and it's not who we are. And I
guess for us trying to get these young boys who
(01:45):
look at rugby as a as a bell and thendor
and sometimes that pressure can get to them, and just
to realize it really is just a game at the
end of the day, and to really enjoy it, because
these moments come a few and far between, you know,
like I've been able to play rugby for sixteen years
as a toe and this is my second challenge at it,
and so to get it this time around on the
(02:07):
second on the can go, it is pretty amazing, and
you know, I'm really going to save at this moment
and enjoy.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It my bit. So the young guys and the team,
I mean, they're you know, they're just full noise, aren't they.
Where did these young guys get their energy from?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh my, I wish I had.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I've only quite a certain amount of dancing to think
most games, but you know, like I know how to
get to the spot quickly and can read the play
and understand where the ball is going to go.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
So I think that just comes off experience.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I remember playing Bevington against a woman much older
than me, and I'd been playing for quite a long time,
but she'd been playing for a lot longer than me,
and I remember being running around all over the court
and she didn't have to move, and I couldn't figure
(02:58):
out how she was doing it. Turns out it's just
being older and having a lot of booty.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Tricks up this league news talk zi been.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Unfortunately, the all Blacks duty tricks got penalized yesterday morning, penalized,
yellow carded basically and as and as usual, no plan B,
no ideas running around like a bunch of headless jokes.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Again, what is front of mind as you reflect on
the performance tonight?
Speaker 6 (03:31):
There's lots of things, friend of mine obviously, just ultimately
really disappointed and in performance. You know, Argentinians played some
good footy, but you know where we're see him. He
has a lot of areas tonight and and a coross.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Us which areas in particular.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Oh look mate, there was you know, a lot of
areas where we didn't perform we wanted to. Obviously, you know,
the Argentinians kicked really well and one the year most times,
which was which is a massive part of the game
these days, and as we've seen from all the rugby
like today with the South African AASI game and our game.
(04:09):
If you can't win the year, then then you lose
a lot of position and you put yourself under pressure.
That's a big point, you know, even like a lot
of our attack and our strike was you know, some
of our lineout stuff was off for an execution, which
meant we couldn't build pressure. And Nick Berry has always
been a referee who you know, gives advantage to the
(04:30):
people the team with ball in hand. And because of
those two reasons, we didn't have it in uh cost us.
So you know, there's still three key areas and in yeah,
not much to not much that we were overly happy with.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So yeah, Jason Holland from the Blacks coaching staff there
blaming the ref kind of things. And if it sounds
like I'm being a bit harsh on the All Blacks,
it's it's more like I'm just gloating over the fact
that I have been improving exactly right with my rugby
championship predictions. So fair actually recorded on this podcast, I
(05:08):
think a few times. It's where I claim that the
All Blacks would lose one of the games in Argentina,
probably the second one. So and I also just to
remind everybody, I providently expect them to lose both games
to South Africa, which will be at a Black Day
on Eden Park, won't it when that happens? You talk
(05:31):
Zivin hope I'm wrong, now, Jack Tame, I hope he's
wrong about the Middle East, but he probably isn't.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Evil as the strategy might have been. Hamas wanted to
spur an extreme and disproportionate response, motivated by their own
personal agendas and self preservation. Israel's leaders fell for it,
and now we have kids mere minutes from the Mediterranean
with ribs sticking out of their skin, dying from malnutrition.
(06:03):
The thing that I still don't understand is how any
Israeli leader think this will ultimately make their people safer.
Maybe in the short term, sure Israelis can sleep easy
at night, protected by their military, but every innocent person
killed in Gaza breeds hate and five other survivors. The
(06:25):
war in Gaza has condemned generations of Palestinians and Israelis
to insecurity. I'm just going to finish this morning with
it with a line that I wrote and shared with
you immediately after October seventh, which sadly feels just as
relevant today. It's a cycle. Hate and violence is a cycle.
(06:46):
There is no way for any party to kill and
fight their way to a lasting, peaceful resolution. Hamas's attack
has spurred the Israeli reprisal. The reprisal will spur Palestinians
into violence in the future, which in turn will spur
an Israeli reprisal. Rinse the blood and repeat. Hate breeds hate.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And that's how Jack started the show on Saturday. That's
like a fund fun way to get into the weekend, right,
So big boost to the defense spending. What are we
defending ourselves against? And also who's going to actually operate
(07:33):
all these new toys that we've bought? I mean, is
anybody actually in the air force? I thought we didn't
have one anymore.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
These planes have been while the word embarrassment I mentioned
for a few years now, I'd suggest several prime ministers
have been grounded because of it. How long has this
been needed?
Speaker 9 (07:54):
I think it's well over to. I think our defense
force assets have been depleted over a long period, and
it's it's long overdue that we start investing in a
number of our key assets. Are those planes in particular
that you mentioned have, as you say, have been a
standing embarrassment for quite some time. It's about time we've
got some planes that actually will go the distance end
(08:17):
not break down every time they land.
Speaker 8 (08:20):
It's a bit of mix and match with these questions,
because how much of this it's about showing our allies
we're pulling our weight, and how much is about just
developing well restoring functionality in the case of those the
plans we're getting politicians getting around in.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
I think I think it's probably a bit of both,
and then something else as well. The NTSIS three Assessment
or Threat Environment Assessment came out a day or two ago,
and that has highlighted deteriorating security situation that New Zealand
is facing globally.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty well known that
we don't. I mean, our armed forces are really mostly about,
you know, saving people and bloods and helping out when
there's a cyclone in the middle of the Pacific, that
(09:17):
sort of search and rescue. That's what we're about, isn't it.
We're not actually shooting at people to stop being shooting
at us. Sort of a bit like those sort of
trusting people who say that they never locked the front door. Yeah,
just go about their lives hoping that they don't get invaded.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
News talk Ze Bean.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, we're going to finish up with Kewi music legend
Don mclash and so, yeah, he's got his first solo
live album out. I think that's what he was filming
to Deck about on Saturday morning. Take us back a
little bit.
Speaker 10 (09:55):
It was twenty twenty three when you were touring. Tell
us about the recording process for Take It to the Bridge.
Speaker 11 (10:03):
Well, I've never been really into live albums for some reason,
don't a I've been. I must have been part of
the making of a dozen or more studio albums, but
I've never I guess I've never listened to many live albums.
That's the issue. So it sort of surprised me that
in the middle of this tour, or even early on
(10:24):
in the tour with Anita Clark, I suddenly felt this
would be great, This is really special. I should be
we should be recording this. And luckily Bob our sound
man had already been had already started recording everything, and
we had all these cool venues to choose between each
with a different sort of feeling. We did a big
house concert in Carterton, and we did Loons in Littleton
(10:46):
a couple of times, and and the Q Theater in Auckland,
so there's a lot to choose from it. They all
had kind of different audience feel I think. I think
we realized quite early on that it was a sort
of an extraordinary event. I don't know why, but.
Speaker 10 (11:03):
Yeah, and you wanted to capture it, capture it for
posterity's sake, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (11:09):
Or for for our sake in a way. I mean posterity.
Posterities are fairly slippery beasts, so got no idea what
it's going to be interested in. But certainly, certainly, as
we listened to the stuff more and more, we kind
of realized that we were as we played, we were
learning about the songs. And that's a bizarre thing for
me to say, because I've been playing the songs for
(11:31):
so long and patiently explaining to them to anybody who
listened for so long that you wouldn't think that I
would need to learn about them. But yeah, we learned
a lot, and it is a collaborator that really pushes
me hard, and every night's quite different.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 11 (11:47):
It was a great.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Too long time. Listeners to this podcast might be aware
that my first job when I left school was full
time busker, and I took it pretty seriously. Bus for
four hours a day, NonStop. In the middle of the
(12:10):
day of Victoria Street and Hamilton. The young women and
Glassons told me to move on. The bloke from Hollenstein's
came out and said, no, don't move, we love your stuff.
I've got caught in a bit of an interstore staff there.
But the reason that I bring this up was that
(12:31):
it taught me a lot about performing live, and it
taught me that you can always improve because when you're basking,
you need every part of your song to be performance ready,
to be interesting because you never know when somebody's going
to be walking by. You've got their attention for about
ten seconds as they walk past, so you've got to
(12:54):
be doing something that ten seconds. It's going to be
worth them checking a dollar or two in your case.
Sometimes people would give me twenty backs, and that was
back in the day. It didn't happen very often before.
It makes you feel good anyway. That was a weird
walk down memory lane, wasn't it. I'll try not to
(13:15):
be quite so sentimental tomorrow, or a few things current.
Because it's all about the news, really, isn't it. I'll
see it then.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Us Talk is talkings it Bean For more from News
Talk set B listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said, be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Used Talk said, be you Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Being the
week in edition first of yesterday's News. I am Glenn Hart,
and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday, where
many weekends do happen. So the All Black spottled it
exactly as I predicted. Unfortunately Gaza not sorted far from
(00:45):
it that we seem to be totally happy to spend
billions on defense, even though it will ever be enough.
And Don McGlashan was live two years ago, no, three
years ago. He recorded it. Now he's putting it out
(01:06):
and now he's live with Jack as well. Alive Don
before any of that, Hey, guess who the ren fairly
shielholders are. That's right, leave us up along it well, and.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
What are you and Aaron Cruden looking to bring to
this white Coutle side as real veterans of rugby?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, I guess for us, but there's always pressure, but
it probably doesn't fluster us as much anymore. You know,
we're both fathers now we have other commitments and rugby
is just a small part of our lives. It's what
we do and it's not who we are. And I
guess for us trying to get these young boys who
(01:45):
look at rugby as a as a bell and thendor
and sometimes that pressure can get to them, and just
to realize it really is just a game at the
end of the day, and to really enjoy it, because
these moments come a few and far between, you know,
like I've been able to play rugby for sixteen years
as a toe and this is my second challenge at it,
and so to get it this time around on the
(02:07):
second on the can go, it is pretty amazing, and
you know, I'm really going to save at this moment
and enjoy.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It my bit. So the young guys and the team,
I mean, they're you know, they're just full noise, aren't they.
Where did these young guys get their energy from?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh my, I wish I had.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I've only quite a certain amount of dancing to think
most games, but you know, like I know how to
get to the spot quickly and can read the play
and understand where the ball is going to go.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
So I think that just comes off experience.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I remember playing Bevington against a woman much older
than me, and I'd been playing for quite a long time,
but she'd been playing for a lot longer than me,
and I remember being running around all over the court
and she didn't have to move, and I couldn't figure
(02:58):
out how she was doing it. Turns out it's just
being older and having a lot of booty.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Tricks up this league news talk zi been.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Unfortunately, the all Blacks duty tricks got penalized yesterday morning, penalized,
yellow carded basically and as and as usual, no plan B,
no ideas running around like a bunch of headless jokes.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Again, what is front of mind as you reflect on
the performance tonight?
Speaker 6 (03:31):
There's lots of things, friend of mine obviously, just ultimately
really disappointed and in performance. You know, Argentinians played some
good footy, but you know where we're see him. He
has a lot of areas tonight and and a coross.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Us which areas in particular.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Oh look mate, there was you know, a lot of
areas where we didn't perform we wanted to. Obviously, you know,
the Argentinians kicked really well and one the year most times,
which was which is a massive part of the game
these days, and as we've seen from all the rugby
like today with the South African AASI game and our game.
(04:09):
If you can't win the year, then then you lose
a lot of position and you put yourself under pressure.
That's a big point, you know, even like a lot
of our attack and our strike was you know, some
of our lineout stuff was off for an execution, which
meant we couldn't build pressure. And Nick Berry has always
been a referee who you know, gives advantage to the
(04:30):
people the team with ball in hand. And because of
those two reasons, we didn't have it in uh cost us.
So you know, there's still three key areas and in yeah,
not much to not much that we were overly happy with.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So yeah, Jason Holland from the Blacks coaching staff there
blaming the ref kind of things. And if it sounds
like I'm being a bit harsh on the All Blacks,
it's it's more like I'm just gloating over the fact
that I have been improving exactly right with my rugby
championship predictions. So fair actually recorded on this podcast, I
(05:08):
think a few times. It's where I claim that the
All Blacks would lose one of the games in Argentina,
probably the second one. So and I also just to
remind everybody, I providently expect them to lose both games
to South Africa, which will be at a Black Day
on Eden Park, won't it when that happens? You talk
(05:31):
Zivin hope I'm wrong, now, Jack Tame, I hope he's
wrong about the Middle East, but he probably isn't.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Evil as the strategy might have been. Hamas wanted to
spur an extreme and disproportionate response, motivated by their own
personal agendas and self preservation. Israel's leaders fell for it,
and now we have kids mere minutes from the Mediterranean
with ribs sticking out of their skin, dying from malnutrition.
(06:03):
The thing that I still don't understand is how any
Israeli leader think this will ultimately make their people safer.
Maybe in the short term, sure Israelis can sleep easy
at night, protected by their military, but every innocent person
killed in Gaza breeds hate and five other survivors. The
(06:25):
war in Gaza has condemned generations of Palestinians and Israelis
to insecurity. I'm just going to finish this morning with
it with a line that I wrote and shared with
you immediately after October seventh, which sadly feels just as
relevant today. It's a cycle. Hate and violence is a cycle.
(06:46):
There is no way for any party to kill and
fight their way to a lasting, peaceful resolution. Hamas's attack
has spurred the Israeli reprisal. The reprisal will spur Palestinians
into violence in the future, which in turn will spur
an Israeli reprisal. Rinse the blood and repeat. Hate breeds hate.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And that's how Jack started the show on Saturday. That's
like a fund fun way to get into the weekend, right,
So big boost to the defense spending. What are we
defending ourselves against? And also who's going to actually operate
(07:33):
all these new toys that we've bought? I mean, is
anybody actually in the air force? I thought we didn't
have one anymore.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
These planes have been while the word embarrassment I mentioned
for a few years now, I'd suggest several prime ministers
have been grounded because of it. How long has this
been needed?
Speaker 9 (07:54):
I think it's well over to. I think our defense
force assets have been depleted over a long period, and
it's it's long overdue that we start investing in a
number of our key assets. Are those planes in particular
that you mentioned have, as you say, have been a
standing embarrassment for quite some time. It's about time we've
got some planes that actually will go the distance end
(08:17):
not break down every time they land.
Speaker 8 (08:20):
It's a bit of mix and match with these questions,
because how much of this it's about showing our allies
we're pulling our weight, and how much is about just
developing well restoring functionality in the case of those the
plans we're getting politicians getting around in.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
I think I think it's probably a bit of both,
and then something else as well. The NTSIS three Assessment
or Threat Environment Assessment came out a day or two ago,
and that has highlighted deteriorating security situation that New Zealand
is facing globally.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty well known that
we don't. I mean, our armed forces are really mostly about,
you know, saving people and bloods and helping out when
there's a cyclone in the middle of the Pacific, that
(09:17):
sort of search and rescue. That's what we're about, isn't it.
We're not actually shooting at people to stop being shooting
at us. Sort of a bit like those sort of
trusting people who say that they never locked the front door. Yeah,
just go about their lives hoping that they don't get invaded.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
News talk Ze Bean.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, we're going to finish up with Kewi music legend
Don mclash and so, yeah, he's got his first solo
live album out. I think that's what he was filming
to Deck about on Saturday morning. Take us back a
little bit.
Speaker 10 (09:55):
It was twenty twenty three when you were touring. Tell
us about the recording process for Take It to the Bridge.
Speaker 11 (10:03):
Well, I've never been really into live albums for some reason,
don't a I've been. I must have been part of
the making of a dozen or more studio albums, but
I've never I guess I've never listened to many live albums.
That's the issue. So it sort of surprised me that
in the middle of this tour, or even early on
(10:24):
in the tour with Anita Clark, I suddenly felt this
would be great, This is really special. I should be
we should be recording this. And luckily Bob our sound
man had already been had already started recording everything, and
we had all these cool venues to choose between each
with a different sort of feeling. We did a big
house concert in Carterton, and we did Loons in Littleton
(10:46):
a couple of times, and and the Q Theater in Auckland,
so there's a lot to choose from it. They all
had kind of different audience feel I think. I think
we realized quite early on that it was a sort
of an extraordinary event. I don't know why, but.
Speaker 10 (11:03):
Yeah, and you wanted to capture it, capture it for
posterity's sake, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (11:09):
Or for for our sake in a way. I mean posterity.
Posterities are fairly slippery beasts, so got no idea what
it's going to be interested in. But certainly, certainly, as
we listened to the stuff more and more, we kind
of realized that we were as we played, we were
learning about the songs. And that's a bizarre thing for
me to say, because I've been playing the songs for
(11:31):
so long and patiently explaining to them to anybody who
listened for so long that you wouldn't think that I
would need to learn about them. But yeah, we learned
a lot, and it is a collaborator that really pushes
me hard, and every night's quite different.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 11 (11:47):
It was a great.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Too long time. Listeners to this podcast might be aware
that my first job when I left school was full
time busker, and I took it pretty seriously. Bus for
four hours a day, NonStop. In the middle of the
(12:10):
day of Victoria Street and Hamilton. The young women and
Glassons told me to move on. The bloke from Hollenstein's
came out and said, no, don't move, we love your stuff.
I've got caught in a bit of an interstore staff there.
But the reason that I bring this up was that
(12:31):
it taught me a lot about performing live, and it
taught me that you can always improve because when you're basking,
you need every part of your song to be performance ready,
to be interesting because you never know when somebody's going
to be walking by. You've got their attention for about
ten seconds as they walk past, so you've got to
(12:54):
be doing something that ten seconds. It's going to be
worth them checking a dollar or two in your case.
Sometimes people would give me twenty backs, and that was
back in the day. It didn't happen very often before.
It makes you feel good anyway. That was a weird
walk down memory lane, wasn't it. I'll try not to
(13:15):
be quite so sentimental tomorrow, or a few things current.
Because it's all about the news, really, isn't it. I'll
see it then.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Us Talk is talkings it Bean For more from News
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keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
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