September 14, 2025 • 12 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the being the
weekend edition PC of yesterday's news. I'm Glen Hart, and
we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday, which are
the days more weekends, full on than just about any
other we've got. It was a week of bad news
last week, Let's be honest. Hearrible, terrible, terrible news. But
although Jack had some good news this year, and then
(00:49):
Willow Jean Prime versus Erica Stanford, it's not really a
fear fight seem to be. Elizabeth Knox writes Box for
young people, but they sound very heavy. But before any
of that, the yeah, the Empires Ballwen, hasn't it? The
All Blacks not what it used to be? In fact,
(01:09):
are they as bad as they've ever been?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
As I say, sometimes another team just as a worldie,
and that's what the spring Box did after halftime. But
the base level required by the Black jersey is that
you play until the end. And as the points mounted
last night, it looked very much to me from the
sideline as though some of the men in Black had
given up, like they just wanted to get down the
tunnel and get out of there. We are constantly told
(01:35):
by those in the All Blacks environment that the Black
Jersey demands excellence, and that's what the legacy of this
team is built on. Care for the jersey, awareness of
its history, a desire to enhance it while you are
in possession of it. Very few players enhanced that jersey
last night. If we're looking for a shred of consolation
(01:57):
from this, we can perhaps get it from what happened
at Albany in twenty seventeen. The All Blacks beat South
Africa fifty seven neil that night. Two years later South
Africa were World champions, and four years after that they
were World champions again. The All Blacks simply must use
last night as fuel. Those guys have to remember what
last night felt like and allow it to drive them
(02:19):
on to make sure that they never ever, ever, ever
have that feeling again.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It was a bad feeling, to be honest. I only
sort of saw the most of the second half of
the game because I was out doing something more fun
while the beginning of the game was I was at
the Italian film festival look at me anyway. But yeah,
(02:45):
unfortunately I did get home in time to see the
end of the game, and they did. It really did
look like a bunch of school kids playing against an
international team by the end of that game. It was
actually quite pathetic, And I think, I don't know what's
going to happen to get people back on board with
(03:07):
the Orblecks sort of the near religious way that we
used to be, But at the moment, I can't see
it happening. News talk so that really, you know, between
that and the Warriors, they really kept off a week
of terrible news past week. You've got assassinations, You've got
I mean, I suppose good that the Tom Phillips thing
(03:27):
was brought to an end, but bad the way it ended.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
But it's not just the events themselves that were saddening,
but also the way we the public responded to them.
We have a tendency to react without knowing the full story.
We weaponize tragedy politically, and we're easily outraged by a
burnout after shooting a police officer in the head in
front of his child. It was baffling to hear Tom
(03:50):
Phillips being regaled as a folk hero with sorts after
seeing the conditions these children were living in and learning
how he armed them and took them on his many
alleged armed robberies, restricting them from society and family, and
took away their rights to education and medical care. He
doesn't sound much like a hero to me. If the
court injunction preventing information being made public comments from the
(04:13):
police about Phillip's receiving help and the children being in
state care tells us anything, is that this is a
very complicated story, one we will hopefully know more about soon,
because there are plenty of questions to be asked from
the police in Oranga Tamariki's response to the first abduction
through to now, whether the risk to the children was
(04:34):
appropriately assessed, and whether the police have responded in their
best interests over the last four years. But right now,
the most important thing to remember is that there are
young people at the heart of this, young people who
will always be defined by and identified with what has happened,
and protecting them, helping them deal with what they've been
through and adjusting to life again, is the most important thing.
(04:57):
Our two cents on what we think about what's happened,
and the people involved is utterly irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's yeah, and that's social media really once again has
to carry the blame for a lot of this ill
informed commentary that people feel like they need to just unload.
And you have to ask that question, if these people
were actually, you know, publicly in front of people who
(05:26):
can dispute their claims, would they be saying some of
the ridiculous things that they've been saying. Probably not talk right.
Let's put all the bad news and misery aside, the
depressing stuff aside for a bit, because Jack's found the bench.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Hang on what so back in July if a rainfall
at the top of the South Island dislodged a bench
from its spot next to the Tarcica River, And for
those of those of you who know Golden Bay, it's
kind of it's this area near Paines Forward when you're
just coming into Tarcica having driven over the hill, an
area where a lot of the kids like to go
(06:03):
and do mane who's into the river and go swimming.
And it was amorial bench, a bench made of heavy timber,
beautifully crafted to remember a young man named Jack who
passed back in twenty eighteen. But yesterday my mum forded
a post on Facebook through to the Tame Family chat.
Jack's bench had been found after being swept away in
(06:28):
the flooding. It had traveled the six or seven kilometers
down the Tarcica River and then into the ocean into
Golden Bay proper, and then over the space of two months,
the bench had somehow navigated the roughly one hundred and
sixty kilometers from the river mouth across cooked straight somehow
got round Durville Island to wash up, albeit with a
(06:50):
few barnacles on why can I beach on the carpety
coast Kevin Milne Country? But how how to get Jack's
bench back home after such an epic journey. I'll do
it free of charge. Just get in touch, said some
one called Steve on Facebook. A little faith in the
(07:12):
world restored.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Ah, I see back earlier on I was standing Facebook.
But now Howard Steve offered to help find the bench
without Facebook? Trippy, isn't it? The World's not black and white?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Glen Well.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
One thing I'm fairly certain of is Erica Stamford seems
to be a little bit more onto it than Willow
Jenen Prime. I mean, just listen to this, This is
tim talking to her about the meeting she had with
Erica Stanford last week.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Were there any overlaps? We sort of thought that where
you agreed on a few things.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
Not that I can recall. Really, what I was sharing
with the Minister was concerned that I had heard from
the sector regarding the process. As I mentioned, the Minister
did not want to engage on those issues when.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
It aside from the process, What about the substance? Where
did you get to with what you offered them? Her
reception to it?
Speaker 7 (08:16):
Yes, So, as I mentioned to the Minister, her and
I have been copied into a lot of the similar submissions, letters,
survey results, and so the things I was raising with
the minister is how is she going to respond to
the issues and concerns that have been raised from the sector.
In my view, they are legitimate concerns and issues. I
(08:37):
asked her if she would pause the process or give
the process more time so that she could meaningfully engage
with the education sector to address those concerns. It was
clear in the meeting that the Minister did not intend
to do that, and so I emphasized those concerns that
we are hearing more and more educators have come out
(08:58):
raising concerns over the proposal. Over one hundred and twenty
Principles have signed an open letter asking for a pause
of this process.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So there are roughly two and a half thousand schools
in New Zealand. But you know, I guess one hundred
and twenty Principles diep to have a say. I don't know.
Just when I listened to her speak in the way
that she couldn't she said she couldn't recall any areas
(09:27):
with a Remember this meeting happened in the last seven days.
I don't think she should be in charge of anything
anytime soon.
Speaker 8 (09:38):
Do you talk?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Has it been Meanwhile, what Elizabeth Knot is in charge
of is writing books. She's written another one, the first
one in a while for the lucrative young adult.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Market.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
But it sounds like it's pretty heavy going. Why do
you hear what this story is about.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I'm sure that young readers will be absolutely delighted that
you've reached this point. Can you tell us a little
bit about Kings of this World?
Speaker 8 (10:05):
Kings of this World is the Protagon is Vex Magdalene,
and she, at eight years old, was the sole survivor
of a cult massacre and she has been raised in
institutions by experts and then then by a very good
foster family, and it's only in her last year of
(10:28):
high school that she's let out. Now, the thing about
the massacre is that it's the only massacre of people
who are pushed to death. And in this country they
have a kind of an endemic thing going on where
one percent of the population is able to tell other
people what to do and they'll do it. But of
(10:49):
course that's a spectrum, so some people can when the
when the maitre da is an attentive, get a good
table at a restaurant, and other people are able to
do crowd control. So Vex's father was up at the
crowd control end of the spec trum and he also
(11:11):
survived the massacre and then disappeared. Right, And she gets
to go to school in her last year, and the
school that she chooses to go to is the preferred
school of the percentage the people who have pe Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Right, detail as old as time, isn't it, Yep. I
think we've all had times in our life we've.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Been the only.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Survivor of a help messaicre wow. Anyway, Certainly, things that
kids are reading these days. Eh, I am Glen Hat
I read some pretty great stuff and riz again, I'm
gonna be honest with you, and kids might be listening
(11:58):
to this. I'm literally rotting children's minds as we speak. Excellent.
I'll see you back here again with more brain right
like this tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
US Talk is talkings it Bean. For more from US
Talk st B, listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the being the
weekend edition PC of yesterday's news. I'm Glen Hart, and
we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday, which are
the days more weekends, full on than just about any
other we've got. It was a week of bad news
last week, Let's be honest. Hearrible, terrible, terrible news. But
although Jack had some good news this year, and then
(00:49):
Willow Jean Prime versus Erica Stanford, it's not really a
fear fight seem to be. Elizabeth Knox writes Box for
young people, but they sound very heavy. But before any
of that, the yeah, the Empires Ballwen, hasn't it? The
All Blacks not what it used to be? In fact,
(01:09):
are they as bad as they've ever been?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
As I say, sometimes another team just as a worldie,
and that's what the spring Box did after halftime. But
the base level required by the Black jersey is that
you play until the end. And as the points mounted
last night, it looked very much to me from the
sideline as though some of the men in Black had
given up, like they just wanted to get down the
tunnel and get out of there. We are constantly told
(01:35):
by those in the All Blacks environment that the Black
Jersey demands excellence, and that's what the legacy of this
team is built on. Care for the jersey, awareness of
its history, a desire to enhance it while you are
in possession of it. Very few players enhanced that jersey
last night. If we're looking for a shred of consolation
(01:57):
from this, we can perhaps get it from what happened
at Albany in twenty seventeen. The All Blacks beat South
Africa fifty seven neil that night. Two years later South
Africa were World champions, and four years after that they
were World champions again. The All Blacks simply must use
last night as fuel. Those guys have to remember what
last night felt like and allow it to drive them
(02:19):
on to make sure that they never ever, ever, ever
have that feeling again.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It was a bad feeling, to be honest. I only
sort of saw the most of the second half of
the game because I was out doing something more fun
while the beginning of the game was I was at
the Italian film festival look at me anyway. But yeah,
(02:45):
unfortunately I did get home in time to see the
end of the game, and they did. It really did
look like a bunch of school kids playing against an
international team by the end of that game. It was
actually quite pathetic, And I think, I don't know what's
going to happen to get people back on board with
(03:07):
the Orblecks sort of the near religious way that we
used to be, But at the moment, I can't see
it happening. News talk so that really, you know, between
that and the Warriors, they really kept off a week
of terrible news past week. You've got assassinations, You've got
I mean, I suppose good that the Tom Phillips thing
(03:27):
was brought to an end, but bad the way it ended.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
But it's not just the events themselves that were saddening,
but also the way we the public responded to them.
We have a tendency to react without knowing the full story.
We weaponize tragedy politically, and we're easily outraged by a
burnout after shooting a police officer in the head in
front of his child. It was baffling to hear Tom
(03:50):
Phillips being regaled as a folk hero with sorts after
seeing the conditions these children were living in and learning
how he armed them and took them on his many
alleged armed robberies, restricting them from society and family, and
took away their rights to education and medical care. He
doesn't sound much like a hero to me. If the
court injunction preventing information being made public comments from the
(04:13):
police about Phillip's receiving help and the children being in
state care tells us anything, is that this is a
very complicated story, one we will hopefully know more about soon,
because there are plenty of questions to be asked from
the police in Oranga Tamariki's response to the first abduction
through to now, whether the risk to the children was
(04:34):
appropriately assessed, and whether the police have responded in their
best interests over the last four years. But right now,
the most important thing to remember is that there are
young people at the heart of this, young people who
will always be defined by and identified with what has happened,
and protecting them, helping them deal with what they've been
through and adjusting to life again, is the most important thing.
(04:57):
Our two cents on what we think about what's happened,
and the people involved is utterly irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's yeah, and that's social media really once again has
to carry the blame for a lot of this ill
informed commentary that people feel like they need to just unload.
And you have to ask that question, if these people
were actually, you know, publicly in front of people who
(05:26):
can dispute their claims, would they be saying some of
the ridiculous things that they've been saying. Probably not talk right.
Let's put all the bad news and misery aside, the
depressing stuff aside for a bit, because Jack's found the bench.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Hang on what so back in July if a rainfall
at the top of the South Island dislodged a bench
from its spot next to the Tarcica River, And for
those of those of you who know Golden Bay, it's
kind of it's this area near Paines Forward when you're
just coming into Tarcica having driven over the hill, an
area where a lot of the kids like to go
(06:03):
and do mane who's into the river and go swimming.
And it was amorial bench, a bench made of heavy timber,
beautifully crafted to remember a young man named Jack who
passed back in twenty eighteen. But yesterday my mum forded
a post on Facebook through to the Tame Family chat.
Jack's bench had been found after being swept away in
(06:28):
the flooding. It had traveled the six or seven kilometers
down the Tarcica River and then into the ocean into
Golden Bay proper, and then over the space of two months,
the bench had somehow navigated the roughly one hundred and
sixty kilometers from the river mouth across cooked straight somehow
got round Durville Island to wash up, albeit with a
(06:50):
few barnacles on why can I beach on the carpety
coast Kevin Milne Country? But how how to get Jack's
bench back home after such an epic journey. I'll do
it free of charge. Just get in touch, said some
one called Steve on Facebook. A little faith in the
(07:12):
world restored.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Ah, I see back earlier on I was standing Facebook.
But now Howard Steve offered to help find the bench
without Facebook? Trippy, isn't it? The World's not black and white?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Glen Well.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
One thing I'm fairly certain of is Erica Stamford seems
to be a little bit more onto it than Willow
Jenen Prime. I mean, just listen to this, This is
tim talking to her about the meeting she had with
Erica Stanford last week.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Were there any overlaps? We sort of thought that where
you agreed on a few things.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
Not that I can recall. Really, what I was sharing
with the Minister was concerned that I had heard from
the sector regarding the process. As I mentioned, the Minister
did not want to engage on those issues when.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
It aside from the process, What about the substance? Where
did you get to with what you offered them? Her
reception to it?
Speaker 7 (08:16):
Yes, So, as I mentioned to the Minister, her and
I have been copied into a lot of the similar submissions, letters,
survey results, and so the things I was raising with
the minister is how is she going to respond to
the issues and concerns that have been raised from the sector.
In my view, they are legitimate concerns and issues. I
(08:37):
asked her if she would pause the process or give
the process more time so that she could meaningfully engage
with the education sector to address those concerns. It was
clear in the meeting that the Minister did not intend
to do that, and so I emphasized those concerns that
we are hearing more and more educators have come out
(08:58):
raising concerns over the proposal. Over one hundred and twenty
Principles have signed an open letter asking for a pause
of this process.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So there are roughly two and a half thousand schools
in New Zealand. But you know, I guess one hundred
and twenty Principles diep to have a say. I don't know.
Just when I listened to her speak in the way
that she couldn't she said she couldn't recall any areas
(09:27):
with a Remember this meeting happened in the last seven days.
I don't think she should be in charge of anything
anytime soon.
Speaker 8 (09:38):
Do you talk?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Has it been Meanwhile, what Elizabeth Knot is in charge
of is writing books. She's written another one, the first
one in a while for the lucrative young adult.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Market.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
But it sounds like it's pretty heavy going. Why do
you hear what this story is about.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I'm sure that young readers will be absolutely delighted that
you've reached this point. Can you tell us a little
bit about Kings of this World?
Speaker 8 (10:05):
Kings of this World is the Protagon is Vex Magdalene,
and she, at eight years old, was the sole survivor
of a cult massacre and she has been raised in
institutions by experts and then then by a very good
foster family, and it's only in her last year of
(10:28):
high school that she's let out. Now, the thing about
the massacre is that it's the only massacre of people
who are pushed to death. And in this country they
have a kind of an endemic thing going on where
one percent of the population is able to tell other
people what to do and they'll do it. But of
(10:49):
course that's a spectrum, so some people can when the
when the maitre da is an attentive, get a good
table at a restaurant, and other people are able to
do crowd control. So Vex's father was up at the
crowd control end of the spec trum and he also
(11:11):
survived the massacre and then disappeared. Right, And she gets
to go to school in her last year, and the
school that she chooses to go to is the preferred
school of the percentage the people who have pe Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Right, detail as old as time, isn't it, Yep. I
think we've all had times in our life we've.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Been the only.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Survivor of a help messaicre wow. Anyway, Certainly, things that
kids are reading these days. Eh, I am Glen Hat
I read some pretty great stuff and riz again, I'm
gonna be honest with you, and kids might be listening
(11:58):
to this. I'm literally rotting children's minds as we speak. Excellent.
I'll see you back here again with more brain right
like this tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
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Talk st B, listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
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