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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean the
weekend edition, first of Yesterday's News. I am Brian Hart,
and we're looking back at not just yesterday Sunday, but
the day before yesterday, Saturday.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Amazing. All right, Jack Tame approves what a Philistini is.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
By denying some technology that's available to him. The all
blacks YadA YadA, yadah blah blah blah. And Stuart Copeland,
the former drummer of the Police Not for Law Keeping
organization of the band, is now on a speaking to it.
But before any of that, Palestine, I know you. Oh no, no, no,
(01:07):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Mister Peter Is also stated that Recognition at this time,
we also think is open to political manipulation by Hamas
and Israel. Hammas believes it's winning the global propaganda war
in Israel, claims recognition rewards terrorism and removes the pressure
on Hamas to negotiate a ceasefire and return hostages. But
you got to remember you might be disappointed, but the
(01:29):
most important thing is that regardless of statehood recognition, New
Zealand remains a staunch advocate of the two state solution
and a defender of Palestine's right to self determination. But
if its action not words the government wants, why aren't
we doing more than contributing ten million in aid and
leaving it up to a passive US, the only country
with sway in this region to address the situation. Shouldn't
(01:53):
the government at least be looking at sanctions which should
make an impact, albeit small, on a social and economic
level to Israel. Tariffs, travel in trade bands, freezing assets
and disinvestment and companies complicit in the war may also
go so some way to holding the Israeli government to account.
Recognition might be a symbolic gesture that doesn't have much
(02:14):
practical value, but making no effort to get off the
fence and doing nothing at all will be unacceptable to
an increasing number of New Zealanders.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I don't know how I feel about being forced and
to have an opinion about things.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'll just let that's it.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, if I was in charge, I'd be kicking my
head down and trying not to say anything about anything.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Ever, I think we've achieved a lot by doing that
sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Us talk z been.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Okay, so should we have should we not have?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Jeffrey Miller joined Robert Patman and Tim Beveridges today afternoon.
I think he said that we should have said that
Dalstein is a thing.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Sounds a bit silly when you say it like that,
doesn't it. So do you what do you disagree with us?
I'm guessing you do.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I just do you disagree with New Zealand not recognizing
it right now?
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Well, I think there's so much in favor of going
for the recognition right now, and I think standing with
New Zealand's partners such as Australia, in the United Kingdom
and Canada is one argument. The fact that we had
that recent poll that showed that forty two percent of
New Zealanders are in favor. Okay, not a majority, but
it's plurality. Twenty two percent were against. And as a
(03:35):
measure of showing solidarity, I think here not just with
the Palestinians, but with the Arab world, the Muslim world,
bearing in mind that many many countries in this Muslim
world and the Arab world have recognized the Palestinian state
since nineteen eighty eight. And I think the point is
why recognize the Palestinian state now, I mean, mister Peters,
it does make some arguments that have somewheret with regards
(03:59):
to the fact that there are no recognized borders. Is
not a viable state, no effective governance. Where you have
to look at the reason why that is, and that
is because Israel is occupying have large parts of Palestinian
territory and they're doing everything possible at the moment to
make a Palestinian state impossible and many Minettigno, who spoke
(04:19):
several hours before Winston Peters yesterday, said that it would
be national suicide to allow the creation of a Palestinian state,
and he very much said that he was, that he
was against it, that the State of Israel was against
the creation of a Palestinian state ever in the future.
So I think it's a collective an expression of collective
(04:39):
will of the international community to go for the recognition
recognition of a Palestinian state.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Right now, I was just watching Ndnahu being interviewed on
Fox News actually like literally just minutes before starting and
recording this. He seems to be enjoying everything a little
bit too much for my liking you just wish that
he'd look a little bit bummed out that, you know,
so many people are dying, so many buildings are being
(05:06):
blown up, so much of these disputed territories are being
reduced to rebel. He seems happy enough, which is I
would have thought that's a problem anyway.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
You talk, said right, So Jack Tame was talking.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I don't know who was specifically talking Apple watches or
smart watches generally, but he's not a fan of sleep
tracking for some reason.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
You can buy a smart water bottle that will score
your hydration. You can be scored on your light exposure.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You can be.
Speaker 8 (05:42):
Scored on your posture. Apparently, if you're really curious, there
is even a market in devices that will score individuals
sexual well being. Just maybe don't google limit work. But
to me at least, there is a fundamental contradiction at
the heart of the sleep score concept. If I'm having
(06:03):
a bad night's sleep, if something's keeping me up, few
things are guaranteed to make it worse than knowing I'm
being assessed. I just know that I'd get anxious. I
would stress out even more. I would toss and turn
and flip my pillow back and forth and for what,
(06:23):
just to read a number in the morning that tells
me what I already know. The thing is, I don't
need a smart watch or a special ring. I don't
need a wearable to know that I've had a bad
night's sleep. I know because I feel bad. So I
should have gone to bed earlier, or shouldn't have had
that late afternoon coffee. I should have turned off those
(06:46):
other screens and devices before getting between the sheets, thank you.
But instead of looking up a score, I'll just turn
to a mirror instead.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I think hastory shows us that people who just sort
of rail against new technology.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Are often left behind a little bit.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean, you know, nobody's forcing them to use it
or to take any notice of it. And what I
can say from experience is that I was a terrible snorer.
And the interesting thing about sleep tracking, especially using it
it was a Galaxy Watch Ultra and the Samsung Galaxy.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Phones and tandem.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
They can actually record your snoring and show you exactly
how long you spent snoring at night. And you know,
that's quite interesting to show that sort of a problem.
It'll also most smart watches these days will warn you
of irregular breathing patterns while you sleep, so that possibly
(07:58):
means you've got sleep at near and you might need
to go and see somebody about that before you die
in your sleep, because dying in your sleep isn't always good.
It's not bad if you're like ninety nine something, but
if you're only thirty nine, you might want to look
at it. So anyway, it's weird, Yeah, doesn't I mean,
(08:18):
he doesn't have to do it, but to say that
it's sort of generally a bad thing, I think he's
on the wrong track there. Oh, by the way, I
went and got a thing that I stick in my
mouth and pulled my tongue out while I'm a sleep
and that stopped it straight away. I went from storing
sometimes some nights over two hours, which obviously is not
very RESTful for me, and is even less breathful for
(08:39):
domestic manager who most nights are snoring only a matter
of minutes of that. All, Yeah, you have to do
that anyway, I hope if you've been losing sleep over
the state of the All Blacks, I guess you can
sleep a little easier after this weekend.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Just on the referee and there's been a bit of
chat about his performance and in particular a few complaints
on the other side of the Tasman about the number
of penalties that were handed out, the yellow card for
Harry Potter and other decisions made last night. Was sure
a valuation of the referee.
Speaker 9 (09:10):
I she thought it was really good because he was proactive.
You know, we could often hear his voice down and
waits in terms of explaining what's happening as the game
is unfolding, So he wasn't blowing it up and then explaining.
He was giving some productive vocals to the players, and
I thought that was really good. He's never going to
get through a Test match with the way the rucker
(09:31):
is so complicated these days, but obviously thought, you know,
for the most part, he got things right. He penalized
teams for entry a lot, some of the guys who
were losing feet, but also the side entry both teams
in that phase. He tied it up in need a
tackle area. And I think the game flowed pretty well.
I mean, it was some really nice attacking movements throughout
(09:52):
the game from both teams, and you know, referee contributes
to that flow. So look, he had a really good game.
I can't understand you know, when a thing gets penalless
more than the other, you scrutinize a lot more closely
what a referee does. But you know I gave him
a big tech mark boot tech plasma.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So yeah, a former All Black half back and Strawn there.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I think it might be the first time I've ever
heard a halfback say anything nice about a referee.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So that's quite hysteric.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I'm sure it's got nothing to do with the fact
that it benefited us and didn't benefit this failure.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I didn't see the game. I was doing something much
more fun.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I was out of the show news talk z bean
is watching a former pop band drummer talk? Is that
more fun than going to a show or going to
the rugby? It might be if it's Stuart Copeland.
Speaker 8 (10:43):
Tell us about the show because I spoken word to her.
I suppose it's a different kind of creative outlet.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well it is.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It's talking instead of banging stuff, which requires a little
more brain power. You know, Usually when I'm behind the
drums banging stuff, it doesn't take a lot of intellectual
exercise necessarily, But here actually having to form sentences and
sign there's a little more challenging. But Fortunately, in my
seventy something years, I've had a couple of adventures which
(11:15):
are fun to talk about.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
Yeah, it must be. It must be so nice to
be able to kind of purposefully sit down with an
audience who is so keen to hear those stories and
actually reflect on them in an active way.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well, yeah, you know, it's much better than chatting to
somebody at a cocktail party or or any form of conversation.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I've noticed that that singers, front persons and bands are
often very shy, and the reason that they're become front
persons is because armed with a five jillion watt PA,
conversations are easier.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, it is hard for a drama to go solo,
wasn't It doesn't happen very often. Phil Collins famous that
it would be the most famous one probably. I guess
Dave Roll didn't really go solo. He just sort of
stopped drumming and started playing everything.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Else and singing and forming his own band. And I
think he has got a bit of solo stuff out. Yeah,
he's been pretty successful. Ever, it doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I can't play the drums, and most people who have
heard me would say that I can't sing either, so
I guess I'll just have to stay doing this for now,
and I'll do this again Petermorrow's.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Think Used Talk is Talking Said Beam. For more from
News Talk Said b listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said Bee
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said, be you Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean the
weekend edition, first of Yesterday's News. I am Brian Hart,
and we're looking back at not just yesterday Sunday, but
the day before yesterday, Saturday.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Amazing. All right, Jack Tame approves what a Philistini is.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
By denying some technology that's available to him. The all
blacks YadA YadA, yadah blah blah blah. And Stuart Copeland,
the former drummer of the Police Not for Law Keeping
organization of the band, is now on a speaking to it.
But before any of that, Palestine, I know you. Oh no, no, no,
(01:07):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Mister Peter Is also stated that Recognition at this time,
we also think is open to political manipulation by Hamas
and Israel. Hammas believes it's winning the global propaganda war
in Israel, claims recognition rewards terrorism and removes the pressure
on Hamas to negotiate a ceasefire and return hostages. But
you got to remember you might be disappointed, but the
(01:29):
most important thing is that regardless of statehood recognition, New
Zealand remains a staunch advocate of the two state solution
and a defender of Palestine's right to self determination. But
if its action not words the government wants, why aren't
we doing more than contributing ten million in aid and
leaving it up to a passive US, the only country
with sway in this region to address the situation. Shouldn't
(01:53):
the government at least be looking at sanctions which should
make an impact, albeit small, on a social and economic
level to Israel. Tariffs, travel in trade bands, freezing assets
and disinvestment and companies complicit in the war may also
go so some way to holding the Israeli government to account.
Recognition might be a symbolic gesture that doesn't have much
(02:14):
practical value, but making no effort to get off the
fence and doing nothing at all will be unacceptable to
an increasing number of New Zealanders.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I don't know how I feel about being forced and
to have an opinion about things.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I'll just let that's it.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, if I was in charge, I'd be kicking my
head down and trying not to say anything about anything.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Ever, I think we've achieved a lot by doing that
sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Us talk z been.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Okay, so should we have should we not have?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Jeffrey Miller joined Robert Patman and Tim Beveridges today afternoon.
I think he said that we should have said that
Dalstein is a thing.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Sounds a bit silly when you say it like that,
doesn't it. So do you what do you disagree with us?
I'm guessing you do.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I just do you disagree with New Zealand not recognizing
it right now?
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Well, I think there's so much in favor of going
for the recognition right now, and I think standing with
New Zealand's partners such as Australia, in the United Kingdom
and Canada is one argument. The fact that we had
that recent poll that showed that forty two percent of
New Zealanders are in favor. Okay, not a majority, but
it's plurality. Twenty two percent were against. And as a
(03:35):
measure of showing solidarity, I think here not just with
the Palestinians, but with the Arab world, the Muslim world,
bearing in mind that many many countries in this Muslim
world and the Arab world have recognized the Palestinian state
since nineteen eighty eight. And I think the point is
why recognize the Palestinian state now, I mean, mister Peters,
it does make some arguments that have somewheret with regards
(03:59):
to the fact that there are no recognized borders. Is
not a viable state, no effective governance. Where you have
to look at the reason why that is, and that
is because Israel is occupying have large parts of Palestinian
territory and they're doing everything possible at the moment to
make a Palestinian state impossible and many Minettigno, who spoke
(04:19):
several hours before Winston Peters yesterday, said that it would
be national suicide to allow the creation of a Palestinian state,
and he very much said that he was, that he
was against it, that the State of Israel was against
the creation of a Palestinian state ever in the future.
So I think it's a collective an expression of collective
(04:39):
will of the international community to go for the recognition
recognition of a Palestinian state.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Right now, I was just watching Ndnahu being interviewed on
Fox News actually like literally just minutes before starting and
recording this. He seems to be enjoying everything a little
bit too much for my liking you just wish that
he'd look a little bit bummed out that, you know,
so many people are dying, so many buildings are being
(05:06):
blown up, so much of these disputed territories are being
reduced to rebel. He seems happy enough, which is I
would have thought that's a problem anyway.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
You talk, said right, So Jack Tame was talking.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I don't know who was specifically talking Apple watches or
smart watches generally, but he's not a fan of sleep
tracking for some reason.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
You can buy a smart water bottle that will score
your hydration. You can be scored on your light exposure.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You can be.
Speaker 8 (05:42):
Scored on your posture. Apparently, if you're really curious, there
is even a market in devices that will score individuals
sexual well being. Just maybe don't google limit work. But
to me at least, there is a fundamental contradiction at
the heart of the sleep score concept. If I'm having
(06:03):
a bad night's sleep, if something's keeping me up, few
things are guaranteed to make it worse than knowing I'm
being assessed. I just know that I'd get anxious. I
would stress out even more. I would toss and turn
and flip my pillow back and forth and for what,
(06:23):
just to read a number in the morning that tells
me what I already know. The thing is, I don't
need a smart watch or a special ring. I don't
need a wearable to know that I've had a bad
night's sleep. I know because I feel bad. So I
should have gone to bed earlier, or shouldn't have had
that late afternoon coffee. I should have turned off those
(06:46):
other screens and devices before getting between the sheets, thank you.
But instead of looking up a score, I'll just turn
to a mirror instead.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I think hastory shows us that people who just sort
of rail against new technology.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Are often left behind a little bit.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean, you know, nobody's forcing them to use it
or to take any notice of it. And what I
can say from experience is that I was a terrible snorer.
And the interesting thing about sleep tracking, especially using it
it was a Galaxy Watch Ultra and the Samsung Galaxy.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Phones and tandem.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
They can actually record your snoring and show you exactly
how long you spent snoring at night. And you know,
that's quite interesting to show that sort of a problem.
It'll also most smart watches these days will warn you
of irregular breathing patterns while you sleep, so that possibly
(07:58):
means you've got sleep at near and you might need
to go and see somebody about that before you die
in your sleep, because dying in your sleep isn't always good.
It's not bad if you're like ninety nine something, but
if you're only thirty nine, you might want to look
at it. So anyway, it's weird, Yeah, doesn't I mean,
(08:18):
he doesn't have to do it, but to say that
it's sort of generally a bad thing, I think he's
on the wrong track there. Oh, by the way, I
went and got a thing that I stick in my
mouth and pulled my tongue out while I'm a sleep
and that stopped it straight away. I went from storing
sometimes some nights over two hours, which obviously is not
very RESTful for me, and is even less breathful for
(08:39):
domestic manager who most nights are snoring only a matter
of minutes of that. All, Yeah, you have to do
that anyway, I hope if you've been losing sleep over
the state of the All Blacks, I guess you can
sleep a little easier after this weekend.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Just on the referee and there's been a bit of
chat about his performance and in particular a few complaints
on the other side of the Tasman about the number
of penalties that were handed out, the yellow card for
Harry Potter and other decisions made last night. Was sure
a valuation of the referee.
Speaker 9 (09:10):
I she thought it was really good because he was proactive.
You know, we could often hear his voice down and
waits in terms of explaining what's happening as the game
is unfolding, So he wasn't blowing it up and then explaining.
He was giving some productive vocals to the players, and
I thought that was really good. He's never going to
get through a Test match with the way the rucker
(09:31):
is so complicated these days, but obviously thought, you know,
for the most part, he got things right. He penalized
teams for entry a lot, some of the guys who
were losing feet, but also the side entry both teams
in that phase. He tied it up in need a
tackle area. And I think the game flowed pretty well.
I mean, it was some really nice attacking movements throughout
(09:52):
the game from both teams, and you know, referee contributes
to that flow. So look, he had a really good game.
I can't understand you know, when a thing gets penalless
more than the other, you scrutinize a lot more closely
what a referee does. But you know I gave him
a big tech mark boot tech plasma.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So yeah, a former All Black half back and Strawn there.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I think it might be the first time I've ever
heard a halfback say anything nice about a referee.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So that's quite hysteric.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I'm sure it's got nothing to do with the fact
that it benefited us and didn't benefit this failure.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I didn't see the game. I was doing something much
more fun.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I was out of the show news talk z bean
is watching a former pop band drummer talk? Is that
more fun than going to a show or going to
the rugby? It might be if it's Stuart Copeland.
Speaker 8 (10:43):
Tell us about the show because I spoken word to her.
I suppose it's a different kind of creative outlet.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well it is.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It's talking instead of banging stuff, which requires a little
more brain power. You know, Usually when I'm behind the
drums banging stuff, it doesn't take a lot of intellectual
exercise necessarily, But here actually having to form sentences and
sign there's a little more challenging. But Fortunately, in my
seventy something years, I've had a couple of adventures which
(11:15):
are fun to talk about.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
Yeah, it must be. It must be so nice to
be able to kind of purposefully sit down with an
audience who is so keen to hear those stories and
actually reflect on them in an active way.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well, yeah, you know, it's much better than chatting to
somebody at a cocktail party or or any form of conversation.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I've noticed that that singers, front persons and bands are
often very shy, and the reason that they're become front
persons is because armed with a five jillion watt PA,
conversations are easier.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, it is hard for a drama to go solo,
wasn't It doesn't happen very often. Phil Collins famous that
it would be the most famous one probably. I guess
Dave Roll didn't really go solo. He just sort of
stopped drumming and started playing everything.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Else and singing and forming his own band. And I
think he has got a bit of solo stuff out. Yeah,
he's been pretty successful. Ever, it doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I can't play the drums, and most people who have
heard me would say that I can't sing either, so
I guess I'll just have to stay doing this for now,
and I'll do this again Petermorrow's.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Think Used Talk is Talking Said Beam. For more from
News Talk Said b listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcast on iHeartRadio
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