November 9, 2025 • 13 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from the weekend on Newstalk ZB) Any Cheaper and They'd Be Giving it Away/Take Your Star and Deep Fry It/More Movies, Please/Late Let-Off/On the AI Bandwagon
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean the
weekid edition, first of yesterday's News. I am Glenn Heart.
We're looking back at Sunday and Saturday. So if you
add those up, that adds up to two days.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Niche one stars are they all are cracked up.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
To be.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This whole tax breaks for movie making? Turns out we're
only catching up with the rest of the world on
that All Blacks Lucky Escape against Scotland and Michael Connolly
very successful author. He's got a new one out and
it's about AI What isn't these days? But before any
of that, we're all on met you can't get enough
(01:08):
of it and Paul Goldsmith's going to do something about it.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
That wastewater testing. The numbers there are seven hundred and
thirty two kilos in twenty twenty three, three to fourteen
hundred and thirty four. How on earth does it is
it escalating so quickly?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Well, yeah, there's a number of things going on. Has
been a big increase in supply globally, and that's put
the price down, and there's a bit of a debate
to be had with it appears that it's a similar
number of people taking twice as much myth, and that's
what's going through to the system, But of course it
(01:46):
could also be some new users as well, and that's
what's concerning us.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Where is it coming from?
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Do you think all over where?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
We were out at the customs place this afternoon, and
you know, some of the legitimate supply routes there's in
you know, sort of working its way into all sorts
of things coming through legitimate channels, but there's also an
increased flow from South America and in Southeast Asia as well.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
We're basically importing it one way or another.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yes, And so you look, the point of the action
plan is recognizing the scourge that myth has in our
communities and there's sort of three core elements to it.
Stopping it at the border, so dialing up our response there. Secondly,
dealing with the distribution within New Zealand, which is, you know,
dealing with organized crime and the gangs. And then thirdly,
(02:40):
of course you can do those two things as much
as you like, but if there's still a huge demand
for it. Then that's a problem.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It's always disturbed me the wastewater testing, not so much
the results of it, but just the fact that that's
somewhey's job.
Speaker 8 (02:55):
The fossor through the wastewater and.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
See what kind of drugs are in it. Is that
something that that person who has to do that always
thought that they would end up doing. Grew up and
they're a kid, can't wait to have a lot through
the wastewater.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
News talk ze been a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Of talk about Michelin Stars last week. I think the
situation is we're going to pay for the Michelin people
to come and see if our restaurants deserved them, and
then as a knock on effect of that, you had
various hosts talking about the Michelin Star restaurants that they'd
been to. Is in a sort of a humble brag scenario.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
We don't do fussy, we don't do fiddley. We want
a more casual, relaxed style that kind of befits our culture.
Really good ingredients, cooked well and more often than not,
designed to be shared. And it's funny as incredible as
my night was all those years ago at eleven Madison
Park the single best meal of my life. Wasn't it
(03:58):
a Michelin starred restaurant. There were no white tablecloths, There
was no Somalia curated wine list, no Old World New World.
It was in a tiny, legally questionable fire trap of
an apartment in Paris that my best mate called his home.
I had flown in with another friend the day before,
(04:19):
and the three of us had gone for a long
jog by the sind to try and kick the jet lag.
On the way back home, we stopped by one of
the local farmers' markets and picked up some gooey cheese,
some tomatoes, some salami, and some bagette. We sprawled out
on the floor of the apartment, still grubby and sweaty,
(04:39):
cutting off hunks of each and stuffing them into our mouths.
It was heaven. And that's the thing about the best meals. Ultimately,
the best meals are not made with the truffle moose,
or the poached Dodo's egg, or even the inflated pigs bladder.
(05:01):
That's not what makes the magic people mate the meg.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I asked my husking keys. I think he only eats
at Michelin star restaurants, which and this will obviously make
it more convenient for him if we've got some here
in New Zealand, because otherwise it's going to get all
that stuff shipped in. It's a lot of that's a
lot of shipping costs there. I think it's like he
(05:30):
doesn't have a very big ever, but thought he doesn't
eat match so I think that sort of balances it
out a bit. But yeah, from everything I asked him
last week, you know, do things taste better just because
you know that it is a Michelin Star restaurant?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I can't remember what he said here anyway, you know
what they say about New Zealand. Come for the Michelin
Star restaurants, stay for the cheap movie production.
Speaker 9 (05:57):
It's all possibly a bit late. We still lag behind
the rest of the world who were also actively trying
to remain competitive. Australia has increased their rebate to four
twenty percent, Ireland is at thirty two percent, the UK
twenty nine percent, and Canada is up to twenty nine percent.
As I mentioned, the house we have here in New
Zealand is twenty five But it is a pragmatic step
(06:20):
in the right direction and it is good to see
the government taking action to create a more competitive and
sustainable industry which employs Kiwis and generates business and adds
to economic growth. Every dollar invested through the rebate delivers
about two point two dollars forty in return to the
wider economy, and that's through wages and services and international
exposure and look the international productions they employ the majority
(06:42):
of screen workers in New Zealand. It has been a
tough year for many who work in the screen industry.
For the world's big players who are looking to potentially
bring projects to New Zealand, this hopefully is the nudge
they need to commit.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I think it was a bit of a wake up call,
wasn't it when they moved that second season of The
Lord of the Rings TV show away from New Zealand
Because we just assume that we were Middle Earth and
there was a noble He asked, could do you know
Mordor and mister NaN's and all that stuff? But it
turned out you can just make that stuff anyway, bloody movies.
(07:21):
It's not even like our real things, right. Did you
get out and watch the All Blacks almost Loose to
Scotland yesterday morning?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Either?
Speaker 5 (07:31):
How gatted Will Scotland be to let a really good
opportunity slip to finally beat the All Blacks.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Yeah, very gutted, very gutted the press conference, so only
two applause too. I mean you felt for the guy
he was, you know, he's beside himself and you can
understand why. It's been a lot of long time and
we've been close to you guys in the past, you know,
the last couple of years, but I think you know,
it really felt like we had you on the ropes,
didn't It was about twenty minutes to go, and I
think in the past we've got closest, maybe because we've
(08:00):
scored a try against the run of player kind of
sneaked up on you. But as this time you kind
of felt, you'll, felt like we'd would find crossed that
fal step but didn't quite make it.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
So what was it that prevented that from happening? Have
you been able to sort of analyze and break down
what happened that allowed the All Blacks to get away
with this one?
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Yeah, we talked about it bit after the game. I
think it was it was a fifty to twenty two
from Demon McKenzie. I think Demon McKenzie you know, it'st
only called it a gut punch, you know, and then
he scored to try himself for this amazing finish at
the end. So I mean, I don't think, you know,
we worried that Scotland are bottler as we talk about,
you know, we bottled big games. I think actually you
have to give credit to the All Blacks. Their bench
(08:42):
had a bigger impact and Demon mackenzie was the man
for the moment in fairness. So in that sense, while
we're gutted, I think it's slightly easier to take that.
You know, it was just in the end probably the
better team one.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Very Scottish, isn't it Very pragmatic and yeah, just so
wid Claire. Nobody ever thought that thought I was going
to win that game, all right, So yeah, it wasn't
a missed opportunity at all. Ef that we look great
for getting as closes as we did. Nice attitude, Scotland, love.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Your work, news talk it been.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I quite like Michael Connolly's. I don't know that I've
actually read that many Michael Connolly's, to be honest, I
think I've probably seen more movies and TV programs that
have been based on his books than actually read his books.
But there's a new one which is sort of about AI.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Sounds quite interesting, really feels like you have taken on
what is set to be the issue of the time.
So tell us, how did you get interested in artificial intelligence?
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Well? I think I have a history of being interested
in technological advances. And you know, for every great discovery
and invention and move forward with technology, there's always somebody
out there who is looking to turn it against us,
you know. So I usually use my reporter Jack McVoy
(10:10):
that character to explore this stuff. And I've done the
Internet and DNA analytics and data storage da da DA,
and you know, so AI was like kind of prime
for me, I think. And uh, there was a couple
of cases that really caught my eye that made me,
you know, say, yeah, I know AI is going to
(10:31):
change the world for the better, but are we moving
too fast or is there is there you know, should
we really understand what's going on out there? And these
involved young people being encouraged, I guess it's the right word, uh,
to do things that were really bad, like harm themselves
or harm others. And they they broken the news a
(10:54):
couple of years ago, and so it started there, and
then in the process of writing this book, things like
this we're breaking in the news almost every week, and
so it's kind of become come to a head at
the moment. And uh so, you know, the proving Ground
is an exploration of it. You know, I don't want
to say it's didactic, didactic or tells anyone how to think,
(11:17):
but it does you know, maybe raise a flag and say,
take a look at this.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Well, I think it. Yeah, I think it explores some
of the inherent ethical complexity that comes with the technology. Right,
and so how do you how do you think about
that ethical complexity with some of the other technological subjects
that you focused on in the past, because, like you say,
this is not the first time you've had your eye
(11:43):
keenly focused on the technology of the moment.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Yeah. I mean, as I said before, I usually use
this journalist character that I've created, but this time where
I found out about these incidences were usually through the
filing of lawsuits, and so it struck me as something
that should be in Mickey Haller's court. And of course
I bring Jack McAvoy into it as a lesseraracter, because
(12:10):
that's what I've been doing with him in the past.
But yeah, it just seemed like the construct of a
courtroom where both sides have to say you know, and
you can hopefully build some tension and surprises and things
like that. It just seemed perfect for that that stage,
(12:30):
that that square room.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
What would have been awesome if you'd seed I to
be honest, I literally just used IOI to write this book.
I sort of lean a bit more heavily on AI
these days than I ever used to. I didn't think
it wasn't until you started talking about it that I
found out what it was about. They get a bit
(12:53):
carried away with these made up scenarios in my head sometimes.
Sorry about it, I'll be back tomorrow. I was gonna
say it would be a little bit, little bit least
silly tomorrow, but that we would
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Not For more from Newstalk st B, listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said Bee
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk said be you Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean the
weekid edition, first of yesterday's News. I am Glenn Heart.
We're looking back at Sunday and Saturday. So if you
add those up, that adds up to two days.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Niche one stars are they all are cracked up.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
To be.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This whole tax breaks for movie making? Turns out we're
only catching up with the rest of the world on
that All Blacks Lucky Escape against Scotland and Michael Connolly
very successful author. He's got a new one out and
it's about AI What isn't these days? But before any
of that, we're all on met you can't get enough
(01:08):
of it and Paul Goldsmith's going to do something about it.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
That wastewater testing. The numbers there are seven hundred and
thirty two kilos in twenty twenty three, three to fourteen
hundred and thirty four. How on earth does it is
it escalating so quickly?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Well, yeah, there's a number of things going on. Has
been a big increase in supply globally, and that's put
the price down, and there's a bit of a debate
to be had with it appears that it's a similar
number of people taking twice as much myth, and that's
what's going through to the system, But of course it
(01:46):
could also be some new users as well, and that's
what's concerning us.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Where is it coming from?
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Do you think all over where?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
We were out at the customs place this afternoon, and
you know, some of the legitimate supply routes there's in
you know, sort of working its way into all sorts
of things coming through legitimate channels, but there's also an
increased flow from South America and in Southeast Asia as well.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
We're basically importing it one way or another.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yes, And so you look, the point of the action
plan is recognizing the scourge that myth has in our
communities and there's sort of three core elements to it.
Stopping it at the border, so dialing up our response there. Secondly,
dealing with the distribution within New Zealand, which is, you know,
dealing with organized crime and the gangs. And then thirdly,
(02:40):
of course you can do those two things as much
as you like, but if there's still a huge demand
for it. Then that's a problem.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It's always disturbed me the wastewater testing, not so much
the results of it, but just the fact that that's
somewhey's job.
Speaker 8 (02:55):
The fossor through the wastewater and.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
See what kind of drugs are in it. Is that
something that that person who has to do that always
thought that they would end up doing. Grew up and
they're a kid, can't wait to have a lot through
the wastewater.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
News talk ze been a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Of talk about Michelin Stars last week. I think the
situation is we're going to pay for the Michelin people
to come and see if our restaurants deserved them, and
then as a knock on effect of that, you had
various hosts talking about the Michelin Star restaurants that they'd
been to. Is in a sort of a humble brag scenario.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
We don't do fussy, we don't do fiddley. We want
a more casual, relaxed style that kind of befits our culture.
Really good ingredients, cooked well and more often than not,
designed to be shared. And it's funny as incredible as
my night was all those years ago at eleven Madison
Park the single best meal of my life. Wasn't it
(03:58):
a Michelin starred restaurant. There were no white tablecloths, There
was no Somalia curated wine list, no Old World New World.
It was in a tiny, legally questionable fire trap of
an apartment in Paris that my best mate called his home.
I had flown in with another friend the day before,
(04:19):
and the three of us had gone for a long
jog by the sind to try and kick the jet lag.
On the way back home, we stopped by one of
the local farmers' markets and picked up some gooey cheese,
some tomatoes, some salami, and some bagette. We sprawled out
on the floor of the apartment, still grubby and sweaty,
(04:39):
cutting off hunks of each and stuffing them into our mouths.
It was heaven. And that's the thing about the best meals. Ultimately,
the best meals are not made with the truffle moose,
or the poached Dodo's egg, or even the inflated pigs bladder.
(05:01):
That's not what makes the magic people mate the meg.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I asked my husking keys. I think he only eats
at Michelin star restaurants, which and this will obviously make
it more convenient for him if we've got some here
in New Zealand, because otherwise it's going to get all
that stuff shipped in. It's a lot of that's a
lot of shipping costs there. I think it's like he
(05:30):
doesn't have a very big ever, but thought he doesn't
eat match so I think that sort of balances it
out a bit. But yeah, from everything I asked him
last week, you know, do things taste better just because
you know that it is a Michelin Star restaurant?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I can't remember what he said here anyway, you know
what they say about New Zealand. Come for the Michelin
Star restaurants, stay for the cheap movie production.
Speaker 9 (05:57):
It's all possibly a bit late. We still lag behind
the rest of the world who were also actively trying
to remain competitive. Australia has increased their rebate to four
twenty percent, Ireland is at thirty two percent, the UK
twenty nine percent, and Canada is up to twenty nine percent.
As I mentioned, the house we have here in New
Zealand is twenty five But it is a pragmatic step
(06:20):
in the right direction and it is good to see
the government taking action to create a more competitive and
sustainable industry which employs Kiwis and generates business and adds
to economic growth. Every dollar invested through the rebate delivers
about two point two dollars forty in return to the
wider economy, and that's through wages and services and international
exposure and look the international productions they employ the majority
(06:42):
of screen workers in New Zealand. It has been a
tough year for many who work in the screen industry.
For the world's big players who are looking to potentially
bring projects to New Zealand, this hopefully is the nudge
they need to commit.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I think it was a bit of a wake up call,
wasn't it when they moved that second season of The
Lord of the Rings TV show away from New Zealand
Because we just assume that we were Middle Earth and
there was a noble He asked, could do you know
Mordor and mister NaN's and all that stuff? But it
turned out you can just make that stuff anyway, bloody movies.
(07:21):
It's not even like our real things, right. Did you
get out and watch the All Blacks almost Loose to
Scotland yesterday morning?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Either?
Speaker 5 (07:31):
How gatted Will Scotland be to let a really good
opportunity slip to finally beat the All Blacks.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Yeah, very gutted, very gutted the press conference, so only
two applause too. I mean you felt for the guy
he was, you know, he's beside himself and you can
understand why. It's been a lot of long time and
we've been close to you guys in the past, you know,
the last couple of years, but I think you know,
it really felt like we had you on the ropes,
didn't It was about twenty minutes to go, and I
think in the past we've got closest, maybe because we've
(08:00):
scored a try against the run of player kind of
sneaked up on you. But as this time you kind
of felt, you'll, felt like we'd would find crossed that
fal step but didn't quite make it.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
So what was it that prevented that from happening? Have
you been able to sort of analyze and break down
what happened that allowed the All Blacks to get away
with this one?
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Yeah, we talked about it bit after the game. I
think it was it was a fifty to twenty two
from Demon McKenzie. I think Demon McKenzie you know, it'st
only called it a gut punch, you know, and then
he scored to try himself for this amazing finish at
the end. So I mean, I don't think, you know,
we worried that Scotland are bottler as we talk about,
you know, we bottled big games. I think actually you
have to give credit to the All Blacks. Their bench
(08:42):
had a bigger impact and Demon mackenzie was the man
for the moment in fairness. So in that sense, while
we're gutted, I think it's slightly easier to take that.
You know, it was just in the end probably the
better team one.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Very Scottish, isn't it Very pragmatic and yeah, just so
wid Claire. Nobody ever thought that thought I was going
to win that game, all right, So yeah, it wasn't
a missed opportunity at all. Ef that we look great
for getting as closes as we did. Nice attitude, Scotland, love.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Your work, news talk it been.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I quite like Michael Connolly's. I don't know that I've
actually read that many Michael Connolly's, to be honest, I
think I've probably seen more movies and TV programs that
have been based on his books than actually read his books.
But there's a new one which is sort of about AI.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Sounds quite interesting, really feels like you have taken on
what is set to be the issue of the time.
So tell us, how did you get interested in artificial intelligence?
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Well? I think I have a history of being interested
in technological advances. And you know, for every great discovery
and invention and move forward with technology, there's always somebody
out there who is looking to turn it against us,
you know. So I usually use my reporter Jack McVoy
(10:10):
that character to explore this stuff. And I've done the
Internet and DNA analytics and data storage da da DA,
and you know, so AI was like kind of prime
for me, I think. And uh, there was a couple
of cases that really caught my eye that made me,
you know, say, yeah, I know AI is going to
(10:31):
change the world for the better, but are we moving
too fast or is there is there you know, should
we really understand what's going on out there? And these
involved young people being encouraged, I guess it's the right word, uh,
to do things that were really bad, like harm themselves
or harm others. And they they broken the news a
(10:54):
couple of years ago, and so it started there, and
then in the process of writing this book, things like
this we're breaking in the news almost every week, and
so it's kind of become come to a head at
the moment. And uh so, you know, the proving Ground
is an exploration of it. You know, I don't want
to say it's didactic, didactic or tells anyone how to think,
(11:17):
but it does you know, maybe raise a flag and say,
take a look at this.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Well, I think it. Yeah, I think it explores some
of the inherent ethical complexity that comes with the technology. Right,
and so how do you how do you think about
that ethical complexity with some of the other technological subjects
that you focused on in the past, because, like you say,
this is not the first time you've had your eye
(11:43):
keenly focused on the technology of the moment.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Yeah. I mean, as I said before, I usually use
this journalist character that I've created, but this time where
I found out about these incidences were usually through the
filing of lawsuits, and so it struck me as something
that should be in Mickey Haller's court. And of course
I bring Jack McAvoy into it as a lesseraracter, because
(12:10):
that's what I've been doing with him in the past.
But yeah, it just seemed like the construct of a
courtroom where both sides have to say you know, and
you can hopefully build some tension and surprises and things
like that. It just seemed perfect for that that stage,
(12:30):
that that square room.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
What would have been awesome if you'd seed I to
be honest, I literally just used IOI to write this book.
I sort of lean a bit more heavily on AI
these days than I ever used to. I didn't think
it wasn't until you started talking about it that I
found out what it was about. They get a bit
(12:53):
carried away with these made up scenarios in my head sometimes.
Sorry about it, I'll be back tomorrow. I was gonna
say it would be a little bit, little bit least
silly tomorrow, but that we would
Speaker 1 (13:03):
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air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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