November 25, 2025 • 14 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Tuesday on Newstalk ZB) Stop Making the Same Decisions Three Times/Going Feral/What Is a Paper Road?/Happy Horns
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at tuesday. Government be councils. It's really
went up a notch yesterday, so we'll be following that
pretty closely. Feral cats. Government hates cats as well as councils.
(00:47):
What is a paper road? I'm try and find out.
And Marcus admits to stalking someone. I think I think
that's sort of what happens at the end of the podcast,
so it'll be worth sticking around for. But yes, so
central government versus regional government that this I mean they've
(01:11):
been proposing a cap on rates right to begin with.
Is this the beginning of the end for councils? One
can a hope they are cutting their cloth.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Tim mcindo and Hamilton I spoke to the Tatadhoom mayor yesterday.
They all say the same thing. We are doing the basics.
We've cut the silly stuff and we don't know how
this is going to work without bankrupting local government. RMA
reforms will be a big part of this. Luxon's talking
about amalgamation. If there are fewer consents needed or consents
(01:39):
are streamlined. Do we need so many councils with a
back office bigger than Kim Kay's booty? Probably not so.
Less work, especially for regional councils. Could lipose some cost
out of the system, that'd be good. Then there's the
back office more generally now the Tadoo mayor, his name's
Scott Gilmore, interstant guy. He made a good point that
about double up that we've got going on. We have
(02:01):
something like sixty seven territorial authorities in New Zealand. All
have their own finance department, All have their own comms teams,
not that they talk to us, All have their own
legal teams. The full kit and kaboodle. Can they combine
the back office a bunch across a bunch of councils
and save some cash that way? He reckons they can,
(02:25):
and to his credit, he's already talking to his neighbors
about doing exactly that. But even with no frills and
just upkeep on the basics, residents are still staring down
the barrel of double digit rate increases or at least
north of seven percent, which as we know is more
than inflation. So a rates cap, like a move on
order for rowdy rough sleepers on Queen Street might sound
(02:48):
like a good idea. But is it fixing a problem
or simply moving it down the road for somebody else
to have to clean up.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
No, I think they're just saying they're going to do
the cleaning up. They're going to do everything, aren't they.
That's the way I've read it. And stop double handling,
you know, making one decision in Wellington and then another
decision and whatever sit your town urine makes sense to me?
News talk has it been anyway? As the day went
(03:16):
on yesterday it all went up a gear and yeah,
and the things that regional councils anyway, they're definitely under
the gun. That an expression under the gun.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
The y Cuttle Regional Council's Healthy Rivers Plan Change one,
I know, let's just call it PC one for short.
PC one at last count has cost twenty three million dollars.
That was about three years ago. The plan is not
even fully implemented yet, so you can add to that
twenty three million dollars Now that is just the plan
(03:48):
for the rivers and the y Cuttle. It's not the
plan for rivers anywhere else in the country. It's for
nothing else in the y Cuttle. It is just for
the rivers in the y Cuttle. And it's already cost
twenty three million dollars. Bear in mind, every single region,
and there are eleven of them, makes its own plans,
So you could take that twenty three million dollars, you
just add to it. Around this country, we're just backing
(04:08):
up the millions. This stuff, as I said, takes years.
The Wycutor River plann PC one that was notified in
twenty sixteen, a decade on, it's still not in full
operation because of appeals and all kinds of wrangles around it.
And this is where huge amounts of the rates that
you pay are wasted. Right, So scrapping the regional councils
is potentially a massive, massive saving for us. If the
(04:31):
NATS then replace I mean, the question is what do
they replace it with. If they then replace the regional
councils with a system where maybe we have just one
set of rules, or four sets of rules, or ten
sets of rules that regions can choose from pre written
rules that they can roll out that they don't have
the plan themselves, rather than designing their own that may
in fact be a better system. Now the devil is
in the detail, which we are yet to see and
(04:52):
are apparently going to see later this afternoon. But so
far this has the potential to be some of the
best news for this country.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, by the time you get
to a regional council you're basically triple handling everything. Come on, guys,
there aren't that many people in New Zealand and we
don't need as much government use talk. See I'm not
quite sure who's deciding what to do what about feral cats,
but I wish somebody would decide something.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Trapping, desexing, and freeing feral cats was the strategy of
choice of the wealthy cat ladies who were my neighbors
when I was living next to a big park in
Freeman's Bay in Auckland. There's beautifully dressed women would take
it in turns. There was a roster to go around
Western Park, trapping the cats, taking them to the vets,
(05:39):
paying for them to be d sex and then they'd
set them free again. Oh yes, they'll kill a few
birds and ultimately it will be a problem solved in
the future. They couldn't bear to see the cats put down,
even humanly, but they could live with desexing them, knowing
that there wouldn't be future cats who would be living
(06:00):
on the edges of the city. I just don't think
it's a viable option given how many feral cats there
are in New Zealand. Nobody knows how many, range from
two and a half million to fourteen million. Is so
wide it makes the meaningless. But we do need to
be able to treat feral animals as pests. Cats and
(06:26):
dogs who belong to a family get all the protection
in the world. You desect them, you microchip them, you
love them. Cats and dogs that are neglected, unloved and
have turned feral, they should be fair game.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I kind of agree, except if they're like really cute,
because I mean, there are feral cats, and there are
feral cats. When I saw a little cat and we're
out walking a dog the other day, and of course
the dog wasn't very heavy about it. The cat, it
was so cute, and I don't know if it was
feral or not. It was sort of in a place
that might lead you to believe that it was feral,
(07:06):
didn't have a collar or anything on. Always a bit
of a towel, isn't it, Although ip cats that have
refused to wear collars and they would only go feral
if you tried to put one on them. It's complicated,
isn't it right? So I know that this has been
itching your brain, getting under your skin, this question of
(07:31):
what actually is a paper road? What do you mean
you don't want I'm talking about now? I don't know
what it was, just something that Tyler was talking about yesterday.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Now, Tyler, this morning you came into work and you
said to me, You says Matt. He says, man, I
want to talk about paper roads. I said, what's a
paper road? I never even heard of a paper road
in my entire life, and yet I'm now completely engrossed
with paper road stories. They're incredible.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
So to explain it, and this is my own words,
they are simply part of the legal road network that
is not formed or maintained by the road in authority.
So for local roads that is your local council. For
state highways, it's MZ TOA.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
So these are paper roads that have just been put
across the map. Sometimes they've been done, you know, in
the mid eighteen fifty or earlier, and they they're not
up kept by anyone, so they've never been. They may
have been a road they thought they might have been
one day, we're going to be tarmacked, but they never were.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Correct yep, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
So just gravel, they're just sometimes he just tracks sometimes
straight up bush.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
So to give you a little bit of history, around
eighteen forty, Queen Victoria issued instructions to Governor Hobson, and
the thirty forty third instruction was to appoint a survey
at General who would report particular lands to reserve or
to be surveyed for public roads or other internal communications,
whether by land or water. So effectively, Governor Hobson just
had a look at a map of New Zealand, he
(08:52):
might have not even been in the country, just from England,
and said, we think there should be some roads along
this area and this area, and then boom, they became
effectively paper roads.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I still don't know what's going on. I'm going to
be perfectly honest. I'm more worried about the opposite kind
of a road, which is the road that is there
but doesn't appear on your map. I don't know if
you've run into this before, if you've got a late
model car but not a really late model car. So
(09:24):
domestic manager has a twenty nineteen Red four and it's
got your entertainment system in it, and it's got your
GPS that the GPS is completely useless because it hasn't
been updated since we bought it, so it's essentially five
or six years old. The map's in there, and you
quite often look down at it and see that you're
driving on not a road. There's no road on the map,
(09:45):
as you're just in the middle of nowhere. Except what's
really weird about that is that some of the roads
definitely have been there longer than that passic example. I
think if you're driving on the Kaimise, the road that
goes over there, which has been there for quite some time,
it shows you that you're nowhere. So I don't know
where they're getting more information from, or perhaps we've slipped
(10:09):
into a parallel dimension with those roads actually do not
exist and we just think that we're driving on them.
Has the podcast taken unnecessarily weird turned It probably has,
And what happens next probably isn't going.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
To help news talk ze been because.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It turns out that Marcus is an over user of
his car horn, and what's worse, he might even be
a stalker.
Speaker 8 (10:36):
So today I'm going to I had a function earlier
this morning, and I was got out before the function
and on the right hand lane, wanting to turn to
my right, and the lane I am in is just
(10:57):
for people that are turning, and I was waiting for
an arrow to turn behind another car turning right behind
another car, and a lane that just turns right in
a traffic light control of the section, and the light
(11:19):
goes green and the arrow goes on. Well, the green
arrow goes on and the car in front of me
does not move for the whole cycle. So I don't
know what's going on for them, but it's none of
my business. They just weren't going anywhere, so I gave
them a little bit of a toot. I don't want
(11:41):
to do an aggressive toot, but you never know how
your tooth comes across when you're outside the car. I
think by the stage the light had gone read, so
it to write a whole nother cycle before they went anyway.
The woman a hit, and I think it was a
woman because the sort of detective bob. She turned left
and I followed her then because I was going somewhere unusual.
(12:06):
The next four turns I made were against the flow,
and I tried to indicate early because it seemed weird,
and I thought I suspected she thought I was following her,
but I wasn't. And for four times we did this,
(12:27):
and after the fourth turn, she kind did a funny
swerve and took off in another way. Obviously she's freaked
out that I was following her, but I was just
sticking with my path. I was going nowhere unusual. I
was just doing and going where away just happened to
(12:49):
line up perfectly where she was going. And the weird
thing was we were going to unusual places. It wasn't
the four tunes in a row that most people would take. Jeep,
it's creepy. She thinks I'm chasing her. Nothing could be
further from the truth anyway, So she took off sort
of in a panic. I think there's not much you
(13:10):
can do. Then there's not a happy horn to say, hey,
look I'm just I'm actually just going about my business.
I've let it go back at the traffic light five
minutes ago. I've moved on from there.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I don't know that we have all been in that position.
And I do wonder if because there is an interception
down from work here in Auckland, where you might be
trying to turn left because there's a buff lane on
the left hand side. It's also the same lane are's
people going straight and obviously you can't go left until
(13:39):
you get a left signal, but there might be people
behind you who are wanting to go straight and they'll
often honk at you. So I don't even go that
way anymore. I can't stand the Hongkong and Marcus is right.
You can get different horns. I mean people, you know,
especially truck drivers, they've had different sounding air horns. The
(13:59):
dukes of Hazard had that bit leurderd. Although I think
that's out of favor now, that one, because it's I
think it's racist. It's promoting slavery. Yeah, with a horn,
like Marcus says, you can say a lot with a horn.
I mean, even if you've just got the normal horn,
I think you can go a little quick too, as
(14:20):
opposed to you know what I mean. And that's all
just using the same I think he just needs to
practice a little bit more. Probably what's going on there
And that's the Horn Appreciation Society podcast for another day.
Who knows what instruments can be playing tomorrow. If there's
(14:43):
only one way to find out, come back and listen
to News Talks.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
We've been there, used talks, Talks it been.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
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You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said B.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at tuesday. Government be councils. It's really
went up a notch yesterday, so we'll be following that
pretty closely. Feral cats. Government hates cats as well as councils.
(00:47):
What is a paper road? I'm try and find out.
And Marcus admits to stalking someone. I think I think
that's sort of what happens at the end of the podcast,
so it'll be worth sticking around for. But yes, so
central government versus regional government that this I mean they've
(01:11):
been proposing a cap on rates right to begin with.
Is this the beginning of the end for councils? One
can a hope they are cutting their cloth.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Tim mcindo and Hamilton I spoke to the Tatadhoom mayor yesterday.
They all say the same thing. We are doing the basics.
We've cut the silly stuff and we don't know how
this is going to work without bankrupting local government. RMA
reforms will be a big part of this. Luxon's talking
about amalgamation. If there are fewer consents needed or consents
(01:39):
are streamlined. Do we need so many councils with a
back office bigger than Kim Kay's booty? Probably not so.
Less work, especially for regional councils. Could lipose some cost
out of the system, that'd be good. Then there's the
back office more generally now the Tadoo mayor, his name's
Scott Gilmore, interstant guy. He made a good point that
about double up that we've got going on. We have
(02:01):
something like sixty seven territorial authorities in New Zealand. All
have their own finance department, All have their own comms teams,
not that they talk to us, All have their own
legal teams. The full kit and kaboodle. Can they combine
the back office a bunch across a bunch of councils
and save some cash that way? He reckons they can,
(02:25):
and to his credit, he's already talking to his neighbors
about doing exactly that. But even with no frills and
just upkeep on the basics, residents are still staring down
the barrel of double digit rate increases or at least
north of seven percent, which as we know is more
than inflation. So a rates cap, like a move on
order for rowdy rough sleepers on Queen Street might sound
(02:48):
like a good idea. But is it fixing a problem
or simply moving it down the road for somebody else
to have to clean up.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
No, I think they're just saying they're going to do
the cleaning up. They're going to do everything, aren't they.
That's the way I've read it. And stop double handling,
you know, making one decision in Wellington and then another
decision and whatever sit your town urine makes sense to me?
News talk has it been anyway? As the day went
(03:16):
on yesterday it all went up a gear and yeah,
and the things that regional councils anyway, they're definitely under
the gun. That an expression under the gun.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
The y Cuttle Regional Council's Healthy Rivers Plan Change one,
I know, let's just call it PC one for short.
PC one at last count has cost twenty three million dollars.
That was about three years ago. The plan is not
even fully implemented yet, so you can add to that
twenty three million dollars Now that is just the plan
(03:48):
for the rivers and the y Cuttle. It's not the
plan for rivers anywhere else in the country. It's for
nothing else in the y Cuttle. It is just for
the rivers in the y Cuttle. And it's already cost
twenty three million dollars. Bear in mind, every single region,
and there are eleven of them, makes its own plans,
So you could take that twenty three million dollars, you
just add to it. Around this country, we're just backing
(04:08):
up the millions. This stuff, as I said, takes years.
The Wycutor River plann PC one that was notified in
twenty sixteen, a decade on, it's still not in full
operation because of appeals and all kinds of wrangles around it.
And this is where huge amounts of the rates that
you pay are wasted. Right, So scrapping the regional councils
is potentially a massive, massive saving for us. If the
(04:31):
NATS then replace I mean, the question is what do
they replace it with. If they then replace the regional
councils with a system where maybe we have just one
set of rules, or four sets of rules, or ten
sets of rules that regions can choose from pre written
rules that they can roll out that they don't have
the plan themselves, rather than designing their own that may
in fact be a better system. Now the devil is
in the detail, which we are yet to see and
(04:52):
are apparently going to see later this afternoon. But so
far this has the potential to be some of the
best news for this country.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, by the time you get
to a regional council you're basically triple handling everything. Come on, guys,
there aren't that many people in New Zealand and we
don't need as much government use talk. See I'm not
quite sure who's deciding what to do what about feral cats,
but I wish somebody would decide something.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Trapping, desexing, and freeing feral cats was the strategy of
choice of the wealthy cat ladies who were my neighbors
when I was living next to a big park in
Freeman's Bay in Auckland. There's beautifully dressed women would take
it in turns. There was a roster to go around
Western Park, trapping the cats, taking them to the vets,
(05:39):
paying for them to be d sex and then they'd
set them free again. Oh yes, they'll kill a few
birds and ultimately it will be a problem solved in
the future. They couldn't bear to see the cats put down,
even humanly, but they could live with desexing them, knowing
that there wouldn't be future cats who would be living
(06:00):
on the edges of the city. I just don't think
it's a viable option given how many feral cats there
are in New Zealand. Nobody knows how many, range from
two and a half million to fourteen million. Is so
wide it makes the meaningless. But we do need to
be able to treat feral animals as pests. Cats and
(06:26):
dogs who belong to a family get all the protection
in the world. You desect them, you microchip them, you
love them. Cats and dogs that are neglected, unloved and
have turned feral, they should be fair game.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I kind of agree, except if they're like really cute,
because I mean, there are feral cats, and there are
feral cats. When I saw a little cat and we're
out walking a dog the other day, and of course
the dog wasn't very heavy about it. The cat, it
was so cute, and I don't know if it was
feral or not. It was sort of in a place
that might lead you to believe that it was feral,
(07:06):
didn't have a collar or anything on. Always a bit
of a towel, isn't it, Although ip cats that have
refused to wear collars and they would only go feral
if you tried to put one on them. It's complicated,
isn't it right? So I know that this has been
itching your brain, getting under your skin, this question of
(07:31):
what actually is a paper road? What do you mean
you don't want I'm talking about now? I don't know
what it was, just something that Tyler was talking about yesterday.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Now, Tyler, this morning you came into work and you
said to me, You says Matt. He says, man, I
want to talk about paper roads. I said, what's a
paper road? I never even heard of a paper road
in my entire life, and yet I'm now completely engrossed
with paper road stories. They're incredible.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
So to explain it, and this is my own words,
they are simply part of the legal road network that
is not formed or maintained by the road in authority.
So for local roads that is your local council. For
state highways, it's MZ TOA.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
So these are paper roads that have just been put
across the map. Sometimes they've been done, you know, in
the mid eighteen fifty or earlier, and they they're not
up kept by anyone, so they've never been. They may
have been a road they thought they might have been
one day, we're going to be tarmacked, but they never were.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Correct yep, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
So just gravel, they're just sometimes he just tracks sometimes
straight up bush.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
So to give you a little bit of history, around
eighteen forty, Queen Victoria issued instructions to Governor Hobson, and
the thirty forty third instruction was to appoint a survey
at General who would report particular lands to reserve or
to be surveyed for public roads or other internal communications,
whether by land or water. So effectively, Governor Hobson just
had a look at a map of New Zealand, he
(08:52):
might have not even been in the country, just from England,
and said, we think there should be some roads along
this area and this area, and then boom, they became
effectively paper roads.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I still don't know what's going on. I'm going to
be perfectly honest. I'm more worried about the opposite kind
of a road, which is the road that is there
but doesn't appear on your map. I don't know if
you've run into this before, if you've got a late
model car but not a really late model car. So
(09:24):
domestic manager has a twenty nineteen Red four and it's
got your entertainment system in it, and it's got your
GPS that the GPS is completely useless because it hasn't
been updated since we bought it, so it's essentially five
or six years old. The map's in there, and you
quite often look down at it and see that you're
driving on not a road. There's no road on the map,
(09:45):
as you're just in the middle of nowhere. Except what's
really weird about that is that some of the roads
definitely have been there longer than that passic example. I
think if you're driving on the Kaimise, the road that
goes over there, which has been there for quite some time,
it shows you that you're nowhere. So I don't know
where they're getting more information from, or perhaps we've slipped
(10:09):
into a parallel dimension with those roads actually do not
exist and we just think that we're driving on them.
Has the podcast taken unnecessarily weird turned It probably has,
And what happens next probably isn't going.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
To help news talk ze been because.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It turns out that Marcus is an over user of
his car horn, and what's worse, he might even be
a stalker.
Speaker 8 (10:36):
So today I'm going to I had a function earlier
this morning, and I was got out before the function
and on the right hand lane, wanting to turn to
my right, and the lane I am in is just
(10:57):
for people that are turning, and I was waiting for
an arrow to turn behind another car turning right behind
another car, and a lane that just turns right in
a traffic light control of the section, and the light
(11:19):
goes green and the arrow goes on. Well, the green
arrow goes on and the car in front of me
does not move for the whole cycle. So I don't
know what's going on for them, but it's none of
my business. They just weren't going anywhere, so I gave
them a little bit of a toot. I don't want
(11:41):
to do an aggressive toot, but you never know how
your tooth comes across when you're outside the car. I
think by the stage the light had gone read, so
it to write a whole nother cycle before they went anyway.
The woman a hit, and I think it was a
woman because the sort of detective bob. She turned left
and I followed her then because I was going somewhere unusual.
(12:06):
The next four turns I made were against the flow,
and I tried to indicate early because it seemed weird,
and I thought I suspected she thought I was following her,
but I wasn't. And for four times we did this,
(12:27):
and after the fourth turn, she kind did a funny
swerve and took off in another way. Obviously she's freaked
out that I was following her, but I was just
sticking with my path. I was going nowhere unusual. I
was just doing and going where away just happened to
(12:49):
line up perfectly where she was going. And the weird
thing was we were going to unusual places. It wasn't
the four tunes in a row that most people would take. Jeep,
it's creepy. She thinks I'm chasing her. Nothing could be
further from the truth anyway, So she took off sort
of in a panic. I think there's not much you
(13:10):
can do. Then there's not a happy horn to say, hey,
look I'm just I'm actually just going about my business.
I've let it go back at the traffic light five
minutes ago. I've moved on from there.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I don't know that we have all been in that position.
And I do wonder if because there is an interception
down from work here in Auckland, where you might be
trying to turn left because there's a buff lane on
the left hand side. It's also the same lane are's
people going straight and obviously you can't go left until
(13:39):
you get a left signal, but there might be people
behind you who are wanting to go straight and they'll
often honk at you. So I don't even go that
way anymore. I can't stand the Hongkong and Marcus is right.
You can get different horns. I mean people, you know,
especially truck drivers, they've had different sounding air horns. The
(13:59):
dukes of Hazard had that bit leurderd. Although I think
that's out of favor now, that one, because it's I
think it's racist. It's promoting slavery. Yeah, with a horn,
like Marcus says, you can say a lot with a horn.
I mean, even if you've just got the normal horn,
I think you can go a little quick too, as
(14:20):
opposed to you know what I mean. And that's all
just using the same I think he just needs to
practice a little bit more. Probably what's going on there
And that's the Horn Appreciation Society podcast for another day.
Who knows what instruments can be playing tomorrow. If there's
(14:43):
only one way to find out, come back and listen
to News Talks.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
We've been there, used talks, Talks it been.
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