December 14, 2025 • 13 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from the weekend on Newstalk ZB) Is It Pay-Per-View?/A Ban In the Right Direction/Are Tests Still Value for Money?/Alan Again
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean the
weekend edition, first of yesterday's news. I am Bean Hart,
and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday. It's
much easier when weekends have an consecutive days. We've got
the social media band and the one that's in effect
in Australia, a one that may come into effects if
(00:46):
they ever get round to it. Here the back Caps
seem to be traveling pretty well right now, and Alan
Davies is back again. He seems to be on newsbooks
be every second day. Before any of that. The big
willis versus Richardson's stoush. Is it on or isn't it on?
Here's the willis half of the equation anyway, what's.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Going on with this debate with Ruth Richardson? It seems
to have taken a life of its own. Who's picking
the fight and where are we at with it?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well, I'm king to have a proper policy debate. As
I said earlier, enough of these silly, childish gains with
fluds boxes and the like. Actually, ours is a government
that has a very proud track record of reducing wasteful spending,
of ensuring that spending is a proportion of the economy
is coming down. That we're going to get that Betkas
bending down. So I get a bit fed up with
(01:37):
the taxpayers Unions falsely comparing me to Grant Robertson. I
want the chance to defend our government's record, to put
out there the hard work we've done, the forty three
billion dollars worth of savings we've delivered, also ensuring that, yes,
and I'm not ashamed of this, we are putting more
investment into the health system, into the education system, into
our defense source, into our police, those priorities for our government.
(02:01):
And the Taxpayers Union may take issue with that, but
I think that's actually what New Zealanders expect from us.
So I want to that and debate it and real terms,
not in sludgebox turns.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Because I mean, they'll chalk it up as a wind
because they've got under your skin that they're going to
have a debate with you, Now, wouldn't they.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well I just see this as me saying, you know what,
I am going to stand up for myself and I'm
not going to sit back and let you pop shop
from the sidelines. Come on frontap have the actual debate
on the actual substance. And I'm prepared to do that
pretty readily because I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Wow. I feel like it's a little bit late in
the year for the smart jagro. Now we just let
it go. News talk ze been anyway. Some people send
to be into it. Francesca Snail's blood, He's got the blood.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Last up.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Do we want politicians who always thinking about themselves, taking
a strategic proof approach and crafting their message to avoid transparence,
or would you prefer a finance minister prepared to openly
discuss one of the main issues concerning New Zealander is
today the state of the economy with someone who was
trying to undermine her. New Zealand Herald's political editor Thomas
Cogland does an excellent job of explaining what's behind this
(03:23):
situation in his article titled Ruth Richardson versus Nikola Willis
the facts behind the argument. Essentially, after a financial crisis
or shock, it's accepted that governments spend more to get
through the box end up in a bit of a mess.
But once that economy has restarted, what's on the other
side of the shock, fiscal consolidation kicks in the budget's titan,
so the country is ready for the next financial shock.
(03:45):
What is to be debated is whether the current coalition
is moving fast enough when it comes to this fiscal consolidation.
Will we be ready for the next financial shock? We
know we have challenges ahead, with two of the nine
ones being our aging populations, impact on our house system
and increasing cost of superannuation.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So do we.
Speaker 7 (04:03):
Increase taxes, reduce spending and afflict the social costs of austerity,
or do we risk taking this slow approach to getting
back on track with less negative impact on our communities.
As long as it's civil, it sounds like something worth debating.
But it needs to be a debate which doesn't get personal,
nasty or derogatory, one on which each debater expresses their
values and the reasoning behind their approach, backs their thinking
(04:25):
with evidence and outlays a long term vision for New Zealand.
This is the kind of discourse we should be having.
Let's get an independent economist to run this debate and
get on with it. If nothing else, it could be
highly entertaining something we could all look forward to or
enjoy at this time of year.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Yees.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So I'm not sure whether this is going to be
broadcast on news channels or or the sports channels who
normally does the UFC? Is it a pay per view situation?
Should we arrange a group of people to go down
to the pub and watch it there? Yeah, that's very strange,
(05:04):
isn't it?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
News talk?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Right, So Australia's Social Media band came into effect last
week and now, of course the inevitab all should we
do it here? This question is being asked.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
There are thousands of different platforms nate, hundreds of thousands,
millions maybe on the Internet where young people can still
post and interact. YouTube has argued that it isn't social
media at all. You can still access many videos without
an account and read It is taking legal action arguing
that its platform is totally different to many of the others.
(05:44):
All of us appreciate that teenagers are industrious. Right, you
can try and play whack a mole and ban every
new platform that pops up, but obviously some of them
are going to find ways around the law, just as
anyone who got their hands on alcohol or cigarettes before
their eighteenth birthday will attest. But supporters of the law say, actually,
(06:05):
that is a pretty good analogy. No one is suggesting
that the ban is going to stop every last kid
from accessing social media, but it generally makes it more
difficult with the most popular platforms. Truthfully, I don't know
(06:25):
how effective this law is going to be. I don't know.
I understand the impulse to want to protect children. I
was a big supporter of banning phones and schools. I
think that unregulated social media has been disastrous, but this
is super, super complex. I think the sensible thing for
(06:45):
New Zealand to do is to wait, not forever, but
just take six months, take a year, learn from the Australians,
observe closely the unintended impacts of the law, what works
well and what doesn't, and then make a call. And
even if we do act in the future with booze
(07:08):
or with cigarettes, truthfully, the state can only do so much.
And look, it's easy to say this now, perhaps come
back to me in five or ten years or when
my kids are a bit older, But the primary responsibility
for keeping kids safe in the digital age cannot fall
to governments or legislators. The responsibility is with us.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Can we just switch it off the whole internet? I mean,
I think we've given it a decent go, but you're
gonna stand more harm than good, right, So obviously disappointing
(07:54):
for people who are planning a couple of days in
the sunshine and Wellington over the weekend watching a bit
of test cricket because it all wrapped up on Friday,
didn't it. Here's good, old dependable, old Gavin Larson be
on short short tests they used to the last five
days these things, didn't they.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Much as I'm sure many cricket fans would have enjoyed
a day or two in the sunshine on the bank
at the base and this weekend. How pleased were you
with the sides performance to win that second Test so convincingly?
Speaker 8 (08:25):
Yeah, look absolutely thrilled because that was hard graft down
at Hagley in that first test. On on actually sitting
there now finally watching Tennant retake on Auckland and in
a funk of shehell game and they're here to say
there's a few less people sitting on the bank. But
again it's all about you know, starting to blood some
(08:46):
of these newer guys and they have domestic game and
there's some good talent on show. But that was really
hard draft in that first Test. So to bounce back
so well at the basin and as you've alluded to
Emiraby let bowling wise by you know, Jacob Duffy, it
was Yeah. I found it quite compelling and great viewing.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Given the resistance the West and he showed in the
second innings to draw that first Test in christ Jurche.
Did you have any concern that a very inexperienced bowling
attack at Test level might struggle to get you twenty
wickets in Wellington?
Speaker 8 (09:23):
I'm not sure i'd use the word concerns, but you know,
you are fully aware that you've got a group of
bowlers that haven't got a lot of Test caps under
their bill. I think what we have shown, though Piney
in the recent past, and I'm probably going back, you know,
four or five years now, is it when we have
blooded in players, not just past bowlers. You know they've
(09:44):
actually looked comfortable reasonably quickly on the big stage. Now,
that's I think a really good reflection of our system,
our high performance pathway, and in Test cricket. You know
what how planket shield plays such an important role.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yes, it's very It's crucial that these cricketers get to
play bring it at a level where nobody's adested, nobody
watches or pays any attention to it, so that then
go on and play international. I forget that nobody goes
to and nobody's interested him, and nobody pays any attention
to Absolutely, I'm just joking. I was paying attention. I
(10:25):
was listening to the acc commentary of it. Not for
most of the time. God, now, hilarious letters. Give it
a go. You don't mind if you dodgy jokes and
swear words US talk SIB. Does Allen Davies tell dodgy
jokes and swear words? I'm not sure, but he's popped
up again, you know, Jonathan Creek and the rest.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Just to be totally clear, and I'm not going to
ask you to go into all of the details now,
but you're right, really, you know, I think really movingly
about it. Your experiences in your memoir about your experiences
of childhood abuse, and it's the same content that you
are touching on at times during your during your special
(11:09):
But how do you think about that kind of narrative weave,
is there is there a risk, for one of a
better word, when you're talking about that kind of material publicly,
that it's very hard to get the audience back in
a laughing frame of mind.
Speaker 9 (11:23):
Well, that's the test. There's sort of challenge for me.
And you know when I say to the audience, when
I'd talked to them about having my father arrested for
historical sexual abuse, I said, I've never talked about this
on stage before because I was always afraid of exactly
this silence, because there's always you can guarantee a pin
(11:46):
drop silence at that which comes as a total revelation
to the majority of the people in the room. And
then I talked to them about perhaps feeling less like
an audience and more like they're in a hostage situation.
But not to fear, not here to make you uncomfortable.
I'm here to just we're going to spend a bit
(12:06):
of time on this area. The response is being really good.
People have just engaged and the people my experience of
comedy as and then these people aren't idiots, you know,
these people have got lives of their own, experiences of
their own, either they've been through things themselves, or they
have friends who have, or partners or spouses. This stuff's
(12:28):
in the world and just the same as parenting is,
or illness or I lean heavily on this and the
second half of the show a reptile dysfunction. These are
all the issues of the of our time.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I agree, Well, some of these people are idiots.
I mean, I'm an idiot. I don't know, and here's
an idiot. I don't know that I feel colporable about
being written off completely and being told that I'm not one.
I'm pretty sure I am sticking up for idiots. That's
what I do, and I'll do it again tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I see that.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
It be.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
For more from Newstalk st B, listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk, said B Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean the
weekend edition, first of yesterday's news. I am Bean Hart,
and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday. It's
much easier when weekends have an consecutive days. We've got
the social media band and the one that's in effect
in Australia, a one that may come into effects if
(00:46):
they ever get round to it. Here the back Caps
seem to be traveling pretty well right now, and Alan
Davies is back again. He seems to be on newsbooks
be every second day. Before any of that. The big
willis versus Richardson's stoush. Is it on or isn't it on?
Here's the willis half of the equation anyway, what's.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Going on with this debate with Ruth Richardson? It seems
to have taken a life of its own. Who's picking
the fight and where are we at with it?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well, I'm king to have a proper policy debate. As
I said earlier, enough of these silly, childish gains with
fluds boxes and the like. Actually, ours is a government
that has a very proud track record of reducing wasteful spending,
of ensuring that spending is a proportion of the economy
is coming down. That we're going to get that Betkas
bending down. So I get a bit fed up with
(01:37):
the taxpayers Unions falsely comparing me to Grant Robertson. I
want the chance to defend our government's record, to put
out there the hard work we've done, the forty three
billion dollars worth of savings we've delivered, also ensuring that, yes,
and I'm not ashamed of this, we are putting more
investment into the health system, into the education system, into
our defense source, into our police, those priorities for our government.
(02:01):
And the Taxpayers Union may take issue with that, but
I think that's actually what New Zealanders expect from us.
So I want to that and debate it and real terms,
not in sludgebox turns.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Because I mean, they'll chalk it up as a wind
because they've got under your skin that they're going to
have a debate with you, Now, wouldn't they.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well I just see this as me saying, you know what,
I am going to stand up for myself and I'm
not going to sit back and let you pop shop
from the sidelines. Come on frontap have the actual debate
on the actual substance. And I'm prepared to do that
pretty readily because I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Wow. I feel like it's a little bit late in
the year for the smart jagro. Now we just let
it go. News talk ze been anyway. Some people send
to be into it. Francesca Snail's blood, He's got the blood.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Last up.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Do we want politicians who always thinking about themselves, taking
a strategic proof approach and crafting their message to avoid transparence,
or would you prefer a finance minister prepared to openly
discuss one of the main issues concerning New Zealander is
today the state of the economy with someone who was
trying to undermine her. New Zealand Herald's political editor Thomas
Cogland does an excellent job of explaining what's behind this
(03:23):
situation in his article titled Ruth Richardson versus Nikola Willis
the facts behind the argument. Essentially, after a financial crisis
or shock, it's accepted that governments spend more to get
through the box end up in a bit of a mess.
But once that economy has restarted, what's on the other
side of the shock, fiscal consolidation kicks in the budget's titan,
so the country is ready for the next financial shock.
(03:45):
What is to be debated is whether the current coalition
is moving fast enough when it comes to this fiscal consolidation.
Will we be ready for the next financial shock? We
know we have challenges ahead, with two of the nine
ones being our aging populations, impact on our house system
and increasing cost of superannuation.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So do we.
Speaker 7 (04:03):
Increase taxes, reduce spending and afflict the social costs of austerity,
or do we risk taking this slow approach to getting
back on track with less negative impact on our communities.
As long as it's civil, it sounds like something worth debating.
But it needs to be a debate which doesn't get personal,
nasty or derogatory, one on which each debater expresses their
values and the reasoning behind their approach, backs their thinking
(04:25):
with evidence and outlays a long term vision for New Zealand.
This is the kind of discourse we should be having.
Let's get an independent economist to run this debate and
get on with it. If nothing else, it could be
highly entertaining something we could all look forward to or
enjoy at this time of year.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Yees.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So I'm not sure whether this is going to be
broadcast on news channels or or the sports channels who
normally does the UFC? Is it a pay per view situation?
Should we arrange a group of people to go down
to the pub and watch it there? Yeah, that's very strange,
(05:04):
isn't it?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
News talk?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Right, So Australia's Social Media band came into effect last
week and now, of course the inevitab all should we
do it here? This question is being asked.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
There are thousands of different platforms nate, hundreds of thousands,
millions maybe on the Internet where young people can still
post and interact. YouTube has argued that it isn't social
media at all. You can still access many videos without
an account and read It is taking legal action arguing
that its platform is totally different to many of the others.
(05:44):
All of us appreciate that teenagers are industrious. Right, you
can try and play whack a mole and ban every
new platform that pops up, but obviously some of them
are going to find ways around the law, just as
anyone who got their hands on alcohol or cigarettes before
their eighteenth birthday will attest. But supporters of the law say, actually,
(06:05):
that is a pretty good analogy. No one is suggesting
that the ban is going to stop every last kid
from accessing social media, but it generally makes it more
difficult with the most popular platforms. Truthfully, I don't know
(06:25):
how effective this law is going to be. I don't know.
I understand the impulse to want to protect children. I
was a big supporter of banning phones and schools. I
think that unregulated social media has been disastrous, but this
is super, super complex. I think the sensible thing for
(06:45):
New Zealand to do is to wait, not forever, but
just take six months, take a year, learn from the Australians,
observe closely the unintended impacts of the law, what works
well and what doesn't, and then make a call. And
even if we do act in the future with booze
(07:08):
or with cigarettes, truthfully, the state can only do so much.
And look, it's easy to say this now, perhaps come
back to me in five or ten years or when
my kids are a bit older, But the primary responsibility
for keeping kids safe in the digital age cannot fall
to governments or legislators. The responsibility is with us.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Can we just switch it off the whole internet? I mean,
I think we've given it a decent go, but you're
gonna stand more harm than good, right, So obviously disappointing
(07:54):
for people who are planning a couple of days in
the sunshine and Wellington over the weekend watching a bit
of test cricket because it all wrapped up on Friday,
didn't it. Here's good, old dependable, old Gavin Larson be
on short short tests they used to the last five
days these things, didn't they.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Much as I'm sure many cricket fans would have enjoyed
a day or two in the sunshine on the bank
at the base and this weekend. How pleased were you
with the sides performance to win that second Test so convincingly?
Speaker 8 (08:25):
Yeah, look absolutely thrilled because that was hard graft down
at Hagley in that first test. On on actually sitting
there now finally watching Tennant retake on Auckland and in
a funk of shehell game and they're here to say
there's a few less people sitting on the bank. But
again it's all about you know, starting to blood some
(08:46):
of these newer guys and they have domestic game and
there's some good talent on show. But that was really
hard draft in that first Test. So to bounce back
so well at the basin and as you've alluded to
Emiraby let bowling wise by you know, Jacob Duffy, it
was Yeah. I found it quite compelling and great viewing.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Given the resistance the West and he showed in the
second innings to draw that first Test in christ Jurche.
Did you have any concern that a very inexperienced bowling
attack at Test level might struggle to get you twenty
wickets in Wellington?
Speaker 8 (09:23):
I'm not sure i'd use the word concerns, but you know,
you are fully aware that you've got a group of
bowlers that haven't got a lot of Test caps under
their bill. I think what we have shown, though Piney
in the recent past, and I'm probably going back, you know,
four or five years now, is it when we have
blooded in players, not just past bowlers. You know they've
(09:44):
actually looked comfortable reasonably quickly on the big stage. Now,
that's I think a really good reflection of our system,
our high performance pathway, and in Test cricket. You know
what how planket shield plays such an important role.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yes, it's very It's crucial that these cricketers get to
play bring it at a level where nobody's adested, nobody
watches or pays any attention to it, so that then
go on and play international. I forget that nobody goes
to and nobody's interested him, and nobody pays any attention
to Absolutely, I'm just joking. I was paying attention. I
(10:25):
was listening to the acc commentary of it. Not for
most of the time. God, now, hilarious letters. Give it
a go. You don't mind if you dodgy jokes and
swear words US talk SIB. Does Allen Davies tell dodgy
jokes and swear words? I'm not sure, but he's popped
up again, you know, Jonathan Creek and the rest.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Just to be totally clear, and I'm not going to
ask you to go into all of the details now,
but you're right, really, you know, I think really movingly
about it. Your experiences in your memoir about your experiences
of childhood abuse, and it's the same content that you
are touching on at times during your during your special
(11:09):
But how do you think about that kind of narrative weave,
is there is there a risk, for one of a
better word, when you're talking about that kind of material publicly,
that it's very hard to get the audience back in
a laughing frame of mind.
Speaker 9 (11:23):
Well, that's the test. There's sort of challenge for me.
And you know when I say to the audience, when
I'd talked to them about having my father arrested for
historical sexual abuse, I said, I've never talked about this
on stage before because I was always afraid of exactly
this silence, because there's always you can guarantee a pin
(11:46):
drop silence at that which comes as a total revelation
to the majority of the people in the room. And
then I talked to them about perhaps feeling less like
an audience and more like they're in a hostage situation.
But not to fear, not here to make you uncomfortable.
I'm here to just we're going to spend a bit
(12:06):
of time on this area. The response is being really good.
People have just engaged and the people my experience of
comedy as and then these people aren't idiots, you know,
these people have got lives of their own, experiences of
their own, either they've been through things themselves, or they
have friends who have, or partners or spouses. This stuff's
(12:28):
in the world and just the same as parenting is,
or illness or I lean heavily on this and the
second half of the show a reptile dysfunction. These are
all the issues of the of our time.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I agree, Well, some of these people are idiots.
I mean, I'm an idiot. I don't know, and here's
an idiot. I don't know that I feel colporable about
being written off completely and being told that I'm not one.
I'm pretty sure I am sticking up for idiots. That's
what I do, and I'll do it again tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I see that.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
It be.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
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or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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