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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back on Monday, where unfortunately, of course we
had to look back on the events of Sunday evening
at one Day Beach and then hopefully, hopefully at the
(00:45):
end of the podcast, we can lighten the mood a
little bit. It's something that Marcus is very passionate about. Yes,
let's just sort of work our way through the day.
As the various shows reacted to the.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The situation in Australia, and of course we don't want
a victim blame, but is reaction to the original attack
has not calm the situation, but in fact further radicalize Muslims.
And I presented talk back on the Gaza situation over
the past two years. I was always at pains to
separate the Israeli state from the Jewish faith, but that
has been impossible to do for both sides, and not
(01:27):
helped by NETANYAHUO, who goes out of his way to
make sure you know, the faith is the state, and
the state is the faith. Any talk of the Gharsen
bloodshed by Israel is always pulled back and sheeted home
to October seventh, twenty twenty three in the moves by Hamas,
and any talk about the Hamas atrocity is always linked
back to the Israeli countermoves. Any criticism of Israel's actions
(01:52):
is always branded anti Semitism by supporters of Israel. Both
sides now locked in a deadly dance with no middle
ground of peace, a dance that has been there since
nineteen forty eight, but today is more furious than ever.
Blessed are the peacemakers, they say, but where are they?
(02:13):
One reported blessing is that the Australian hero who disarmed
a Bondai attacker was himself an Arab, a local fruit
shop owner, hopefully showing that the killers are not indicative
of all Muslims, and hopefully that might ease the wave
of Islamophobia that is almost inevitable.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
But I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Perhaps one of the more disturbing things to come out
of this is just the way that weird conspiracy theories
immediately who he aated their way through various feeds on
social media. Oh social media. You gotta love it, don't you.
(02:54):
News talk You sort of find yourself exhaling while you
say things when this sort of stuff happens, you know
what I mean. I think Kerry Woodam was probably using
a similar time.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Or show in Amongst the horror, though, and this is
what always stuns me, And amongst the horror, there were
the most extraordinary acts of bravery you will have seen,
I imagine by now the images of Akhmad al Akhmed, a
fruit shop owner. He was the man in the white
T shirt who was hiding behind a parked car and
(03:33):
as one of the gunmen aimed the rifle at a victim,
Akmed aal Ukhmed tackled the gunman from behind, got him
on a headlock, pulled the gun from his arms. He
pointed the gun at the now disarmed terrorist, who walked
away back to his accomplice on the bridge. Alakhmed laid
(03:53):
the gun against the tree, stepped away, and he was
later shot and has undergone surgery after being shot in
the upper arm in hand. Other people stopped amidst the
gunfire to help those who were wounded, you know, instead
of just running and saving themselves. They saw somebody fall
(04:18):
and immediately went to their assistance. And it staggers me
the bravery of so many everyday people. Along with the
first offenders, are the first responders, the police officers, the lifeguards,
the other first responders. You see them pulling up as
the as the gunfire is exploding, and they run towards
(04:39):
the danger immediately to try to help. I find it
utterly incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, I think most of us do. Amazing how it
just becomes a topic of conversation, you know, right around
the world as everybody tries to make sense of what's happened. Yeah,
even just walking the dog with domestic manager yesterday, we
(05:07):
were trying to work it out between us and we couldn't.
I look up at the Seeing Inn at the moment,
they've got this sort of their three top stories, if
you like. There's the Bondai shooting, there's the Brown University shooting,
and there's Rob White Rainer and his wife apparently shot dead. Ye,
(05:32):
Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Everywhere there's always been extremism, Is there more now? And
if so, what is causing it?
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Yeah, in particular post COVID, we've seen a significant escalation
in both societal polarization meaning binary thinking. Everyone frames the
world in good and evil, but also in extremism and
in particular in anti semitism. Post October seven, it is
absolutely rocket off the charts here in.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Australia, right, And how do you combat that well, it.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Requires really powerful political leadership and bipartisan approaches. So we've
got a across political lines, not seek the points score,
but absolutely stand down on antimatism online and address the
permissive environment that's allowed it to flourish. Unfortunately, in the
(06:23):
last couple of years in particular, there's been a lot
of permissiveness to this. It's been allowed to flourish online
and in our public discourse.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And say.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
This, justin as I record this podcast, the FBI has
revealed that they've managed to boil a bomb plot in
New York City. Seriously, what's going on, guys?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
We run very expensive security agencies in most Western countries
whose job it is to track people down and prevent
Bondai Beach type events. In this case, Urzo, their security
intelligence agency, knew about the sun with the gun in
Sydney as early as six years ago. There were links
to isis for Goodness didn't stop them, did it. Brenton
(07:10):
Tarrant was posting about the god awful things that he
was going to do up to a year beforehand online.
He wasn't stopped either. Sum Saden the guy who slipped
people's throats while they were shopping for groceries in New Lynn.
Remember that he was actually being watched and followed by
security agencies at the time, even he still managed to
(07:31):
stab eight innocent people in the shopping aisle. Some argue
migration is the problem. Oh, they say, well, Jews, the
Jewish community, the Muslims. They've been fighting for centuries and
that's where the problem lies. Except mass shootings are perpetrated
by all sorts of people for all sorts of different reasons.
You've got left wing extremism, look at what they're saying
(07:53):
about the guy and Charlie Kirk, the insurance assassin in America,
the attempt on Trump. Then you've got your far right extremists.
You've got radical Islamic terrorists. And then they're just completely
crazy people who seemed to have no motive. They just
want to either be famous or kill people for a
body count, like life is some sort of video game.
(08:15):
The sad disturbing, uncomfortable. Part of this attack is that
I think everybody knows it won't be the last one,
and there is very little, it seems, that we can
actually do to stop them.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I do sort of wonder if stuff like this has
happened throughout the ages, and sometimes it hasn't got the
media attention that it does these days, where it's the
whole thing, where everybody now now has a news camera
(08:52):
in their hands called their phone, and I wonder if
that's Is it too crazy to suggest that that's partially
to blame here as well? People carry these things out
knowing that that will become engineational news, well at least
for twenty four hours, and then we just move on
(09:12):
and forget about it, don't.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
We news talks? It been all right.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I do want to finish up changing cat. I was
hoping that it would be something sort of lighthearted from Market,
but I think he's actually seriously worked up about this
completely different issue.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I've received a very lovely email in my email box
today and this guy it's called Keith. Of course it's
called Keith, and Keith's been in a room with one
hundred people and the email goes high Marcus keep up
(09:56):
the good work, and they keep up the good works.
Works on Blue where all the wester is in black
and the email goes. Along with many others, mainly over sixties,
there is concern about the musical background, which seems to
be added willingly to all programs, irrespective of their genre.
SkyTV or TV in Dead are doing this badly worse.
(10:19):
An episode of New Tricks from twenty five years ago
had it added exclamation mark. This was raised at a
meeting of nearly one hundred people. We affected on it,
came back next month and agreed wholeheartedly. Most aged people
already have some hearing loss. Previously, there was only some
soundbacking for tense moments and a drama. As the pressure increased,
(10:40):
it appears as though somebody is suggested adding background music
to all programs, whatever channel. It should not be there
over important dialogue. Recent examples include loud music when played
for an interview dialogue quite unnecessarily on seven sharp. What
is worse the music is a name not memorable in
next theme or tune. I think we're talking drama, drum
(11:01):
and bass. It is applorable a topic for your program.
All the best for the best of seasons, Kay Williamson,
I'd go one step further. I know on some radio
shows they're always playing what's known in the industry as
a bed of music under the chat. If you ever
find me doing that, you alert all bulletins, you call
(11:24):
me straight away and we will stop. Because that's not
something I want to be remembered for. I hate it,
and the consultants suggested, and I've stood firm. I said,
not on this rotch. We're not playing dunk dunk dunk
underneath people talking. What would be the purpose of that?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And I feel so I feel stupid now. I don't know,
because literally this music has just come up underneath me
just now. I changed to music a while back because
I was using unlicensed, copyrighted music and that was a
(12:08):
no go. So I had to find some music that
was just free to use. And it's been completely the
wrong tone for the majority of this podcast. I had
to admit. The problem with me is is that I'm
too scared. Marcus is a very brave broadcaster and that
he will just pause for effect for a long time,
(12:32):
and he's totally comfortable, apparently totally comfortable doing that. But
I think the rest of us, oh, no, no, we
can't have I can't have silence like that. He's completely
wrong about it, and his emailer correspondent by completely wrong
about not having it on TV progress it adds amazing atmosphere.
(12:53):
Emotion creates tension and drama on TV shows, and if
people can't hear the dialogue over the top of it,
then they need to tweak the settings on their sound
system or their TV, or get it or get a
news system or TV. A lot of TVs now you
can actually broadcast directly to your hearing aids and have
(13:18):
your own sound set up just for that.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Turn on the.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Subtitles maybe another option. But yeah, I mean I think
back back to Marcus and he should never change. He
should not have it. He does talk over does he
still talk over the celine dion when he starts a show.
I think he's completely free of guilt of that. But yeah,
(13:47):
I do love I do love it when he just
pauses like that for no apparent reason, and you think, oh,
as he did. I love that talk about you know, tension,
I am glen hard that has been used towards ZIV
being and pauses. We'll see you back here again tomorrow.
(14:10):
I'll probably stalk Away with the music again tomorrow. After
saying all that stuff, that's just what I do.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Use talking talkings it Bean.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
For more from News Talk set b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk Said Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First of yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back on Monday, where unfortunately, of course we
had to look back on the events of Sunday evening
at one Day Beach and then hopefully, hopefully at the
(00:45):
end of the podcast, we can lighten the mood a
little bit. It's something that Marcus is very passionate about. Yes,
let's just sort of work our way through the day.
As the various shows reacted to the.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The situation in Australia, and of course we don't want
a victim blame, but is reaction to the original attack
has not calm the situation, but in fact further radicalize Muslims.
And I presented talk back on the Gaza situation over
the past two years. I was always at pains to
separate the Israeli state from the Jewish faith, but that
has been impossible to do for both sides, and not
(01:27):
helped by NETANYAHUO, who goes out of his way to
make sure you know, the faith is the state, and
the state is the faith. Any talk of the Gharsen
bloodshed by Israel is always pulled back and sheeted home
to October seventh, twenty twenty three in the moves by Hamas,
and any talk about the Hamas atrocity is always linked
back to the Israeli countermoves. Any criticism of Israel's actions
(01:52):
is always branded anti Semitism by supporters of Israel. Both
sides now locked in a deadly dance with no middle
ground of peace, a dance that has been there since
nineteen forty eight, but today is more furious than ever.
Blessed are the peacemakers, they say, but where are they?
(02:13):
One reported blessing is that the Australian hero who disarmed
a Bondai attacker was himself an Arab, a local fruit
shop owner, hopefully showing that the killers are not indicative
of all Muslims, and hopefully that might ease the wave
of Islamophobia that is almost inevitable.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
But I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Perhaps one of the more disturbing things to come out
of this is just the way that weird conspiracy theories
immediately who he aated their way through various feeds on
social media. Oh social media. You gotta love it, don't you.
(02:54):
News talk You sort of find yourself exhaling while you
say things when this sort of stuff happens, you know
what I mean. I think Kerry Woodam was probably using
a similar time.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Or show in Amongst the horror, though, and this is
what always stuns me, And amongst the horror, there were
the most extraordinary acts of bravery you will have seen,
I imagine by now the images of Akhmad al Akhmed, a
fruit shop owner. He was the man in the white
T shirt who was hiding behind a parked car and
(03:33):
as one of the gunmen aimed the rifle at a victim,
Akmed aal Ukhmed tackled the gunman from behind, got him
on a headlock, pulled the gun from his arms. He
pointed the gun at the now disarmed terrorist, who walked
away back to his accomplice on the bridge. Alakhmed laid
(03:53):
the gun against the tree, stepped away, and he was
later shot and has undergone surgery after being shot in
the upper arm in hand. Other people stopped amidst the
gunfire to help those who were wounded, you know, instead
of just running and saving themselves. They saw somebody fall
(04:18):
and immediately went to their assistance. And it staggers me
the bravery of so many everyday people. Along with the
first offenders, are the first responders, the police officers, the lifeguards,
the other first responders. You see them pulling up as
the as the gunfire is exploding, and they run towards
(04:39):
the danger immediately to try to help. I find it
utterly incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, I think most of us do. Amazing how it
just becomes a topic of conversation, you know, right around
the world as everybody tries to make sense of what's happened. Yeah,
even just walking the dog with domestic manager yesterday, we
(05:07):
were trying to work it out between us and we couldn't.
I look up at the Seeing Inn at the moment,
they've got this sort of their three top stories, if
you like. There's the Bondai shooting, there's the Brown University shooting,
and there's Rob White Rainer and his wife apparently shot dead. Ye,
(05:32):
Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Everywhere there's always been extremism, Is there more now? And
if so, what is causing it?
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Yeah, in particular post COVID, we've seen a significant escalation
in both societal polarization meaning binary thinking. Everyone frames the
world in good and evil, but also in extremism and
in particular in anti semitism. Post October seven, it is
absolutely rocket off the charts here in.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Australia, right, And how do you combat that well, it.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Requires really powerful political leadership and bipartisan approaches. So we've
got a across political lines, not seek the points score,
but absolutely stand down on antimatism online and address the
permissive environment that's allowed it to flourish. Unfortunately, in the
(06:23):
last couple of years in particular, there's been a lot
of permissiveness to this. It's been allowed to flourish online
and in our public discourse.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And say.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
This, justin as I record this podcast, the FBI has
revealed that they've managed to boil a bomb plot in
New York City. Seriously, what's going on, guys?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
We run very expensive security agencies in most Western countries
whose job it is to track people down and prevent
Bondai Beach type events. In this case, Urzo, their security
intelligence agency, knew about the sun with the gun in
Sydney as early as six years ago. There were links
to isis for Goodness didn't stop them, did it. Brenton
(07:10):
Tarrant was posting about the god awful things that he
was going to do up to a year beforehand online.
He wasn't stopped either. Sum Saden the guy who slipped
people's throats while they were shopping for groceries in New Lynn.
Remember that he was actually being watched and followed by
security agencies at the time, even he still managed to
(07:31):
stab eight innocent people in the shopping aisle. Some argue
migration is the problem. Oh, they say, well, Jews, the
Jewish community, the Muslims. They've been fighting for centuries and
that's where the problem lies. Except mass shootings are perpetrated
by all sorts of people for all sorts of different reasons.
You've got left wing extremism, look at what they're saying
(07:53):
about the guy and Charlie Kirk, the insurance assassin in America,
the attempt on Trump. Then you've got your far right extremists.
You've got radical Islamic terrorists. And then they're just completely
crazy people who seemed to have no motive. They just
want to either be famous or kill people for a
body count, like life is some sort of video game.
(08:15):
The sad disturbing, uncomfortable. Part of this attack is that
I think everybody knows it won't be the last one,
and there is very little, it seems, that we can
actually do to stop them.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I do sort of wonder if stuff like this has
happened throughout the ages, and sometimes it hasn't got the
media attention that it does these days, where it's the
whole thing, where everybody now now has a news camera
(08:52):
in their hands called their phone, and I wonder if
that's Is it too crazy to suggest that that's partially
to blame here as well? People carry these things out
knowing that that will become engineational news, well at least
for twenty four hours, and then we just move on
(09:12):
and forget about it, don't.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
We news talks? It been all right.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I do want to finish up changing cat. I was
hoping that it would be something sort of lighthearted from Market,
but I think he's actually seriously worked up about this
completely different issue.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I've received a very lovely email in my email box
today and this guy it's called Keith. Of course it's
called Keith, and Keith's been in a room with one
hundred people and the email goes high Marcus keep up
(09:56):
the good work, and they keep up the good works.
Works on Blue where all the wester is in black
and the email goes. Along with many others, mainly over sixties,
there is concern about the musical background, which seems to
be added willingly to all programs, irrespective of their genre.
SkyTV or TV in Dead are doing this badly worse.
(10:19):
An episode of New Tricks from twenty five years ago
had it added exclamation mark. This was raised at a
meeting of nearly one hundred people. We affected on it,
came back next month and agreed wholeheartedly. Most aged people
already have some hearing loss. Previously, there was only some
soundbacking for tense moments and a drama. As the pressure increased,
(10:40):
it appears as though somebody is suggested adding background music
to all programs, whatever channel. It should not be there
over important dialogue. Recent examples include loud music when played
for an interview dialogue quite unnecessarily on seven sharp. What
is worse the music is a name not memorable in
next theme or tune. I think we're talking drama, drum
(11:01):
and bass. It is applorable a topic for your program.
All the best for the best of seasons, Kay Williamson,
I'd go one step further. I know on some radio
shows they're always playing what's known in the industry as
a bed of music under the chat. If you ever
find me doing that, you alert all bulletins, you call
(11:24):
me straight away and we will stop. Because that's not
something I want to be remembered for. I hate it,
and the consultants suggested, and I've stood firm. I said,
not on this rotch. We're not playing dunk dunk dunk
underneath people talking. What would be the purpose of that?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And I feel so I feel stupid now. I don't know,
because literally this music has just come up underneath me
just now. I changed to music a while back because
I was using unlicensed, copyrighted music and that was a
(12:08):
no go. So I had to find some music that
was just free to use. And it's been completely the
wrong tone for the majority of this podcast. I had
to admit. The problem with me is is that I'm
too scared. Marcus is a very brave broadcaster and that
he will just pause for effect for a long time,
(12:32):
and he's totally comfortable, apparently totally comfortable doing that. But
I think the rest of us, oh, no, no, we
can't have I can't have silence like that. He's completely
wrong about it, and his emailer correspondent by completely wrong
about not having it on TV progress it adds amazing atmosphere.
(12:53):
Emotion creates tension and drama on TV shows, and if
people can't hear the dialogue over the top of it,
then they need to tweak the settings on their sound
system or their TV, or get it or get a
news system or TV. A lot of TVs now you
can actually broadcast directly to your hearing aids and have
(13:18):
your own sound set up just for that.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Turn on the.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Subtitles maybe another option. But yeah, I mean I think
back back to Marcus and he should never change. He
should not have it. He does talk over does he
still talk over the celine dion when he starts a show.
I think he's completely free of guilt of that. But yeah,
(13:47):
I do love I do love it when he just
pauses like that for no apparent reason, and you think, oh,
as he did. I love that talk about you know, tension,
I am glen hard that has been used towards ZIV
being and pauses. We'll see you back here again tomorrow.
(14:10):
I'll probably stalk Away with the music again tomorrow. After
saying all that stuff, that's just what I do.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Use talking talkings it Bean.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
For more from News Talk set b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
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