EITM: Puppy Puppy Shake 5/16/24

For goodness' sake.

Episode Transcript

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So I have the two dogs,right, Vezzy and Clancy. Let's use
a real name, Vesna and uhClancy. So the other day, Vezzy
just starts getting this head and shakething back and forth. I sent you
guys a video, right, andit looks like this, like shaking his

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head. Now yeah, well,I mean you saw the video. I
don't know how to it's a girlthank you the girl dad. I don't
know. I don't know how toexplain, like if you were shaking your
head. No, it looked likethat's what the dog was doing. No,
see, you're doing this routine.He definitely was doing like no,

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back and forth, and it wenton for a while. Watching the video
now, it's it's faster than youwould shake your head. No, no,
yeah, it's like this. Yeahyou know what well, because the
jowls go quite a bit as well. Yeah, Jackie was filming it.

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Why are you critical of the wayshe did so? No? Oh no,
no, no, not at all. But it went on long enough
that Jackie had time to get herphone and film it and it's still going
on. Yes, that'll freak youout, like it's and it's uncontrollable.

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Yeah, so that but go ahead, that one clip that you sent us.
So did it happen repeatedly or wasit just like it happened that one
time and then there was no otherinstance. Well a little bit of both,
right, So it happened freaked usout, like that's freaky, that'll
mess you up. But then likeJackie starts talking to the dog and is

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like, you know, hey,Vezzie, come over here, and the
dog comes and but it's still likeand then she was like, you know,
Vezzi sid and the dog sat andit was kind of at that point
that the head broke stopped, youman, yeah, like that that behavior

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stopped, right. But now thatwas the second time it had happened.
It happened once before that, andJackie was like, oh my god,
have you seen this happen? Thenthere was when it happened and she videotaped
it. And then so we calledthe vet, right oh, because you
were throwing around in a condition.I didn't know if she knew of that

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from her days working as no,no, no, no, no,
no, no not at all.So anyway, we called the vet and
the Vet's like, hey, listen, it sounds like it sounds like it's
fine. Like sometimes this happens withdogs. Come in tomorrow, unless something
happens tonight where it's bad, likethe head starts going and the dog and

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she collapses or she starts peeing herselfwhere it's it like feels like now we're
having a seizure. I've never hadit. I've never I've never had a
dog with a seizure. I've neverhad to deal with any of that.
And I don't want to. Youwould, oh yeah, but I don't
want to. Yeah, of coursenot, but you you would still take

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care of your pet. Well yetI'm not going to open the door and
go o the So anyway, ithappened again later that night. Jackie took
the dog in was it yesterday?Whatever? She went to the vet,
excuse me, and the vet saidthey believe that it is something called idiopathic

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head tremors, which I have neverheard of. The vet said that it's
it's not uncommon, it's not common. But the dog wagging its tail,
it's common. It's not uncommon thatyou see this in dogs sometimes. And
I don't know about cats. Ididn't ask. I don't have any that

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they see this in dogs sometimes,and it's actually fine, Like the dog
is fine, like there's nothing badgoing on. It's not like it's it's
got like something wrong with its head. That it's fine, And they said
a lot of times it actually freaksthe owners out worse than the dog.
Well, that'll vouch for and soI guess the only thing that we do

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is just monitor. But I don'tknow now. Now, of course,
afterwards you start going Now, Ihave a million questions, right, like
does the dog outgrow it? Ordoes this go on the dog's whole life?
Well, you know what, Idon't. I know. Tomorrow's her
birthday, but I don't know toI believe she's two, Yes, the

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same as Meadow. Oh that's right, right, there's a month between each
other. That's right, that's right. So yeah, so two two,
Yeah, tomorrow's birthday girl. Dad. So is there any I know you
said it's idiopathic, but is thereany managing of it or treating of it
or you just have to monitor it. If she's up on the couch with

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me, I do hold her ina headlock so her head can't move around,
So I manage it that way.No, I have no idea,
But there's no medicine, no,no, no, we weren't given like
a prescription or anything like that.Now, I don't know if that changes,
if like it becomes like chronic thefrequency picks up. It can't be
chronic. It can't be ChRI Imthat I can't deal with No, you

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don't know you deal with it?No, what I can deal with it.
You just don't want to know that. It would bother me. It
would bother me. I guess likeI'm not equipped to deal with that.
I can't sit there and told thedog is fine. Yeah, yes,
But if the dog the whole timeis like that's not fine, it hurts

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me. So I don't want it. I don't want it to be a
chronic thing. What about it?Did they mention any exercises the dog can
do or you can do with thedog? You said, the dog's fine,
okay, good? I mean thedog walks every day, the dog
runs every day, the dog playsevery day. Now it shakes its head
all looks like crazy. Don't callit crazy. It looks crazy. I

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saw the video. It's weird.But again, and I like that they
said this because it's very true.As a concerned friend of the families,
I was like, oh my goodness, yeah, what's wrong with the dog?
Like that's bad? Honestly, youknow what you think. And I
don't know if dogs can get it, but you think your dog has Parkinson's

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Barkinson's. That's like when you pullinto the vet, where do you park
in the barking lot? Where amI going? I'm sorry you were asking
me a question. Never mind,So let's does she know of something similar
in cats? That's what I wasgonna say. I don't know if he
has Lui's got her her cat's gotseizures, right, and it doesn't,

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but I mean she drools a lot. She does get the head shake,
but it's not like that. It'sit's very different. Yeah, no,
that because it's a seizure. Yeah, hi, Elliot in the morning,
one, two, three, four, Ah Elliott. Yeah. So my
dog Wilson name after Tom Wilson,also has this and he's had it for

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probably since he was two up untilnow and he's five. How often how
often does it have the head trammers? It's probably like once every month,
once every other month, and I'lllike walk into the living room and there
he is. He's just non mefor like two or three minutes, just
straight nod, no, like hedoesn't want to do what everyone's about to

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ask him to deal and then andthen it goes away and everything's fine.
Yeah, like no, like caesars. I've spent like thousands of dollars at
the Boston Animal Hospital for this,Like yeah, man, just forever,
that's that's going to happen forever.And they said, well, hey,
thank you, thank you. Thoughno, I'm happy to know that.

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I'm not happy that she's gonna haveit. But they said that the head
can go up and down like abubblehead, or it can go side to
side. Oh, like a bubblehead. They the bubbleheads go up and
down. Oh, they definitely cango to the side. Oh no,
no, but that no, butmine's like yes, no, yes,
no, like yes or no.Does one direction indicate something the other does

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not. I only asked about whatwe had. Are they brought up that
it could go the other way?Yeah, but we don't have that,
so I didn't ask if that meansanything worse? I mean everything, no
further question. Yeah, everything yousee online is saying it's like kind of
a benign condition. So what ahorrible condition? Did the callers say?
Over the three years his dogs gotbetter or did he say it once a

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month? I mean that's not bad. That started once a month. Yeah,
that's not bad. That's better thanwhat you have read. Yeah,
you were, you were thinking ofhaving multiple times, multiple times a day,
but then we'll go days without havingit, or we're just not saying
it's true. We may be gone. She may be shaking her head all
over the place. You're not thereconstantly with eyes on her. Does Clancy,

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your other dog respond to No,it's not contagious, but it's sometimes
like animals can detects, so itdoesn't bother their dog doesn't seem to okay
sometimes Well, one of the times, Desi Desi, Desi had a bone,

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like a like a playbone and droppedit and started shaking her head,
and Clancy came and took the bone. So I mean, he's like bonus.
It's kind of kind of good.Where am I going? Like four
craziest thing though I've never heard of, it's been around dogs, Hi Elliot
at the morning. Nobody loves morethan you. That is true unless they

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have a chronic condition. Hi Elliotat the morning, Yeah, Hi,
who are you? So they're calledidiopathic tremors. Yes, and my bulldog
has it. Yeah, I'm sorryto Jerry know that I apologize. Yeah,
no, no, that the vethad told us that that she believes

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that it's idiopathic head tremors. Right, and the first time, like you
know, like you said, thefirst time my bulldog had it, he
was shaking his head like a no. And you know bulldogs, they're jowled,
they're going everywhere. So I tookhim to friendship thinking of having a
seizure. Right, so they justsaid it was an idiopathic tremor. What
I would do is I would justtry and refocus him with a p Wait

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you say that again? You cutout? Yeah, so I would just
refocus. It's kind of neurologic.But well, all, I'm sorry,
Well I got I sure hope thatshe has her head tremor. While I'm
standing by the peanut butter of aJackie online, thank you, sir,

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thank you. Jackie said, thebest way to break it is to get
her to focus to a trick orgive a treat. But yes, it
is so scary. Yeah, it'svery scary. So if that won't say,
let it play through and let themcomplete whatever cycle it may be.
Well, I don't think it.I don't think it hurts them to play
through, So you're allowed to interruptit. We did. We were like,

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Beaz, well, you were scared. You didn't know at the time,
Yeah, oh, I thought.I mean, your mind goes to
the worst. How loud did youyell at the dog? I mean,
if there was another dog named Vezsiwithin one hundred miles it came running,
It's very comforting. I'm going throughthis weird headshake and now he's yelling at
me. Doesn't seem like the dogis looking to you for Spared's comfort.

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No, And that's what the vetssaid. I mean, like like you
could see in the in the videoshe looks at Jackie because Jackie's calling her
name. But like the vet said, it's a thousand times worse on the
owner than it is the dog.Like the dog doesn't know like the dogs
just like I think it would freakthem out a little bit because the but
dogs don't think like you do.Dogs aren't as smart as we are.

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They don't reason. Yeah, butthey know the dog's not sitting there going
like holy crap, I hope thisisn't a seizure. No, but they
don't even know what seesure means.But they know something's wrong. They know
that they don't if there's if there'ssomething that's bothering irritating them on their paw,
they're gonna lick it like they respondirm. They respond in that way.
It's different. Dog knows it's headshape, yes, well, because

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the room's moving weird. But theydon't know. They have no memory.
So once it's done, they're like, oh, hey, they don't have
any memory. Not really. Theyknow exactly where to go every damn day
for a treat, and they haveno memory of all the dogs that make
it back home. Yeah. No, that's smell. No, only smell.
Do any of these dogs shake somuch they they do pass out?

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I don't know that's why she said. I don't know why. But the
vet did say, just make surelike the animal doesn't fall, that it
doesn't that it doesn't maybe the dog'shave vertigo like I do. The no,
no, but like just like thatit's not peeing itself or falling or
losing control of its bowels or somewhich it better not to the no,

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we use our bowels outside the Howmany times have I told you no,
no, no, but to makesure that it's not that it's not having
a seizure. But you think it'sjust it's just an iridium nope, ideopathic
idiopathic head tremor line five. Hionly in the morning, Yeah, Hi,
who's that right? Yes, sir, We've had multiple English bulldogs with

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head tremors over the years, andusually we were able to give them something
with calcium in it, like yogurtor ice cream, and it was cleared
up just within a couple of minutes. What do you not like giving the
dog ice cream yogurt? Oh mygod, her head shaking, Jackie,
give me ice cream. Just putit in the ball and let it go

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the with calcium yogurt? Yeah,or how about just calcium pill? So
is this heavily associated with bulldogs?I was gonna say, that's two bulldogs
in a row? Yeah, verycommon. But is that is that all
bully breeds? But Vezzi isn't itdoesn't. I mean, she got a
lot going on in there, butmostly Great Dane. But I don't know

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that she's got any bulldog in itin her? Yeah, I'm not sure,
because we have two American bulldogs now, yeah, I was gonna say
I had an American bulldog, RipMolson, the I had an American bulldog,
never had this, had other problemscancer, but never had I take
this over cancer? Right? Interesting, this says bulldogs comprise forty of the

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IHTS cases. Are you serious?Yeah? Wait, all bulldogs are specifically
French it just as bulldogs. Ohokay, and dob pincers are. Oh
I like it, thank you,sir. I like a Doberman pincher.
That's are in the bully breed Americanbulldog pit bull. The boxers and Doberman's

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too. Boxers are big on cancertoo. You have a boxer, you
have cancer? No, they allget it, maybe not all of them,
but there's high percentage of cancer inboxers. Where am I going?
Line four? And they're good lookingdogs? Hi, Elliet the morning,
Oh dog, that's not true.Yes, yes it is. I have

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a friendship bulldogs. And not tobring the conversation down, but he has
those tremors as well. But hehas a brain tumor. But during during
the tremors, like he's pretty alert, like you were saying, just last
for thirty seconds or so, andhe snaps out of it. What came
first? Uh, he had acouple of seizures. We brought him to

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the vet and then we had anMRI because they said it was like really
rare to have a glioma at hisage because he was just prior to two
years old. And we did itanyway because we wanted to know. And
it turns out that he had aglioma. And we even put him through
SRT treatment form of radiation sure andhe said, amazing two and a half

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years as a result. Wow,But he does have he does have seizures.
He's on a bunch of meds.Okay, but that's kind of that's
that's not sir. I mean,listen, that's God bless you. You
know what I mean. Like,I'm with you there. But all all
dogs that have the head tremors,the shaky head, they don't. It's
not because they have a break.He's telling you his story. No,

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I understand. No, But doyou have a T shirt you can offer
Elliott? He's uncomfortable, all right, very good, well, not very
you know what I mean. Allright, thank you for your phone call.
Very well, very well, No, no, because I don't want
I'm good, but I don't wantothers going like, oh, my my
dog's doing that. He must havea brain tumor. He started that conversation

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off by saying not to bring itdown. Yeah, but too late,
too late, that's the first thinghe said. No, I know,
but then told me why he wasbringing it down. I don't like hearing
that the dogs. But I'm alsonot doing like, hey, call me
if your dogs got a brain tumor. Bit that's more a how was that

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show up in Canada? Oh?What were their names? Ross? Ross
and Scott? He line too,Ross and Mahoney? No, Hi,
Yelli in the morning. Hey thisme? Yeah? Hi? Who's this?
Had this dreaming plump from Akakis,Maryland? Yes, my dog also

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has what is the he's a boxer? Yeah yeah, Hey what is the
How long? How long does yourdog had him? Okay, so he's
nine and a half and he's hadhim since he was a puppy. I
would say they happened more when hewas a puppy than they happened now.

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How often How often do they happennow? I would say maybe like every
three or four months. Oh wow, but he really is Yeah, there's
like no rhyme or reason. Lookwhen it first happened, I was crying,
falling recording like keeping a journal crazy, but yeah, like he just

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is unbothered. He'll look at melike you know what's happening. But then
you take out a treat and allof a sudden, he's like refocused.
Like that guy was saying, like, just so that's the key. By
the way, I'm forever now goingto walk around with a kung full of
peanut butter in my pock just tohave it, just to have it.
Hey, the because that's what Iwas going to ask you do you try

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to like like divert the dog oryou just let it play it out,
But it sounds like you try totreat them and divert them. Yeah,
Like I was like call his nameor be like, hey, you want
to go for a walk, becauseeven at nine and a half in a
box or he'll like jump up togo for a walk, or tell him
you to have chicken or a meatballor something, and he's he's all in,
oh my god, I'm like adog. Well the walk part.

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But I wouldn't try to hold theirface. I heard you say that.
I wouldn't try to do that.No, no, no, no,
no, no, no, Whenat first happened, I actually ran away
from the dogline. No, no, no, no, no, no
that I'm not doing that. I'mnot doing Thank you, ma'am, Thank
you, Elliott. Your cong isshowing. But no, but you know

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what, you know what's crazy?How have like we all have dog?
Sorry Diane, but the three ofus have dogs. Never even heard of
this? No, no, butyou're in Vet even said it's it's common.
But it's not common, right,No, But now aren't you glad?
We know? It will still scareme when it happens because it idiopathic.

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It'll be the tumor. But you'realso in the fifty percent of dogs
with a pit bull that no,I'm being serious. If it's fifty percent
or comprised of bulldogs, that's you. Yeah. Yeah, we with a
pity could be in trouble. Sonow we're armed with this knowledge. Yeah,
and awareness is half the battle,absolutely, absolutely. The other half
is the cancer. Yeah. Gazerdid have a quick question though, and

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maybe this makes it not idiopathic anymore, but did you get the dogs vaxed?
Are they vaccinated? It could bethat