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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You want to look something up musical.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Which one.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Cats they miss West Side Story?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah? Did you type in musical? Uh huh okay?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Ann hendonia a n agd oh nia.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
What does that say?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It's a condition characterized by an inability to experience pleasure.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
From music at all. Wow, at all.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
They can perceive and understand music, but they don't find
it enjoyable or emotionally moving.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Even even a song that they know that normally would
elicit any kind of response nothing.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, Like you could come out and like cringe because
you hate a song, but.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You're reacting to action, an emotional response.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
So there's this whole study that was done of when
you hear music and you start to move a little
bit right, you may tap a foot, you may, you
may tap a hand, you may, you may you may
do What.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Am I doing here?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Bobbin?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, I'm moving right, I'm chair dancing. I'm doing a little.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Bit of this that gets classified as groove. Groove and
any of it gets classified as groove. So they were
trying to figure out are we hardwired to groove or
do we groove because we like m okay, and what
they believe they have found is you are hardwired to
(01:36):
groove because people with musical I don't know if I'm
pronouncing it, and and hondonia and.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Hodonia makes sense with the suffix hedonism, pleasure and without.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Right musical and hondonia that even people with musical and hordonia,
Is there anybody listening.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
That has it?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Can antedonia be applied to other situations? I would have
to why you can say musical because it's that's specific
to to this study, to this study.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Correct, So they were saying people with musical and and hodonia,
they may still groove.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Even if they got nothing out of it. Nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Oh, so that answers your question. Well, I mean it's
not my question, it's researchers. But that leads them to
believe we are hardwired to groove. Like you don't just
do it because it's a song you like. It may
actually be a song you don't like, and you're still
just kind of boffin.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I've definitely I've done that and caught dancing the songs
I've claimed I've hated.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I wouldn't say dancing, but moving or tapp into tone.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Acting.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, I can tell you this. I've never grooved. I
only dance.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
However, however, would it be possible to find anybody who
has legit music and a donia?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Is this a controversial diagnosis?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Would somebody?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I don't think it's controversial in that somebody would like like,
you wouldn't shame someone for it, You wouldn't bully someone
or make fun of them.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I'm saying, is this something that a doctor or maybe
a therapist would say you have. I don't mean controversial
in that it leads to any sort of like you said, bullying,
you're shaming. But is someone going to call and just say, yeah,
I don't like music because it because.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well I hope so, because then they would have musical antedonia.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Because specialists aren't telling people you you have this. Maybe
this is the first time it is that you've heard
the term, right.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Okay, but I would I can't fathom that there's not
like I don't like all genres of music.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I like a lot of genres of music.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I don't like every song in every genre, but there's
plenty of songs in every genre I like. So I
can't imagine hearing a song that I like and not
doing a little chair dance. Now, even if I have
music antedonia musical antidonia. I'm still gonna groove, but I
can't imagine hearing a song that well, I was gonna say,
(04:25):
they don't have a song that they love. I can't
imagine hearing a song that you love and not being like, yes, yes,
but it sounds like it's like I love System of
a Down, So hearing System of a Down over the
last couple of days, I'm like, yes, yes, but it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Doesn't have to be a song you have any sort
of past experiences with it. Sounds like it's not making
you emotional because you attribute it to something or you're
familiar with the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
It's any music, any music, correct.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
But they'll say even songs like if you take it
away from the genre standpoint and go like hey man,
I'll just I don't like country, where you would go
like okay. But they even said national anthem. You can
recognize it, you can appreciate what it is. I get
nothing out of it from a passion standpoint.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You recognize John Batiste version, but.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
In that nuts, I've never heard of that. Can you
have other antedonias?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Of course, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Feel bad for sufferers.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I can't imagine not liking music.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, but it's not even the way you describe it,
unless I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. It's not that you
don't like music, it just makes you feel nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
People with this condition can tell perfectly well whether a
melody is happy or sad, recognize what it is, including
a national anthem, or spot a wrong note in a
familiar turn tune. What makes them different is that music
simply doesn't give them an emotional buzz that most people experience.
(06:00):
While most of us get a rush of pleasure from
our favorite songs, people with musical antedonia process the same sounds,
just no response.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Fascinating.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I can't imagine that so far, and I want the
response in.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
The social media line. No one is claiming to suffer
from this.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
The existence of musical antedonia's puzzled scientists since its discovery.
How could someone understand music perfectly well but not feel
the emotional impact?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So Originally did they think that these people like couldn't
process the sounds they were hearing, and that's what led
to the confusion or lack of a response.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Correct, but it's not that no, No, As a matter
of fact, they can groove and.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You're the little thing about music theory and just the
recognizing of incorrect notes.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
The condition effects a subset of otherwise healthy individuals who
enjoy other pleasurable experiences in a normal way. For example,
they can appreciate art, they can enjoy good food, they
can form strong emotional connections, just not with music.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Abby says, he has it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh is this going to be some dumb No, oh really, I.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
May have it. I could truly care less about music.
Once your show is over, I drive around in silence,
and I don't enjoy concerts.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Interesting, is his I'm being serious? Does he not hear
any Rejoiner song we've ever played.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And go and like react to it?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Oh, wow, that's.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Pretty good, or oh that's that's interesting, that's new and interesting,
or oh windows down, this makes me want to smoke.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Nothing, it's just get to us.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I'm feeling an emotion right now. No disappointment. We all
be time I spend crafting this playlist, curating it. Remember,
this is sonically the most interesting thing to find on
the radio, hands down.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He may have it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Now the concert thing could be something else. Was there
anything in there about live music? It was just music,
just music, music in general. Hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But I'll groove at at a concert.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I don't chair dance, and then I'm up on my
feet unless it's a seated show, then I'll chare dance.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Uh uh. Katie on Facebook does she have it? Katie says,
my husband never grooves. Didn't you say you're hardwired?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You're hardwired. You are hardwired to groove.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Even if maybe he's not obvious, even if he loves
the song, he won't. It drives me nuts. That goes
against all the resarchs.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
He won't tap his foot, he won't tap his fingers.
He won't.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
He won't ever air guitar or tap on a steering
wheel like it's a drum.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
That seems hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And impossible to pull off.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You are hard wired to groove. You'll groove to songs
you don't like.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
No comments on my playlist line too, Hi Elliott the morning?
Hey is this me?
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Who's this? Hey?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
It's Pete Enrichment.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yes, sir, Hey, I'm.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
A musician and this time's right.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Just am over it, you know, I just I just
want to stop and I need something more. It's like
so maybe that's where it stems from. It's just like
being tired of the same old, same old.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
And but you still enjoy hearing a song that well,
I don't want to say enjoy. You'll get an emotional
response to a song you like.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Every now and then, but there's there's days where I
just won't even turn the radio on or pick up
an instrument. It's just like it get burnt out on
and all the bs that associated with it.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
And but like you said, I was still.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Are you like the Baskin Robbins worker that hates ice
cream now.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Pretty much?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (10:29):
I mean it's not that you hate it, since you
have your days where it's not a no.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But would you be able to would you be able
to go like, Okay, this song, how can you like
the song?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I don't like the song?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
But then here's something completely different, completely other, like completely
different genre, and then.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Go, oh, you know what?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Like that's that that's given me a little bit of
I don't I don't want to say joy, but it's
given me like a little bit of you know, a
little bit of oomph.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
I just think it something goes with someone like me.
You know, it's a I don't think anybody can say
they they hate music and they don't like music. It's
just you have your your days where you just over
it all right.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I might be able to give you that, But I
don't even know, Thank you, sir, thank you. I don't
even know if people with music and a donia would
say they hate music.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
No, I don't think they hate music at all from
what you said.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
No, I just think it does nothing different.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
He sounds like he's kind of burnt out.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, you know what it sounds like to me, like
he's he's he's tired of he's tired of the sausage factory.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Oh now, so since maybe he doesn't exactly have it
at least.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I don't think he does. I don't think he does
the definition that because he even said he could hear
something else.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
And like it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
A couple of people have wondered, is it something you're
born with? You'd have to be so you don't develop this.
You can't unwire this.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Cur genes may predispose people to musical antedonia.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, you don't unwire yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I know that you said you're hardwired to groove, but
you didn't say you're hardwired to suffer from anaedonia.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
No, No, but I think that if you were like,
at what age, what age do you start to appreciate music?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Baby? Well not baby?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yes, yes, and you're listening.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah, so in you to row, I would sit there
inside your belly and government.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It's still it's still no, Like, at.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
What point are you like you want music.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
People put when they're when babies are first born, they'll
put on music for them to fall asleep.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And did Marley reach up to turn it up when
she liked it? No?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
No, no, no, I'm saying, like, at what point is
are you going?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I like that?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I want more, I want that, I want to turn
it up. I want I want to find a song
that I may like.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
More than that.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
They bounce when they're dancing.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Everybody's hardwired for that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
See that's proof though to.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Me, No, no, but you know what I mean, Like,
you're not if you put if you strap headphones on
your stomach, that has nothing to do with me. That's you.
I'm talking about me as an individual. You're young, you're
young when you start liking music. It may be you know,
I love you like.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Whatever the song is.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's music that calms newborns, yeah, and and infants. So
I think it's younger than you. You want them to vocalize.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I want them to be Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I guess they are showing that if they if they
stop right, okay, all right, or maybe they know if
I don't stop crying when I hear the song, I
get yelled at. Whatever their condition. Anyway, anyway, the I
don't think you you you make it through. Now all
of a sudden, you're eighteen and now music leaves you cold?
(13:51):
Is this the most it leaves you void?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Most common type of andredonia?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
What do you mean based on what I am reading?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yes, No, I would imagine there's food antedonia. I would
imagine everything that they mentioned art anedonia. I may have
art no, because I got all excited for Eileen to
go see Storry Night.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I like art.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So music falls under physical antidonia. There's also social anadonia.
What is that you don't enjoy being around other people? Oh,
I'm surrounded by that. I didn't realize that I had this.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Wait, so you've got social anadotia.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I don't have that. I just hate people.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And you don't like being around them. Actually, they do
give you a response, it's negative.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, No, I don't have this. This is something that
would be debilitating. No, you'd be a gooraphobic. No, because
you could still be around people. That just gives you
no zero passion. You at least have passion. These Yeah,
these people can be around. They just nothing comes.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I love being around people. You'll be around people tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But the other types of physical in addition to music
are our Smells are a big one.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Where you smell something and you have no reaction to it. Yeah,
good or bad? And food is on here as all
food I believe smells. That's that's troublesome.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Oh I am reading though it could be the result
of a traumatic brain injury.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Okay, yeah, because you bunked your head. Well, the people
aren't born with it. The oh musical could be yes,
Oh but isn't that well nerm? But never mind?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
How bad is it Diane when he cuts himself off?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I no, no, But I mean like I'm looking at
and going like, well, no, dug you think not?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Even Shibo wasn't even grooving.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Terry Shivo reference.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Let the lady rest the are you kidding me? When
did she like twenty years ago?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
No way, bet me not twenty years ago? Less than
less than twenty Tyler I got money on.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Oh that's a bad over.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
No no, no, like really died? No, no, Iley died not.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I didn't say that, not eyeball in a balloon?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
When did she really go? So?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
How much are you betting each other?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Ten dollars? Ten dollars?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Just Diana, agree to the terms.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Okay, I'm not shaking the hand that you just pantomime
spitting on.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I didn't panami, I hot to it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
It go ahead, and Diana saying she died.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Twenty years ago, I said less.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
She actually died exactly in two thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
What wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
twenty years? What date? What dates? What date? What dates?
What date? If it's after it, if it's February.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Nineteenth, or mine, god, it's February nineteen.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I'm sorry. Was my birthday yesterday? Or was my birthday
January second?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Oh, somebody's getting all specific now when they.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Lost I'm doing it for Terry. What day did she die?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
She died in March?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And look at me, grew.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know what, you're never going to see ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Looking at that balloon.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
R crushed it. I'm sorry, shut up, you shut up,
crushed it. I did I knew it wasn't twenty years ago.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I'm short by a couple of weeks. That's a pretty
big parameter.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Be short by pull out that measuring tape. You can
be short by a couple of sea hairs. You're still short.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Never gone that.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Them bucks right in the old Coffers.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Line, get you know what I get my Montreal Elowett's money.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's rude. That's rude. You you shook on that, now,
I didn't you meant no? I didn't stop. Hi Elliott
the morning, Hey me, Yeah, Hi, who's this? Hey? This
is Dave, Yes, Dave. What can I do for you?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I just wanted to tell you, like, I'm just thinking
about songs that like make my hair stand on the
back of my neck, Iron Maiden, The Trooper Man.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
When that comes on, man, I just go excited, carry on.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
My wayward Son, all these other songs.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
I just can't see how people are desensitized to this.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Well, keep in mind, you don't. I don't want to
correct you. They're not desensitized to it.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
They were never sensitized to it, Like they've never had
like that like that, that that that reward, that rush
that you get where from hearing maiden where the hair
stands up on your neck.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
They've never they've never had that feeling. They've never been
able to elicit that response internally.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
They definitely should have to like apply for some grand
or disability for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Mann, I know, I mean if you don't, If you don't,
I mean, I mean, we all go through like life
and we have like bad days and stuff. And if
you haven't a bad day and the next thing, you know,
you know, your song comes on. You know, it could
be like Eddie Vedder, you know, a crazy marry Man and.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I you know, I played Crazy Mary.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
For like a whole damn month after I heard that
song because I loved it so much and it just
like makes you But man, they really need to apply
for some kind of disability or something because that that
part of their life.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I know, I know, I know, but that is but
that that's the beauty that well not beauty. That's the
reason for the study is what what's wrong with those people?
And what they're saying is there's nothing wrong with them.
That's how they were born, that's how their body is wired.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
No, you know what I think it is I think
they're two they're two over they over analyzed stuff. Because
I was with one person one time, and uh, I
was with I was a federal correctional officer and I
was sitting.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
On this one in me and he was an eye
a surgeon, we're ophthalmologist or whatever you call him, and
I would tell a joke to him, and he would
like sit there and he would analyze it all first.
Then he would like respond with like a fake laugh,
like ha ha ha. And I'm like, what the hell
(20:52):
is that? I said, you can't even naturally laugh? I said,
you are messed up, man, Yeah, I mean you think.
I think it's more of the person trying to overanalyze
what it is been letting them.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Music, Let the music get let them let the music
move you. Hey, what joke, Give me a joke, Give
me a joke.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Oh man.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
My uncle died about five years ago, and he would
always tell me he lived in ninety four.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Uh, a black bear and a you know, a white.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Rabbit out in the woods, and and the big bear
looks to the white rabbit he says, hey, buddy, you
have a you have a problem with like the crap
sticking to your fer and he says no, why, and
the big bat bear picks them up and wipes his
ass with the coffee to.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
The hey, Elliott, Elliott man, you you could make me
a freaking comedian.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
I remember, remember the hey, I tell you what you
need to call me back, because I could be like
the best stand up act. I mean, these people, these comedians,
they need like the next like George Carlin and sty here.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh my god, no, no, all right, very good. That's
a great joke. By the way, that's a great joke.
All right, very good, Thank you, my friend, Thank you
heard never know No, I didn't know it, Diane. Diane's
mimicking wiping her ASTs.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
She sort of stepped on the punch line now because
I thought everybody had heard it.
You want to look something up musical.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Which one.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Cats they miss West Side Story?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah? Did you type in musical? Uh huh okay?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Ann hendonia a n agd oh nia.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
What does that say?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It's a condition characterized by an inability to experience pleasure.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
From music at all. Wow, at all.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
They can perceive and understand music, but they don't find
it enjoyable or emotionally moving.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Even even a song that they know that normally would
elicit any kind of response nothing.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, Like you could come out and like cringe because
you hate a song, but.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You're reacting to action, an emotional response.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
So there's this whole study that was done of when
you hear music and you start to move a little
bit right, you may tap a foot, you may, you
may tap a hand, you may, you may you may
do What.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Am I doing here?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Bobbin?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, I'm moving right, I'm chair dancing. I'm doing a little.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Bit of this that gets classified as groove. Groove and
any of it gets classified as groove. So they were
trying to figure out are we hardwired to groove or
do we groove because we like m okay, and what
they believe they have found is you are hardwired to
(01:36):
groove because people with musical I don't know if I'm
pronouncing it, and and hondonia and.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Hodonia makes sense with the suffix hedonism, pleasure and without.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Right musical and hondonia that even people with musical and hordonia,
Is there anybody listening.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
That has it?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Can antedonia be applied to other situations? I would have
to why you can say musical because it's that's specific
to to this study, to this study.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Correct, So they were saying people with musical and and hodonia,
they may still groove.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Even if they got nothing out of it. Nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Oh, so that answers your question. Well, I mean it's
not my question, it's researchers. But that leads them to
believe we are hardwired to groove. Like you don't just
do it because it's a song you like. It may
actually be a song you don't like, and you're still
just kind of boffin.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I've definitely I've done that and caught dancing the songs
I've claimed I've hated.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I wouldn't say dancing, but moving or tapp into tone.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Acting.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, I can tell you this. I've never grooved. I
only dance.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
However, however, would it be possible to find anybody who
has legit music and a donia?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Is this a controversial diagnosis?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Would somebody?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I don't think it's controversial in that somebody would like like,
you wouldn't shame someone for it, You wouldn't bully someone
or make fun of them.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I'm saying, is this something that a doctor or maybe
a therapist would say you have. I don't mean controversial
in that it leads to any sort of like you said, bullying,
you're shaming. But is someone going to call and just say, yeah,
I don't like music because it because.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well I hope so, because then they would have musical antedonia.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Because specialists aren't telling people you you have this. Maybe
this is the first time it is that you've heard
the term, right.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Okay, but I would I can't fathom that there's not
like I don't like all genres of music.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I like a lot of genres of music.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I don't like every song in every genre, but there's
plenty of songs in every genre I like. So I
can't imagine hearing a song that I like and not
doing a little chair dance. Now, even if I have
music antedonia musical antidonia. I'm still gonna groove, but I
can't imagine hearing a song that well, I was gonna say,
(04:25):
they don't have a song that they love. I can't
imagine hearing a song that you love and not being like, yes, yes,
but it sounds like it's like I love System of
a Down, So hearing System of a Down over the
last couple of days, I'm like, yes, yes, but it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Doesn't have to be a song you have any sort
of past experiences with it. Sounds like it's not making
you emotional because you attribute it to something or you're
familiar with the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
It's any music, any music, correct.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
But they'll say even songs like if you take it
away from the genre standpoint and go like hey man,
I'll just I don't like country, where you would go
like okay. But they even said national anthem. You can
recognize it, you can appreciate what it is. I get
nothing out of it from a passion standpoint.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You recognize John Batiste version, but.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
In that nuts, I've never heard of that. Can you
have other antedonias?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Of course, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Feel bad for sufferers.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I can't imagine not liking music.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, but it's not even the way you describe it,
unless I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. It's not that you
don't like music, it just makes you feel nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
People with this condition can tell perfectly well whether a
melody is happy or sad, recognize what it is, including
a national anthem, or spot a wrong note in a
familiar turn tune. What makes them different is that music
simply doesn't give them an emotional buzz that most people experience.
(06:00):
While most of us get a rush of pleasure from
our favorite songs, people with musical antedonia process the same sounds,
just no response.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Fascinating.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I can't imagine that so far, and I want the
response in.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
The social media line. No one is claiming to suffer
from this.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
The existence of musical antedonia's puzzled scientists since its discovery.
How could someone understand music perfectly well but not feel
the emotional impact?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So Originally did they think that these people like couldn't
process the sounds they were hearing, and that's what led
to the confusion or lack of a response.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Correct, but it's not that no, No, As a matter
of fact, they can groove and.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You're the little thing about music theory and just the
recognizing of incorrect notes.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
The condition effects a subset of otherwise healthy individuals who
enjoy other pleasurable experiences in a normal way. For example,
they can appreciate art, they can enjoy good food, they
can form strong emotional connections, just not with music.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Abby says, he has it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh is this going to be some dumb No, oh really, I.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
May have it. I could truly care less about music.
Once your show is over, I drive around in silence,
and I don't enjoy concerts.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Interesting, is his I'm being serious? Does he not hear
any Rejoiner song we've ever played.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And go and like react to it?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Oh, wow, that's.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Pretty good, or oh that's that's interesting, that's new and interesting,
or oh windows down, this makes me want to smoke.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Nothing, it's just get to us.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I'm feeling an emotion right now. No disappointment. We all
be time I spend crafting this playlist, curating it. Remember,
this is sonically the most interesting thing to find on
the radio, hands down.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He may have it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Now the concert thing could be something else. Was there
anything in there about live music? It was just music,
just music, music in general. Hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But I'll groove at at a concert.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I don't chair dance, and then I'm up on my
feet unless it's a seated show, then I'll chare dance.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Uh uh. Katie on Facebook does she have it? Katie says,
my husband never grooves. Didn't you say you're hardwired?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You're hardwired. You are hardwired to groove.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Even if maybe he's not obvious, even if he loves
the song, he won't. It drives me nuts. That goes
against all the resarchs.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
He won't tap his foot, he won't tap his fingers.
He won't.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
He won't ever air guitar or tap on a steering
wheel like it's a drum.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
That seems hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And impossible to pull off.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You are hard wired to groove. You'll groove to songs
you don't like.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
No comments on my playlist line too, Hi Elliott the morning?
Hey is this me?
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Who's this? Hey?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
It's Pete Enrichment.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yes, sir, Hey, I'm.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
A musician and this time's right.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Just am over it, you know, I just I just
want to stop and I need something more. It's like
so maybe that's where it stems from. It's just like
being tired of the same old, same old.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
And but you still enjoy hearing a song that well,
I don't want to say enjoy. You'll get an emotional
response to a song you like.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Every now and then, but there's there's days where I
just won't even turn the radio on or pick up
an instrument. It's just like it get burnt out on
and all the bs that associated with it.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
And but like you said, I was still.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Are you like the Baskin Robbins worker that hates ice
cream now.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Pretty much?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (10:29):
I mean it's not that you hate it, since you
have your days where it's not a no.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But would you be able to would you be able
to go like, Okay, this song, how can you like
the song?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I don't like the song?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
But then here's something completely different, completely other, like completely
different genre, and then.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Go, oh, you know what?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Like that's that that's given me a little bit of
I don't I don't want to say joy, but it's
given me like a little bit of you know, a
little bit of oomph.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
I just think it something goes with someone like me.
You know, it's a I don't think anybody can say
they they hate music and they don't like music. It's
just you have your your days where you just over
it all right.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I might be able to give you that, But I
don't even know, Thank you, sir, thank you. I don't
even know if people with music and a donia would
say they hate music.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
No, I don't think they hate music at all from
what you said.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
No, I just think it does nothing different.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
He sounds like he's kind of burnt out.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, you know what it sounds like to me, like
he's he's he's tired of he's tired of the sausage factory.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Oh now, so since maybe he doesn't exactly have it
at least.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I don't think he does. I don't think he does
the definition that because he even said he could hear
something else.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
And like it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
A couple of people have wondered, is it something you're
born with? You'd have to be so you don't develop this.
You can't unwire this.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Cur genes may predispose people to musical antedonia.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, you don't unwire yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I know that you said you're hardwired to groove, but
you didn't say you're hardwired to suffer from anaedonia.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
No, No, but I think that if you were like,
at what age, what age do you start to appreciate music?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Baby? Well not baby?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yes, yes, and you're listening.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah, so in you to row, I would sit there
inside your belly and government.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It's still it's still no, Like, at.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
What point are you like you want music.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
People put when they're when babies are first born, they'll
put on music for them to fall asleep.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And did Marley reach up to turn it up when
she liked it? No?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
No, no, no, I'm saying, like, at what point is
are you going?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I like that?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I want more, I want that, I want to turn
it up. I want I want to find a song
that I may like.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
More than that.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
They bounce when they're dancing.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Everybody's hardwired for that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
See that's proof though to.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Me, No, no, but you know what I mean, Like,
you're not if you put if you strap headphones on
your stomach, that has nothing to do with me. That's you.
I'm talking about me as an individual. You're young, you're
young when you start liking music. It may be you know,
I love you like.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Whatever the song is.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's music that calms newborns, yeah, and and infants. So
I think it's younger than you. You want them to vocalize.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I want them to be Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I guess they are showing that if they if they
stop right, okay, all right, or maybe they know if
I don't stop crying when I hear the song, I
get yelled at. Whatever their condition. Anyway, anyway, the I
don't think you you you make it through. Now all
of a sudden, you're eighteen and now music leaves you cold?
(13:51):
Is this the most it leaves you void?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Most common type of andredonia?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
What do you mean based on what I am reading?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yes, No, I would imagine there's food antedonia. I would
imagine everything that they mentioned art anedonia. I may have
art no, because I got all excited for Eileen to
go see Storry Night.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I like art.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So music falls under physical antidonia. There's also social anadonia.
What is that you don't enjoy being around other people? Oh,
I'm surrounded by that. I didn't realize that I had this.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Wait, so you've got social anadotia.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I don't have that. I just hate people.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And you don't like being around them. Actually, they do
give you a response, it's negative.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, No, I don't have this. This is something that
would be debilitating. No, you'd be a gooraphobic. No, because
you could still be around people. That just gives you
no zero passion. You at least have passion. These Yeah,
these people can be around. They just nothing comes.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I love being around people. You'll be around people tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But the other types of physical in addition to music
are our Smells are a big one.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Where you smell something and you have no reaction to it. Yeah,
good or bad? And food is on here as all
food I believe smells. That's that's troublesome.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Oh I am reading though it could be the result
of a traumatic brain injury.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Okay, yeah, because you bunked your head. Well, the people
aren't born with it. The oh musical could be yes,
Oh but isn't that well nerm? But never mind?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
How bad is it Diane when he cuts himself off?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I no, no, But I mean like I'm looking at
and going like, well, no, dug you think not?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Even Shibo wasn't even grooving.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Terry Shivo reference.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Let the lady rest the are you kidding me? When
did she like twenty years ago?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
No way, bet me not twenty years ago? Less than
less than twenty Tyler I got money on.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Oh that's a bad over.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
No no, no, like really died? No, no, Iley died not.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I didn't say that, not eyeball in a balloon?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
When did she really go? So?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
How much are you betting each other?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Ten dollars? Ten dollars?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Just Diana, agree to the terms.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Okay, I'm not shaking the hand that you just pantomime
spitting on.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I didn't panami, I hot to it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
It go ahead, and Diana saying she died.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Twenty years ago, I said less.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
She actually died exactly in two thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
What wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
twenty years? What date? What dates? What date? What dates?
What date? If it's after it, if it's February.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Nineteenth, or mine, god, it's February nineteen.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I'm sorry. Was my birthday yesterday? Or was my birthday
January second?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Oh, somebody's getting all specific now when they.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Lost I'm doing it for Terry. What day did she die?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
She died in March?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And look at me, grew.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know what, you're never going to see ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Looking at that balloon.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
R crushed it. I'm sorry, shut up, you shut up,
crushed it. I did I knew it wasn't twenty years ago.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I'm short by a couple of weeks. That's a pretty
big parameter.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Be short by pull out that measuring tape. You can
be short by a couple of sea hairs. You're still short.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Never gone that.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Them bucks right in the old Coffers.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Line, get you know what I get my Montreal Elowett's money.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's rude. That's rude. You you shook on that, now,
I didn't you meant no? I didn't stop. Hi Elliott
the morning, Hey me, Yeah, Hi, who's this? Hey? This
is Dave, Yes, Dave. What can I do for you?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I just wanted to tell you, like, I'm just thinking
about songs that like make my hair stand on the
back of my neck, Iron Maiden, The Trooper Man.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
When that comes on, man, I just go excited, carry on.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
My wayward Son, all these other songs.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
I just can't see how people are desensitized to this.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Well, keep in mind, you don't. I don't want to
correct you. They're not desensitized to it.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
They were never sensitized to it, Like they've never had
like that like that, that that that reward, that rush
that you get where from hearing maiden where the hair
stands up on your neck.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
They've never they've never had that feeling. They've never been
able to elicit that response internally.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
They definitely should have to like apply for some grand
or disability for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Mann, I know, I mean if you don't, If you don't,
I mean, I mean, we all go through like life
and we have like bad days and stuff. And if
you haven't a bad day and the next thing, you know,
you know, your song comes on. You know, it could
be like Eddie Vedder, you know, a crazy marry Man and.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I you know, I played Crazy Mary.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
For like a whole damn month after I heard that
song because I loved it so much and it just
like makes you But man, they really need to apply
for some kind of disability or something because that that
part of their life.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I know, I know, I know, but that is but
that that's the beauty that well not beauty. That's the
reason for the study is what what's wrong with those people?
And what they're saying is there's nothing wrong with them.
That's how they were born, that's how their body is wired.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
No, you know what I think it is I think
they're two they're two over they over analyzed stuff. Because
I was with one person one time, and uh, I
was with I was a federal correctional officer and I
was sitting.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
On this one in me and he was an eye
a surgeon, we're ophthalmologist or whatever you call him, and
I would tell a joke to him, and he would
like sit there and he would analyze it all first.
Then he would like respond with like a fake laugh,
like ha ha ha. And I'm like, what the hell
(20:52):
is that? I said, you can't even naturally laugh? I said,
you are messed up, man, Yeah, I mean you think.
I think it's more of the person trying to overanalyze
what it is been letting them.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Music, Let the music get let them let the music
move you. Hey, what joke, Give me a joke, Give
me a joke.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Oh man.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
My uncle died about five years ago, and he would
always tell me he lived in ninety four.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Uh, a black bear and a you know, a white.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Rabbit out in the woods, and and the big bear
looks to the white rabbit he says, hey, buddy, you
have a you have a problem with like the crap
sticking to your fer and he says no, why, and
the big bat bear picks them up and wipes his
ass with the coffee to.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
The hey, Elliott, Elliott man, you you could make me
a freaking comedian.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
I remember, remember the hey, I tell you what you
need to call me back, because I could be like
the best stand up act. I mean, these people, these comedians,
they need like the next like George Carlin and sty here.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh my god, no, no, all right, very good. That's
a great joke. By the way, that's a great joke.
All right, very good, Thank you, my friend, Thank you
heard never know No, I didn't know it, Diane. Diane's
mimicking wiping her ASTs.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
She sort of stepped on the punch line now because
I thought everybody had heard it.
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