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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Amy from a dumfery.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Sorry my voice is all this so oh that's okay,
So is mine Amy?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Do you have a you you have a service dog.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
My husband has a PTSD service dog. He got him
last year. His name is Paco.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Your husband's name is Paco, or the dog's name is Paco.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Oh sorry, my husband's name is Hunter. The dog's name
is Paco. The dog is actually named after a former
Army veteran who lost his fight's PTSD. The organizationally got
him from named him after that soldier.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh, you know what, that's kind of cool. That's I
like that story.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I mean, obviously not the the other part of it,
but I like the I like the naming after him.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That's very cool.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey, can I ask you this when you when you're
when your husband got the the service dog, did it
take a long time for the service dog to be
available for him?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So we we met Taco when he was about like
a year and eight months through his training, So we
did two years of training. We met him probably in
like March of last year, and in July he came
to be with us full time. He did a I
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called him like internships, like he'd come for a weekend
to kind of get a little assimilated, right, and then
go back to more training. And then yeah, I did
a couple of weekends, and then once we had him
full time, my husband did about two weeks of on
hand training with the organization, just to make sure that
everything was kind of squared away.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Can I ask you, can I ask you one other question?
When when when the person and I understand that the
organization was training the dog, right, but in terms of
where the dog was living, was the dog living with
the organization or was the dog living with a puppy razor?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So he had a puppy raiser, and coincidentally, his very
first puppy raiser, I guess was not a great fit.
He got replaced to another great puppy raiser within the
same organization. But Paco would go to work essentially, and
then up until he was placed with us, he went
home to the puppy.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Raiser every night.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
He Right, So I was reading yesterday, I've never heard
of puppy raisers, right, But apparently, thank you, ma'am, thank you.
Apparently there is a a need for puppy raisers that
I guess they were. They were they were talking about
that as the demand for service dogs grow, they're in
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need of more and more puppy raizors. So they were
talking to so they did the story on this one
couple and it's out of here. Pat and Jane Hipsley.
They live in Cadenceville, Okay. And where is the I
wrote down the name of the or highlight the name
of the organization.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Warrior Canine Connection, a service dog nonprofit Emboids, Maryland.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah, buy me.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Do you know Molly Elmore?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
I feel like my wife and children have volunteered there?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Have they really?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
I would need to fact check that, but I think
that is the organization they worked.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
With puppy raisers. So they talked to this woman named
Molly Elmore. Does anybody know Molly? Can we see if
we can find Molly. Molly Elmore a volunteer program manager
at Warrior Canine Connection in Boids, Maryland. So anyway, this couple,
Pat and Jane Hipsley, they've raised seventeen dogs. Now, not
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all at the same time. Yeah, not all at the
same time. Normally they'll have like two or three that
they have. But they were saying, so the need for
puppy raisers is growing because, like I said, the the
number of service dogs needed keeps going up.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Now, I too have never heard that term puppy razors,
never heard of it. But I've heard of foster's and
you've done that. How is this different than that set up?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So foster I'm keeping so like when we foster a dog, right,
it's six weeks. I just make sure that it gets
loved on, and I set up a couple of visits.
If you're a puppy razor, you are, Do I have
this right? I believe it's two years? Oh oh wow,
(04:37):
I believe it's two years.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
That's a difference.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And not only is it two years, I want to
make sure I have that right. I believe it is
that you have them for two years.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Maybe it's eight. Yeah, here it is.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
In the world of service dogs, the hip Hipsley's are
known as puppy raisers, volunteers who house, socialize, in transport
puppies to and from weekly classes from their first weeks
until they're ready for formal training at around eighteen to
twenty four months. So you got them for a haul,
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that's for sure, and you got to take them to
their training stuff. You obviously got a puppy train them.
You got two or three of them in the house
at the time, so yeah, you have them for you
have them for a good long while. I also didn't
realize it took that long. Now I get that they're
not going to be trained in a weekend. I understand that,
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but I don't know that I realized that they were
with you for two years.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well especially not in this home.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
No, that's volunteering. Yeah, so you got a volunteer to
do this. And by the way, what a great gift
to give somebody. Now, the Hipsleys will tell you what
Elliott would do. They cry every time they give the dog.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
Imagine like raising this dog for two years and then
you got to give it up, you know how.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
They said, the best way to get over that is
new puppy, bring another puppy.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
By the way, it was confirmed it was pre COVID,
but they went and did puppy petting.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Oh did they really?
Speaker 6 (06:10):
They would cuddle the new litters.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Oh that's awesome. That's awesome. And I'm looking at that.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
It looks like they're exclusive to labs like they whether
it's organization.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Wow, So they have these puppy razors and you, dude,
they take in some some dude. Like I was reading
about another couple. They're also from here. I can't remember
where where they're where they're from, husband, wife, four kids, all.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Of them, say again, all of them are puppy raisers.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
No, that's in their house. Oh oh why four kids,
all of them young. I think it's four kids under
the age of seven. And then they have I think
two dogs that they puppy raised. Jesus age, how busy
are you? Is there any you got to feed them?
You're a volunteer, like when we, like when we fostered.
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Now maybe it's different, but like when we fostered, we
had to pay for the dog's food.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But again they say, you're not think of the gift
that you're giving somebody.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So the gift that you're giving them makes it worth it.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Is there a count on how many there may be
in the US?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
How many puppy raisers? Yeah? Oh that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I know the Hipsleys have raised seventeen dogs, so let's
extrapolate from that. I don't I don't know how many
puppy raisers there are. I do know they need more.
I don't know that I could. I mean, listen, I'd
love to do it. I would love to do it,
and I love all the training. I would want to
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put my dogs in with the training, like, hey, can
you train them.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And also just throw mine in there? Throw mine in
so I get that the training.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Oh I wonder if you can have your own dog
and a puppy razor dog. I bet you ken, yeah,
because I mean, you're just socializing.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
On I'm basing that on being the husband of someone
who went and pet them a couple of times. But
you said that it takes a long time to train
the dogs, but when it comes to the wait list
for the dogs, it's got to be even longer than
just the training.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
For people who need the service dogs.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yes, oh yeah, oh, they said it takes years years
in some cases. I don't know how it's done. I
don't know how all the organizations run. But they said
the waiting time for somebody who needs a dog is
very long, that it takes years for them to be
able to get a dog because there's and they said
one thing that would help that is puppy raisers so
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that you can get more of them going.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Puppy raisers. I get it now that you've explained it,
but it almost sounds like not with your description, but
there's there's like a negative quality to those two words together.
It almost sounds like you're putting down what's happening when
what they're doing is incredible.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
It's a great service. But it kind of sounds like
I'm running a dog fighting round.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
Like a.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Puppy razors or it's like the nice way of saying
readers now, because no one likes breeders, so it's like,
let's not say they're they're puppy razers.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Right, Yeah, I'll tell you that never crossed my mind.
That never, That never occurred to me.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
But to learn the term for the first time this
morning and then have you explain it, it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Eloquently Where am I going? Line three? Hi Elliott in
the morning.
Speaker 9 (09:38):
Hey Elliott, it's blind John.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Oh, hey dude, how are you well? You got a
service dog? I've seen it. You haven't, absolutely, Oh, John knows.
I'm kidding anyway.
Speaker 9 (09:53):
Yes, you can say, you can say whatever you want
about me whenever you want.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It's all good, bline John.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You you've got a sense of you the now, John,
how long. Did it take you a long time to
get your to get your dog?
Speaker 9 (10:06):
So I want to say, at my school, which is
called the Seeing Eye in New Jersey, the trainers come
out to me. We did an in home interview. They
go for a whole walk so they know, like they
basically pretend that they're the dog and they put the
harness in my hand and they walk to make sure
that my pace is good. They kind of get a
sense of my personality. They came in April, and I
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want to say, I got a call. I was very lucky.
I got a call around September right to come to
say that they believe that they found a match for me. Okay,
so the way it works, yeah, I'm lucky. Now some
people it takes a year. Because the Seeing I does this.
(10:53):
You know, they're the oldest Seeing Eye dog school in
the in the country. They're the first. So because they
always have a constant pipeline of dogs through their breeders
and such, they are able to match a little faster.
But they really try their best to match you with
a dog that walks up your pace, that has sort
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of the same kind of personality that's good at working
in the environments that you travel through a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Hey, John's remind me, but is your dog's name?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I mean, I have this wrong. I apologize. Is your
dog's name Egor?
Speaker 9 (11:28):
Yep, it's Igor?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Thank you, thank you the in terms.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Of good no, no, I was just gonna say when
Egor like, did he was Egor puppy like puppy raised
like with a family, or was he puppy raised through
the school.
Speaker 9 (11:43):
So the way it works for most Seeing eye dog
or guy dog schools is they breed them usually so
they have their own breeding program and the geneticis and
things like that. They stay with the puppy taking care
of the puppy group at the school for a little bit,
for as soon as they can lean off the mother,
and then they get sent to puppy raisers that are
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puppy raisers for the school, right, they're volunteers, just like
you said. They stay with them for about a year
and they go through the all the things that I'm
glad I did not have to deal with Igor about,
so all the behavior, the potty training, the socialization and
all that. They do all of that for a year
and then after about a year the school you give
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the dog back to the school, then the school does
all their training.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And that's when the hardcore training starts. Right.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But I mean and no, John, I mean this with
no disrespect, but you couldn't do that part like you couldn't.
And I'm not saying this to be mean or to
make a joke. But if the dog, I'm being very serious,
you'd smell it, obviously. But if the dog took a
crap in the house while you're puppy training in you
don't necessarily know where that is or if it took a.
Speaker 9 (12:53):
Piss, right, And I mean, I grew up with dogs,
so I mean I I know what it's like to
step in poop and tea, right, But yeah, I mean
it's it's challenging. It's not that you can't do it,
but it is challenging. And honestly, puppy raisers are so
important to the service dog community. I don't care what
kind of service dog it is, right, because they're the
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ones who get all the fundamental things done with the
dog so that they know how to behave in public.
And I will say this for for folks who are
thinking about maybe being a puppy raiser. First of all,
every organization that I know of whether it's CNI Dog
schools or any you know, the Warrior Canon Connection which
you talked about, which is an excellent organization by the way.
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But they all need puppy raisers.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
There's a real drowd of them. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (13:46):
Yeah, and there's and there's a list of I mean
there's every school organization needs them. And I will say
there are some really Puppy raisers do so much because
they basically when you're going through the program and you're
a puppy raiser, you basically get the same privileges that
the handler gets, so you get to take your dog
everywhere with you. You know, they get the same kind
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of legal rights because the idea.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Is that that's cool.
Speaker 9 (14:13):
You want to expose the dog to all the environmental
things that the dog would be exposed to when they're
working with you.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So they have to start that early. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
So they have to start that early. John.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I appreciate the I appreciate the phone call. Thank you sir,
Thank you, Bubby.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Hey you got a letter, brother, Yeah, I mean you would.
I mean, you can't just keep him in your house.
They say you got to socialize them like the hips
Ley's or I think I'm saying their name right. They
talk about how they used to take the dog at
some point and they'd have to walk into a busy
intersection where there's like cars and honking and all that
stuff because.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
They but John's got to get across the street.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
We ain't gonna froger its photo.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Look how young, Oh wow? Oh, look how small the
dogs are.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Yeah, so it was a while ago.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now just imagine your wife and daughter for two years
with that and then going, well, here you go take
it back.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Has there ever been a case and I'd like to
say no, but people are human where the razor has
taught the dog how to fail the final exam.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Because it it'd be very hard to do.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Kristen mentioned the documentary picked the Letter. I watched the
Disney series based on the documentary, and that final test
is incredibly hard, difficult. It is the slightest misstep or
or well, I mean the slightest misstep. John gets hit
by a fill. Yeah, so you understand it. But if
you fail, we've heard of this. People then get the
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dog and can keep the dog.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Oh look at me with seventeen dogs?
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Well, no, ifs this one, maybe they maybe there's twin
has anybody sabotaged the final test?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay, I let me answer with what I hope. No,
let me answer with what I believe. Yeah, probably, Yeah,
probably I would. I would think that too, I would. Yeah, No,
I mean the odds have to be yes, Like the
dogs trying to do the test and you've got like
a kong full of peanut.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Butter on the side. Oh, what's over there? Hi Elliott
in the.
Speaker 10 (16:17):
Morning, Hey Elliott, it's John down and out of Booie.
I actually used to volunteer at the Warrior Canine Connection.
I'm actually a prior service marine, so it was like
really dope to like be able to give back. But
those people are wonderful. The dogs out there are like
incredibly incredibly smart. But yeah, so like they have the
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puppy raisers that like basically the dog lived there and
they get exposed to like everything that the dogs would
be exposed like while they're actually like in service, but
the puppy raisers don't just raise them like Warrior Canine
Connection provides like vet services, food services, treats all of
those things for the puppy raisers, right, and then the
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puppy raisers are also like responsible, not just for like
raising their dog, but like training outside of like where
like everything that happens at the actual facility and everything
like that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You know what would be fun?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You know, it would be awesome if all of us
were puppy razors and we just bring the dogs in
every day. I got to bring them in, Yeah, they
got to come to work. But if you have the
same protection station can't say anything. I'm essentially blind, John,
but with just better visions. Yeah, why can't I? Hey,
can you do you know the answer to this? If
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you have if you have personal dogs of your own,
can you be a puppy razor because you're treating them different.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
The lad if I remember correctly, the answer is yes,
and they actually want the dogs to be like socialized,
not just with.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Humans but also with other dogs. Right you're calling up everywhere?
Speaker 10 (17:50):
Yeah, and so you can. But obviously you're you're treating
them at least a little bit differently in terms of
because one of the beets and one is more of
like a working animal.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, like Aaron's not going to let me bring my
personal dogs in here, but the service dog I can
bring that in all day. Hell, I may I may
call warrior canine or I hope I have the name right,
I may adopt twenty or puppy raising. You don't adopt them, Elliott, Well,
they failed the test, you do, and I bring them
all in.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Hey, I appreciate it. Thank you sir.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
From Instagram. I know someone who's a puppy raiser and
the dog failed the test to be a service dog,
so they kept the dog.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Doesn't say if there was intent, but how well trained
is that? That dog's better than most dogs? Seriously? Yeah,
that dog's got to be great.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
And I've already been schlepping them around every year, everywhere
for two years. When you're oh, I have another question
for a puppy razor, because this is a good thing
to know.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Hi, Elliot, the morning sounds like a scheme.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
Hello, Yeah, Hi, who's that the Samantha?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yes, Amanda? What can I do for you?
Speaker 9 (18:49):
Well?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I just don't know. You know, my brother, who is
in law enforcement, worked he's worked in all facets, but
he got to work with the K ninety nets and
they if for some reason the dog can't pass one
little like it doesn't mean it might be minute. They
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have to get either rid of them and someone can
adopt them. And take them out.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Right or yeah, that kind of is what what Tyler
said is that they fail, then you get to hold
on to them. Here's my question though, here's my Oh
sorry I hit the button. Sorry, here's my question though.
When they're when when I'm puppy raising, right, let's just say,
why did you put it in quotes?
Speaker 9 (19:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, because I'm not training the dog, you know what
I mean? Like, they get trained, but it's living with
me and they.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Want the deal stay say goodbye. That's the headline of
the article.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
But do they still get the vest? While John.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
John said you are given all of the protections.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I'm given the protections. But does that mean the dog
gets the vest? Yes, so the dog fails still has
the vest. Okay, Elliott, I take that dog everywhere? When everywhere?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah? Please take that Aaron line eight, Hi Ellie in
the morning.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Does Aaron hate dogs?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
No? No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But no, like Aaron doesn't want me bringing dogs into
the office.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
He wants to keep this place professional.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I'm sorry, who's this?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, hi, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 9 (20:23):
See.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
I'm currently raising a puppy for a local organization that
actually is headquartered right next to war doctor brewery.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
It's called Hero Dogs.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
Right, and they train service dogs for veterans and first responders.
So it's a smaller organization than Warrior Canine Connection, but
it's still a great organization. And she's my second puppy.
My first one is out with his veteran and so
I have her for about a year and then he
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goes to advanced training what we call POP the puppy
raiser mom called college, right, and then they're in.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Training for I don't know.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
My other dog was only in training for like four
months before he got paired. But I have to say,
I think this girl is smarter than the boy that
I had. But you know, I take I take her
to work two or three you know, I'm in the
office two or three days a week. She's buy right now.
You know, they get a vests as they start wearing
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a vest at like ten weeks old, and you you know,
as a service dog, they're covered under the ADA. So
she's allowed to go everywhere. Had to like do special
training to take her on the metro. We go to
a puppy class two times a month. She's required to
do a certain amount of outings with other trainers and
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other service dogs, but like like people have said, it's
the socialization is the most important peace.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
But once the dog, like once the dog went to
the the veteran that the dog went to, do you
stay in touch with.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Them at all?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Okay, this is a little freaky.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
So they when they go to their veteran, you don't
have any They give them your contact information. After about
three months, they kind of want them to bond, right,
and then the veteran has a choice of whether or
not to have, you know, like an open adoption, whether
they want to be in contact at that point exactly.
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And then they also then get the dog. They all
these dogs have their own Instagram account. I emailed Tyler
what her Instagram account was, and then.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
They also decide.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Whether they want to have the dog on social media.
But for my other dog, it turns out like I
got a message on Facebook the day after he went
home with his veteran that someone that I used to
work with literally twenty five years ago, he got paired
with this woman's husband, So like, I haven't kept in
touch with her, but we reconnected. So I get to
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follow him now on Facebook. But we haven't connected in
person yet because it's only been a little under three months.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I gotcha.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
I'm hoping to see him. But and the what I
really do like about Hero dogs is that all the
dogs stay in this area. You have to be like
within an hour of their headquarters. Warrior Canine Connection is
a much bigger organization. They partner with Wounded Warrior projects,
so their dogs go like all over.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
The under Sure. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Hey, I appreciate the phone call. Thank you, ma'am. Yeah,
there's the there's the pictures. I hope they told that
one dog down because it's the only one down while
the others are sitting up.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Failed all adopted. I get to keep the best, right,
Dog's beautiful.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Yeah, it's pretty dog.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't know that I can give it up.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh wait, hold on, I have to go to line
what line? Line seven? Hi Ellie in the morning. Hello, Yeah, Hi,
who's this?
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Uh? Hey, my name's Mike. The Hipsleys are my parents.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
What are your parents' names?
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Jane and Pat?
Speaker 9 (24:13):
Yeap?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You're great? How are you, sir?
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
It's nice too, nice to talk to you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I read this whole story about your parents being puppy razors.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Yeah, I didn't know anything about it till yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Oh really, Oh wait, wait, wait the story. That's exactly
what I was going to ask.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You didn't know about the story or that they've been
raising dogs for all these years?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Oh no, no, no, you can't walk into their house
about being attacked by by a brude. We didn't. I
didn't know anything about the story until yesterday. Uh. They
just sent an email said, hey, we're in the New
York Times.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So let's what Hey, can I can I? And what
remind me? What was your first name against sir?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
My name is Mike, Mike Mike, right, So in reading
about it, you your mom and dad, Pat and Jane,
they became puppy Razors because of your brother.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Correct, yes, right, So the.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
My brother Chris, he was a combat medic. He did
two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. It was,
you know, like a lot of veterans of experience, it
was really hard. And yeah, he came back with woims
you couldn't see. And he fought him for as long
as he could. And then yeah, in twenty fourteen, he
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took his own life.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right, And so in reading that, that's where I read
and you know, I mean, listen, it's whatever was written
in the article, but it was your mom and dad
who said, we have to do something, like what can
we do to give back? Yeah, so that there isn't
you know, listen, it's not going to end everything. But
that's what happened with our son. We have to do something,
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we have to try to provide, and so that's what
kind of got them started in working with that, with
the program to raise puppies to be puppy raisers in
the hopes that they would be able to raise these
dogs and go to other service members or anybody who
needs a dog, whether it's medical or PTSD related, and
to be able to help them out. I thought it
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was a beautiful way that you know, these two people
because at first you're like, oh god.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
These people just love dogs.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
But I thought it was a beautiful way to kind
of I don't know pay it forward is the right way,
but like remember their son, I guess, or honor their son.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
But they even said, oh sorry, but the brother and
some would know best. But in the article they pointed
out that yes, paying it forward was the goal. But Jack,
which was that first black lab they got, they they
said probably saved their lives.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yes, And Jack is actually our dog, well, Jack didn't
make it through the training, and a lot of with
a lot of dogs that don't make it through the training,
just Jack barks and like that doesn't work really well
with with soldiers. They have PTSD. So the dogs that
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don't make it through the training, they'll make into military
family dogs. So because of it was their first dog,
and because of our connection with Chris, we actually have
raised Jack. Jack is Tim and he was laying right
next to me.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Oh wow, that's awesome. By the way, I just found
my hook. I stand in there.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I teach the dog that when I when I when
I snap, you bark. So when he goes through the thing,
I just stand in the back. I just kind of
snapped my fingers.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Dog barks. Look I got Jack.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Sorry, man, Yeah, that would that would do it.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So, but being in and obviously your parents know this,
but it does seem like in reading this, there really
is a huge, a huge need for more puppy razors
in the world.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Yes, there, I know Warrior can On they have more
dogs than they have puppy Razors and so a lot
of times they're dogs that are doing well, they'll they'll
transfer to other organizations. For other training. But I mean,
I know they'd love to be giving more dogs to
vets and fulfilling their mission. Uh so yeah. I mean
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if if you're in the area and you're in a
season of life where you can do this, you know,
it is a lot of work. But you know, my
parents love what they do, and I think you know
it's they're able to provide for, you know, other soldiers
that have been wounded. What they wish that my brother
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had gotten sure, which is it's been amazing to watch
as of the last it's been ten years.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Now, and I'll tell you what. Those dogs seem like.
They love your parents' bed.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's mayhem a lot
of times over and pulled over their house. And uh
sometimes they'll have five six dogs, like if they with
the dog they're training, and then they're puppy sitting for
another family that's out of town and so watching the
dog for a weekend, and so you've been leaping over
there and like you just get like almost literally tackled
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by puppies when you walk through the door.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's great, pretty cool, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Hey, Well listen, I'm glad, Uh, thank you very much
for calling. Tell your parents that I really enjoyed reading
about them.
This is Amy from a dumfery.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Sorry my voice is all this so oh that's okay,
So is mine Amy?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Do you have a you you have a service dog.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
My husband has a PTSD service dog. He got him
last year. His name is Paco.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Your husband's name is Paco, or the dog's name is Paco.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Oh sorry, my husband's name is Hunter. The dog's name
is Paco. The dog is actually named after a former
Army veteran who lost his fight's PTSD. The organizationally got
him from named him after that soldier.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh, you know what, that's kind of cool. That's I
like that story.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I mean, obviously not the the other part of it,
but I like the I like the naming after him.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That's very cool.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey, can I ask you this when you when you're
when your husband got the the service dog, did it
take a long time for the service dog to be
available for him?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So we we met Taco when he was about like
a year and eight months through his training, So we
did two years of training. We met him probably in
like March of last year, and in July he came
to be with us full time. He did a I
(01:18):
called him like internships, like he'd come for a weekend
to kind of get a little assimilated, right, and then
go back to more training. And then yeah, I did
a couple of weekends, and then once we had him
full time, my husband did about two weeks of on
hand training with the organization, just to make sure that
everything was kind of squared away.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Can I ask you, can I ask you one other question?
When when when the person and I understand that the
organization was training the dog, right, but in terms of
where the dog was living, was the dog living with
the organization or was the dog living with a puppy razor?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So he had a puppy raiser, and coincidentally, his very
first puppy raiser, I guess was not a great fit.
He got replaced to another great puppy raiser within the
same organization. But Paco would go to work essentially, and
then up until he was placed with us, he went
home to the puppy.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Raiser every night.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
He Right, So I was reading yesterday, I've never heard
of puppy raisers, right, But apparently, thank you, ma'am, thank you.
Apparently there is a a need for puppy raisers that
I guess they were. They were they were talking about
that as the demand for service dogs grow, they're in
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need of more and more puppy raizors. So they were
talking to so they did the story on this one
couple and it's out of here. Pat and Jane Hipsley.
They live in Cadenceville, Okay. And where is the I
wrote down the name of the or highlight the name
of the organization.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Warrior Canine Connection, a service dog nonprofit Emboids, Maryland.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah, buy me.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Do you know Molly Elmore?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
I feel like my wife and children have volunteered there?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Have they really?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
I would need to fact check that, but I think
that is the organization they worked.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
With puppy raisers. So they talked to this woman named
Molly Elmore. Does anybody know Molly? Can we see if
we can find Molly. Molly Elmore a volunteer program manager
at Warrior Canine Connection in Boids, Maryland. So anyway, this couple,
Pat and Jane Hipsley, they've raised seventeen dogs. Now, not
(03:47):
all at the same time. Yeah, not all at the
same time. Normally they'll have like two or three that
they have. But they were saying, so the need for
puppy raisers is growing because, like I said, the the
number of service dogs needed keeps going up.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Now, I too have never heard that term puppy razors,
never heard of it. But I've heard of foster's and
you've done that. How is this different than that set up?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So foster I'm keeping so like when we foster a dog, right,
it's six weeks. I just make sure that it gets
loved on, and I set up a couple of visits.
If you're a puppy razor, you are, Do I have
this right? I believe it's two years? Oh oh wow,
(04:37):
I believe it's two years.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
That's a difference.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And not only is it two years, I want to
make sure I have that right. I believe it is
that you have them for two years.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Maybe it's eight. Yeah, here it is.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
In the world of service dogs, the hip Hipsley's are
known as puppy raisers, volunteers who house, socialize, in transport
puppies to and from weekly classes from their first weeks
until they're ready for formal training at around eighteen to
twenty four months. So you got them for a haul,
(05:12):
that's for sure, and you got to take them to
their training stuff. You obviously got a puppy train them.
You got two or three of them in the house
at the time, so yeah, you have them for you
have them for a good long while. I also didn't
realize it took that long. Now I get that they're
not going to be trained in a weekend. I understand that,
(05:33):
but I don't know that I realized that they were
with you for two years.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well especially not in this home.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
No, that's volunteering. Yeah, so you got a volunteer to
do this. And by the way, what a great gift
to give somebody. Now, the Hipsleys will tell you what
Elliott would do. They cry every time they give the dog.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
Imagine like raising this dog for two years and then
you got to give it up, you know how.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
They said, the best way to get over that is
new puppy, bring another puppy.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
By the way, it was confirmed it was pre COVID,
but they went and did puppy petting.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Oh did they really?
Speaker 6 (06:10):
They would cuddle the new litters.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Oh that's awesome. That's awesome. And I'm looking at that.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
It looks like they're exclusive to labs like they whether
it's organization.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Wow, So they have these puppy razors and you, dude,
they take in some some dude. Like I was reading
about another couple. They're also from here. I can't remember
where where they're where they're from, husband, wife, four kids, all.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Of them, say again, all of them are puppy raisers.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
No, that's in their house. Oh oh why four kids,
all of them young. I think it's four kids under
the age of seven. And then they have I think
two dogs that they puppy raised. Jesus age, how busy
are you? Is there any you got to feed them?
You're a volunteer, like when we, like when we fostered.
(07:02):
Now maybe it's different, but like when we fostered, we
had to pay for the dog's food.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But again they say, you're not think of the gift
that you're giving somebody.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So the gift that you're giving them makes it worth it.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Is there a count on how many there may be
in the US?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
How many puppy raisers? Yeah? Oh that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I know the Hipsleys have raised seventeen dogs, so let's
extrapolate from that. I don't I don't know how many
puppy raisers there are. I do know they need more.
I don't know that I could. I mean, listen, I'd
love to do it. I would love to do it,
and I love all the training. I would want to
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put my dogs in with the training, like, hey, can
you train them.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And also just throw mine in there? Throw mine in
so I get that the training.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Oh I wonder if you can have your own dog
and a puppy razor dog. I bet you ken, yeah,
because I mean, you're just socializing.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
On I'm basing that on being the husband of someone
who went and pet them a couple of times. But
you said that it takes a long time to train
the dogs, but when it comes to the wait list
for the dogs, it's got to be even longer than
just the training.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
For people who need the service dogs.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yes, oh yeah, oh, they said it takes years years
in some cases. I don't know how it's done. I
don't know how all the organizations run. But they said
the waiting time for somebody who needs a dog is
very long, that it takes years for them to be
able to get a dog because there's and they said
one thing that would help that is puppy raisers so
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that you can get more of them going.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Puppy raisers. I get it now that you've explained it,
but it almost sounds like not with your description, but
there's there's like a negative quality to those two words together.
It almost sounds like you're putting down what's happening when
what they're doing is incredible.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
It's a great service. But it kind of sounds like
I'm running a dog fighting round.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
Like a.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Puppy razors or it's like the nice way of saying
readers now, because no one likes breeders, so it's like,
let's not say they're they're puppy razers.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Right, Yeah, I'll tell you that never crossed my mind.
That never, That never occurred to me.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
But to learn the term for the first time this
morning and then have you explain it, it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Eloquently Where am I going? Line three? Hi Elliott in
the morning.
Speaker 9 (09:38):
Hey Elliott, it's blind John.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Oh, hey dude, how are you well? You got a
service dog? I've seen it. You haven't, absolutely, Oh, John knows.
I'm kidding anyway.
Speaker 9 (09:53):
Yes, you can say, you can say whatever you want
about me whenever you want.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It's all good, bline John.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You you've got a sense of you the now, John,
how long. Did it take you a long time to
get your to get your dog?
Speaker 9 (10:06):
So I want to say, at my school, which is
called the Seeing Eye in New Jersey, the trainers come
out to me. We did an in home interview. They
go for a whole walk so they know, like they
basically pretend that they're the dog and they put the
harness in my hand and they walk to make sure
that my pace is good. They kind of get a
sense of my personality. They came in April, and I
(10:30):
want to say, I got a call. I was very lucky.
I got a call around September right to come to
say that they believe that they found a match for me. Okay,
so the way it works, yeah, I'm lucky. Now some
people it takes a year. Because the Seeing I does this.
(10:53):
You know, they're the oldest Seeing Eye dog school in
the in the country. They're the first. So because they
always have a constant pipeline of dogs through their breeders
and such, they are able to match a little faster.
But they really try their best to match you with
a dog that walks up your pace, that has sort
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of the same kind of personality that's good at working
in the environments that you travel through a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Hey, John's remind me, but is your dog's name?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I mean, I have this wrong. I apologize. Is your
dog's name Egor?
Speaker 9 (11:28):
Yep, it's Igor?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Thank you, thank you the in terms.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Of good no, no, I was just gonna say when
Egor like, did he was Egor puppy like puppy raised
like with a family, or was he puppy raised through
the school.
Speaker 9 (11:43):
So the way it works for most Seeing eye dog
or guy dog schools is they breed them usually so
they have their own breeding program and the geneticis and
things like that. They stay with the puppy taking care
of the puppy group at the school for a little bit,
for as soon as they can lean off the mother,
and then they get sent to puppy raisers that are
(12:06):
puppy raisers for the school, right, they're volunteers, just like
you said. They stay with them for about a year
and they go through the all the things that I'm
glad I did not have to deal with Igor about,
so all the behavior, the potty training, the socialization and
all that. They do all of that for a year
and then after about a year the school you give
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the dog back to the school, then the school does
all their training.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And that's when the hardcore training starts. Right.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But I mean and no, John, I mean this with
no disrespect, but you couldn't do that part like you couldn't.
And I'm not saying this to be mean or to
make a joke. But if the dog, I'm being very serious,
you'd smell it, obviously. But if the dog took a
crap in the house while you're puppy training in you
don't necessarily know where that is or if it took a.
Speaker 9 (12:53):
Piss, right, And I mean, I grew up with dogs,
so I mean I I know what it's like to
step in poop and tea, right, But yeah, I mean
it's it's challenging. It's not that you can't do it,
but it is challenging. And honestly, puppy raisers are so
important to the service dog community. I don't care what
kind of service dog it is, right, because they're the
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ones who get all the fundamental things done with the
dog so that they know how to behave in public.
And I will say this for for folks who are
thinking about maybe being a puppy raiser. First of all,
every organization that I know of whether it's CNI Dog
schools or any you know, the Warrior Canon Connection which
you talked about, which is an excellent organization by the way.
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But they all need puppy raisers.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
There's a real drowd of them. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (13:46):
Yeah, and there's and there's a list of I mean
there's every school organization needs them. And I will say
there are some really Puppy raisers do so much because
they basically when you're going through the program and you're
a puppy raiser, you basically get the same privileges that
the handler gets, so you get to take your dog
everywhere with you. You know, they get the same kind
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of legal rights because the idea.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Is that that's cool.
Speaker 9 (14:13):
You want to expose the dog to all the environmental
things that the dog would be exposed to when they're
working with you.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So they have to start that early. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
So they have to start that early. John.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I appreciate the I appreciate the phone call. Thank you sir,
Thank you, Bubby.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Hey you got a letter, brother, Yeah, I mean you would.
I mean, you can't just keep him in your house.
They say you got to socialize them like the hips
Ley's or I think I'm saying their name right. They
talk about how they used to take the dog at
some point and they'd have to walk into a busy
intersection where there's like cars and honking and all that
stuff because.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
They but John's got to get across the street.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
We ain't gonna froger its photo.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Look how young, Oh wow? Oh, look how small the
dogs are.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Yeah, so it was a while ago.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now just imagine your wife and daughter for two years
with that and then going, well, here you go take
it back.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Has there ever been a case and I'd like to
say no, but people are human where the razor has
taught the dog how to fail the final exam.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Because it it'd be very hard to do.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Kristen mentioned the documentary picked the Letter. I watched the
Disney series based on the documentary, and that final test
is incredibly hard, difficult. It is the slightest misstep or
or well, I mean the slightest misstep. John gets hit
by a fill. Yeah, so you understand it. But if
you fail, we've heard of this. People then get the
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dog and can keep the dog.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Oh look at me with seventeen dogs?
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Well, no, ifs this one, maybe they maybe there's twin
has anybody sabotaged the final test?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay, I let me answer with what I hope. No,
let me answer with what I believe. Yeah, probably, Yeah,
probably I would. I would think that too, I would. Yeah, No,
I mean the odds have to be yes, Like the
dogs trying to do the test and you've got like
a kong full of peanut.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Butter on the side. Oh, what's over there? Hi Elliott
in the.
Speaker 10 (16:17):
Morning, Hey Elliott, it's John down and out of Booie.
I actually used to volunteer at the Warrior Canine Connection.
I'm actually a prior service marine, so it was like
really dope to like be able to give back. But
those people are wonderful. The dogs out there are like
incredibly incredibly smart. But yeah, so like they have the
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puppy raisers that like basically the dog lived there and
they get exposed to like everything that the dogs would
be exposed like while they're actually like in service, but
the puppy raisers don't just raise them like Warrior Canine
Connection provides like vet services, food services, treats all of
those things for the puppy raisers, right, and then the
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puppy raisers are also like responsible, not just for like
raising their dog, but like training outside of like where
like everything that happens at the actual facility and everything
like that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You know what would be fun?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You know, it would be awesome if all of us
were puppy razors and we just bring the dogs in
every day. I got to bring them in, Yeah, they
got to come to work. But if you have the
same protection station can't say anything. I'm essentially blind, John,
but with just better visions. Yeah, why can't I? Hey,
can you do you know the answer to this? If
(17:31):
you have if you have personal dogs of your own,
can you be a puppy razor because you're treating them different.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
The lad if I remember correctly, the answer is yes,
and they actually want the dogs to be like socialized,
not just with.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Humans but also with other dogs. Right you're calling up everywhere?
Speaker 10 (17:50):
Yeah, and so you can. But obviously you're you're treating
them at least a little bit differently in terms of
because one of the beets and one is more of
like a working animal.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, like Aaron's not going to let me bring my
personal dogs in here, but the service dog I can
bring that in all day. Hell, I may I may
call warrior canine or I hope I have the name right,
I may adopt twenty or puppy raising. You don't adopt them, Elliott, Well,
they failed the test, you do, and I bring them
all in.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Hey, I appreciate it. Thank you sir.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
From Instagram. I know someone who's a puppy raiser and
the dog failed the test to be a service dog,
so they kept the dog.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Doesn't say if there was intent, but how well trained
is that? That dog's better than most dogs? Seriously? Yeah,
that dog's got to be great.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
And I've already been schlepping them around every year, everywhere
for two years. When you're oh, I have another question
for a puppy razor, because this is a good thing
to know.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Hi, Elliot, the morning sounds like a scheme.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
Hello, Yeah, Hi, who's that the Samantha?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yes, Amanda? What can I do for you?
Speaker 9 (18:49):
Well?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I just don't know. You know, my brother, who is
in law enforcement, worked he's worked in all facets, but
he got to work with the K ninety nets and
they if for some reason the dog can't pass one
little like it doesn't mean it might be minute. They
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have to get either rid of them and someone can
adopt them. And take them out.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Right or yeah, that kind of is what what Tyler
said is that they fail, then you get to hold
on to them. Here's my question though, here's my Oh
sorry I hit the button. Sorry, here's my question though.
When they're when when I'm puppy raising, right, let's just say,
why did you put it in quotes?
Speaker 9 (19:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, because I'm not training the dog, you know what
I mean? Like, they get trained, but it's living with
me and they.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Want the deal stay say goodbye. That's the headline of
the article.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
But do they still get the vest? While John.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
John said you are given all of the protections.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I'm given the protections. But does that mean the dog
gets the vest? Yes, so the dog fails still has
the vest. Okay, Elliott, I take that dog everywhere? When everywhere?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah? Please take that Aaron line eight, Hi Ellie in
the morning.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Does Aaron hate dogs?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
No? No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But no, like Aaron doesn't want me bringing dogs into
the office.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
He wants to keep this place professional.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I'm sorry, who's this?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, hi, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 9 (20:23):
See.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
I'm currently raising a puppy for a local organization that
actually is headquartered right next to war doctor brewery.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
It's called Hero Dogs.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
Right, and they train service dogs for veterans and first responders.
So it's a smaller organization than Warrior Canine Connection, but
it's still a great organization. And she's my second puppy.
My first one is out with his veteran and so
I have her for about a year and then he
(20:54):
goes to advanced training what we call POP the puppy
raiser mom called college, right, and then they're in.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Training for I don't know.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
My other dog was only in training for like four
months before he got paired. But I have to say,
I think this girl is smarter than the boy that
I had. But you know, I take I take her
to work two or three you know, I'm in the
office two or three days a week. She's buy right now.
You know, they get a vests as they start wearing
(21:27):
a vest at like ten weeks old, and you you know,
as a service dog, they're covered under the ADA. So
she's allowed to go everywhere. Had to like do special
training to take her on the metro. We go to
a puppy class two times a month. She's required to
do a certain amount of outings with other trainers and
(21:49):
other service dogs, but like like people have said, it's
the socialization is the most important peace.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
But once the dog, like once the dog went to
the the veteran that the dog went to, do you
stay in touch with.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Them at all?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Okay, this is a little freaky.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
So they when they go to their veteran, you don't
have any They give them your contact information. After about
three months, they kind of want them to bond, right,
and then the veteran has a choice of whether or
not to have, you know, like an open adoption, whether
they want to be in contact at that point exactly.
(22:28):
And then they also then get the dog. They all
these dogs have their own Instagram account. I emailed Tyler
what her Instagram account was, and then.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
They also decide.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Whether they want to have the dog on social media.
But for my other dog, it turns out like I
got a message on Facebook the day after he went
home with his veteran that someone that I used to
work with literally twenty five years ago, he got paired
with this woman's husband, So like, I haven't kept in
touch with her, but we reconnected. So I get to
(23:02):
follow him now on Facebook. But we haven't connected in
person yet because it's only been a little under three months.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I gotcha.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
I'm hoping to see him. But and the what I
really do like about Hero dogs is that all the
dogs stay in this area. You have to be like
within an hour of their headquarters. Warrior Canine Connection is
a much bigger organization. They partner with Wounded Warrior projects,
so their dogs go like all over.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
The under Sure. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Hey, I appreciate the phone call. Thank you, ma'am. Yeah,
there's the there's the pictures. I hope they told that
one dog down because it's the only one down while
the others are sitting up.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Failed all adopted. I get to keep the best, right,
Dog's beautiful.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Yeah, it's pretty dog.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't know that I can give it up.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh wait, hold on, I have to go to line
what line? Line seven? Hi Ellie in the morning. Hello, Yeah, Hi,
who's this?
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Uh? Hey, my name's Mike. The Hipsleys are my parents.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
What are your parents' names?
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Jane and Pat?
Speaker 9 (24:13):
Yeap?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You're great? How are you, sir?
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
It's nice too, nice to talk to you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I read this whole story about your parents being puppy razors.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Yeah, I didn't know anything about it till yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Oh really, Oh wait, wait, wait the story. That's exactly
what I was going to ask.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You didn't know about the story or that they've been
raising dogs for all these years?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Oh no, no, no, you can't walk into their house
about being attacked by by a brude. We didn't. I
didn't know anything about the story until yesterday. Uh. They
just sent an email said, hey, we're in the New
York Times.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So let's what Hey, can I can I? And what
remind me? What was your first name against sir?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
My name is Mike, Mike Mike, right, So in reading
about it, you your mom and dad, Pat and Jane,
they became puppy Razors because of your brother.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Correct, yes, right, So the.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
My brother Chris, he was a combat medic. He did
two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. It was,
you know, like a lot of veterans of experience, it
was really hard. And yeah, he came back with woims
you couldn't see. And he fought him for as long
as he could. And then yeah, in twenty fourteen, he
(25:34):
took his own life.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right, And so in reading that, that's where I read
and you know, I mean, listen, it's whatever was written
in the article, but it was your mom and dad
who said, we have to do something, like what can
we do to give back? Yeah, so that there isn't
you know, listen, it's not going to end everything. But
that's what happened with our son. We have to do something,
(25:58):
we have to try to provide, and so that's what
kind of got them started in working with that, with
the program to raise puppies to be puppy raisers in
the hopes that they would be able to raise these
dogs and go to other service members or anybody who
needs a dog, whether it's medical or PTSD related, and
to be able to help them out. I thought it
(26:18):
was a beautiful way that you know, these two people
because at first you're like, oh god.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
These people just love dogs.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
But I thought it was a beautiful way to kind
of I don't know pay it forward is the right way,
but like remember their son, I guess, or honor their son.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
But they even said, oh sorry, but the brother and
some would know best. But in the article they pointed
out that yes, paying it forward was the goal. But Jack,
which was that first black lab they got, they they
said probably saved their lives.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yes, And Jack is actually our dog, well, Jack didn't
make it through the training, and a lot of with
a lot of dogs that don't make it through the training,
just Jack barks and like that doesn't work really well
with with soldiers. They have PTSD. So the dogs that
(27:10):
don't make it through the training, they'll make into military
family dogs. So because of it was their first dog,
and because of our connection with Chris, we actually have
raised Jack. Jack is Tim and he was laying right
next to me.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Oh wow, that's awesome. By the way, I just found
my hook. I stand in there.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I teach the dog that when I when I when
I snap, you bark. So when he goes through the thing,
I just stand in the back. I just kind of
snapped my fingers.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Dog barks. Look I got Jack.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Sorry, man, Yeah, that would that would do it.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So, but being in and obviously your parents know this,
but it does seem like in reading this, there really
is a huge, a huge need for more puppy razors
in the world.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Yes, there, I know Warrior can On they have more
dogs than they have puppy Razors and so a lot
of times they're dogs that are doing well, they'll they'll
transfer to other organizations. For other training. But I mean,
I know they'd love to be giving more dogs to
vets and fulfilling their mission. Uh so yeah. I mean
(28:22):
if if you're in the area and you're in a
season of life where you can do this, you know,
it is a lot of work. But you know, my
parents love what they do, and I think you know
it's they're able to provide for, you know, other soldiers
that have been wounded. What they wish that my brother
(28:43):
had gotten sure, which is it's been amazing to watch
as of the last it's been ten years.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Now, and I'll tell you what. Those dogs seem like.
They love your parents' bed.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's mayhem a lot
of times over and pulled over their house. And uh
sometimes they'll have five six dogs, like if they with
the dog they're training, and then they're puppy sitting for
another family that's out of town and so watching the
dog for a weekend, and so you've been leaping over
there and like you just get like almost literally tackled
(29:19):
by puppies when you walk through the door.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's great, pretty cool, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Hey, Well listen, I'm glad, Uh, thank you very much
for calling. Tell your parents that I really enjoyed reading
about them.
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