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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In the last year in the United States.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
And I'm talking about adults, right, So let's twenty one
and older in the last year in the United States.
What percentage of people have been the victim of some
kind of fraud or scam?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Ooh, I probably say sixty.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Sixty percent, Diane, Is that high or low?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
I think it's a little higher.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I think that's high.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Fifty fifty half of the half of the people have
been the victim of a that means you fail for it.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, have you no?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Okay? I of right, Okay, so you're good. But for
every Diane somebody.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Else my bank balance zero? Yes, no, no, thankfully, so
you have.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It, Kristen of you no, have you no? No, me neither,
So fifty So, but Diane is still at fifty. You
think half the country has been the victim of some
kind of scamm or fraud?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That seems that seems high.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
As prevalent as they are, Yes, but that still seems high.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
One and two, you're contracted or no not contacted? No no, no,
no no no like not like Oh I got the
alert that said someone's trying to absolutely that.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I well, ninety nine percent, Wayne Wayne percent.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Wayne Wayne percent m no fallen victim to fraud or
a scam.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I guess one and four twenty five percent.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay, now now we're all over the place, Kristen, you
want to guess.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Same thing, all right, Diane, Diane, she pointed, You think, Diane,
one and one and two. That is a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That's too high, Diane, that's too high, that's too I
want you to be right, but you're not.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
No, no, don't be sorry, no, no, you're just thinking
one in three is.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
The actual right answer.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I saw that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I thought that was incredibly high, incredibly high.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, any number is too many.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay, yes, but that wasn't the question. It wasn't like
how many people should fall victims?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
How many people deserved it? No, nobody, nobody deserves that right.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Even if you do something stupid, Even people who like
sleep at their front door open, they don't deserve to
have their house rob Right, you're dumb, but you don't
deserve to have your house robbed. One in three seemed
really high to me. And again, it's not somebody attempted
to scam you. Somebody attempted to defraud you. One in
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three have gotten it in the last year. Not ever
in the last year, romance scams, elderly scams, bank scams,
toll you have.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
An unpaid toll, you have your packages. All that's irs,
all of it, all of it.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
That is a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, I feel I felt like one in three was
in a year. A third of Americans in a year,
which means the year before that, another third of Americans
got it. Well, I fail for twice the no no,
and I bet in some cases it is, Yeah, it's
not a different one third, because then we'd be done
with everybody.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I thought that number was really really high.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
But then you yourself, are just listing all the examples.
There's a lot of ways they can get you.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
No, it makes me feel good about myself. I am
not I was not scammed in the last year.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Is this one big device to prop yourself up?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Actually, it deals with the It deals with the repercussions
of being scammed.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Christian, will you do me a favor?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Will you find me somebody who's been I don't care
if it's ten dollars or if it's ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
They also don't like the word scam.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
They wanted to be referred to as trans huh, transnational fraud.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't like that word.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Either, transnational what if it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's why I don't like that word.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I don't like that word. They say because most of
them they're out of the country or whatever. But will
you will you do me a favor? And by the way,
like we mentioned, we mentioned the tolls and stuff. Then
then you get the really aggressive ones where it's you know, yes,
well no, I was going to say, it is the
send dick picks for and then they hold you hostage
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for money.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
What I can't say that, Yes, you can, you cannot.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
That's a term, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Like penis picks. Sorry, but but that's the same.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's the it's the penis picks scam where it's for money.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yes, well, anything with that sense of emergency and urgency.
So with the grandparents where they tell you that their
grandchild is being kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Kidnapped, arrested, drunk in jail, whatever it.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Is, right.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
One in three?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What was I going to say, you said saying about
the repercussionists.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh yeah, so so the the oh so yes, everybody
is taught.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh, let me finish with Kristen somebody who's been scammed
in the last year, right, or defrauded in the last year,
or I guess ever, it doesn't matter the last two years,
last three years, they don't covered the whole country eight
six six to Elliott eight six six two three five
five four six eight. So they said, there is so much.
(05:52):
There is so much, and I kind of want to
talk to someone before I tell you what it was.
Let me go that route line two. Yellie at the
morning class, Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 7 (06:04):
It's Mark from Richmond. So my brother, he's an intelligent man,
and he was on his way to work one morning
and he got an emailed that they he needed to
pick up some gift cards. Now the thing about this
is they actually gave them away at their office, like
as incentives and things, so that wasn't an uncommon thing, right.
They also knew They also knew the name he went by,
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which is not on any government documents anywhere. His name
is John Scott, but he goes by Scott. And they
were like, hey, Scott, can you run by and pick
up these gift cards and just send us the numbers
and he won't think nothing about it. They got him
for seven hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yep, so let me ask you now. The company reimbursed
him very nice.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
He had all the documentation and his email, and then
they immediately emailed everyone in the company and was like,
we're not going to ask you guys to do this,
you know, right, but it is he fell for it
because it was nothing abnormal about it, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Can I ask you this afterwards? Afterwards?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Did he did did he feel really stupid and he
did nothing wrong?
Speaker 7 (07:10):
I think he still feels stupid about his days, to
be honest with you, right.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So this is the this is the story a third
of people.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
So all you hear is prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Right, which is smart you should But they said, think
of it.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
A third of people get taken a year and you
feel stupid, You feel dumb, you feel like an idiot.
They said that we're not doing anything for recovery. Not
recovery of it, no, no, not, but that people people
are walking around going I'm the dumbest person in the world.
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I'm the dumbest person in the world. Here I thought
I was just helping that guy in Nigeria and I'm stupid.
And what happens when you hey, thank you, sir, thank you.
And what happens when you tell your friends.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Dude, you fell for that idiot. That's me?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's you.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It is, yes, So what are we supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
They said that you really should like kind of make
sure that like like it's you. You should never walk
around feeling like you're an idiot. You should never walk
around feeling stupid. You may have made a mistake, you
may feel you may feel like a dunce. But for
a lot of people, they say, it really really eats
away at them.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
So is that why you're changing it from scam to fraud,
because it's the same being scammed. You were the victim
of a crime?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, you are the victim of a crime.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yes, but then you don't default too.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It was just have to identify the person.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, but you did well, Okay, you told me it
was transnational. But is this one of those where I
identified the person.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Not the not the not the crime.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I get where you're coming from, right, I don't excel here.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It reframes it a little bit, right, Yeah, So you
were the victim of fraud as opposed to you're the
moron who got scammed.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Well yeah, the M word, M word.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So yeah, they but they were saying, there's there's so
much that is put into prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention,
nobody's like, hey, listen. Like take that guy, like he said,
his brother feels like a buff foo. They got his
name that he doesn't even that's not his real name.
And he bought the cards because that happens at his office.
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Why should he spend years walking around going I'm a
friggin idiot.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Makes you feel bad about yourself? You should feel good
about yourself.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Well what is the first step?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, feeling good about yourself?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, how do you get there?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I don't know. I'm not a I'm not a doctor.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
No, you sounded like a therapist a few times today.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
To be honest, I don't know, but I don't know
what you would What would you do for to the
recovery other than go, hey, listen, it happens quickly.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I searched quickly. And yes, they point out how you're
not alone, which you stressed with those numbers. The first
thing they say, he is, don't blame yourself.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, well, because you.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Weren't smart enough to outsmart the bad guy. You were
trying to do something right.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
They do talk about a criminal skills of deception being
out like just unmatched.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But like, listen, when we hear about romance scams, I'm
the first one to go that person is dumb.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Every single element is designed to make it so you
can't tell what do you mean, oh that you can't
you every bit of interaction that the goal is to
not make the person suspicious. So every single element of
the exchange or however you got fraud defrauded and he
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gets gammed, you get defrauded, is meant to keep you
in line.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, no, I get that. I get that.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Well that's what they're telling these people in their recovery.
Apparently they're reminding them that there wasn't an opportunity and
and there there really.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
There wasn't an opportunity to realize Brad pitt uh needed
your money because he's quote stuck on the.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Island and die into date man.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
As soon as I said it, I was like, all
they do they tell you I'm the problem. In how
to avoid they tell you to take a breath, But
in the recovery they tell you you weren't able to breathe,
But you weren't. I mean, for a lot of people,
the urgency is the part of the gets them.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And I'm also the problem. I'm the problem, it says.
Plus receiving a barrage of daily fraudulent messages, comments, emails,
and other communications designed to draw on victims makes it very,
very hard to remain in a constant state of skepe
criticism and hyper vigilance. And even though everybody's telling you,
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you know, Brad Pitt.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Doesn't know you exist. Yeah he does. It's hot.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
This one's different.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
This brings me to the second part.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh, don't listen to the naysayers.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Fraud victims often think negatively about themselves.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yes, and that's where I'm the problem, because they already
feel horrible about them. They feel stupid. So when I remit,
you're here to rub it in absolutely. In case that
inner voice isn't loud enough, let me give it to you.
But I don't say that for all all fraud. I
don't say that for all fraud.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
This specialist says, remind yourself that you're the human, they're
the monster.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Why don't you roll your eyes at that?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I just I didn't like how that was phrased. I
didn't like how that was phrased.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Well, someone took advantage of your humanism.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yes, no, no, And don't feel bad for being a human.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Normalize your experience. You've dealt with a monster.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Yes, it's like those evil people that set up like
fake gofundmes. Yes, absolutely, they hop onto it, They hop
on and link themselves to a tragedy.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, and and somebody and because people, people have.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
The goodness of their heart, want to help their.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Beautiful hearts, and all they want to do is help people.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Oftentimes we are, though harder on ourselves than we are
on others. So maybeat yourself, treat yourself like you are
a friend, give yourself yourself that same compassion.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That you would tell somebody else. Hey, listen, you didn't
know maybe Brad Pitt was desperate.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
No, Elliott, stranger things have happened.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
No, not really stranger things. Oh you know what Finn
Wolfar did. Just send me a note. I gotta get
back to him.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Where am I going line to?
Speaker 9 (13:55):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Ellie in the morning? Hey, yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's a Joe out of Delicate City. Yes, sir, so
I actually got scammed for my penis pigs one time.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, no, it happened.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Listen, if you are a teenage boy between the ages
of thirteen and twenty four, I promise you somebody's approached
you for penis pictures at this point.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Yeah. And I actually got so scared that I branded
my brother's room and he was on Xbox Live. And
they were like, man, just look at it as free advertisement.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Don't pay them anything.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
So I didn't pay them anything.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
By the way, you're lucky.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You're lucky, they said that, because a lot of times
it doesn't go that way.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
A lot of times it goes bad. And remember, this
is a good chance.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I learned this from my friends at the National Center
for Missing and Exploited Children. Great people take it down
dot com. They'll work with you, very important, but that
counts those people are getting scammed.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, and they talk about another resource. There are apparently
a lot of support groups for victims of these crimes.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Like on so like online, like you can find like
Facebook groups or stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I guess a very popular one. And I wasn't going
to tell you the sponsor of it because I was
going to make fun.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I dated Brad pitt too dot com.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, it's hosted by the AARP.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Oh no, that makes sense for old people.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Oh so you're fine with that. Yeah, well you don't
want to You don't want to stereotype these victims.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
They're No, they're not old. The AARP people are old.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
They are, but you don't have to be fifty plus
to get defrauded. Wait almost said the S.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Word the Wait.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So were they saying AARP does it for everybody or
just like elderly scale.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
I think they're probably highlighting the people who are victimized.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, train facilitators but very smart are brought in for
these group sessions, which are confidential and spent as meaningful
peer to peer sharing and support.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I'll tell you what, man, the more you hear like
all the old people that get it, and then all
the crap you hear that go like with the mentioned stuff, Dude,
getting old must blow.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
True words. Never got stoken. By the way, this is great.
This is actually really nice because you said, and you've
said it before, that it when you're a friend or
a family member or even a colleague, sometimes it may
feel like you're banging your head against the wall. Oh,
trying to get in someone exactly, you can attend these
group sessions not just as a victim, but as a
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victim's friend now or network.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, okay, so Diane, Diane is given away. She's sixty
grand in the hole because Brad Pitt's needs.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Right, I could go there a good movie in a
while and just go.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Oh, my god, my friend Diane, she's sixty grand in
the whole, Dayton Brand, What do I do?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, mister Siegel, what have you been doing? Laughing and
yelling at her?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Is this the the path that you intended to take
this segment down?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
No, I did no because no, they didn't help myself.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Well, no, because Diane keeps bringing up Brad Pitt. The No, No,
it's just that people.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
They said, there's a problem where a third of the
people a year are walking around feeling dumb, yes, and
stupid and and less than and unhappy and what.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Does that lead to? So no, it's not good. So no,
the direction was.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But I would also bet nobody gets help for it
unless they're already in therapy, right, if they're already seeing
a therapist or something. But I guarantee you nobody sought
out a therapist because they bought gift cards.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
But as they say here, and it makes a lot
of sense, not only are you mad at yourself and
you're mad at everybody else, upset that you've been robbed
of something, but most often money, but you have lost
your sense of security and your faith in those around you,
especially those strangers that you have to weave in and
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out of every single day.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
If I got, for whatever reason, I got scammed out
of five grand, I would be more mad that I
fell for the scam then I lost the money.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Is that how it played out?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Oh, you eventually got paid I got paid back. Yeah,
who's the winner here?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
No interest? Still one the Uh? I don't think the
in some ways it was I'm being honest.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
No, no, but you know what I mean. It wouldn't
be yes, the money. Don't get me wrong. I love
money a lot, but I think it would be I
think that's how overpowering the feeling would be of being
a falling for it as opposed to what it was now.
Maybe you feel differently if you're twenty grand, fifty grand,
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one hundred grand in the hole, like or your life savings.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
But I think to their point and even to yours. Yes,
you fell for it, but you may not even realize initially.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Well, of course not initially, I would have never sent
the money. The issues you have on the horizon, oh true.
With trust true, Oh, you learn not to trust ever again.
And that's what we were supposed to help people with.
During this break, you've called them stupid multiple times.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
No, no, but I'll be very honest with you.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Like Jackie and I have a friend doesn't live around here,
but Jackie and I have a friend who fell on
really really, really really hard time and reached out and
asked to if they could borrow some money. I said
to Jackie, I mean we can do it. But just no,
there's a good chance we ain't never seen that. Did
we not learn anything?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I said? Did you didn't you learn? I learned.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Now we've been sent I'm not gonna I can't trust
a random voice message.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I'll dump it.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
No, but it's accompanied with the line your good intentions
are not negated by someone else's bad behavior.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That's that, that is that's that that's you know what.
That's like a towel or something like that. You hang
off like.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
A cross stitch mesa towel, I thought he struggled with
the word that he was trying to come up with after.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
That hanging there.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
But now a few.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Words later in what I hesitate to call a sentence a.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Towel, you have all your inspirational phrases on towels, anything
like a golf towel.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I don't know, but just shouting that is like a
momentum a beach towel, like your good.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Intention shouldn't be outdone by somebody being an a hole.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah. No, that that's great. That's inspirational, like a pillow
or something. Where am I going mine? Seven? Hi Ellie
in the morning?
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Hi, Hi, I got stams this week?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Are you serious? Can I ask for?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
What?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Do you mind?
Speaker 10 (21:25):
Okay, No, I don't mind. So my son, Kayton is
in uh he's a junior in high school. I got
a call from this sat prep place and you know
how they like, uh, they'll farm the numbers so it
looks like it's coming from, oh, like a local number.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah sure.
Speaker 10 (21:42):
So they said, oh, we need a credit card for
a two hundred and fifty dollars to hold the the
products that we're going to send you for.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
His test prep.
Speaker 10 (21:51):
I'm thinking my kid needs all the help he can get.
You know, no offense, Dayton, but he needs some help.
So I went through the whole process. The guy says, Okay,
I need your credit card, so I gave him my card.
In my brain, I knew I didn't have two hundred
and fifty dollars on that card so it wouldn't go through.
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But I wasn't thinking it was a scam at the
moment until later when he said, I'll email you all
the information and I got no email, no follow up,
no nothing.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
And I looked it up later and it was a
total scam.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
And I should have known because they didn't tell me
his correct high school.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
When I went back and.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Thought about it, right, yeah, but I mean you get
wrapped up. You're right in the middle of it, and
you know he's got the test coming up. You need
the prep. I understand Peyton needs all the help he
can get. Like all of that is going on. I
get that.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I do have a question though.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
You said you gave him a credit card, but you
knew you didn't have the money like that seems like
you're trying to fraud them.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
A little bit.
Speaker 9 (22:57):
I mean, you know, I don't feel bad about it.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
No, but let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
When all was said and done and you realize that
they got you, you feel stupid.
Speaker 10 (23:07):
Oh I feel stupid because if I would have listened.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
To them and they said.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
Oh for Calvert High School. In my brain, he doesn't
go to Calbert High School. He goes to the Tuxon right,
So why would it be requested through Calbert High School
when he doesn't go there?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Hold on, I am getting a note from Peyton. Can
you please just say my last name so everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Mom shut up? All right, very good, Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But there's your problem, right, Yeah, and they get you
at an emotional time.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, yes, yeah, that's a quote. Chapel Ron parenting is hell.
Chicken Loaf does appreciate that we posted the information about
the support groups because they seem like easy pickings.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Oh god, is it is sign? It's funny?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Is it a sign of being a decent person? That?
Not once did I think somebody would use that to
go bad her people?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Because I didn't think that, And I'm I'm better than decent,
I'm a good person.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Not once, not for even a nanosecond did I think
that group could be targeted. I was thinking it was
all for positive, yes, of course, trying to help people.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Of course, where am I going? Mine? Six Hi Elliott
in the morning. Hello, Yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Hi?
Speaker 9 (24:41):
I'm my name Jessica. How are you good?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Jessica? What can I do for you?
Speaker 9 (24:46):
So, actually, about six months ago, my son sixteen. At
that time, I was sitting at home and all of
a sudden, somebody knocks on my door. I was upstairs
and my boyfriend answered the door, and it was be
Child Protection Services for sex sex exploitation, right, And I
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was like, what is going on? And basically the same situation,
my son had met somebody on Snapchat, a female asked
for naked photos and added him on Instagram and then
once she found out basically or who whoever he, she
would have whatever whoever the person.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Oh, I could promise you it wasn't a show.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Exactly.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
Basically was like, we will exploit all these photos to
your family members whatever. They won't you know, they will absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
By the way, we also got all your friends and
followers on Instagram. We're gonna send it to all of them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
No, it's a horrible stam that's going around. Well, I
can't say going around. It's been going around.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
So they actually told me that it is such a
problem that they literally have She said hundreds of people
per week even in that are there upset because they
were scammed out of this money. But then my daughter
actually got involved as well because my son he has
an account, but he's not responsible, so I like cut
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it off. So he went to my daughter and was like,
I need money for this. And so then they were like, well,
we need both of their phones. We need to find
out what's going on where this is coming from. But
basically because it was from overseas, they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, most of them, I think for that scam.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
They say most of not all of them, and they
should all be reported, but most of them are in Nigeria.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
But then my grandma, so I live in Maryland now,
but I'm from Florida. My grandma has this guy saying
he's elon Musk and talking to her all the time,
and we are trying to cut that off.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
But tell Granny, I am he ain't that, that ain't him.
That ain't no offense, Granny, but she still was, she
still giving her money away.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well, okay, let me offer up an ARP group.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Thank you he's word that cheese on his head. I
worked that well for him.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
God.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Jordans Al writes, love you guys for talking about this.
I lost eighty thousand dollars when I was pregnant for
a wire frog on the down payment of a new home.
I beat myself up all the time about it.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yes, and you can't.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It wasn't Brad Pitt though I'm not a dufist. Could
you imagine losing eighteen thousand dollars?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Serious?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I'm being serious for you a lot of people, that's
reality that happens.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Oh no, no, I know, but that's what I'm saying.
You don't.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
You don't let yourself off the hook for that. You
spend a lifetime, a lifetime beating yourself up about why
how can I be so ef and stupid?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And you shouldn't go through life like that. That's what
we've been. It's very harmful. That's that's what I started
by saying, and it's very harmful and got derailed pretty
quickly by the way.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Britain coming to your defense, maybe instead of an embroidery hoop,
you were thinking of a dish towel, because he has
one that says rise and shine, mother Cluckers, has a
little silhouette of a rooster on it.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
But that that, but that gets me back to the
very beginning. We don't spend any time on the recovery. Right,
if I lost it, if I lost eighteen thousand dollars,
I would be.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I would, I don't even I would. You'd be desponded.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
That's not a strong enough word. I would hate myself
because you'd said, you know, you know, you know what,
you know what you know? What? Word more than because
it's worse than than being than hating yourself. Ashamed, feeling shame,
that's the worst one. You'd be ashamed of what you
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did and you didn't do anything. It was whatever my
towel said there about. No, don't let your good No,
not that, don't let your good intentions be over with
the bad.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
People, mother cluckers.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You would be ashamed of yourself, and that's a horrible
way to go through life.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
We're told in every other crime not to victim blame.
Why should it be allowed when it's a scam? Exactly now?
You are often accused.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
No I am, I said, I'm the problem when did
you get all of the gift cards?
Speaker 7 (29:36):
Not just.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I often have to warn you that we're entering into
the territory of blaming the victim.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, but sometimes Hi Elliott the morning. Hello, Hello, yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Hi who My name is Sue Yen.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Hey what are you No, that's just a call back
to yesterday. Where are you from? I hear an accent?
Do you speak any languages?
Speaker 6 (30:14):
I'm from nel Sabador.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Oh, thank you, thank you? Yes. What can I do
for you? Ma'am? What can I do for you? Well?
Speaker 6 (30:27):
I appreciate you doing this because it's very important that
people know that the frog can cause people want a suicide.
My brother lost his job, so he was trying to
get in online, trying to find a job, and in
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finding these people, they say, hey, you can make money
with a pitcoin, and he was trying one and say okay,
I give you three hundred dollars and he get it
six hundred dollars back. So when he said, when he
see that this is a good, oh, I can make
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you more money, right, the whole ten thousand dollars he
was saving, he put it in there and later he
saw there was a scam.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Right, yeah, a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Actually, I'm actually very glad that you call, because a
lot of times that's what happens is they get you
on the first one by giving you money. So it's
like the oh, look this worked out. Look at that,
I gave fifty, I got one hundred, I gave fifty,
I got two hundred. Next thing you know, we make
a big jump and we're up to five six or
like you said, he had saved his whole life for
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ten thousand dollars and then he got taken as a scam.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Yes, and the mole situation is he didn't want to
say to anybody he was a struggle financially and I
just have it like his Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Where?
Speaker 6 (32:02):
What's the problem?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Was?
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Where you're like this? And he almost design I believe
it because the life is the life is lost, lost
his job.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
So and.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
It is very sad, very sad that this has happened.
But thank you for doing this because everybody has to
be alert. Any phone calls, nothing, absolutely answer, don't don't
do anything because it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I appreciate you calling.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Thank you, ma'am, thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You got to talk to you later.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
It's the first thing you said with the statistics, you're
you're not alone.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, there's one in three, one in three.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
That number is only even. That's with campaigns like this
one and that's what. But that's the ones they know of.
But that number, sadly is skinna grow
In the last year in the United States.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
And I'm talking about adults, right, So let's twenty one
and older in the last year in the United States.
What percentage of people have been the victim of some
kind of fraud or scam?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Ooh, I probably say sixty.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Sixty percent, Diane, Is that high or low?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
I think it's a little higher.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I think that's high.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Fifty fifty half of the half of the people have
been the victim of a that means you fail for it.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, have you no?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Okay? I of right, Okay, so you're good. But for
every Diane somebody.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Else my bank balance zero? Yes, no, no, thankfully, so
you have.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It, Kristen of you no, have you no? No, me neither,
So fifty So, but Diane is still at fifty. You
think half the country has been the victim of some
kind of scamm or fraud?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That seems that seems high.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
As prevalent as they are, Yes, but that still seems high.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
One and two, you're contracted or no not contacted? No no, no,
no no no like not like Oh I got the
alert that said someone's trying to absolutely that.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I well, ninety nine percent, Wayne Wayne percent.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Wayne Wayne percent m no fallen victim to fraud or
a scam.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I guess one and four twenty five percent.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay, now now we're all over the place, Kristen, you
want to guess.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Same thing, all right, Diane, Diane, she pointed, You think, Diane,
one and one and two. That is a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That's too high, Diane, that's too high, that's too I
want you to be right, but you're not.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
No, no, don't be sorry, no, no, you're just thinking
one in three is.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
The actual right answer.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I saw that.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I thought that was incredibly high, incredibly high.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, any number is too many.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay, yes, but that wasn't the question. It wasn't like
how many people should fall victims?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
How many people deserved it? No, nobody, nobody deserves that right.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Even if you do something stupid, Even people who like
sleep at their front door open, they don't deserve to
have their house rob Right, you're dumb, but you don't
deserve to have your house robbed. One in three seemed
really high to me. And again, it's not somebody attempted
to scam you. Somebody attempted to defraud you. One in
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three have gotten it in the last year. Not ever
in the last year, romance scams, elderly scams, bank scams,
toll you have.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
An unpaid toll, you have your packages. All that's irs,
all of it, all of it.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
That is a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, I feel I felt like one in three was
in a year. A third of Americans in a year,
which means the year before that, another third of Americans
got it. Well, I fail for twice the no no,
and I bet in some cases it is, Yeah, it's
not a different one third, because then we'd be done
with everybody.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I thought that number was really really high.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
But then you yourself, are just listing all the examples.
There's a lot of ways they can get you.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
No, it makes me feel good about myself. I am
not I was not scammed in the last year.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Is this one big device to prop yourself up?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Actually, it deals with the It deals with the repercussions
of being scammed.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Christian, will you do me a favor?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Will you find me somebody who's been I don't care
if it's ten dollars or if it's ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
They also don't like the word scam.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
They wanted to be referred to as trans huh, transnational fraud.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't like that word.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Either, transnational what if it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's why I don't like that word.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I don't like that word. They say because most of
them they're out of the country or whatever. But will
you will you do me a favor? And by the way,
like we mentioned, we mentioned the tolls and stuff. Then
then you get the really aggressive ones where it's you know, yes,
well no, I was going to say, it is the
send dick picks for and then they hold you hostage
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for money.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
What I can't say that, Yes, you can, you cannot.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
That's a term, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Like penis picks. Sorry, but but that's the same.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's the it's the penis picks scam where it's for money.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yes, well, anything with that sense of emergency and urgency.
So with the grandparents where they tell you that their
grandchild is being kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Kidnapped, arrested, drunk in jail, whatever it.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Is, right.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
One in three?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What was I going to say, you said saying about
the repercussionists.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh yeah, so so the the oh so yes, everybody
is taught.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh, let me finish with Kristen somebody who's been scammed
in the last year, right, or defrauded in the last year,
or I guess ever, it doesn't matter the last two years,
last three years, they don't covered the whole country eight
six six to Elliott eight six six two three five
five four six eight. So they said, there is so much.
(05:52):
There is so much, and I kind of want to
talk to someone before I tell you what it was.
Let me go that route line two. Yellie at the
morning class, Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 7 (06:04):
It's Mark from Richmond. So my brother, he's an intelligent man,
and he was on his way to work one morning
and he got an emailed that they he needed to
pick up some gift cards. Now the thing about this
is they actually gave them away at their office, like
as incentives and things, so that wasn't an uncommon thing, right.
They also knew They also knew the name he went by,
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which is not on any government documents anywhere. His name
is John Scott, but he goes by Scott. And they
were like, hey, Scott, can you run by and pick
up these gift cards and just send us the numbers
and he won't think nothing about it. They got him
for seven hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yep, so let me ask you now. The company reimbursed
him very nice.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
He had all the documentation and his email, and then
they immediately emailed everyone in the company and was like,
we're not going to ask you guys to do this,
you know, right, but it is he fell for it
because it was nothing abnormal about it, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Can I ask you this afterwards? Afterwards?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Did he did did he feel really stupid and he
did nothing wrong?
Speaker 7 (07:10):
I think he still feels stupid about his days, to
be honest with you, right.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So this is the this is the story a third
of people.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
So all you hear is prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Right, which is smart you should But they said, think
of it.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
A third of people get taken a year and you
feel stupid, You feel dumb, you feel like an idiot.
They said that we're not doing anything for recovery. Not
recovery of it, no, no, not, but that people people
are walking around going I'm the dumbest person in the world.
(07:52):
I'm the dumbest person in the world. Here I thought
I was just helping that guy in Nigeria and I'm stupid.
And what happens when you hey, thank you, sir, thank you.
And what happens when you tell your friends.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Dude, you fell for that idiot. That's me?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's you.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It is, yes, So what are we supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
They said that you really should like kind of make
sure that like like it's you. You should never walk
around feeling like you're an idiot. You should never walk
around feeling stupid. You may have made a mistake, you
may feel you may feel like a dunce. But for
a lot of people, they say, it really really eats
away at them.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
So is that why you're changing it from scam to fraud,
because it's the same being scammed. You were the victim
of a crime?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, you are the victim of a crime.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yes, but then you don't default too.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It was just have to identify the person.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, but you did well, Okay, you told me it
was transnational. But is this one of those where I
identified the person.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Not the not the not the crime.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I get where you're coming from, right, I don't excel here.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It reframes it a little bit, right, Yeah, So you
were the victim of fraud as opposed to you're the
moron who got scammed.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Well yeah, the M word, M word.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So yeah, they but they were saying, there's there's so
much that is put into prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention, prevention,
nobody's like, hey, listen. Like take that guy, like he said,
his brother feels like a buff foo. They got his
name that he doesn't even that's not his real name.
And he bought the cards because that happens at his office.
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Why should he spend years walking around going I'm a
friggin idiot.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Makes you feel bad about yourself? You should feel good
about yourself.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Well what is the first step?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, feeling good about yourself?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, how do you get there?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I don't know. I'm not a I'm not a doctor.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
No, you sounded like a therapist a few times today.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
To be honest, I don't know, but I don't know
what you would What would you do for to the
recovery other than go, hey, listen, it happens quickly.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I searched quickly. And yes, they point out how you're
not alone, which you stressed with those numbers. The first
thing they say, he is, don't blame yourself.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, well, because you.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Weren't smart enough to outsmart the bad guy. You were
trying to do something right.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
They do talk about a criminal skills of deception being
out like just unmatched.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But like, listen, when we hear about romance scams, I'm
the first one to go that person is dumb.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Every single element is designed to make it so you
can't tell what do you mean, oh that you can't
you every bit of interaction that the goal is to
not make the person suspicious. So every single element of
the exchange or however you got fraud defrauded and he
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gets gammed, you get defrauded, is meant to keep you
in line.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, no, I get that. I get that.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Well that's what they're telling these people in their recovery.
Apparently they're reminding them that there wasn't an opportunity and
and there there really.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
There wasn't an opportunity to realize Brad pitt uh needed
your money because he's quote stuck on the.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Island and die into date man.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
As soon as I said it, I was like, all
they do they tell you I'm the problem. In how
to avoid they tell you to take a breath, But
in the recovery they tell you you weren't able to breathe,
But you weren't. I mean, for a lot of people,
the urgency is the part of the gets them.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And I'm also the problem. I'm the problem, it says.
Plus receiving a barrage of daily fraudulent messages, comments, emails,
and other communications designed to draw on victims makes it very,
very hard to remain in a constant state of skepe
criticism and hyper vigilance. And even though everybody's telling you,
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you know, Brad Pitt.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Doesn't know you exist. Yeah he does. It's hot.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
This one's different.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
This brings me to the second part.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh, don't listen to the naysayers.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Fraud victims often think negatively about themselves.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yes, and that's where I'm the problem, because they already
feel horrible about them. They feel stupid. So when I remit,
you're here to rub it in absolutely. In case that
inner voice isn't loud enough, let me give it to you.
But I don't say that for all all fraud. I
don't say that for all fraud.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
This specialist says, remind yourself that you're the human, they're
the monster.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Why don't you roll your eyes at that?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I just I didn't like how that was phrased. I
didn't like how that was phrased.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Well, someone took advantage of your humanism.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yes, no, no, And don't feel bad for being a human.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Normalize your experience. You've dealt with a monster.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Yes, it's like those evil people that set up like
fake gofundmes. Yes, absolutely, they hop onto it, They hop
on and link themselves to a tragedy.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, and and somebody and because people, people have.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
The goodness of their heart, want to help their.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Beautiful hearts, and all they want to do is help people.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Oftentimes we are, though harder on ourselves than we are
on others. So maybeat yourself, treat yourself like you are
a friend, give yourself yourself that same compassion.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That you would tell somebody else. Hey, listen, you didn't
know maybe Brad Pitt was desperate.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
No, Elliott, stranger things have happened.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
No, not really stranger things. Oh you know what Finn
Wolfar did. Just send me a note. I gotta get
back to him.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Where am I going line to?
Speaker 9 (13:55):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Ellie in the morning? Hey, yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's a Joe out of Delicate City. Yes, sir, so
I actually got scammed for my penis pigs one time.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, no, it happened.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Listen, if you are a teenage boy between the ages
of thirteen and twenty four, I promise you somebody's approached
you for penis pictures at this point.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Yeah. And I actually got so scared that I branded
my brother's room and he was on Xbox Live. And
they were like, man, just look at it as free advertisement.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Don't pay them anything.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
So I didn't pay them anything.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
By the way, you're lucky.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You're lucky, they said that, because a lot of times
it doesn't go that way.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
A lot of times it goes bad. And remember, this
is a good chance.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I learned this from my friends at the National Center
for Missing and Exploited Children. Great people take it down
dot com. They'll work with you, very important, but that
counts those people are getting scammed.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, and they talk about another resource. There are apparently
a lot of support groups for victims of these crimes.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Like on so like online, like you can find like
Facebook groups or stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I guess a very popular one. And I wasn't going
to tell you the sponsor of it because I was
going to make fun.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I dated Brad pitt too dot com.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, it's hosted by the AARP.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Oh no, that makes sense for old people.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Oh so you're fine with that. Yeah, well you don't
want to You don't want to stereotype these victims.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
They're No, they're not old. The AARP people are old.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
They are, but you don't have to be fifty plus
to get defrauded. Wait almost said the S.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Word the Wait.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So were they saying AARP does it for everybody or
just like elderly scale.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
I think they're probably highlighting the people who are victimized.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, train facilitators but very smart are brought in for
these group sessions, which are confidential and spent as meaningful
peer to peer sharing and support.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I'll tell you what, man, the more you hear like
all the old people that get it, and then all
the crap you hear that go like with the mentioned stuff, Dude,
getting old must blow.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
True words. Never got stoken. By the way, this is great.
This is actually really nice because you said, and you've
said it before, that it when you're a friend or
a family member or even a colleague, sometimes it may
feel like you're banging your head against the wall. Oh,
trying to get in someone exactly, you can attend these
group sessions not just as a victim, but as a
(16:40):
victim's friend now or network.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, okay, so Diane, Diane is given away. She's sixty
grand in the hole because Brad Pitt's needs.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Right, I could go there a good movie in a
while and just go.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Oh, my god, my friend Diane, she's sixty grand in
the whole, Dayton Brand, What do I do?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, mister Siegel, what have you been doing? Laughing and
yelling at her?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Is this the the path that you intended to take
this segment down?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
No, I did no because no, they didn't help myself.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Well, no, because Diane keeps bringing up Brad Pitt. The No, No,
it's just that people.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
They said, there's a problem where a third of the
people a year are walking around feeling dumb, yes, and
stupid and and less than and unhappy and what.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Does that lead to? So no, it's not good. So no,
the direction was.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But I would also bet nobody gets help for it
unless they're already in therapy, right, if they're already seeing
a therapist or something. But I guarantee you nobody sought
out a therapist because they bought gift cards.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
But as they say here, and it makes a lot
of sense, not only are you mad at yourself and
you're mad at everybody else, upset that you've been robbed
of something, but most often money, but you have lost
your sense of security and your faith in those around you,
especially those strangers that you have to weave in and
(18:16):
out of every single day.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
If I got, for whatever reason, I got scammed out
of five grand, I would be more mad that I
fell for the scam then I lost the money.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Is that how it played out?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Oh, you eventually got paid I got paid back. Yeah,
who's the winner here?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
No interest? Still one the Uh? I don't think the
in some ways it was I'm being honest.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
No, no, but you know what I mean. It wouldn't
be yes, the money. Don't get me wrong. I love
money a lot, but I think it would be I
think that's how overpowering the feeling would be of being
a falling for it as opposed to what it was now.
Maybe you feel differently if you're twenty grand, fifty grand,
(19:06):
one hundred grand in the hole, like or your life savings.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
But I think to their point and even to yours. Yes,
you fell for it, but you may not even realize initially.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Well, of course not initially, I would have never sent
the money. The issues you have on the horizon, oh true.
With trust true, Oh, you learn not to trust ever again.
And that's what we were supposed to help people with.
During this break, you've called them stupid multiple times.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
No, no, but I'll be very honest with you.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Like Jackie and I have a friend doesn't live around here,
but Jackie and I have a friend who fell on
really really, really really hard time and reached out and
asked to if they could borrow some money. I said
to Jackie, I mean we can do it. But just no,
there's a good chance we ain't never seen that. Did
we not learn anything?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I said? Did you didn't you learn? I learned.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Now we've been sent I'm not gonna I can't trust
a random voice message.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I'll dump it.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
No, but it's accompanied with the line your good intentions
are not negated by someone else's bad behavior.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That's that, that is that's that that's you know what.
That's like a towel or something like that. You hang
off like.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
A cross stitch mesa towel, I thought he struggled with
the word that he was trying to come up with after.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
That hanging there.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
But now a few.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Words later in what I hesitate to call a sentence a.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Towel, you have all your inspirational phrases on towels, anything
like a golf towel.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I don't know, but just shouting that is like a
momentum a beach towel, like your good.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Intention shouldn't be outdone by somebody being an a hole.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah. No, that that's great. That's inspirational, like a pillow
or something. Where am I going mine? Seven? Hi Ellie
in the morning?
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Hi, Hi, I got stams this week?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Are you serious? Can I ask for?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
What?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Do you mind?
Speaker 10 (21:25):
Okay, No, I don't mind. So my son, Kayton is
in uh he's a junior in high school. I got
a call from this sat prep place and you know
how they like, uh, they'll farm the numbers so it
looks like it's coming from, oh, like a local number.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah sure.
Speaker 10 (21:42):
So they said, oh, we need a credit card for
a two hundred and fifty dollars to hold the the
products that we're going to send you for.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
His test prep.
Speaker 10 (21:51):
I'm thinking my kid needs all the help he can get.
You know, no offense, Dayton, but he needs some help.
So I went through the whole process. The guy says, Okay,
I need your credit card, so I gave him my card.
In my brain, I knew I didn't have two hundred
and fifty dollars on that card so it wouldn't go through.
(22:12):
But I wasn't thinking it was a scam at the
moment until later when he said, I'll email you all
the information and I got no email, no follow up,
no nothing.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
And I looked it up later and it was a
total scam.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
And I should have known because they didn't tell me
his correct high school.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
When I went back and.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Thought about it, right, yeah, but I mean you get
wrapped up. You're right in the middle of it, and
you know he's got the test coming up. You need
the prep. I understand Peyton needs all the help he
can get. Like all of that is going on. I
get that.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I do have a question though.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
You said you gave him a credit card, but you
knew you didn't have the money like that seems like
you're trying to fraud them.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
A little bit.
Speaker 9 (22:57):
I mean, you know, I don't feel bad about it.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
No, but let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
When all was said and done and you realize that
they got you, you feel stupid.
Speaker 10 (23:07):
Oh I feel stupid because if I would have listened.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
To them and they said.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
Oh for Calvert High School. In my brain, he doesn't
go to Calbert High School. He goes to the Tuxon right,
So why would it be requested through Calbert High School
when he doesn't go there?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Hold on, I am getting a note from Peyton. Can
you please just say my last name so everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Mom shut up? All right, very good, Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But there's your problem, right, Yeah, and they get you
at an emotional time.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, yes, yeah, that's a quote. Chapel Ron parenting is hell.
Chicken Loaf does appreciate that we posted the information about
the support groups because they seem like easy pickings.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Oh god, is it is sign? It's funny?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Is it a sign of being a decent person? That?
Not once did I think somebody would use that to
go bad her people?
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Because I didn't think that, And I'm I'm better than decent,
I'm a good person.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Not once, not for even a nanosecond did I think
that group could be targeted. I was thinking it was
all for positive, yes, of course, trying to help people.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Of course, where am I going? Mine? Six Hi Elliott
in the morning. Hello, Yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Hi?
Speaker 9 (24:41):
I'm my name Jessica. How are you good?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Jessica? What can I do for you?
Speaker 9 (24:46):
So, actually, about six months ago, my son sixteen. At
that time, I was sitting at home and all of
a sudden, somebody knocks on my door. I was upstairs
and my boyfriend answered the door, and it was be
Child Protection Services for sex sex exploitation, right, And I
(25:07):
was like, what is going on? And basically the same situation,
my son had met somebody on Snapchat, a female asked
for naked photos and added him on Instagram and then
once she found out basically or who whoever he, she
would have whatever whoever the person.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Oh, I could promise you it wasn't a show.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Exactly.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
Basically was like, we will exploit all these photos to
your family members whatever. They won't you know, they will absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
By the way, we also got all your friends and
followers on Instagram. We're gonna send it to all of them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
No, it's a horrible stam that's going around. Well, I
can't say going around. It's been going around.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
So they actually told me that it is such a
problem that they literally have She said hundreds of people
per week even in that are there upset because they
were scammed out of this money. But then my daughter
actually got involved as well because my son he has
an account, but he's not responsible, so I like cut
(26:12):
it off. So he went to my daughter and was like,
I need money for this. And so then they were like, well,
we need both of their phones. We need to find
out what's going on where this is coming from. But
basically because it was from overseas, they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, most of them, I think for that scam.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
They say most of not all of them, and they
should all be reported, but most of them are in Nigeria.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
But then my grandma, so I live in Maryland now,
but I'm from Florida. My grandma has this guy saying
he's elon Musk and talking to her all the time,
and we are trying to cut that off.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
But tell Granny, I am he ain't that, that ain't him.
That ain't no offense, Granny, but she still was, she
still giving her money away.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well, okay, let me offer up an ARP group.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Thank you he's word that cheese on his head. I
worked that well for him.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
God.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Jordans Al writes, love you guys for talking about this.
I lost eighty thousand dollars when I was pregnant for
a wire frog on the down payment of a new home.
I beat myself up all the time about it.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yes, and you can't.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It wasn't Brad Pitt though I'm not a dufist. Could
you imagine losing eighteen thousand dollars?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Serious?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I'm being serious for you a lot of people, that's
reality that happens.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Oh no, no, I know, but that's what I'm saying.
You don't.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
You don't let yourself off the hook for that. You
spend a lifetime, a lifetime beating yourself up about why
how can I be so ef and stupid?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And you shouldn't go through life like that. That's what
we've been. It's very harmful. That's that's what I started
by saying, and it's very harmful and got derailed pretty
quickly by the way.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Britain coming to your defense, maybe instead of an embroidery hoop,
you were thinking of a dish towel, because he has
one that says rise and shine, mother Cluckers, has a
little silhouette of a rooster on it.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
But that that, but that gets me back to the
very beginning. We don't spend any time on the recovery. Right,
if I lost it, if I lost eighteen thousand dollars,
I would be.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I would, I don't even I would. You'd be desponded.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
That's not a strong enough word. I would hate myself
because you'd said, you know, you know, you know what,
you know what you know? What? Word more than because
it's worse than than being than hating yourself. Ashamed, feeling shame,
that's the worst one. You'd be ashamed of what you
(28:59):
did and you didn't do anything. It was whatever my
towel said there about. No, don't let your good No,
not that, don't let your good intentions be over with
the bad.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
People, mother cluckers.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You would be ashamed of yourself, and that's a horrible
way to go through life.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
We're told in every other crime not to victim blame.
Why should it be allowed when it's a scam? Exactly now?
You are often accused.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
No I am, I said, I'm the problem when did
you get all of the gift cards?
Speaker 7 (29:36):
Not just.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I often have to warn you that we're entering into
the territory of blaming the victim.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, but sometimes Hi Elliott the morning. Hello, Hello, yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Hi who My name is Sue Yen.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Hey what are you No, that's just a call back
to yesterday. Where are you from? I hear an accent?
Do you speak any languages?
Speaker 6 (30:14):
I'm from nel Sabador.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Oh, thank you, thank you? Yes. What can I do
for you? Ma'am? What can I do for you? Well?
Speaker 6 (30:27):
I appreciate you doing this because it's very important that
people know that the frog can cause people want a suicide.
My brother lost his job, so he was trying to
get in online, trying to find a job, and in
(30:47):
finding these people, they say, hey, you can make money
with a pitcoin, and he was trying one and say okay,
I give you three hundred dollars and he get it
six hundred dollars back. So when he said, when he
see that this is a good, oh, I can make
(31:08):
you more money, right, the whole ten thousand dollars he
was saving, he put it in there and later he
saw there was a scam.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Right, yeah, a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Actually, I'm actually very glad that you call, because a
lot of times that's what happens is they get you
on the first one by giving you money. So it's
like the oh, look this worked out. Look at that,
I gave fifty, I got one hundred, I gave fifty,
I got two hundred. Next thing you know, we make
a big jump and we're up to five six or
like you said, he had saved his whole life for
(31:43):
ten thousand dollars and then he got taken as a scam.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Yes, and the mole situation is he didn't want to
say to anybody he was a struggle financially and I
just have it like his Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Where?
Speaker 6 (32:02):
What's the problem?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Was?
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Where you're like this? And he almost design I believe
it because the life is the life is lost, lost
his job.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
So and.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
It is very sad, very sad that this has happened.
But thank you for doing this because everybody has to
be alert. Any phone calls, nothing, absolutely answer, don't don't
do anything because it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I appreciate you calling.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Thank you, ma'am, thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You got to talk to you later.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
It's the first thing you said with the statistics, you're
you're not alone.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, there's one in three, one in three.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
That number is only even. That's with campaigns like this
one and that's what. But that's the ones they know of.
But that number, sadly is skinna grow
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