EITM interviews Wilderado

EITM interviews Wilderado

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
I wasn't going to introduce will Dorado yet. But now
I'm talking to Max.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
He tells me he likes this song off the record.
But you were saying that some of the other ones
you listen back to, not on this record, but on
like previous work, and you just got nice.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Sometimes I'll go back and this didn't think, how should
we have done?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
So go back in and redo it.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well, you know what's funny is we're doing that right
now on our first two epis. Are you really yeah?
So they turned ten this year. I mean, I guess
we're telling everyone this now, evinually.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Oh wait, hold on? Am I getting news here?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Getting news?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, hold on?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Let me get a winter first, Let me get a
winter head. No, I wasn't prepared for that.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hi Ellie in the morning, Yes it is.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
Who are you?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Kelly?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
All right, Kelly, I gotta go quick.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I am going to give you a I will give
you one hundred dollars cash.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I will also qualify you to win a.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Grand prize trip to head to Boston for the Boston
Calling Music Festival.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
So you hold tight one second.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I we'll get some info from You'll get ready to
get breaking new. I don't know what the f is
going on behind you, but it's very loud.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm a field I'm not a field truck. Sorry, oh
you're shaper running a field truck. Well change, go ahead
and on, Liam.

Speaker 6 (01:12):
Liam say butthole.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
No, come on, yeah, it is a you're going to
the Basilica? Right, Okay, hold on one second, Hold on
one second.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Now I have to.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Explain that it's a thing that parents like to do
with their kids. They'll call in and have their kids
say buttthole on the air. Yeah, that's fine. Wait, so anyway,
what breaking news am I getting what?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's not very exciting, but the context was you asked,
why don't you go back and change it? So our
first two EPs turned ten this year, right, which is
a Hello Ladiger and Misty Shrubs what they're called. And
they originally started as they were all recorded at the
same time, but we thought it would be it would
be fun to go back and just reapproach all those

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songs and see what it would be like if we
were to record them now instead of ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Ago, but record them the same, or like sit down
and go, hey, let's change some of the guitars, or
like let's change stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh yeah, big changes, are you really? Yeah? So some
of the some of the songs I think kept like
the same structure and same same cordage, I guess. But
but some of them we've changed a lot of stuff.
Because but is all that done?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Because I was gonna say, looking at your schedule, it
seems like you have nothing but time right now.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, so that it's like, why wouldn't we just go
back and just redo a bunch of vps.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I think the idea was why not? And then also
I think we still love those songs a lot. We
play them. We've played them for so long, we still
play them, We're going to continue playing them. It was
just kind of an idea. We started kicking around as
like what would it be like to approach these songs
like we'd written them now, and you know, not to
challenge the originals we love the originals stuff, but just
as like a why not.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's kind of cool? I don't know, I don't know that.
I've heard of a lot of people doing it, you
know what.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
And every time I have conversation with friends, they kind
of say the same thing, like Wow, that's cool. And
I think we were we thought it's felt cool. But uh,
I don't know. I've never really thought of people if
people have done it or not before, but I've had
that response.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, No, I like that a lot. Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Anyway, let's make an official Max Tyler justin or here.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Will Dorado is with us?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
All right?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I mentioned the schedule.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
We're just qualifying somebody to go to Boston Calling. That.
I know that that you guys are playing. That's fun. Yeah,
and I love the show this year. The lineup for
Boston Calling is great this year.

Speaker 7 (03:34):
Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, so I like that.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
But you know what I like that you guys are
doing out on the road is so there's festivals obviously
like Boston Calling, Bonaou, but then you're also doing your
own headlining stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
So you're doing nine thirty, the nine thirty Club at
DC when you come back to.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, which, by the way, that's like been a huge
goal of ours. That is such a rad club that
we've would just have have such high hopes of selling
out and having a great night there because we've never
been able to do it. We've never done it before,
they never played it, never even never been and step
foot in.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
Yeh are you serious?

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
All we do is watch our favorite bands go through
and this is our first time.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Nine thirty is awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
It is, it's it is a fantastic, fantastic club. The uh,
the owner guys is awesome. Set's great. So yes, you'll
love that. But I was gonna say, I like that
it is big, massive festivals. Then you're doing your your
headlining show at at nine thirty, and then in Richmond
you're doing Allion's opening up for Head and the Heart
or doing support. I don't know if opening up sounds rude,

(04:36):
but doing support for Head and the Heart.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
I like that. There's kind of like three different e
things going on.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
We're hitting your area pretty well this year, but.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I like that you're hitting our area absolutely. But I
also like the different like just the different events. I
don't I don't know what to call them.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Just shall Yeah they've put together. And I said, you
know Northeast Corner for us and twenty five.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, no, I think that's fantastic. Do you like doing
Do you like doing the festival stuff?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yes? Yeah, of course depends. I mean yes, I think
I was gonna say, depends what festival, but really not.
I mean they're all really fun, some of them are
a little nerve wracking because it's like you're just thrown
in front of thousands of people and there's no there's
no sound check. It's very running gun, right, but the
day is always really really fun, are you guys more?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Are you well go back to the whole like running
gun thing for a second. So, like when they go like,
does that is it stressful of going like no sound check? Like, okay,
Dave Matthews may be accustomed to this, but I'd at
least like to make sure stuff works right now.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean the sad truth is you want to
believe how much can go wrong?

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Really?

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah? And so I mean usually a band will be
spending the first half of the day preparing the show
you're gonna see, right, and stuff breaks all the time,
and so if that happened at a festival, it's just
it's broken. If it happens usually on a headline during
the day, you'll you'll find out before the gig and
be able to fix it or have prep time to

(06:09):
expect it to some degree. But yeah, festivals are cool
in that regard too, though. It's just like when you're
seeing a band at a festival, there's usually no way
they sound checked unless they're the headliner, right, they're just
they showed up and then they're there in front of
you playing their songs.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
See.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
But I would think if something broke, like if you're
a guitar broke, I would think at a festival, you
just go like, oh, well, Vampire Weekend's buses right there.
Why wouldn't I just go grab a guitar from them?
Like there would be a community of like sharing.

Speaker 8 (06:39):
Yeah, I bet it would be, But there's just hundreds
of people behind the scenes and you don't know who's who,
and who's a part of what crew and who's.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Well you just.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Broke, it would be it would be a better chance
of finding a guitar.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Let me ask you this because I know that you
so like, like I mentioned Boston, Colling, you've done Lollapalooza
and Bonneru Austin City Limits. Wait, right, and that's that's
close to home for for for you guys know, Tulsa
is home. When you were kids, did you go to
Austin City Limits like as fans to just go watch bands?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Did you ever?

Speaker 8 (07:19):
I never did know.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I did a couple of times, but not as kids.
That's that's when we were in school, Tyler and I
were at school in Waco, Texas, so we I went
down twice.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Right, Okay, so I'm assuming Baylor at Waco the so going.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
But at that point we're not a band yet, right.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
No, we've been, uh, we've been making songs, writing songs
and playing, but Willarado didn't exist in any form.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
When you go to when you go to Austin City
Limits and like you said, you went twice from from college.
The when when you go back and you're playing it.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Is it weird having been like we used to stand out.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
There and now we're up here, like when you would
stand out there, were you at any point like hey,
once this all comes together, we'll be on the other
side of the barricade.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I mean, dude, everything's weird. Yeah, Literally being in a
recording studio is weird. Still, It's like you'll have random
flashes where it's like, right now this is really weird,
or being on the radio is really weird. You know,
everything really well. Some context is like because you listen
to it depends like where your perspective is that day.
I we have I personally have definitely played festivals like

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a c L and thought, I cannot believe we're the
ones that people are watching right now, because I clearly
remember being out.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, being out in the crowd and watching it.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, that that would seem very weird to me to
go from being that that kid kind of into.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
The like category of we can't believe this worked, which
which the answer to that question is yes, I think
that all the time.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
The so but does that does that does that feel
more unnatural than like doing nine thirty club? Like that
has that sunk in yet of like, Okay, we travel
around and this like this is what we do for
a living.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I think the ninth Sorry guys, shut me up if
I'm dude, I think the nine thirty club deal is
rad because that's like a collection of your people. It's like,
this is our community, these are these are the people
that are you know history has shown or are are
really spending time with our tunes? Right? And and we
you kind of go in with this care free feeling

(09:28):
of like just getting to be together, and then a
festival is more like this big event that you're getting
to be a part of. And so they kind of
separate themselves very clearly in my mind in that regard
when you go and play a festival, it's like, this
is so cool to have been invited to be a
part of this. When you play your headlines, it's like,

(09:48):
this is so cool to get to be with the
people that are giving life to our songs.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
And then give me, so then give me what is
the what is the feeling when it's support for head
and the Heart.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
It's just opportunity. Brother, Yeah, this is thank you for
hearing your fans with us.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Right, So it is it is both so it is
these are these are our fans, These are the people
that are coming to see us, and and this is
our community and these are people.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
But we still have to keep getting more people.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, oh man, yeah, especially to to this day and age,
like everyone's by the hair of their chinny chinchin. So
more fans and more tickets are are very useful.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Now going out with the how did how did the
pairing with had and the Heart come about? Boy?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
It can happen one hundred ways. I mean for us,
usually it's like we get sent to some options for
support from our agents because we trust them and we
trust their idea of what will help in the markets.
And then you know, random shows we'll just have friends
bands that we want to play. I don't really know
what the Head and Heart does. I know that we
were pitched with probably a group of other artists. I

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don't know how much of a role they played into
actually selecting us.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I just think did I read somewhere Max that at
one point I don't remember where it was in will
Dorado's start or or early part, but one of their records,
and I can't remember which one was a huge influence
on you.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, that's true. It was just the Head in the
Heart I think was the name of that record.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh, okay, the.

Speaker 8 (11:11):
One with Rivers and Roads.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, that og album.

Speaker 8 (11:14):
I remember you sending me old YouTube video of them
performing that thirteen fourteen years ago.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, they they did.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
Oh my brother, it is Doom is older than me.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I remember hearing that and just thinking like, man, I
just that just it was like, this is so simple.
Why do you ever think stuff like this? Guy just
gave this to me because he had it in his
head and somehow I had it in mind, and it's
like it opened up with a thing for me in songwriting.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Is that Is that a story that you can share
with them?

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well? No, I have uh just online. I mean, but
I think, yeah, we were hanging out. I would I
will gladly tell them that that.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Very nice people. We just did something with them, was
it a week or two ago? Very very nice people.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (12:00):
You never know what the support slots because I think
we've learned doing it. Part of our role is to
come and kind of be out of the way, right
and so if they don't really want to communicate, and
we'll read that and we'll step away. But yeah, I mean,
we've heard only great things about people. I'm assuming we'll
get along well.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
And we also, you know, aren't shy to take the
time to go and tell Jim James that this is
the sickest thing ever. Like, we're not ashamed of that
for sure.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
But he was an example of We played four shows
with him and we didn't really talk to him or
see him until the last night, and he was like,
I just take it seriously, and I you know, I
apologize I wasn't around more. But you guys are great.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
He was awesome. Oh well that's cool. Yeah, that's not
you kind of go in with low expectations. I tell
you what. That's the theme of all of this. You
should be of your life too, if you're listening, drop
your expectations.

Speaker 8 (12:55):
Mornings of Mac.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
All right, So so head in the Heart.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
That record was a big infla winsye.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Blind is huge, and then one that we don't give
enough love to that I think, I hope you guys
are hoping the same thing. But I think was probably
the biggest inspiration is Delta Spirit.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh really really.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
And we'll all probably still say one of the greatest
any rock bands of all time, greatest front man, greatest songwriter.
And then just greatest records, I mean, greatest show. They
they're just greate name, they're just absolutely epic tunes.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's not who I thought you were gonna say, because
didn't We also spend a ton of time with Three
Dog Night.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Oh yeah, that was early days. So that was my dad,
big Three Dog Night guys. Same with my mom. But
oh yeah, those records still kill too.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
The and so so so back me up, back.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Me up, right.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
So we're from the So you wanted a little Three
Dog Night story, absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Jimmy Greenspoon Three Dog Knight used to live in the area,
so we used to see him all the time, Like
he would call in, he would just come into the
radio station, and I don't want to say hang out.
He wasn't like, hey did the food get here? Like
I want something to eat. But he was the one
that taught us, at least with with the band with
Three Dog Knight, that they were not involved in an

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orgy unless there was more than seven women at a time.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
That was the breaking point of that was that's justin
him very nice because there are three of them.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
No, it was just it was seven women and that
was it. Didn't also sleep with Janis Joplin. I want
to say, yes, I believe.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
Thank you, thank you, Joshin.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
I need to look up absolute tunes and they're so
vibey too. Well, I know the tunes, I mean like
the people. Oh yeah, you know, I don't know much
about that because they were kind of like three singing heads,
weren't they. I mean, it wasn't it like three artists
that were I'm not sure they did a bunch of
riding unlike you.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
No, they didn't do a lot of writing.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
But I was really focused more on Jimmy's story than.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
On anything else.

Speaker 8 (15:06):
So he's the guy.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Okay, So so back me up.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
So Tulsa's home, that's where that's where we all grow up.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
What is the what is but you two?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
So Max and Tyler don't get together until college?

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Correct, Yes, sir and Tyler grew up in Wauksatchee, Texas,
which is just south of Dallas.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Okay, yeah, we.

Speaker 8 (15:26):
Met in college. We all ended up in LA for
a stint and then start having babies from now where
I was the last to get to Tulsa. I've been
there two years. But man, it's it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Do you like it?

Speaker 8 (15:38):
I love it? Do you realize as my wife loves it,
my kids are loving it. Yeah, we love it.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
It was a wild thing Tyler coming to town because
the band's doing a lot and we were flying him
in all the time and in the Tulsa Yeah, to
rehearse and to write and to just to leave for
two or et cetera, et cetera. So it was like,
very clearly would have would be wonderful if Tyler Tyler
lived here. But but y'all have I mean a kid

(16:05):
and a wife and his wife Tory's cutting Harry had
a bunch of clients in La. So it was like
it was a hard pitch to make, but I.

Speaker 8 (16:13):
Mean eventually, yeah, we got pregnant with number two and
knew that we couldn't live in La So yeah, So
then I convinced her to go to Tulsa and she's, yeah,
we're loving it. Man, It's like, good for you. And
the more I'm there, the more I really want to
invest in the city. Not financially, but you know as
a band.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Clear, I'll to the restaurant.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
So I don't I don't want to gloss over it though.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
So so we're we're at Baylor and we're we're in
our fifth year of school and we get together, we start,
we start working and we start putting music together.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
How do we go to how do we decide we're
going to go to l A?

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Like?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
What what's the draw to get to Los Angeles?

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Well? I was writing songs with my sister, right and
uh he was in l A. Correct, and they were
gonna come.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
To It's the whole family musical. Like I know your
mom was a singer, right.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, for your find on all this info, man.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I called your mom.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I called you, I've invested in Tulsa.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't know what you whispered.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
God damn it.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
My family is a musical. They are, whether they liked
to admit it or not. Two of us played music
for a long time and Sundays in New York and
they still write and but they're just doing so much
other stuff. But long story short is, I had a
really random opportunity to come up to go play college

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circus with this band that had booked a bunch of tours.
And so I graduated school and just went straight on
the road with a bunch of people I didn't know.
Sunday and I and we wrote hooks for this very
odd group and that was but it was really rad.
It's just it was like the definition of something I
have never planned to do and did for three years too.

Speaker 8 (18:04):
I mean we did a lot of dates. You did
it well, man, you did it really well.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah. We would go and I don't know if you've
heard of NAKA the national something that spells NACA basically
good enough. You go and you find acts for your
school for the year. So they would send student governments
to these big regional or national showcases essentially, and we
get fifteen minutes we'd play in front of thousands of kids,

(18:29):
and then we'd go to basically a farmer's market, right
and have a booth and hope people would come and
book us, and they would, and so we went all
around It's crazy. And while doing that, I started writing
more and this definitely didn't really fit the vibe of
what Sunday and I were doing.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
And this is out in Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
You're living in La Sir. This is twenty eleven through
twenty fifteen, and long story short, Tyler, Tyler some health
convinced Tory to move to Lot because they were in
Aspen kind of ski bumming. And were you really yeah,
we graduated.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Were you just like a mountain rat?

Speaker 9 (19:10):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (19:11):
Yeah, it was awesome? And then we decided we needed
to leave. And she had a friend.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
And were you married in college or did you get
married after college?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
After? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh okay, yeah, And so the two you were like,
let's go, let's go to let's go get high, let's
go to Aspen.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
We're gonna go be ski rats.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
And then what is the phone call that gets you
to that gets you.

Speaker 8 (19:31):
More of like that leaving school they had I had
barely scratched a niche of like whoa, I was kind
of writing or it was a part of something now.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
So you were musical also, well, you had already been
writing stuff.

Speaker 8 (19:44):
Yeah, I remember we'd go over to his apartment and
just drink bad whiskey and play with the lay pedals
and think we were good. But yeah, I remember scratching
that itch and thing and that was cool. I'd love
to do that. And we were going to go to
Austin and then he was in La and my wife
had a friend in La, and we just said after
leaving Texas, we didn't want to go back so La.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
It was now justin you're the weird one to me
and all of this. Yeah, you were never in a
band before will Dorado? Right, you have where where were you?
Where were you? So they're out in La? Where are
you living at that point? Are you in Tulsa?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Still in Tulsa? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
But you own a drum set?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
I do now?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
You Did you own one? Then?

Speaker 5 (20:24):
No?

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I just bought one. Whenever they asked me to join
the band. I literally went to the pawn shop. I mean,
are you start a picture? Started get an idea of
how this all came together?

Speaker 8 (20:32):
Like how but we had a drummer?

Speaker 9 (20:35):
Right?

Speaker 8 (20:36):
We had parted ways and at twenty four we were like,
what do we do in max Set? I got a
friend I'm gonna ask him.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
I have a friend.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
He's never been in a band. He also doesn't own drums.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
But I also hadn't really met.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, wait, what do you mean you hadn't met?

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well, it just he dated a girl that went to
my high school, and I'd seen him in a couple
of dances and we kind of we had met, right,
they never spent any time together.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, and in your head, you're like, this is the
perfect drummer.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, it's like this guy has no idea what he's doing,
and you don't know you can on our team. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (21:11):
Well, the truth was we didn't know what we were doing,
so we couldn't afford to hire someone that what they
were doing.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
And I was more calculated than that.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
But you also had instruments. It doesn't have a goddamn thing.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
I knew he played the drums because you were playing
at some churches. I was playing at church. I did
the whole church, and I knew he was an artist. Oh,
and I knew he was cool, and I just asked around.
I've heard people say he's just really relaxed and quiet,
and obviously he's just super easy to be around. And
what did I do? Did I call you, I email
you just I think it was a text.

Speaker 10 (21:42):
I think it was a text message because we had
met at maybe your sister's something, at your uncle in
your uncle's house or something. I remember there was hay
bells when we sat outside. It was in Tulsa and
you were just in town for a little bit, and
then we exchange numbers I think there and then you
have my numbers.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
It was there was just so is it just out
of the blue? You get a text and you were like, well.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
It felt like in la. I'll tell you one thing
that I do support is that I loved the idea
of not bringing in someone that had been in a
bunch of bands. We hadn't been in a bunch of bands.
We were doing. We were all on the same page
of just kind of like approaching this from a very
novus state of mind, and I didn't want to come

(22:27):
in and bring in somebody that just kind of pushed
us around, told us what to do. I want to
bring in somebody that was excited to play our songs
and that we all thought was cool, and that just
kind of ended up being what happened. It worked out perfectly.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
So how long how long were you in Los Angeles
with justin no, just as like as everything gets gone
two thousand.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Well, I've started paying rent in twenty thirteen, but I
was leaving on people's couches there we two thousand and
twelve to twenty eighteen. It's twenty eighteen turn of that year.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
You were living on people's couch.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, no, I started paying on writ in twenty fifteen. Sorry,
sorry barely and then and then where we were living,
I kind of stayed mostly on the West side. I
never really got into the well east wasn't really cool
until we started. I mean we started getting cooler, and like,
uh when was that?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Like you weren't living like in Santa Monica. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
We were up Pico and the ten basically it's a
little pocket actually called West La And Okay, for a
while we were north way far out of town, north
of Malibu in Latigo Canyon, right, which was sick. That
was there was eighteen months that we didn't deserve in
this world and we got them.

Speaker 8 (23:45):
And that house burned down.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yes it really not with us in it though, well
I gathered that but in the recent fires, yeah, oh
did it really?

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Oh that's kind of sad.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
It is, but as we shared, I mean, gosh, we
pulled up together one time.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
It's like you could just there wasn't a day that
passed without us just going this is heaven on earth.
And it truly was. I mean, get a picture of
this on top of a hill in Ladigo Canyon, so
you're north of Malibu, up the pch and our neighbors
are horses, no joke. Our fence line was a corral

(24:20):
with these two horses, love Her Boy and and they
would come up and you would pet them in the
morning and spend time with these horses on top of
a mountain looking over the ocean, and yeah, it was
the epic were recorded, so like Ladigo and Misty Shrubb,
those songs are from that living room. And we weren't
a fancy studio with the buddy for like, yeah, but

(24:41):
one day to do drums and stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
But like, yeah, it's kind of full circles and you
were like, you know what, enough of this, We're going
back to Tulsa.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, why would we ever want to stay here?

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, yeah, I mean you can only see the Hollywood
Sign so many times.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah hereugh, the Hollywood Sign. We were looking at we
were just looking at the open sky. But it was like,
I think, you know, this is where Natalia comes in
the story in My Wife and so classic I fell
in love with somebody and kind of tripped the band,
and then we accidentally got pregnant and then really comes
into play, and and everything went from partying in Malibu

(25:22):
and being I mean fair enough high and intoxicated almost
all the time. Bastards right, just bad you know, slope,
you didn't get that text early enough. We went from
we went from that to me having a small family,
right and uh, and then also literally simultaneously getting a

(25:44):
really cool manager, a really incredible booking agency and starting
to work with the little label. And then we just
got sent on the road. So it was like our
lives changed quicker, I think than I ever realized.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Whenever when when when you had to hit the there,
like you said, if you if you were drunk and high,
you're living in you're living just north of Malibu, you're
on the water, you're out in La You're hoping you
get picked at the farmer's market or whatever. But like
you're writing and you're doing stuff and like this is
great and and Justin's out there now and Tyler convinced
that everybody's there and now all of a sudden, you're like,

(26:20):
uh oh, Like was there was there a moment of
and obviously you wouldn't trade any of it now, but
in the moment, was there any resentment of what did
I just do?

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
I mean yeah, big time? And I think it wasn't
what did I just do? It was how is this
going to impact everyone else? Because do you think it
was over? I don't know what I thought. All I
really thought, to be honest is I can't lose Natalia.
I was like, I fell in love and that is
what it is. And so I wasn't. I wasn't to me.

(26:54):
It was just like, is are the dudes going to
be down to do this new version of the band,
which is going to be We're going to tour relentlessly
and we're going to start making this into a thing
and it's going to be focused around our little family.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
So was it at that point that you put the
flag in the ground of we are we are officially
a band? Like we may have been playing band, but
now like this is this was going to be our life?

Speaker 3 (27:23):
What were you telling us the other day? Who was
it that told you that said you're not really banned
until you do. I think Dave Sarty someone someone. We
had multiple people that are very respectable in the industry
be like, you will be a band when you've done
this for ten thousand hours and you've done one hundred
and fifty dates in a year or two fifty year

(27:44):
and it is someone they We just kind of had
this collection of people beating it into us that like,
you don't just get to be a band, you know
what I mean, You've got it. This is a lifestyle
of hard work, right, and not normally hard work, but
it's a hard fought thing to not fall into the

(28:04):
wrong expectations and the wrong thinking and the wrong life
all around. Is it's just kind of like, here's this
entire meal of things that are hard to eat. Start working.
It feels like dinnertime at our house set fire. But
it truly was like we started out. We wrote morning
Light and Wheat and we're up there dogs jam in

(28:26):
these songs, thinking, man, we're gonna win a freaking Grammy.
This is making our own feet dance. I would not
do the same with it, right and.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Just just real quick, oh sorry, no, that's I don't care.
It's the stupid FCC.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
But that's fine.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, no one does care about you, and I think, oh,
I thought you met me specifically, I mean.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Us and you listening, it's like you, you, you should
be very lucky if someone cares about you. It is
a special, special thing. And then as a person, right
people take it for granted. But as a band, it's like, man,
you can go find ten of us, you know what
I mean. It's like music is just so saturated the

(29:11):
idea that like you're special and more special than someone else.
Right now, it's like, I just don't think it's crazy.
But we thought that, didn't we in that moment.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
But I can I disagree with you though, absolutely, because
I don't and listen. Maybe some of it is luck.
Maybe some of it is you end up in front
of the right people at the right time, where you
cross paths with the right you're out on a hay
bail and you exchange text messages with somebody who knows
your cousin whatever it is, But you don't buy happen stance,

(29:44):
end up playing festivals you know you don't buy happenstance,
end up headlining tours that just doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, and we did. That's what we did. We earned
it because we worked hard. And I don't think there's
been a whole lot of luck for us other than
meeting each other and like staying really true to the
conditions of just working hard and being respectful to each
other and respecting the fact that like the only thing
we can do is bring ourselves to the table. That's like,

(30:17):
if you're an artist, that's what you have to give us.
You don't have to give us what someone else is
already doing. You have to give us yourself. And like,
lots of times it's not going to be popular, sure,
And so you know, it's something that we've really committed to.
Even within our own team, it's like lots of times
we deliver stuff that just isn't exciting to them, and
we have to just stomach the fact that, like, well,

(30:38):
that's what we're giving you right now, that's what we
are right now, is this and what are we gonna
do with it? Is it gonna work? Is it not?
And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Are you guys in lockstep when it comes to that,
I think.

Speaker 8 (30:51):
Yeah, I would think so, Yeah, I mean we've been
able to like voice our opinions and concerns and feelings.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Well, I'm sure to each other you'll say, yeah, but
what it's the outside forces. I feel like to meet
up with them, the three of you would have to
be in lockstep one.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Hundred percent yeah, yeah, and we'll wrestle until we are
because we can't go. We can't start revealing new music
specifically to our team until we're all like, this is
what we want to show the team, right, because as
soon as someone gets us in their hands or ears
on song, you've got to say notice. So many people
to keep working and say no, it's rough. It's hard

(31:26):
to say no. Does that make sense? No, dude, this
is why this show goes to eleven. No, I get that.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
All right, let me do this, let me take a
quick break. We'll come back. I do want to run
through the dates. Though Boston Calling Music Festival made the
twenty third, we're giving away a trip to that July
twenty ninth at the nine thirty Club. August first Allion's
Amphitheater with the Head and the Heart. The Record Talker
is out now and available. Quick Break will come back
more with Will Dorado next.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
I'm gonna tell you good morning. Whil Doorado is with us.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Part of the Posta Calling Music Festival nine thirty Club
in July, Ali on Tampa Theater in August. All right,
so we're gonna play a little bit and then we'll
get into some other stuff. What are we what are
we gonna play?

Speaker 8 (32:15):
First?

Speaker 3 (32:15):
This is called hiring most. Whenever you are ready, sir, okay.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
Passing over the house and I'm back.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
It gets hot, stopping, feeding gets spent fun and dusting
falling is a fone founded At this time, i ache
gonna lie. I'm hanging on my notes on the walls
in the nighte of toeing no line.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
I'm just high heard most.

Speaker 11 (33:02):
I'm fine own seas is alone. If I follow her
on luck, I just passed sit along. I don't know.

Speaker 12 (33:18):
Yeah, I don't need you tell im.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Stuff on side of the road.

Speaker 11 (33:24):
If fine, ever, longe me I had hide modest.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
Looking up and it's looking alright.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
I'm looking for nothing and holding.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
It tie taking my love, and she's making it sound.
I'm call her up and she's calming me down, calm in.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
On line, eything, no stuff and so on and no time.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
I'm whold on no line.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
I'm just high moss. I'm fine on mon.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
Seeds and alone.

Speaker 13 (34:14):
If five found along, I just passed, sit alone.

Speaker 7 (34:21):
I don't want Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 13 (34:23):
Need you till I'm stuck on side of the roads.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
If fine, ever, longe, I higher mos.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Out.

Speaker 13 (34:51):
Yeah, I need je I'm stuck on side of the road.
If fine ever long?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Well, Dorado is with us?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay, I know we're gonna play I know we're gonna
play another one. But can I ask you something about
that song?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Real quick? Yeah? Did I forget the lyrics?

Speaker 8 (35:32):
The I don't think I don't yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
The year and a half it took to write that song, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Great question. Uh did you have a specific question about it?
It did take a long time to figure that one out.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Why did it take so long?

Speaker 5 (35:53):
Well, you know it was.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
I feel like that's a long time.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
No, yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
And I think also like you have let's call it
four sessions over a year and a half, not a
year and a half of trying to write that song.
I waking up thinking over it.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah. So as we were working with the producer in Norman, Oklahoma.
So over that year and a half, we probably worked
on the song for four days.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Oh okay, So it's not literally like who no, no, no,
I can't think of it. So I can't think of
a word that rhyme. There was some of that, you
know what happens a lot from Yeah, I'm eighteen months
into this thing and I just can't come up with
a word rhymes with it.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Lots of times we'll have, well, we'll make a demo
that I'll mumble the melody through and I'll accidentally say
very like traceable words and syllables and so, and we'll
kind of fall in love with listening to it, and
so I'll kind of get stuck with trying to make
lyrics out of a mumble track. Okay, which what would

(36:57):
this This song was a definite culprit.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Of would that just sound like like you playing a guitar?

Speaker 3 (37:03):
And then just it's crazy. I don't know if one
of y'all have that around, But the demo of this song,
it's this cool little version of this song and I
go as and no, I don't know, make get uh,
and then the lyrics are passing over the house. When
I'm back it gets hard as having at I carved

(37:25):
those lyrics out of those mumbles and then let and
then I left with making it makes sense to me, right,
I can pretend like it does to anybody else. And then,
uh yeah, so that did take a lot of work.
I'm not gonna lie. I spent a lot of time
alone trying to figure that out.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
All right, So let's remember that because I do want to.
I'm gonna come back to that in a second. But
what's all are we playing next?

Speaker 8 (37:46):
What do we playing?

Speaker 2 (37:46):
This?

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Surefire? So this is from a different record, This is
uh from our from what do you call it self? Release?
Self titled.

Speaker 14 (38:02):
Already Okay, I can feel it in the future. I

(38:28):
can see it in the colture.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
I see the moon as the sunrise.

Speaker 15 (38:35):
I see the stars with my morning eyes, like a
bear in the forest, like the heat in the conscient side.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Take a walk through the trees line. I'm getting on
with fi.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
Times.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
When you are begin.

Speaker 7 (39:06):
When you are oh man, man shot fire.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Setting sun I'm gonna say, I've been waiting for a
long time. I've been waiting in the sunshine, looking around.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
Like it's storm. I'm trying out like it hits stuff.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Mean, now, the watering on the front line, the Yellow
Soldier on the Dead Mine.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
Listen love Won't You Call Me? Is'ma sucker for some harm.

Speaker 7 (39:57):
Man oh Man.

Speaker 12 (40:03):
Show Fairy said his song say.

Speaker 7 (40:10):
Me oh Man Man shot Famio.

Speaker 12 (40:21):
Said his son, what's.

Speaker 7 (40:23):
Called bad me?

Speaker 16 (40:47):
We are begin when all begin to lab begin, when

(41:08):
lady begin to.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
Man Man.

Speaker 12 (41:20):
Shot Fallon saidie song or say.

Speaker 7 (41:26):
Means oh Man? Man Shot Fallon.

Speaker 12 (41:38):
Said his son was called.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Will Dorado is with us?

Speaker 5 (42:11):
All right, So I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I'm glad we played something new and then we we
we we played something I don't want to call it old,
but from from previously, so the current record talker. Yes,
I read you wanted to be very very very very
specific that it didn't sound like it was just the
B sides.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Of what you had done previously. Did we accomplish that
I did?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Personally? I mean I feel I feel like I feel yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
So you're you're I don't want to say pleased. Obviously
you wouldn't put it out if you weren't pleased with it.
But in terms of what the goal was when you
went in, it was, it's different. It's I mean, it's
still obviously you guys, I get that, but it didn't
it didn't just you didn't just want it to be
a continuation of here we go or here was some
stuff that we had written and let's just make sure

(42:58):
we push it on, push it on here.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I mean just yes. The answer to that question is yes.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
When when are you allowed to circle back though? So
that the not not the same songs? But where if so?
If the one after Talker, you don't want it to
sound like a B sides record for Talker, and then
whatever that one is, you don't want it to sound
like the B sides.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
At some point we find a circle, though, don't.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
You start running out of the side. I mean, yeah,
I'm I'm already kind of like, let's get back into
some rockers. Like I think it sounds so lame, but
you know, we like to play loud guitars our shows.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
There's a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
There's you know, high energy, right. Sure, we weren't listening
to high energy tunes going into that record. I think
we spent a lot. There's a lot of high energy
on will Dorado LP the Dorado LP. And I got
exhausted from that, and I think our ears got exhausted
from it, and I got really exhausted singing a lot

(43:57):
of it, and I thought it would be cool to
just approach my vocal differently. What would it be like
if it was much closer and a lot less velocity
on it? Right, which is through this whole record, which
I thought, I'm really happy with how that turned out.
It took a lot of work and to you know,
have a totally different approach. But now, to answer your question,

(44:18):
I think it's personally as an artist and creative, I
kind of feel like anything's game now. We didn't do
the same thing twice, and I think mostly it was
about the songs though. It's like, I think we're just
so fresh off of playing those songs so much, and
we had leftover songs. We always have leftover songs, and
so the tendency is to write those out and use them.
But I think they kind of started showing themselves as

(44:41):
being more b sided to what we were working on.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Before, right leftover for a reason, where they're not bad,
but they're just left over.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
To become that way. You're exactly right, yes.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
So if so higher than most took. Like you said,
it took a year and a half, even though it
was really only four sessions. I was reading about the
song sometimes, Oh, Yeah, that song took over a year.
Now again you're gonna tell me it was a different
writing sessions, but it's still it took.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
It took a decent amount of time.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, And a lot of that was it was a
real lyrical puzzle for me because you know, it's not
a song about getting high. It's a song about running.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Away, right. And the first the first line of the song.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Is sometimes I hide it when I'm high, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
And when you hear it, you go, I do that too,
but it has nothing to do with with actually being high.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Yeah, I mean it. You know, that was a very
specific and honest thing to say for me.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
But then but then, I I think it caused me
to just go much further down the path of like
why do you do that? And what does that mean?
Do we hide things we're proud of? Usually not?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (45:52):
And I'm not trying to make a statement. Never am
trying to make a statement, tell you the truth, that's
one of my critical I mean, I don't feel like
that's my job to make statements. It's more so for
me to like look through what I'm thinking. But I
wasn't trying to make a statement on on marijuana. I
was trying to make a statement on the fact that
for me personally, I tend to run away from things.
I don't want to have to approach with it.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
And so it was it was delicate because it's in
three stands. Is the second stanzas is that talking about
not wanting to run or how I'm running away sometimes
I run away from you?

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (46:29):
And then I wanted the third stanza to be kind
of what my heart wants, which is to be home
and to be with my lover and my family. But
that's a hard thing to do these these days, which
specifically is is say I want to be home with
my lover and my family.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Or like because it makes you, it makes you look weak,
like like Max is a big pussy, he does the
road straight up.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
No, No, because because writing about love is really hard
to do. It's like it's just what everyone's always written about.
It's really hard to find a fresh way of saying
I just want to be home, you know what I mean?
And especially like a very marching band sort of way,
like it waving the banner of I want to be

(47:15):
I don't know, maybe I'm not making sense articulating myself well,
but essentially it's like it took a long time to
find out how to say that without feeling redundant or silly.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
I guess when you were talking about the record, Max,
there was something that you said that I wrote down.
It said I felt pressure to say something on this
record to be elegant and evolved. It wasn't until I
accepted the fact that the only thing I'll ever be
is myself and I started writing I am never going
to be the writers.

Speaker 8 (47:40):
I look up to.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, so there it was, and I was stuck trying
to do what I just said until I finally just
stopped and addutally pretty raw.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
That's a raw statement to make, though.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Yeah, you know a lot of it is though. It's
scary to do. And I think that's kind of why
some of this has worked out, just because dud did
I not say to you guys several times, I'm I'm
sure I want to put this record on. I was
afraid for my family to hear it, you know what
I mean. It's like I didn't want I've got little
cousins and little kids. I don't want them all thinking

(48:13):
I'm some washed out stoner all the time, right. I
want my parents and my siblings to feel comfortable. Even
their kids luned me my own dad and wife what
I'm saying. So it's a very delicate thing.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I have known you for an hour and five minutes. No,
you could take my kids. I would be so comfortable.
Just please take it all right? So you have you have,
you have, you have higher than most sometimes and those
are very those are very like you said, very honest,
very wrong moments. Now let's talk about the song after all.

(48:49):
Oh six nice you wrote it sitting on a toilet
in one day.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah, well the demo is on me sitting on it.
I hummed out that whole entire tune on the toilet, Yeah,
in one sitting.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah yeah, just done. By the way, the acoustics must
have been phenomenal.

Speaker 8 (49:06):
It's all this making me think, just all these your
guys being really incredible things. And I don't ever get
we don't often get to hear Max just like say
all this stuff. But I feel very for anyone listening.
It's like, I feel grateful to have someone who does
take the time. You know what we are going to
say and what we we can write. We can go

(49:27):
in a studio and write cool ideas and vibes if
you will, all day long. But putting words and melodies
to it, that's the challenging part. And he takes max takes,
he takes time. Sometimes we'll ride on a toilet, but
you know, like sometimes and higher than most specifically, I
remember you were challenged with, like how do I make
the ending makes sense? How do I bring it home?

(49:48):
And that took a little bit of time. It was like,
I'm so glad you took the time to figure it out,
because it's that's sweet, it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
It's like, it's dude, it is. It is such a
burden to bear. I mean, it's like you're gonna put
people all over putting this in their ears. What are
you gonna say to them?

Speaker 7 (50:07):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (50:07):
It's like nothing ruins a good song. Yeah, and then
it's a really delicate power that like I take really
seriously because I.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Know clearly, but I love that though. I love that,
like because you care. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Nothing wrong with that. Like that part's fine.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
I just care so much. I truly do, and and
so do they. And I think, like that's what's fun
about it is we care about Uh, we just care
about this a lot.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Is there is there a song on the record that
when like, as as the record's been out now and
you get to play it, you get to you get
to perform it. Is there is there a song on
the record that keeps coming back where people are like,
and I mean, you know how it is not that
they're saying everything else sucks, but it's like this one
keeps jumping out, or this one keeps jumping out the

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talker talk.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
I mean, that's maybe what we should play if you
guys are totally.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Is it really that's the one that keeps jumping out?
I think it's I went with bad luck.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Oh man, well, I wish so that that tune. I
think I love that song me too. I can't believe
it hasn't done better, to tell you the truth. Yeah,
I know no one plays radio sucks, but that that
song is just such a vibe.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Oh I love that song.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I mean we kind of once we made that up,
we kind of looked at each other and we're like,
this is the coolest thing we'll probably ever make, so
don't mess it up. And we'd spend a lot of
time on messing it up.

Speaker 8 (51:37):
Yeah, we work with the producer that we think very
very highly of, and he has his hands and almost
everything we do. And he was even like, don't mess
this one up.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
That riff just rules.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Oh my god, it's the song is so good. The
song is great.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Thanks now the the.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Max and this will fall right in with everything else
you said. You're a very meticulous guy when it comes
to the sequencing of a record. Does it bother you
if people don't listen to it in order? No?

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Nothing, really, I mean, do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Right, but you were very particular in how it got
laid out.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
What matters is if it bothers me. And I'll tell
you what. A song is defined by the one it follows.
So it's like whether you like it or not, like
you are in a state of mind when you listen
to a piece of music.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Do you think that I would have liked bad luck
less if it followed a different sequence on the.

Speaker 8 (52:33):
Record, where I was just about to say, well, sorry,
I don't think so. I think you would like that regardless,
But I was thinking back to after all, so, I
think that's collectively one of our favorite songs on the album,
just because it's so unique, and I don't feel like
it's getting much attention because it is on the back
half of an album, and that's just not how people
really listen.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, no, you're exactly right.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
It's a good question, though, I think, you know, bad
Luck kind a couple options where it would have worked
after I think, I think to us, it felt it
felt moving to me to start this record by saying
I'm not much of a talker and I don't know
what to say to you, because that is literally how
I felt, and it is a very delicate, open, kind

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of naked tune, and then to instantly follow it with
just an absolute piece of vibe. It just felt really cool.
It just felt like I don't know what to say
to you. Here's this tender little song. But like, also,
we love to write these rock and roll viby tunes,
and don't worry that's on this record too.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Are you a pain in the ass of putting together
a set list for a concert?

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Probably? I think I'm more of a probably more for himself. Yeah, yeah,
we're just.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
What we're doing.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Maybe more of a skeptic than a pain.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I feel like Tyler and Justin are really good at like, well,
let Max do what he's gonna do.

Speaker 8 (53:57):
But he's also really good about like I want to
make sure we do what the guys want to do too.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Oh.

Speaker 8 (54:03):
Sure, it's a good it's.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
A whirlpool of an event sometimes making decisions and moving along.

Speaker 8 (54:10):
None of us like to make decisions. Yeah, it's not
a strong suit, all right.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
A couple of other things, and I know you've been
asked this a million times. Is the Twisters being in
Twisters and having a song on the on the soundtrack?
Is that still pretty freaking cool?

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Of course, Yeah, Yeah, I feel like that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
I was sat next to the lady last night who
Uh we've we talked for two I'm sure you guys
are surprised by this. We talked for two and a
half hours from Tulsa to Washington, d C. She's older
than me, she's I think she says she is sixty five. Uh,
but boy, did we get into it?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Did you really?

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Oh? Yeah, I've talked about a lot, which if you're listening,
she said, you might find hate hate Lee. I loved
our chat.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
She at one point started talking about tornadoes and Tulsa
and so I just like I couldn't I couldn't help,
but ask her you've seen any of the films. She said, yeah,
she's seen them both.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Oh well, he recognized his guitar, but he is the
I don't.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
I mean, I know that obviously they're the song is
in there, and I know that that that there's a
brief you're in there.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I don't know how did how did that end up
coming to be I have no idea how that turned
out to be.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
James McAllister is his name. He's he's worked with us
on almost all everything we've ever done, and he's a
producer in Los Angeles. Mostly he's a drummer and a musician.
He's just amazing. But he he was friends with the director,
and I think that they wanted a cover of that song,
and I got brought up as doing the vocal, and

(55:56):
then that's just kind of what we did, and and
then it turning into us being in the film. I'm
not sure the director is a fan Lee Isaac in
a He just I think he just thought it'd be
cool and just so it just to developed that way.
And then they wanted a female and so I've always
been a huge fan of Ken Pomeroy but had never
met her, and so I pitched her and they of

(56:20):
course loved her vocal as well. Uh, and then for
some reason we said yes to being in the film.
I don't know if any of us really had any
idea what was going on though until we got to set,
right because it was, you know, one hundred and fifty
people on set. I thought it would be like a
music video. Maybe we're gonna be b roll capture for something.
They figured out how to sneak into the film, but

(56:42):
they were like taking light off my nose. Oh yeah,
And we played that song for twelve hours straight up
on a park bench. But the thing I'm most proud
of is they took the audio from that day. It's
not our recorded audio that they used. The movie itself
is actually us playing that live, which is pretty sick.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Oh that's cool.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah, that's pretty cool. Hey, can we go back to
music videos for one second. The music video for Higher
the Most Who is Luther Park? Heck?

Speaker 7 (57:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (57:14):
Would you tell us?

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Some people thought they that they knew him from films?
I mean there was like some comments on YouTube is like,
is that Luther Park? Did y'all catch any of that?

Speaker 8 (57:22):
I saw that, But no, he's only done like a
local commercial and I moved into Tulsen. One of the
reasons I love it is because the neighborhood I live
in is just surrounded by incredible people. And my neighbor
across the street is Seth Park is one of the
most interesting people I know. He's my age and I
met his dad and we were just he's a renaissance man.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 8 (57:46):
They're both what do you call him? What do you
call him? On the oil field?

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Rough next?

Speaker 8 (57:50):
Yeah, I mean they're like, oh wildcats, wildcatters. They're like
true oil out working on the the rigs, Like every day.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Bob thrown property that they expected minerals to be on,
built their own pumps and now they're pumping oil.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
All on the Are they really.

Speaker 7 (58:10):
Very very you know?

Speaker 8 (58:12):
I saw I met his dad once. This guy's gotta
be in something we do, and so we were he
was he was explaining the character and I asked, Seth's
your dad act? It's like, well, what do you need?
The way he responsib.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Can he sit on a motel bed and just kind
of stare.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
He was perfect.

Speaker 8 (58:32):
You know, you're bringing the people that you're like, I
don't know if this guy knows what he's doing. And
he was absolutely perfect and he was kind of sick
that day and you can see it in the film.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
I mean it was he was awesome.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, Oh he's great. I went to IMDb and I
was like, how do I not know this guy? Was like,
but I am dB doesn't know who he is either
a way to.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Tell him there though, is Erica Snyder who directed that.
I mean, she and I toiled over that video. Over
the video. We had the smallest amount of time to
pull that out, and it's so classic. It's it's like
the record's coming out in September twentieth and it's like, hey,
we want a music video and it's like, okay, it's sick,
and they're like, and we need it by next week. Yeah,

(59:15):
next week is how it always feels. And so we
had just come off the road with Erica. She was
shooting with us on tour and we all just got
really close to her and she was into trying to
pull an id together and we ended up falling in
love with this idea of like what if we had
a video that didn't even finish the song and we
just thought we just thought that was so awesome, and

(59:37):
of course no one else.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Does it fades away, and I keep thinking like, okay,
so he's gonna sit on the bed like.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
The song's coming back at some point.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Dude, Well it was cool.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
It was like YouTube really screwed you guys. They didn't
put the end of it on there.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
I know, I still love it. I mean, it's like,
it's so cool to me. But yeah, we just thought like,
well we wanted it to be cool. It's like, if
that's kind of what the songs. I was like, you can,
You're gonna end up that way unless you figure out
how out of pull it together. And so the idea
of like everything leaving and just having to sit with
that fellow alone on a bed, Eric and I literally

(01:00:13):
got off over it, like this is so fresh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
And then somehow the label was like, yeah, fine, whatever,
do whatever you want. Yeah, but I will tell you
that I love the I love the music. The music
is great. The you guys are all very very nice guys.
But I will tell you the coolest thing will Dorado
does is on your merch page.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
You guys sell lighters. Yeah, I'll come get it at
the nine thirty club.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Man, Will you please come to that show? We would
love it if you bring a lighter.

Speaker 7 (01:00:47):
I will come.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I definitely will do that, all right, lighters, it will
be and then I'll come to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
That'll be awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
All right, what what's what's long?

Speaker 8 (01:00:55):
Are we going?

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Let's do talker? Okay? Yeah? Cool?

Speaker 8 (01:00:59):
Are you cool with that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I don't care what you do?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Oh you were asking Max, never.

Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
Mind asking so many good questions about the album.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Man, Yeah, let's keep talking. We're here. You got anything
else you want to say before we get into this?
What were you going to say about after all? Actually?
Or you just saw that little TABI that tidbit that
wrote that that you wrote it on the toilet?

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Oh man, well yeah, I just have you gone back
to the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Bull to write again?

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
The bull?

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Have I back to the bull? I don't think so.

Speaker 8 (01:01:31):
You know you should put you should put like a
little easel or something like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
All right, give me one more song?

Speaker 7 (01:01:43):
Yeah, a little plague.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
I ain't much of a talk or oh but I
get by.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
I smoke my wady better man, yeaty old. When I
get high, come on over, step on in. If I
don't know you, darling butter, you could use steady frames.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
I wrote these words down there and uh strew them away?
But why would I keep you here?

Speaker 17 (01:02:51):
Fine, God, nothing to say. That's my problem, my no,
my misteake. But let's get over there and get on
back and floating away.

Speaker 9 (01:03:37):
I often wonder what I'm in and what I do,
so I'm not sure I would have said he.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
And that's all. That's all.

Speaker 17 (01:03:55):
I'm not sure if I would and say.

Speaker 7 (01:04:04):
And that's A that's A.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
I'm not sure I would have say.

Speaker 7 (01:04:18):
That's a.

Speaker 12 (01:04:22):
That's A.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
I'm not sure I would have said.

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
I wrote these words down then.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Soon Away.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Talker is out in available now May twenty third, Boston
Calling Music Festival, July twenty ninth, nine thirty Club, August first,
Alion z Amphitheater with the Head and the Heart, wil Doorado,
Matt Tyler justin.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Thank you guys so much for coming in.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
I hope you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
I was shocked to find out you guys flew in
yesterday and you're going home later. You literally came in
to do that. Totally freaked me out, but that was awesome.
Thank you guys very very much for coming in. Quick Break,
It's Elliott in the morning.