Reel Animals Fishing Show Saturday 09-13-25

Reel Animals Fishing Show - Saturday September 13 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to About bartow Ford Real Animals Radio show, your
weekly voyage into Florida Fishing, presented by Hubbard's Marina, hosted
by Captain Mike Anderson and Captain Dylan Hubbard.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good morning, Tampa Bay. Captain Dylan Hubbard here for the
bartow Ford Real Animals Radio Show, talking fishing this morning,
on this beautiful Saturday morning with my good buddy Captain
Steve Pappen from Fantastic Fishing Charters, Captain Charlie Howe from
EBB and Flow Charters, and enjoying another beautiful day inside

(00:37):
beautiful Tampa Bay on this quarter moon weekend. It is
a little bit of a slower moving tide this weekend.
We're coming into a good bout. We're in the middle
of a good bout of bad weather, moderate to severe
bad weather depending on where you're fishing, I should say offshore.
It's been real challenging. The guys in the bay and

(00:59):
around the land based side of things have been faring
better with the weather. We're on the tail end of
our gag grouper season and this weekend, really through a
majority of this coming work week into the coming weekend,
we still have that moderate wind and pretty funky atmosphere.
We've been in this trend almost all summer of these

(01:22):
tropical systems, these depressions kind of forming on top of us,
and it's weird. It's been a weird start to our
tropical season, as most no hurricane season jumps off June first.
We haven't had any real big threats to our area,
which has been nice, but the changes we have, all
these systems that keep trying to develop on top of us,

(01:43):
and that's kind of rare. I mean, most of the
time during a tropical season that might happen one, two,
three times. I feel like it's happened at least a
half dozen times since June first to us. I mean,
we lost July fourth weekend to a tropical depression forming
on top of us the beginning of June, which is
pretty common. We always get something in the beginning of June.

(02:04):
And it's just been a weird run. And this gag season,
it seems like almost the whole season we've had something
trying to develop on top of us.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
There is a gag season. You didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, Yeah, it's pretty crazy. It's been it's been a
while run for sure, weather wise, this week looks much
the same. You're gonna have to check the weather every
day because the forecast is essentially useless, and unfortunately it's
it's no one's fault. It's really difficult to kind of
forecast what's going on with these things as these frontal

(02:36):
boundaries and this depression kind of just stalled on top
of us dump and rain. So it really depends on
where those storms are as to what the weather will
actually do. But if you look at the buoys, there's
these booies out in the Gulf and they show the
historical data, it's pretty interesting to watch the disparagy between

(02:56):
the forecast and what's actually happened. And when I say interesting,
I mean infuriating because for US offshore fishermen who are
trying to get out there to deep water. I mean,
for example, on the morning of the ninth and tenth,
it was almost more than double what was forecasted. They
were calling for what two foot seas and it was

(03:20):
almost five foot seas there on the on the tenth
and twelve, it was It's been a really crazy run
of just totally different weather than what's been forecasted.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, it's been brutal. If you if you were watching,
like a lot of the apps, you can switch through
the different forecast models, the icon was like dead on.
It was just like it was just blowing for days
and days and days on it. And then if you
looked at the GFS model, it was completely opposite, and

(03:53):
it was to say, showy, are's gonna be ten knots
or less or whatever. It was gonna beautiful. But we
kind of sad, We kind of learned our lesson, and
after about the fourth butt whipping in a row, we
tend to side with the icon.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, And it's one of those things, at least for me.
I always look at the different forecasts and when they
don't agree, it's a really good sign that they don't
know what's gonna happen. Yeah, And it's not a good
sign for us when when you switch through the different
forecasts and they all agree, all right, we have a
pretty solid idea of what's going to happen. Generally, the
forecast is pretty close to what actually happens when all

(04:31):
the forecasts are in agreement. When the forecasts are not
in agreement, that's when you have to kind of throw
a red flag and be like, I don't know what's
gonna happen today.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
We got a couple of new booies out there, those
tsunami test boots that they have out there. There's one
twenty miles and there's another one out by the elbow,
and both of those are online. Yeah, and that you
can look at. The comp's website has them, and you
can look at the updates. I just looked at the
twenty mile baby just a little bit ago with seventeen

(04:59):
gus twenty one.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, you're gonna have to show me that and it'll
give you.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
That twenty mile forecast. It updates every hour, just like
the other ones do.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
The booys are a little bit behind too. The CPID
and the Noah Booies seemingly are generally between three to
four hours behind.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
This one's every hour, every hour updates.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, they're doing a good job. They just put those
out there not too long ago.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah. I mean, we are blessed in Tampa Bay because
we are home to the home office of the Southeast
Regional Office of Noah. We're home to the office the FWRI,
the Florida Wildlife Research Institute, which is a science branch
for FWC. And then we have this huge innovation district
downtown Saint Pete and they house like an incredible amount

(05:46):
of oceanic and atmospheric study groups and like these contractor groups,
and a lot of the contracted science that happens in
the Gulf and really across most of our oceans happens
right here in Saint Pete. It's crazy. I forget the number,
but it's in the bees. The billions that's funneled through
there for scientific research. Like all those little red drone

(06:09):
ships that were cruising around those were all launched out
of Bearboro Harbor. Yeah, out of that innovation district.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
So there's a bunch more than that too. Hickman does.
He's got some stuff going with us F. Yeah, and
they've got gliders that they put out.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
The little surfboards.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, they're crazy, but they go under water, Yeah, and
they're just gone. They're just they disappear and then they
come popping up somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
They're doing Thermalklin research, I believe.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
I think it's got something to do with currents and
stuff like that. Yeah, they're doing a lot of different research,
but they'll put those things out and they may have
one that malfunctions and Chad's like, yeah, I gotta go
get one, and it's you know, eighty miles off shore.
He's got to go jump in the boat and they
gotta drive all the way out there and pick this
thing up and bring in the boat.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Crazy put in a new one, and then they throw that.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
One in the water and it takes off and receives
it for you know, a month or whatever, and then yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's nuts.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, because I believe a lot of the research that
is going on now is they know a lot about
surface currents, and they know a little bit about bottom currents,
but those different levels in the water column can have
different traversing currents. And so they do these CMP troll
surveys of these A zero and age one fish, these
little larval stage fish. But the big question is, all right,

(07:25):
if you have a big recruitment event, like you have
a large biomass of adult snapper, for example, red snapper
in a certain area and they spawn out, that's those
spawn are just microscopic little baby fish, right, And so
they're deposited in the current, and then where do those
fish end up? Where do those fish recruit?

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Two?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
And so they do these current studies to try to
estimate where that population lands. It's really interesting stuff. So
they the more they know about the water column and
the different currents in that water column and the thermal
line and stuff like that, they'll be able to better
estimate where those fish deposit and also and all the
other things that they want to know. Moves around. But

(08:03):
I mean, we care about the fish, right, It's pretty cool.
It's pretty cool. There's this, uh, there's a woman Mandy.
I'm gonna butcher he last name, I'm not, I don't know. Yes,
she was at the Marine Recreational Education program. She did
that oceanic studies thing, and she does a couple of
slides on on just that fish spawn cycles and where

(08:26):
those eggs go. It's so interesting. What happens in the
western golf can affect the Eastern golf, and what happens
in the Caribbean can affect the golf.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
It's stuff is just like it blows your mind. But
and it's hard. It's hard to swallow it. And I'm
not like all the way, you know what I mean,
because I think about it like this. They say the gags,
you know, they'll spawn out there and then the eggs
will get washed with the current back into the bays
and stuff like that. Right, well, why don't we ever

(08:55):
read snapper back in the bay, Like what happens to
their eggs?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
How come their.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Eggs don't get washed back in the bay.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
You know, it's something about the larval stage and how
quick they drop and where they recruit to because those
little babies, those little microscopic things have have I guess
instincts or wherever you want to say, to deposit in
different areas. It's it's pretty interesting, but I see your
point and I agree thinking about it because there's some
fish like mangrove snapper gags that recruit into the back bays,

(09:24):
where things like red snapper or tilefish for example, only
stay out there in the mud, mud and two hundred
plus foot of water.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
Right, That's probably what it is, too, is the depth
of the water that they release. And you know it
takes it one way or this way.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
You know, do you start you start thinking about it.
It's like, for example, snook snook go out in the
beach during the summer and then go into the back
bay in the winter. Like what causes this silly fish
that has a brain the size of a pee to
know what time of year it is, right.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Well, the other thing that really solidified it for me
is the gag spawn and they're the the aggregate spawner,
and so they're time of year, you know, and then
their their eggs go flushing back into the batt mm
hm red group being badge spawn and they spawned the

(10:12):
same time of the year, but their eggs don't go
back in.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
The bad Yeah. I think I think a lot of
it too, is the science. We think we know what's
going on with the science, but all the time, almost
every stock assessment, there's some big revolution like oh, we
thought it this way historically, but now it's actually like
this we found out. And I feel like that's happening
with almost every species and gags, for example. They're just

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now starting to spend a lot of money on gags
in the last five years since the the overfishing and
underfish or undergoing overfishing and overfish designation. And while that's
super annoying, it's also positive in the fact that when
that happens, all of a sudden, a bunch of funding
is released to study that species. And one thing you
mentioned is they've always thought gags where aggregate spawned, that

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get together in big groups and only spawn certain times
in certain areas. But they're what some people are claiming
is they're more like batch spawners and they can do
spawns more frequently, maybe even outside of their historical spawning season.
So I don't know.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
That's when you get two weeks interesting.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Because they're still trying to figure it out one day
ahead of time. But long story short, getting back to
the weather, it is definitely a little bit more moderate
and chance for rain is still pretty high. It might
dry out a little bit for us over the next
couple of days. We've got a little bit of a
north wind sliding through for the next four days, so
should get a little less humid, but we still have

(11:38):
that chance for rain still hanging around. As these atmospheric
conditions are unstable, barometers moving a lot. We're on a
quarter moon coming into a new moon here next weekend
end of next weekend Sunday, so tides should get better
as we move through the week, and hopefully the weather
will get better as we move into later weekend. We

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see in the forecast as sliver of some some nice
weather coming up, and just keeping our fingers and toes cross,
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talking fishing this morning on news Radio nine seven EWFLA.
Hopefully here from you as well. Remember one eight hundred

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and nine six nine nine three five two is the
phone number if you want to join the conversation. I
want to give a shout out to our friends over
there at Friendly Fishermen's Seafood Restaurant inside Fish Famous John's Pass.
If you haven't stopped by the Friendly Fishermen's Seafood Restaurant
anytime recently, you're missing out. The ownership has changed back
over the Hubbard family. Hubbard's Marina has taken back over,

(13:27):
and it's a lot of fun over there.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I am not personally involved in the restaurant, but I
sure do eat there a lot. And uh, they've got
some really good deals, some really incredible seafood purveyors, so
some fresh seafood, local stuff. They've got the best fish
spread around. They've got a now a bacon wrap scallop
dish that's insane. They've got a Kobea special run in
this month. You can get eight ounce section of Kobea

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or you can get the Kobea tacos, and they do
tacos in such a way where they've got a mango
chutney on top of it. And I don't know exactly
what a chutney is, but all I know is it's
really yummy. You can throw a chutney on whatever you
want and I'll eat it because.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
Shut me like a fancy word for salsa.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that's all it is. Again,
not my area of expertise, but it is pretty legit.
Last month they had a yellowtail special and it was
that same taco with a mango chutney, and man, it
was fire and Kobea. I love some Kobea, so it's
cool to see Kobe on the menu. And the tacos

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are only fifteen ninety nine and it comes with a side.
The eight ounce entree. The Kobe entres twenty one to
ninety nine. They also have what's called a Captain's platter
over there, and man, that's my favorite. They got shrimp,
scallops and some group are on there, and you get
the wild rice and vegetable medley and all the sides
to go with. It's pretty pretty awesome. Plus they got
a waterfront deck, air conditioned dining room. They do cook

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your catch, so you can go fishing with Steve or
anybody and come back and have your fish cooked up
fresh there. They do broil black and regular fight and
Cajun fried as well. So some really good options for
you over there at the Friendly Fisherman Seafood Restaurant. Stop
by today and check them out. Friendlyfishermen dot Com is
a website and they are open from eleven am to

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eight pm this time of year. So we've got cat
Mike Perry on the line from Big Pine Key. What's
going on, Cat Mike? How are you, buddy?

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Morning guys, How y'all doing this morning?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Doing well? Buddy? Another day in Paradise.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Well, well, I'm in the actually in the car. I'm
added to Key West. I had the boat down there
for a few days. I had some people wanted to
explore out near the Marquesses, which nice is wonderful because
I don't get out to that area very often. But
I have a lot of spots out there, and the
best part about the Marquesses is you can have you

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can have days if you had the type of boat,
you can have great inshore days and off shore days
all in the same day. It's it's quite a dichotomy
of fishing out there.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, it's the Keys in general are like that, buddy.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:09):
Oh, I know. I've explored a lot of them and
I still find things that are pretty interesting. But the
last couple of days we've been out there trying to
battle some of the rain and stuff. But the snapper
fish is good. We got into a real good, real

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good bite of mutton snapper on out in that area,
which was nice. I was reaching for the marking spots
for the machine for down the road and making sure
I knew the dates and tides and everything so I
can match them up down the road. And the yellow
tail and has been very, very good, some big, big

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yellow tails.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Question for you on the yellow tail front. Are you
generally seeing more quantity of yellow tails in the warmer
months and then it dies down in the cooler months?
Is it spring and fall?

Speaker 7 (17:04):
We see we see him well, we see him year around,
but the quantity is the summertime. The quality is now
in the fall. Over the last couple of weeks, I've
seen anywhere from four to six and we had, like
I told you that, one lady laying a seven point
one pounder and wow, it's just been real good and

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getting out there. I told the people, you know, it
is technically in the Gulf and the gag season's open,
and we did end up catching four nice gags.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, that's awesome. We have seen some incredible yellowtail fishing recently.
Our last thirty nine hour had probably some of the
best yellow tail fishing catching possible. They only fished eight spots.
I mean, just didn't have to move the boat. Just
incredible numbers of yellow tails and they just kept coming.
It was insane, insane coming.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
Saw saw that video you did?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, pretty well, massive mountains. It's are you seeing them too?

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Crazy?

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Ye oh yeah, I love it? Oh sorry, crazy yellowtail action.
Well what else you got for us? We're up against
the break here, Captain Mike.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
Oh, sorry about that. Uh no, not much, not much
looking forward, Like I said, uh, the humidities down down here.
I know you guys are really having a nice gonna
have a nice day or two up there, but the
humidities down. And next weekend I'll be up your way
for the CCA. I'll release Hillsboro County Tournament fishing with
my buddy's up there. So looking forward to making a

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trip and putting the boat on the trailer for a
few days and getting away from here and getting back
up and seeing some family and having some fun up
there there.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
It is, well, good luck, my friend. We'll see up
here next weekend.

Speaker 7 (18:53):
Sure, well, you guys have a great day. God bless
tightline from the Florida Keys, Keep.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Fishing, Take you, sir, see you buddy. Always a pleasure
to hear from our good friend Cat Mike. Yeah, like
you said, mutton and yellowtail both firing and the keys
and off our coast. It's wild.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Hell, that's a stud.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, that's a monster yellowtail. Looking forward to hopefully get
one of those ourselves as we get into that time
of year. For sure. Real Animals Radio will be right back.
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especially this time of year you want to make sure
you got a good roof on. Hopefully we don't have
anything to test our roofs, but we sure are getting
enough rain. It's crazy. So as far as fishing goes,
like I mentioned, we're at the tail end of our
gag grouper season and red snapper season, but still plenty
of fish to be had. A lot of people are

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talking about like what happens now once red group or
red snapper and gags close, what are you going to
fish for? It's like you named only two species that
are closing. There's a litany of other species that are
still open for the remainder of the year. So something
I struggle with. Are you getting that too, Steve.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
A little bit?

Speaker 8 (20:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:58):
I mean you know, you just got to kind of
educate them. I mean there's like you said, I mean,
there's so many different things that you can go do
that these are just species that we concentrate on for
certain times. Of the year because you know Red Snapper
when it first started, it was only open for a week. Yeah,
you know, and then everybody it became you know, you

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had to go do it really important. And then as
the season length has grown, you know, the demand for
it is still there, so everybody wants to go out
and get theirs.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
And then when you mix GAG.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
And everything all together in one shot and you tell
them you know, you have two weeks to go do it,
you know.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
The world wants to go. Everybody.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Everybody will set up trips, you know, a year in advance,
Like you can't imagine what Gag season next year. If
they have the same time period of September first opening
when and everything opens, then it's going to be you know,
people are going to book two years in advance just
to make sure that they get one of those days.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, I know. I know for a fact it'll be
September first next year because they haven't they haven't put
into affect any conversation about changing it. So Gags will
open September first next year, and it should hopefully if
there's not an overage, which one positive thing exactly before
before you start freaking out, Steve one positive thing about

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this bad weather is there won't be an overage. Right,
There's no way that there could be an overage. So
the one benefit to the bad weather is that should
hopefully make sure we realize that higher allocation next year
and thus a longer season. And on top of that,
you have the interim analysis that's coming. You sit on

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the refish ap with me at our next refishap meeting,
we're supposed to be seeing the data from that interim analysis,
and if it's as good as I think it should be,
and hopefully the science is catching up to what we're
seeing on the water, that could potentially help us to
have a higher catch level for gags next year too.
So you have two things that pretty much almost guarantee

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a higher catch level next year, a higher quota, longer season,
and red snapper. I don't see how our charter fleet
filled that quota, because everybody I talked to from around
the golf really had a soft August once kids went
back to school, pretty much died out for a lot
of the golf. Our area of the golf central and

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Southwest Florida, we still have a lot of drive traffic
and drive market, and we stayed pretty busy through the
end of red snapper season, especially when gags reopened, but
places like Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, those charter boats were
not busy at all since kids went back to school
and they didn't have the grouper season push that we did,
So I would imagine our red snapper season next year

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should overlap with gags. The only problem is amberjack. I
don't think amberjack will be open next year. It wasn't
supposed to be open this year, and we're currently enjoying
an amberjack season that's not supposed to be happening.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
If any of the counters are listening. We have taken
zero amberjack so far.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Zero.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, our area is not catching the amberjack. But apparently
up in the Northern Gulf and Western golf Is where
they're amberjack or frothing.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
We haven't even fished for them. Yeah, it hasn't even
been part of the trips.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Too much other stuff going on, and.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Nobody asked, nobody wanted them. They they just want their
gags and their red snappers.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
What about you, Charlie, I mean inshore side of things.
We're approaching that red fish peak season and uh, I
mean where you're fishing for listeners evan flow charters. You're
out of gandy. Uh, so you're not fishing out on
the beach too much. So are you still finding some snook?

Speaker 6 (24:43):
Snook in my part of the bay has been kind
of a bad situation. Yeah, they're around, but it's yeah,
just the numbers have gone after that red tide. I
don't think they've rebounded the way they should. I think
there's a lot of other stuff that's happened with the
building of the bridge, and there's a lot of stuff.
I think the fish kind of like scattered out. But

(25:04):
we're still catching them, just not in the numbers we
used to.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Is that normal for this time of year though, because
I mean in my area at least all the snoker
on the beach and in.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
The past, no, I mean it normally. I mean we
used to have spots we could go and catch, you know,
twenty thirty forty fish on any given four hour trip. Nice,
and that just doesn't really happen too much anymore. I
mean we're starting to see smaller fish, which is good.
So you know, a few years down the road, will
you know, get better and then once winter comes around,
you know, they'll get more concentrated in the back country,

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so a little bit easier. But redfish has been awesome.
Yesterday we got a good one. I came up on
a flat that I was anticipating catching trout and snook,
and I saw it looked like a school of fish,
and I haven't seen a school of redfish on this
flat and a decade. Oh wow, I mean, it'd been

(25:54):
a long time. And I just kind of kept paying
attention and it couldn't really tell if it was a
school or not, but it was like, well, let's just
fish it. And we ended up catching a twenty seven
and a half eight pound red wow. And then after
that the water kind of disturbance went away, so it
must have been a school, which was pretty neat.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
And this is that time of year where we see
more school in red yes, right, yep. September into October
and almost into November, and then they kind of disappear
and either spawning.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Thing yep, and I think that they kind of It's
that time of year inside of the middle Tampa Bay
where if you do see a school red fish, you're
also get to see fifty boats, you know, and those
fish get hammered unfortunately. But it's just the nature of.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
How it is.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
What are you throwing at red fish? It hasn't switched
to a crustacean bite. When does that happen?

Speaker 6 (26:46):
Right, I've always I just stick with white baits, yeah,
either that or artificials. I mean there'll be sometimes, you know,
early morning, if you get on a flat by yourself,
you could get on top waters. But normally white baits
the key.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
It's just easy, I got you. But in the winter
it switches to that crustacean bite more, yes, but that's
not until like December.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. It depends on what type of
winter we have. Yeah, you fold the water get yeah,
I mean I think as of right now, yesterday the
water temperature was eighty one and that's been down ten degrees.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's cool, yeah, I mean September.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
Yeah, So to me, that's like, I don't think the
water temperture is going to get much higher.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
You know what's crazy is I think this year is
strange in the fact that we kind of had a
late spring and kind of a weird transition there, and
I feel like we're having a really weird fall. Yeah,
Like water tamps have gotten really low, really fast. Because
of all this rain and cloud cover we've been having,
and we're seeing the same thing near shore, like hogfish
are starting to bite already. We're catching ten, twelve, thirteen,

(27:53):
fourteen hogfish on a ten hour trip, where normally we
don't see that until October. Yeah, when the cold front start, I.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Think it's cold winner this year.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I don't know. Yeah, I would say last winter was
average to a little bit above maybe a six six
and a half seven, it would be my rating. It
wasn't a We didn't have the hardened down cold fronts
back to back to back to back back, but we
had some good ones for sure. It definitely cool. I

(28:23):
don't know. Yeah, you're you're predicting a hard one.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I am, unfortunately, I don't.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
You're just a person, bro.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
I feel like it's gonna come on pretty quick. I mean,
I the only reason I think that is, you know,
we've had two cold fronts. Sorry, yeah, you know. I
mean one of them came in August. That one's sad
here for two weeks.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Or well, I wouldn't call them cold fronts, right.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
It was a cold front.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
I mean it was just a boundary and it came
down and it sat between Tampa Bay and boath Grand
for a week and a half, you know, and then
a low spun off of it in the golf and
I mean it was in front, and it was in August,
and I don't remember the last time I saw a
front come down all the way down here for August.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Normally it's like panda and then they just.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Kind of dissipate and fall apart, and that thing pushed
all the way down.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
So I hope I'm wrong. Yeah, I mean, I hope
it's seventy degrees on Christmas.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
We got a north wind right now from A from
A I wouldn't call it a cold front. Again, it's
hard to call it a cold front if it doesn't
get cold. But you're right, it is technically.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
Seventy one degrees. In my truck this morning, we about
the house.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
That's cold.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
All right, Look just hang.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Out, you're right hanging it's going to be summer all year.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Just grasping out straw. It is nice, though, it is.
I will give it that. The Fox thirteen segment, we
have to get out there a little early and get
miked up, and you're kind of waiting to go live,
and so I'm standing out there on the boardwalk in
the sun, waiting for the camera to start rolling and
for them to cut to us from the studio. And
most of the time, by the time they cut to me,

(30:01):
I've already got sweat stains going through my t shirt,
you know. And this past Friday I had a little
bit of a chill. Yeah, it's nice. It was real nice,
I dig it.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
I mean, hey, we're in the middle of September and
it's not blazing hot, ninety humidity and seven o'clock in
the morning.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
So yeah, yeah, normally September we're dying, we're praying for
the first cold front. And it's been a nice end
to August. So all that to say, I feel like
a lot of the transition that fall transition to the
fishery has already started.

Speaker 8 (30:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Early in shore, you have the snook kind of retreat,
and you have the red fish picking up sheep's head.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Man.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
At the end of August, we had sheep's head like
all over the pilings. It's really strange to see that
so early, and near shore we're seeing the hog fish
pick up. I heard rumors in August about big schools
of mackerel moving their way north. We haven't really seen
them yet.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I've seen quiet.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
I've been the last a few trips, even in that
eighty or seventy to ninety foot you know, Jake ed
fishing for mangoes and stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
You're seeing them snipped off quite a few times.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
But I caught we caught three three mackerel while we
were well, we were mango fishing the other day.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Nice, you know, just on a couple of different spots.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
And are you seeing them? I seen it.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
I haven't seen that. I haven't seen stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
You're seeing the one. But I'm not on the water
beach much.

Speaker 8 (31:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Most of the time.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
It's like when I'm where those schools should be, it's
too dark for me to see them in the morning,
and then in the afternoon it's you know, usually a
pretty hard north northwest sea breeze and blowing pretty hard,
so I probably wouldn't see him much then either. But
But I do know that a couple of the intur

(31:50):
guys that I know have said that they've seen some
big wads of mackerel. And if we're seeing them off shore,
then you know, it might be a good.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Year for him.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Awesome, awesome, Well, we've got Donald from Loots on the line.
I don't want to squeeze him out, so we're gonna
get to him on the other side. Hopefully we're gonna
hear from you as well. Remember, if you want to
join the show, bring us a fishing question or just
say hello or a fish and report. Give us a
call one eight hundred and nine six nine nine three
five two to join the conversation. Real animals will be

(32:20):
right back with Donald from Loots on the other side.
Sorry to disappoint, just Captain Dylan Hubbard here with Captain
Steve Pappen of Fantastic Fishing Charters and Captain Charlie Howe
of EBB and Flow Charters on news Radio nine seventy
WFLA talking fishing and hopefully hear them from you as well.
Remember one eight hundred and nine six nine three five

(32:42):
two to join the conversation. We got our body, Donald
from Loots on the line. What's going on? Donald, how
are you today?

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Awesome?

Speaker 9 (32:50):
Good morning, captains. We've got a smidge of dry air.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Were you watching Fox thirteen yesterday?

Speaker 5 (32:59):
Oh yeah, I every Friday watching It was.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Hilarious yesterday the smidge of dry air. Man Dave would
not stop. He set me up for that one.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
That was good.

Speaker 10 (33:11):
That was good.

Speaker 9 (33:12):
So last that day I had my Dassu outing my
Donald and whoever goes up and catching some nice red
fish and some trout and stuff, and all of a
sudden we got the storm coming in hitting us.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
So but not funny, kayak no no, but it still was.

Speaker 9 (33:33):
It wasn't too bad, just got a little bit wet,
but set up the shelter and grilled cheeseburgers and hot
dogs for everyone afterwards, and we're just hanging out talking
about what we did there, and yeah, it really is.
It's a great time. That October eighteenth at pop Stansils Park,
I'm actually going to do a low country boil for everybody.

(33:55):
Wa crablet shrimp and duley sausage, the potatoes and corn
on the cob son. Be a good one.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, that sounds like a good time for sure. Nothing
beats a low country boil, especially after catching some fish.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Sounds yeah, absolutely So.

Speaker 9 (34:14):
Next Saturday is the cc ALL release memorial for Captain
Richard Seward. I remember hanging out with Cat Richard a
bunch of times at Metropolitan Ministries for the annual food drive,
and he was still going, you know, when he was
in his eighties and last time he was there, it's like, man,

(34:35):
you know he's still doing the carts and unloading and stuff.
But always loved helping out for that. Yes, looking forward
to that again coming up whenever they're doing it in.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
November, November twenty second, nine am to one pm. Thanks
for bringing it up. Fishing for Hope event is on
and this year it's going to be even bigger, even better.
We've got our friends that Old Salts Fishing Club joining us,
and Jim Nasset and his team over there at Pro
Marine have come through. We're going to have the boat
back and that boat is going to be at the

(35:11):
Old Salts King of the Beach tournament. So we're going
to have the Sink the Boat event again at that
fall tournament. So a chance to bring food to the
tournament and deposit your food donations for the Fishing for
Hope event at the Old Salts King of the Beach
Fall tournament. Then the boat's going to make its way
back to Pro Marine and we'll sit at Pro Marine

(35:31):
the time between the tournament and Fishing for Hope, so
that way we'll be able to accept donations there at
Pro Marine as well. So if you can't make it
to Tampa, there the day of the event November twenty second,
from nine am to one pm north Rome Avenue to
donate your food. You'll be able to go to King

(35:51):
of the Beach donate it there, or go to Pro
Marine and donate it there. Between King of the Beach
and Fishing for Hope, so we're really excited this year
to have the help of Old Salts and Pro Marine
and of course Captain Bill Miller, Capt Mike Anderson and
everybody else will be there as well. So it's going
to be a really exciting year for Fishing for Hope
and hopefully we'll be able to break some records. So

(36:13):
thanks for bringing it up, Donald.

Speaker 9 (36:15):
Oh absolutely, it's it's always a great thing to help
out metropolitan industries, even throughout the year two, you know,
because it's not just the Thanksgiving, it's you know, a
year round thing. But so looking forward to next Saturday
the CCO release, I'm excited to that fishing with Capt.
Michael Perry on Capt Rick Cross's boat, and you know,

(36:39):
I'm going to treat it like like I'm on a charter.
You know, it's like just going to be a blast.
You know, if you catch if I catch fish, great,
If I don't catch fish, that's going to be great too.
I'm just, you know, just blessed to be out there
to be able to do this, and I'm really thankful
to those two for inviting me again to be on

(36:59):
the boat. Just looking forward to hanging out and you know,
the camaraderie and you know, I know there'd be a
lot of laughs and it's just gonna be fun.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
And then to that time, well, good luck out there. Donald,
appreciate the phone call, and hopefully we'll hear from you
next weekend to give us a rundown of the event plan.

Speaker 9 (37:18):
Yeah, well we'll see what happens. You guys, take care
of stay safe and tight lines and you know, good
lord willing in the creek don't rise, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
And then to that thanks, Donald, appreciate you, buddy. Always
a pleasure of hearing from Donald and his dal Sue
events low Country boil. I had some kind Yeah, that's good,
it does. It does. Excited. We've got Will from Apollo
Beach coming up on the other side, and again hopefully
we'll hear from you as well. Remember one eight hundred
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(38:33):
Captain Charlie Howell of EBB and Flow Charters, and hopefully
you as well remember one eight hundred and nine six
nine three five two if you'd like to join the
conversation speaking of We've got Will from Apollo Beach on
the line. What's going on. Will how are you this morning?

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Better than I deserve?

Speaker 2 (38:52):
How you doing, Dylan doing well? My friend doing well?
Another damn paradise? What you got for us this morning?

Speaker 11 (39:00):
I gotta question the blue runners? Is that in the
family of the jack.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
It is?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I believe Steve's shaking his head. Yes, he's a blue
runner expert, so we'll default to him. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah, they are definitely okay.

Speaker 11 (39:15):
I thought I thought they were. But they're good fighters,
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Mm hmm. Good fighters in a great bay. Fantastic, Yeah,
very good.

Speaker 11 (39:27):
Last Monday there was a day's fisherman dreams of I've
caught literally so many mackerel my wrist still hurts.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Oh nice, that's awesome. We're at in the bay, on
the beach, on the.

Speaker 12 (39:40):
Coast, in the in the bay, yeah, over in the
Fort Desota area.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Nice. So there's mackerel in the four area. That's good.

Speaker 11 (39:49):
Yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 12 (39:50):
And they're a lot bigger at this time of the
year than they were in July.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
M hm.

Speaker 11 (39:54):
So it really makes a good day if you like fishing.
I'm gonna give a shout out to I want to
give a shout out to my fishing buddy, I'll Fellt
and his son. Yeah, and I'm the guy that doesn't
like the manatees.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I don't. I don't think you're alone on that one.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Yeah, I'm the guy.

Speaker 12 (40:16):
Talk to you about a month ago about the vanites
eat all our seagrass.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
That there is there's a lot of conversation around it.
I mean, it's a it's a tough subject to have discussed,
and no one seems to want to have the conversation.
But there is a carrying capacity to the environment, and
I'm interested to see that conversation happen around manates because
they were at a point where their population was really low.

(40:42):
Now their population is really high. And same with sharks.
I mean, we can't continue to manage in a vacuum,
right if you have an apex predator like a shark.
When what happens when you regulate that species and that
species per liferates, the top of the food web gets
really heavy. You have to have some predator control. Manate

(41:05):
is not a predator, but they don't have any natural
predators really besides humans and their unfortunate interaction with engines.
And then also manates have a lot of these unique
mortality events or unknown mortality events involved with I guess
water quality, temperature, or whatever you want to equate it to.

(41:27):
They haven't really figured out why, but there is definitely
a problem with manates or a correlation I should say,
not a problem, a correlation with manates and seagrass and
these different extinction events to seagrass beds. So it's a
conversation that I think should happen or should be looked at.
I would agree, will.

Speaker 12 (41:49):
I'm trying to figure out now the benefit or the
of having porposes.

Speaker 11 (41:57):
Yes, when you're on a piers, you got to bring
that fish up.

Speaker 12 (42:01):
I have had many many times porpoises come right out
of the water like you see in the aquarium and
take the whole bottom half of your fish, and you know,
I know the tourists love them, but is there really
any benefit to having porpoises?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
The entire food web is important, so marine mammals definitely
have a place in a balance, and a lot of
marine mammals are keeping sharks away. A lot of times
when you see dolphins, you don't see sharks, so there
is a balance there, So I think they are important
to the environment. Now, I would agree the same conversation
about sharks and manatees. Right is there's a there's also

(42:39):
a balance that needs to be struck. And marine mammals
are severely protected in the Marine Mammal Protection Act m MPa,
and uh, there should be some conversation around marine mammal
to terrens, and those conversations are starting. You've seen that
off the West coast. So they allow rubber bullets in
seals to keep the seals off some of those fishing duffs.

(43:00):
And uh, there is no possible way that you can
even think about using rubber bullets in the Gulf for
marine mammals. But there is conversations around some of these deterrens.
And and there is right now some audio deterrence being
tested and some other things set sent. So it'd be
interesting to see how that develops.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
I'd love to be one of the testers for said.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
You'll sign up.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
No rubber bullets definitely like acoustic device.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Not even entertainment purposes. Are we going to joke about
rubber bullets? I don't know that.

Speaker 12 (43:38):
Hey, Dylan, I know we got Dylan. I know we
got thousands of new people coming from the north moving
down here. For obvious reasons, but I do want to
tell them if they get a chance to do one
of your charters out of your Hubbard Marine, it's an
experience they'll never forget.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I appreciate it. Man, Thank you so much, appreciate the
kind words, and thanks for the phone call this morning.
Let's you as well well. You have a great one.
Always good to hear from our local fishermen and listeners
like you. Remember one eight hundred and nine three five two.
To join the conversation, we got Captain Jim Fogel on
the line with our visit Saint Pete Clearwater Safe Boating

(44:17):
tip of the week. What's going on, Captain Jim? How
are you, buddy?

Speaker 8 (44:20):
Good morning? Good morning Dylan and Steve and Charlie. Hope
you guys are having a good morning.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
We are we all them? Sounds like it, yes, sir.

Speaker 8 (44:29):
Speaking of that's not my subject, but you guys got
peeks started here yesterday or last night I think on
TV they showed alligators, you know, walking up people stairs
and all kinds of stuff like that. They were talking
about needing more possible open what chits to hunt gators?

Speaker 2 (44:51):
You're going to talk about, Terry.

Speaker 8 (44:55):
Now they've got bears. You know, they're giving out a
few hits for bears and and a few for alligators,
and they were wondering if they didn't need more since, yeah,
another alligatory or.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Something charismatic megafauna, whether it's dolphins, manatees, pelicans, black bears, alligators,
all these different species, it's an interesting problem that we
have to strike charismatic megafauna.

Speaker 8 (45:21):
Let's talk for a minute about this week on the water.
Coast Guard had a pretty busy week. Tuesday, a twenty
footer went out of Hernando about thirty miles and became disabled.
A twenty two footer began towing them back. I don't
know if they were fishing together or what. I don't

(45:41):
have that part of the story, but began towing them
back and then it got in trouble. So both boats
got in trouble and they all got really wet. Me
they got rescued by the Coastguard, but they had to
be treated for hypothermia. So you know, there's another There's
another reminder that even though you know our weather is

(46:02):
pretty warm, the water is pretty warm, you can certainly
get hypothermia if if you're in the wrong conditions and
you get wet.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah. Good.

Speaker 8 (46:09):
On Wednesday, a twenty seven foot sea hunt I think
it was, I'm not sure, went out of carping early
in the morning. I headed for the Middle grounds, I think,
and then they hit a wave and both gentlemen were
ejected from the boat. No life jackets had I'm not

(46:36):
sure how long they were in the water, but it
turns out that the Double Eagle, which I think is
out of clear water. They evidently had they had a
medical emergency. Coast Card came out, rescued a person, pulled
somebody off the boat, and because they were they were

(46:58):
the rest of them wanted to fish for a while.
They hung out and all of a sudden they spotted
a guy in the water.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (47:06):
So luckily they rescued one of these two guys from
the water and the other guy has not been found. Yeah,
so please listeners, you know, be ready for all this stuff.
You know, the sea does not care. The sea does
not have a conscience, the sea does not have a heart.

(47:27):
It's a great place, but you've got to take care
of yourself, so please be careful out there.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (47:34):
All the safety all the safety gear you could possibly
get used, you know, and pay attention to that weather.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, thoughts and prayers are with Brandon Taylor's family and
dealing with that difficult time.

Speaker 8 (47:46):
Such a shame.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, very sad. He was a good, good fisherman, well
known in the industry for sure.

Speaker 8 (47:53):
Yeah I didn't don't think I know him, but he
sounds like a really good guy. All right, guys appreciating
that with such a sour note there, or a sad note,
but you guys keep up the good work for the
Coast Guard on Chilian Saint Pete, Jim Pogle, be safe
out there.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Appreciate you, Captain Jim, thank you our visit Saint Pete
Clearwater safe boating tip of the week. Definitely appreciate that
keeping us focused and reminding us you got to stay
safe out there on the water. It is can be
a dangerous place, can turn dangerous quickly and got to
be thinking ahead for sure. Not good and we're coming

(48:30):
into that time of year where the water temp is
going to get low, and that makes things even more
dangerous because you don't have a lot of time. It's cooler,
it's nicer, but man, it can get even more treacherous
off shore. Don't want to end up in cold water.
That's a tough thing.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
It's happened to me once.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
It's no fun.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
That day after it happened, I went and bought a
Mustang self inflatable.

Speaker 8 (48:53):
M h.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
No.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
I flew out of the boat really yeah, did a
bow steer and just whipped right right over. Luckily I
wasn't driving the boat. It was a buddy months boat.
But it happened right out in front of the Saint
Pepe here and I was like he circled around and
got me and we ended up still going condition. But
it was definitely an eye opener.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
I think safety equipment something that most a lot of
people do overlook. You know, everybody gets an eperb but
you know then they're like that's enough, you know, but
getting out of the water is.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
A huge thing.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
I think having a raft on an offshore boat should
almost be as important as having an engine or a
bottom machine. You know, just something to just something to
save everybody at the end of the day. You know,
if the absolute worst thing happens, yeah, pop a raft.
I mean, if you're gonna two hundred thousand dollars boat,

(49:51):
you know, what's fifteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Bucks for a raft? You know, it's not that big
a deal.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
A ditch bag is important. Thinking about these things ahead
of time is very important. Signal mirrors something to make noise,
because the thing about I mean, you hear these stories
about people being lost offshore, and it's so sad and
so difficult to deal with, and it's just a tough situation.
But you think about it, it's like, how did people

(50:15):
get lost off shore? The coast Guard will search for
forty eight hours, seventy two hours. There's all these people,
I mean, you want John's pass on a morning, all
these boats after boats after boats going out there. How
does someone go missing? But then you think about it,
even if you're wearing up all head to toe bright
neon green, if you're out there in the gulf, you

(50:36):
are literally a speck a needle in a haystack, and
it's really hard to see a head bobbin out there offshore.
So you got to make sure that you have those things.
And it's scary to think about for sure. Gotta be prepared,
think about it ahead of time. Ye yeah. And communication.
Communication is always helpful. So a kneeperb your sap phone,

(50:57):
your garment in reach and nowadays they got that that
beautiful starlink. Yeah, man, that stuff is cool. We had
a guy on the overnight or this last overnighter who
brought a starlink out just kind of set it up
on the on the roof of the boat. So the
guys are facetiming me the whole time, packing fish and
sending photos back and forth watching Netflix. Pretty wild, Yeah, crazy,

(51:17):
I hear that, you stink I really want a starlink. Yeah,
And I mean, honestly, they're they're pretty costly, but we're
already paying for Garmin in reach, we're already paying for
sat phone, already paying for all these different things, and
then you throw in the serious XM satellite to see
the radar offshore. Between the cost of the starlink or

(51:39):
the sat phone, the garment and the serious XM, you
cancel all those and just get a starlink.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Well, I don't know the XM you're going to cancel
because of the weather that overlays on your chart plotter
it is pretty nice versus the one that is on
your phone that just kind of shows you a general
die You still got are you know? But I mean,
you know you can you can help playing your trips

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better with the with the overlay on your chart plotter.
You know, I'm going to go to this area because
the storms aren't there versus you're looking at it on
your phone. I don't know, just playing the Devil's advocate there.

Speaker 8 (52:16):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Starlink is, you know, obviously the new greatest thing, but
maybe they'll be able to get it through on your
chart blotter.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I'm surema, unit won't be on far behind. You'll be
able to watch your YouTube on your on your sixteen
inch screens.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
We actually have that now on the contender on the
new on the news loggerhead. Yeah, there's a we were
watching Apple TV the other day.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Why you're all sure?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Oh, we weren't off shore.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
We were sitting at the dog But do you have
starlink on it so you we'll be able to watch
TV out there now?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I'm not really sure why, but because you can me
you got a thirty nine contenter, you might as well
watch Apple TV. That's awesome, cap'n Jeene Hammond Lines of
liberty on the other side, hopefully we'll hear from you
as well. Remember one eight hundred and nine six nine
nine three five two to join the conversation. We're back

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buddy cap'n jeen Hammond with lines of liberty. What's going on,

(53:52):
cap'n jeen you?

Speaker 5 (53:54):
How's it going? Fellas? Our you know, our thoughts and
prayers go out to the Taylor family. A new loch him.
I didn't know him personally, but just sad, just sad.

Speaker 7 (54:03):
You know.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
I have starling, I carry my starling, I have garment
and reads, I have a p L b but I
don't wear that stuff. Sometimes I don't always wear my
kill switch. So our thoughts and prayers go out to him.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Definitely a tough situation.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
Very very tough. Where where are your kill switch? You
know that boat stops, maybe they get back to the boat.
But but I don't know. I don't I don't know
what happened there, if the boat overturned. I know those
sea hunts can dig real hard and uh and practically
throw you out of the boat and the following see,
I've been on one.

Speaker 8 (54:44):
But uh.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
Our thoughts and prayers go out to him, for sure, sad.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
What do you got going on? At lines of liberty?
We're up against a break man.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
I got to tell you a real quick story. How
do gentleman call me up to donate some gear? I
walked into his garage down there and not one, not one,
but two Bronze Star Medal certificates hanging on the wall.
Let me read this to you real quick, and this
is authorized by the President of the United States August

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nineteen sixty two. The Bronze Star Medal for Meritorious achievement
in ground operation against hostile forces in the Republic of Vietnam.
Not one, but two. It just give me chills, right,
And I want to tell you, next time you talk
to Captain Jim Fogel, please thank him for his service

(55:35):
because that was him. He's always there to help us.
He's very humble. You wouldn't know it, but he is
a true American hero. And that just I almost I'm
telling you, I wanted to turn around and give him
a hug when I saw those medals on the wall.
That's a big deal. Republic of Vietnam against ground for

(55:59):
a hostile horses on the ground of Vietnam. So Captain
Jim Fogel and his family is always there to help
winds of liberty. It's people like that. He gave me
a bunch of gear to help take veterans out I took.
I did a trip yesterday. It was a little rough.
We got some grouper and some other things. But it's

(56:20):
it's people like that that helped me do what I do.
Especially do guys. Thank you to the community, and thank
you Fogel family, and especially Jim Fogel for for always
Viingnare for me and and our college.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
That's amazing.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
He's a true American hero. He really is.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Amen. To that. Well, we appreciate you, Captain Captain Jean,
thanks for calling in my ben.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
Yeah, take care, take care, have a good have a
good weekend.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
All right man, Thank you, take care. Hopefully we'll talk
to you again soon. Lines of Liberty dot Org. Check
them out Lines of Liberty on Facebook, Instagram, all that
good stuff. Real Animals Radio will be right back. We're back,
Barto Ford, Real Animals Radio talking fishing this morning. You
can join the conversation one eight hundred and nine six
nine nine three five two. Captain Dylan Hubbard from Ubbard's Marina,

(57:09):
Captain Steve Pappen from Fantastic Fishing Charters, and Captain Charlie
Howe from Ebb and Flow Charters talking fishing with you
all this morning. We got Captain William Keene on the
line from Crystal River. What's going on? Captain William Kean,
how are you, buddy?

Speaker 10 (57:26):
Doing fine? I'm not truly a captain, but I'm an
old salt.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
There you go, gotta work, Katin.

Speaker 10 (57:31):
How I like the name of your charter. Do you
catch more fish on the ebb of the flow when
you fish?

Speaker 6 (57:36):
Depends on where I'm fishing.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
I love it.

Speaker 10 (57:41):
How you doing see why eyeing your life jacket nothing
stopping things to your life jacket true speaking jack to
try to tell how well that life take it works
for you. Just dive in the water going into a pool.
Do you want to swim for six hours with the
flotation that's offering or would you like to be able
to float without any effort? So you know, I think

(58:03):
you can buy yourself with a more expensive life desk
if you do that test. They're important that if you
don't like them to wear one, where one that's auntastic
your person, But you get at all kinds of stuff
to your life. Best to make your life.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
Easier if you go overboard.

Speaker 10 (58:18):
Now the target shooters use a tape to hide or
a gunshot one of those through the target. You can
buy a roll of that tape and roll out one
hundred foot of that red tape that would float behind
you and be seen on the water very cheaply. But
they you can buy more expensive ones that are plastic
that would float better and more visible. But I wanted

(58:40):
to throw a couple of tips like all those lines
wish all the beds, and I heard that there's going
to be a sponsored real animals fishing show boats show
with Captain the Captains if you remember what time that
was supposed to start.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
You know, we have our OCC event coming up September
twenty third at seven pm at OCC Roadhouse. But a
boat show, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Speaker 10 (59:08):
But didn't be to push you on the spot, but
it was Frank Sergeant and Captain Mike ceaming up for
a boat in November. So I was getting excited about that.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
I wanted that to be spread about. But that would
be a show, great show.

Speaker 10 (59:24):
Next time he's heard he's words.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I hope you're saying you as well, buddy, Thank you
so much for calling in. And uh, well, I'll have
to ask about that boat show thing. We'll find out
for next week.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
They used to have the Frank Sergeants Outdoors Expo. Yeah,
I don't know that if they still do it, but
that was always a good time and that was a
Bato involved too.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah, there used to be a ton of those type
of events, and there's really not a lot of them anymore.
It seems to have gone by the wayside. Social media
has kind of taken over as the boat show instead
of in person events. But I love the Florida Sportsman
show series. I loved and hated him at the same
time because my dad and I used to do thirteen

(01:00:05):
a year. It was a it was a crazy, uh
series that we would go through and trailer our boat,
our booths to the different one's. That's where we used
to hang out. It was a cool booth. See if
you could pull the group out of the rock.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
It was a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:00:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
But before that, we had a booth that was like
a like a shack, like a wooden shack, and that
thing was so tall it was a bear to travel
around with and it was a lot harder to set up.
So it got easier overtime with the Grouper simulator.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Yeah, yeah, I forgot all about that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Engineered for sure, my dad it was. It was cool.
It was cool and we still have that that trailer.
I'll see it today. It's up with the farm now
it's a work trailer, different different uses.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
So you you to mention it earlier. Captain Charlie Howell
about art a sea trout works coming up. I posted
the links in our live chat on Facebook as well.
We'll post it on YouTube live chat. The sea Trout
workshops are coming up FWC had the Sea Trout Symposium,
and now they are doing these workshops. They have eighteen

(01:01:15):
different nineteen different workshops across ten days all over the state.
The workshop coming up locally is Monday September fifteenth. That's
going to be in Saint Pete at FWRI or the
Florida Wildlife Research Institute. That is Monday, September fifteenth, and
it is from six pm to eight pm. There's also

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one coming up in Apollo Beach for those of you
on the South Shore. Apollo Beach is at the Sun
Coast Youth Conservation Center on Dickman Road, September sixteenth. That's Tuesday,
September sixteenth, again six to eight pm. There's one in
Port Charlotte as well, if you're down there listening, Tuesday,
September sixteenth, over there at the Charlotte County Commission Chambers,

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so check out the link. There's also a virtual one
coming up for anybody to attend Thursday, September eighteenth, so
that's also all of those are six to eight pm.
And what they're doing is they're changing trout regulations to
match what they've already done with redfish and snook. Is
making those micro regions. I forget how many regions there are,

(01:02:25):
but it's nine. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's a lot.
So there's like a Tampa Bay, there's a Sarasota, there's
a Charlotte Harbor. They're very, very kind of focused in
different regions.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
It's pretty cool, yeah, which makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
And they'll have different regulations across them generally, so it'll
be interesting to see how Sea Trout shakes out. So
if you want to have your voice heard, it's always
a good idea to do it early because once they
get down the road, it's hard to change it. So
get involved early if you want to if you have
a say or a thought on Sea Trout. Main is

(01:03:00):
important to pay attention to these workshops coming up, So
thanks for the reminder, Captain Charlie, and you'll be at
the Monday night one coming out with Nice Nice And
as mentioned before, we got the in person events coming
up September twenty third, we'll be at occ Roadhouse at
seven pm to nine pm, and that one's going to
be with Captain Jeff Page. It's going to be super

(01:03:24):
super exciting to have him join us from Florida Insider,
Fisher Report and man, he's an inshore legend. Yeah, I'm
excited to pick his brain a little bit myself and
hang out and we'll have plenty of great food, great drinks,
and also free stuff to win. You got a chance
to win some Bulbay rods, some Ingle coolers, some other

(01:03:45):
real animals, and Hubbard's Marina swag. So hopefully you can
join us again September twenty third from seven to nine
pm over that occ Roadhouse. Always a good time. I
love that place. The food is incredible. Yeah, we had
a tournament. They're not the Wild Westernment.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Yeah, it was great. It was a cool venue.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
It is a great venue and they have a lot
of different stuff going on. When you go to the bathroom,
they have like their event schedule and it's every night.
There's something going on from concerts to like UFC fights
to bare knuckle fights to truck Night, which is my
favorite truck night. Shout out to our friends over at TTP. Yeah. Yeah,
Tony's total performance where I take my truck. They sponsor

(01:04:26):
the truck Night and then schedule it all out and man,
some beautiful trucks. Yeah, beautiful trucks.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
I just put it on my calendar. I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Yeah, all right, well we'll see you there. So it's
pretty fun and they allow dogs in there. It's very
family friendly. It's pretty cool. Nice the nice spot. So
check it out again September twenty third, seven to nine
pm at occ Roadhouse. It's on forty ninth Street, just
south of Almerton, so easy to get to as well.

(01:04:54):
So coming up, we got hog fish coming up. What
are you most excited for in the next couple weeks here,
Kem Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Patt I got the Kingfish tournaments coming up, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Once gags and red snapper clothes, you just switch right
into tournament mode.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
He got the new boat and everything like that. It
just showed up. We got to go put it through
its paces and all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
That's you had that boat for spring King of the Beach,
didn't you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
No, you just got another one. So oh wow, Yeah
this was dual row seating.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
And wait he just got a thirty nine contender like
end of last year. Yeah, and this is another new one.
Yeah wow, all right, yeah very cool, yeah, very nice.
So what was the reason for the change.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
He won a dual role seating. You know, he likes
to keep it, you know, updated and just I mean
that he uses his boats a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Yeah, so does his son.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Yeah, I should say the boat gets used a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:05:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Yeah, so in lieu of you know, repower, and every
year or whatever, he just you know, sell the and
buy another one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
I guess. So, I don't know, it wasn't always like that.
H That man's worked really hard in his life.

Speaker 8 (01:06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
And there's a lot of new boats in the tournament series.
Are friends at Pro Marine the new front Runner. That's
pretty legit boat too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Yeah, for sure, the pro.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Team Pro Marine is running. So I always love tournament
day the boats that come through there that the Dose
Wavos team. I don't know who that that team is specifically,
but man, that's a beautiful boat too.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
If they gave an award in the tournament for who
burns the most fuel in a day, those guys would
win every time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Really, they just have one speed, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Seventy two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Well, they have two, it's stop or eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
It seemed incredible to watch it because that's a freeman, right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
Yeah, they had a forty two. I think it's still
a forty might be a forty seven. Yeah, good guys though,
I mean you know, real cool guys, but they don't.
They they fish it. They've got their phones on. You
know there's a bite, you know somewhere, they're gonna be
there within a very short period.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Well, if you can go eighty miles an hour, you'll
make it there fast.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
I guess I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
What about you, Captain Charlie, What are you looking forward
to most in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
I'm looking forward to the water it's still cooling off
and redfish getting better.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Redfish action it is, and I'm I'm looking forward to
hopefully a good push of the mackerel and hopefully a
decent showing of the kingfish, which always makes our near
short fishery more exciting. Plus the hogfish picking up, so
it's an exciting time to hear things cooling down and offshore.
Now we lose the gag grouper and the red snapper,

(01:07:43):
but it also loses the chaos right all summer long.
It's like a red snapper.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
I got to catch me a red snapper.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
And now that dies down and we can take a
deep breath. We got lighter loads, more room, a little
bit more of a laid back group, and now we
can focus on our red group or our mangroves. The
yellow tail. Incredible bite. We've been seeing the mutt and
snapper last year in the cooler months October, November, December
was really good. It was as nine how many we

(01:08:12):
were catching, pretty awesome, and I'm excited to see that
as well. I'm hoping to break some records and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Maybe a few zebras too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Maybe maybe you never know they has more a six
hour yeah, two weeks ago. Well, I feel like in
the cooler months is where we see those walehoo in
super shallow water. We got an eighty eight pounder and
like forty eight foot one time. Really it was crazy
crazy on a ten hour It's really he caught it

(01:08:38):
on a forty pound test spinning reel. Wow, yeah, really
really insane story.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Well, I mean why is you know, they're just like
a big kingfish, and they're lactic acid builds up fast
because they're sprinting, and you know you can if you
can just have enough line to maintain, you'll be entire
let's say, get to the end of that run.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
You know generally that's pretty much it. It's just like
catching a big kingfish.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
So I don't know, you downplay that a little bit.
Wile who run is completely different than a kingfish run.
I disagree, you've caught too many of them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I mean, if you get the really big big fish.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
So if you get one, you know, eighty plus, you
know those ones right there would be the equivalent of,
you know, a kingfish in the forty plus pound range
where I know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
When we caught that like ninety five pounder with mahoney,
when we were filming that fish and show the water
was smoking because of how fast the line the monofilm
that was ripping through it, right, I'll never forget that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
But then he gets to the end of that run. Generally,
a fish like that'll have two runs in it, you know,
it'll have its second run that's shorter, and then and
then it's done, you know. So you're just you just
have to maintain the integrity of keeping the hook in
them and keeping the line tight, yeah, you know, and
just the weather they run. But other than that, pretty

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easy fish to catch.

Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
There, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Well, don't forget to stop by the Friendly Fishermen's Seafood
Restaurant ownership has changed back or ownership hasn't changed, but
management has changed. Back to the Hubbard family, and there
is a ton of great deals. If you haven't stopped
by lately, stop by and see it. It's really changed
up for the better. There's a waterfront bar, great views,
air conditioned dining room, fresh seafood. They've got a killer

(01:10:36):
Kobea special going on right now that you don't want
to miss out on. They have Kobea Tacos for only
fifteen ninety nine with a mango chutney which is really good. Also,
an eight ounce entree for twenty one to ninety nine
comes with sides. Also, they've got bacon wrap sea scalps
that I highly recommend you check out right now, Incredible

(01:10:58):
fish spread and other appetizers. The Captain's Platter is my favorite,
got a little bit of everything in there. You can
get it broiled, black end or fried. And it's a
really really great restaurant right inside Fish Famous John's Pass.
They also offer to cook your catch, so you can
stop by there after a trip. With Hubbard's Marina or
Captain Steve Pappen and Fantastic Fishing Charters, you can stop

(01:11:20):
by after your own trip and get your fish cooked
up fresh at the Friendly Fisherman's seafood restaurant, So stop
by today and don't forget to check them out Friendlyfishermen
dot Com to see the menu and all the different
great specials, and also follow them on social media Instagram, Facebook,
all that good stuff as well. We will be right
back at the Real Animals Radio Show. We got one

(01:11:42):
more small segment. Don't go anywhere. We're wrapping things up
on the other side. We're back bartow Ford, Real Animals
Radio talking fishing this morning. Captain Steve Pappen from Flying
High Charters, Captain Charlie Howell from EBB and Flow Charters. Sorry,
I don't know where I got that. Bobby, Bob, Bobby
Woodard is Flying High Charters, So I started with the

(01:12:03):
f and I don't know where I went Fantastic Fishing
Charters kind of Steve Pafin, Sorry, big shout out to Bobby.
He was here last week. I made it through the
whole show without messing it up, So give me a
little bit of bet.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
I think we've known each other for a good bit
of time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
That doesn't that doesn't stop me from messing things up,
all right, Well, just because we've known each other, well whatever,
I apologize, all right, don worry about it. Maybe you
can forgive me one day. Weather Wise, we're on a
quarter moon weekend, a little bit of an upper level disturbance,
so we've got a little bit more moderate wind, moderate
seas through the weekend into the coming through the coming

(01:12:43):
work week, hopefully calming down this upcoming weekend for that
new moon at the end of next weekend. Tides are
a little slow right now, but should be picking up
through the week. Water temps have come down a lot,
things are moving. Fish are starting to transition into more
of that cooler fall time wintertime pattern. Even though it
is middle of September, we're starting to see a lot

(01:13:05):
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(01:13:52):
He's been on the tournament trail forever. He's part of
Florida Insider Fish and report knows a lot. So hopefully
you can join us seven to nine pm September twenty
third at OCC Roadhouse. All right, Captain Charlie, how would
you reach you if you wanted to book a charter
with EBB and Flow Charters over there on the Gandy
Boat Ramp.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
You could go on my website abeflow Charters dot com
or give me a call is probably the best way
for text me eight one, three, five, nine, eight eleven
ninety one.

Speaker 7 (01:14:23):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Yeah, I appreciate you coming this morning. Next having fishing
with us, What about you? Captain Steve Pappin at Fantastic
Fishing Charters dot com. Finishastic Fishing Charters dot com. Yeah, yeah,
and TikTok he's big on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yah we go. It's all the time with you in
your TikTok.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
I'm just jealous. You got a bigger TikTok than me.
I'll get there one day trying to catch up. You know,
big time TikTok guy over there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Seven two seven, six four to two thirty four eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Uh, you got you got a TikTok.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
What's a TikTok? That's o'clock right, and that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
On You got to talk to Steve eight.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Listen, if you have you have sixteen seventeen year old daughter,
you have to know what TikTok is and when they
when they challenge you and say no one will watch
your stuff because you're old, you got to prove them wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
That's when you do one of those stupid dances, right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
I mean, if you had one of those, I would
be promoting his TikTok channel.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
I think a lot more often. Definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
It's a life press. Thank you for being a part
of our real animals family. Hopefully you'll catch us tomorrow
morning seven and nine am on six twenty WDAA. Hopefully
we'll see you next week again seven and nine or seven.
Excuse me, man, I'm losing it. Six to eight am

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every Saturday morning on news radio nine to seventy WFLA.
And don't forget live stream show every Sunday night, seven
thirty pm on The Hubbard's Marina and Real Animals Facebook.
We'll see you next week. Thanks for being a part
of our Real Animals family.