August 13, 2024 • 9 mins
As the US sends warships to the trouble middle east, is this more of the usual posturing or should we be concerned? Military Analyst Mike Lyons joins to help us understand all that is in play.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I always enjoyed talking to Mike Lyons, who joins us
CNN Reporter News Nation Reporter. You're reporting everywhere, Mike. Good
morning to use we talk all things military. How are you, Hey,
Good morning, Tony. It's crazy to be back to you.
Great to talk to you. So let's talk a little
bit about what's been happening in the Middle East. We've
got fighter jets squadrons going there. We already have another
(00:24):
look at a new submarine situation over there. What are
some of the things that we have here.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, so we saw last week that the Secretary Defense
wanted to Abraham Lincoln there that they couldn't get there
in time. It's going to take still to the three
weeks for them to deploy. When they were in Hawaii,
they were in Guam with an exercise and they've been
cold to now step it up, but it's they're gonna
have to violate a lot of physics in order for
that to happen. Get there with anytime soon. US of
(00:52):
Georgia we usually don't telegraph when we spend submarine someplace,
so we're doing it this time. If power doesn't necessarily
fire nuclear rounds, but tomahawk weapons on it as well,
really sending this message of deterrence there for Iran not
to do something, because it will provide an overhead overcover
(01:12):
for for Israel here to the range decided to attack
and then amp seb amphibious carrier groups are also them
to be deployed there, so more or less to the
poor the terrence though because of the fact that they
won't be able to get there on time. If Urane
decided to fire something tonight, let's say none of these
none of these assets would be really on station ready
(01:34):
to do anything.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Just yet.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Well, when we talked about why why this is happening,
it's because Iran right was struck as in a Hamas
political leader Ismail Honeyeah was assassinated in Iran. There's this
argument of obviously invading a sovereign nation, those kinds of things.
(01:59):
But you know, Ryan keeps poking the bear in Israel.
They don't They don't mess around when you poke them.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No. But I think in some ways, while we need
to support Israel with the military equipment and the like
of what we've been doing, and in particularly the air
defense systems that we that we help here, we should
put a little bit of a red line in that
where it has to do with you know, you know,
assassinating the political leader there or assassining the negotiator. Really
with what the Democrats needed in this point from a
(02:28):
political perspective was this cease fire agreement. UH. If they
had a ceasefire agreement in.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The next week or so, that would just.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know, calm things down, make things look like this
administrations really do something. They don't have that and more
or left down looks like bb net Yaho's is going
to escalate. So if if rockets come from HEAs lots
of the North, I think he's going to turn the
entire theory of the Israeli idea of UH in that
direction as well. And so I don't think he's looking
to help Joe Biden or help.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
This administration help of States right now.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I think I'd rather say Trump as president, which is
why he's going to, I think, continue to escalate. But
for sure, the Iranians, they haven't done anying yet as
they continue to try to kind of figure out what's
the best way to respond without escalating, because they still
have the most to lose enough situation.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You know, we've talked before and it's confounding to me
that we can have our men and women serving they're
in Iraq and now there's talk to them a scuttle,
but that maybe even Iraqis are contributing with either Hesbala
and or Iran on hurting our troops. We've seen more
(03:37):
explosions happening. When does the United States of America quit
putting up with some of these things or do you
think we are now?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
No, that's exactly right. So mean we don't have a
deterrence to Iran either. Other countries are not afraid. Look
at what the Huti's continue to do to the US forces.
They haven't stopped as well, and that's because of again,
this administration hasn't really set any kind of red line
anywhere with any of these other countries. These attacks, and
our soldiers are only responded with attack against maybe a
(04:09):
unit that they go after them or or a smaller
sized counter attack as opposed to what Israel does for
their deterrence. Israel's deterrence is disproportional responses, and because of that,
these countries think twice about it. For example, if the
Iranians decide to go after Israel and kill Israeli civilians well,
you're going to see ten times being on our rockets
(04:30):
go back in the other direction with regard to what
their response is going to do.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
But the United.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
States has not done that in the years now, and
I think we have to figure out and reset what
our deterrence is towards van We saw reports the other
day too that the Iranians don't want Donald Trump as
president because they recognize that they kind of get away
with this with the current administration. I mean, this administration
wants through something with them on, so they keep giving
them a past and it's allowing the molistic groups that
(04:58):
are on control to attack US forces. Is there, It's
really unsatisfactory.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
There are Palestinians and then there's Hamas. There is distinguishable traits,
not amongst the people per se as just people, but
what Hamas wants to do and what other people want
to do just to have some kind of freedom. How
do we delineate and work the Hamas is like rats
in a tunnel and they and then they're using tunnels
(05:23):
and getting civilians killed. How do we stop that? Is
there anyway?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No, it's no, it's very difficult, Tony. It's because of
the fact that the people still have chosen Sinemar and
that the leaders that they have are just unwilling to negotiate.
And if you look at history, it just still depends
on the leadership, which is why Israel is using the
speak application strategy both in Palistine in Gaza as well
(05:47):
as going after Hasbillah leaders now as well. You saw
them take out one of the Iranian Republican Guards generals
a few years ago to as well. So this is
their strategy until they can find leaders. Israel wants to
keep the conflict conventilate. They're not stopping until they find
a leader that says we surrender, here's the hostages back,
and let's figure out a way for peace. This whole
(06:08):
two state solution, I think it's so far down the
road right now, it's not even a Bible alternatives.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh yeah, not for a long long time, will be gone.
I think before anything like that could happen, I suspect
I wanted to get your take on the Russian invasion
of Ukraine and now Ukraine fighting back and apparently Ukraine
claims control of hundreds of square miles. What's up with
that and why is Zelenski doing this now?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Well, so you know they still can't banquish the Russian military,
so to speak, but they've done a weakness in their
lines here and going into Kursk and Minnesota beliefs that's there,
and I think it makes some sense for Ukraine military.
They don't want to sit there and get pounded on
the defensive side. You're in the military itself, that's what
you want to do. And they've been successful. Now they've
(06:54):
taken land inside of Russia, inside of certain places that
are I think just trying to upset what Vladimir Putin
is doing. Maybe it could be used as a way
for his people to recognize that things aren't going well,
force him to mobilize again. They find this weakness in
the line there. What's the long term strategy, I just
(07:14):
don't know. Then we'll be able to hold this land.
They're still lost twenty percent of their own land in
the Dome Back area and Primea as well. But it's
a moving forward step and perhaps we'll put some pressure negotiations.
I don't think anything's changing in Ukraine until we have
a different administration. Frankly on either side will be able
to accomplish their objectives with our military.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
With that in mind, as I understand it. I think
that Putin was wanting to do something in the winner
to again attack sources of heat, all those kinds of
different things, and add what hundreds of thousands of more troops.
Is this just maybe a deterrent by Ukraine, or at
least a thought of deterrent.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well it started. It does create a problem for Russia.
It possibly delays that again they're going to have to mobilize.
Russia still has not done things like gone after that
grid in a way that it's shored its destruction. You
still know, cyber for example, we haven't seen in that conflict.
They're going on all over three years now, so lots
(08:16):
of different tools still that Russia you had thought have
used by now, they just haven't done that. The terrence,
it's very difficult. Russia still has the upper hand because
of the equipment, because of the amount of people they
can still throw at this which has just been a
complete way. You know, there's hundreds of thousands of Russian
troops that have been killed and named and injured in
this this conflict for no real reason, all.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Right, real quick, and that is with China and Russia.
They both have told Aron to you know, hold your horses,
don't don't don't attack Israel right now? Is that because
of the weaponry that they have? And do you see
once some of these things are resolved, China and Russia
becoming tighter and maybe some concerns militarily. Speaking for the
(08:56):
United States.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Oh, I think no question that russ has come a bassal.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Stated of China already. I think that them telling Iran
holds their powder right now, it's because of they think
the men you know who will escalate. They don't still
want to see a conflict there. Iran has the most
to lose and then they have to go back and
rebuild it wrong. So the Chinese potentially still looking at Taiwan.
So the world remains at tinderbox, not just in them
mid the least, but in Europe as well as in
(09:21):
the Pacific right now. But from China's perspective, who's always
had a very patient approach to things, they just don't
want to see the escalation.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So I appreciate your time, Mike. Just great information as always,
and thanks for your time again today MIKESK wanting to
see military analyst for CNN and Who's Nation and others.
Jack Anna's Morning News.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
We're rolling on.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Bobby Ellas has our traffic right now? Scott Fitzgerald stand
of iye with sports
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Whim become a good
I always enjoyed talking to Mike Lyons, who joins us
CNN Reporter News Nation Reporter. You're reporting everywhere, Mike. Good
morning to use we talk all things military. How are you, Hey,
Good morning, Tony. It's crazy to be back to you.
Great to talk to you. So let's talk a little
bit about what's been happening in the Middle East. We've
got fighter jets squadrons going there. We already have another
(00:24):
look at a new submarine situation over there. What are
some of the things that we have here.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, so we saw last week that the Secretary Defense
wanted to Abraham Lincoln there that they couldn't get there
in time. It's going to take still to the three
weeks for them to deploy. When they were in Hawaii,
they were in Guam with an exercise and they've been
cold to now step it up, but it's they're gonna
have to violate a lot of physics in order for
that to happen. Get there with anytime soon. US of
(00:52):
Georgia we usually don't telegraph when we spend submarine someplace,
so we're doing it this time. If power doesn't necessarily
fire nuclear rounds, but tomahawk weapons on it as well,
really sending this message of deterrence there for Iran not
to do something, because it will provide an overhead overcover
(01:12):
for for Israel here to the range decided to attack
and then amp seb amphibious carrier groups are also them
to be deployed there, so more or less to the
poor the terrence though because of the fact that they
won't be able to get there on time. If Urane
decided to fire something tonight, let's say none of these
none of these assets would be really on station ready
(01:34):
to do anything.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Just yet.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Well, when we talked about why why this is happening,
it's because Iran right was struck as in a Hamas
political leader Ismail Honeyeah was assassinated in Iran. There's this
argument of obviously invading a sovereign nation, those kinds of things.
(01:59):
But you know, Ryan keeps poking the bear in Israel.
They don't They don't mess around when you poke them.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No. But I think in some ways, while we need
to support Israel with the military equipment and the like
of what we've been doing, and in particularly the air
defense systems that we that we help here, we should
put a little bit of a red line in that
where it has to do with you know, you know,
assassinating the political leader there or assassining the negotiator. Really
with what the Democrats needed in this point from a
(02:28):
political perspective was this cease fire agreement. UH. If they
had a ceasefire agreement in.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The next week or so, that would just.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know, calm things down, make things look like this
administrations really do something. They don't have that and more
or left down looks like bb net Yaho's is going
to escalate. So if if rockets come from HEAs lots
of the North, I think he's going to turn the
entire theory of the Israeli idea of UH in that
direction as well. And so I don't think he's looking
to help Joe Biden or help.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
This administration help of States right now.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I think I'd rather say Trump as president, which is
why he's going to, I think, continue to escalate. But
for sure, the Iranians, they haven't done anying yet as
they continue to try to kind of figure out what's
the best way to respond without escalating, because they still
have the most to lose enough situation.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You know, we've talked before and it's confounding to me
that we can have our men and women serving they're
in Iraq and now there's talk to them a scuttle,
but that maybe even Iraqis are contributing with either Hesbala
and or Iran on hurting our troops. We've seen more
(03:37):
explosions happening. When does the United States of America quit
putting up with some of these things or do you
think we are now?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
No, that's exactly right. So mean we don't have a
deterrence to Iran either. Other countries are not afraid. Look
at what the Huti's continue to do to the US forces.
They haven't stopped as well, and that's because of again,
this administration hasn't really set any kind of red line
anywhere with any of these other countries. These attacks, and
our soldiers are only responded with attack against maybe a
(04:09):
unit that they go after them or or a smaller
sized counter attack as opposed to what Israel does for
their deterrence. Israel's deterrence is disproportional responses, and because of that,
these countries think twice about it. For example, if the
Iranians decide to go after Israel and kill Israeli civilians well,
you're going to see ten times being on our rockets
(04:30):
go back in the other direction with regard to what
their response is going to do.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
But the United.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
States has not done that in the years now, and
I think we have to figure out and reset what
our deterrence is towards van We saw reports the other
day too that the Iranians don't want Donald Trump as
president because they recognize that they kind of get away
with this with the current administration. I mean, this administration
wants through something with them on, so they keep giving
them a past and it's allowing the molistic groups that
(04:58):
are on control to attack US forces. Is there, It's
really unsatisfactory.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
There are Palestinians and then there's Hamas. There is distinguishable traits,
not amongst the people per se as just people, but
what Hamas wants to do and what other people want
to do just to have some kind of freedom. How
do we delineate and work the Hamas is like rats
in a tunnel and they and then they're using tunnels
(05:23):
and getting civilians killed. How do we stop that? Is
there anyway?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No, it's no, it's very difficult, Tony. It's because of
the fact that the people still have chosen Sinemar and
that the leaders that they have are just unwilling to negotiate.
And if you look at history, it just still depends
on the leadership, which is why Israel is using the
speak application strategy both in Palistine in Gaza as well
(05:47):
as going after Hasbillah leaders now as well. You saw
them take out one of the Iranian Republican Guards generals
a few years ago to as well. So this is
their strategy until they can find leaders. Israel wants to
keep the conflict conventilate. They're not stopping until they find
a leader that says we surrender, here's the hostages back,
and let's figure out a way for peace. This whole
(06:08):
two state solution, I think it's so far down the
road right now, it's not even a Bible alternatives.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh yeah, not for a long long time, will be gone.
I think before anything like that could happen, I suspect
I wanted to get your take on the Russian invasion
of Ukraine and now Ukraine fighting back and apparently Ukraine
claims control of hundreds of square miles. What's up with
that and why is Zelenski doing this now?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Well, so you know they still can't banquish the Russian military,
so to speak, but they've done a weakness in their
lines here and going into Kursk and Minnesota beliefs that's there,
and I think it makes some sense for Ukraine military.
They don't want to sit there and get pounded on
the defensive side. You're in the military itself, that's what
you want to do. And they've been successful. Now they've
(06:54):
taken land inside of Russia, inside of certain places that
are I think just trying to upset what Vladimir Putin
is doing. Maybe it could be used as a way
for his people to recognize that things aren't going well,
force him to mobilize again. They find this weakness in
the line there. What's the long term strategy, I just
(07:14):
don't know. Then we'll be able to hold this land.
They're still lost twenty percent of their own land in
the Dome Back area and Primea as well. But it's
a moving forward step and perhaps we'll put some pressure negotiations.
I don't think anything's changing in Ukraine until we have
a different administration. Frankly on either side will be able
to accomplish their objectives with our military.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
With that in mind, as I understand it. I think
that Putin was wanting to do something in the winner
to again attack sources of heat, all those kinds of
different things, and add what hundreds of thousands of more troops.
Is this just maybe a deterrent by Ukraine, or at
least a thought of deterrent.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well it started. It does create a problem for Russia.
It possibly delays that again they're going to have to mobilize.
Russia still has not done things like gone after that
grid in a way that it's shored its destruction. You
still know, cyber for example, we haven't seen in that conflict.
They're going on all over three years now, so lots
(08:16):
of different tools still that Russia you had thought have
used by now, they just haven't done that. The terrence,
it's very difficult. Russia still has the upper hand because
of the equipment, because of the amount of people they
can still throw at this which has just been a
complete way. You know, there's hundreds of thousands of Russian
troops that have been killed and named and injured in
this this conflict for no real reason, all.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Right, real quick, and that is with China and Russia.
They both have told Aron to you know, hold your horses,
don't don't don't attack Israel right now? Is that because
of the weaponry that they have? And do you see
once some of these things are resolved, China and Russia
becoming tighter and maybe some concerns militarily. Speaking for the
(08:56):
United States.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Oh, I think no question that russ has come a bassal.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Stated of China already. I think that them telling Iran
holds their powder right now, it's because of they think
the men you know who will escalate. They don't still
want to see a conflict there. Iran has the most
to lose and then they have to go back and
rebuild it wrong. So the Chinese potentially still looking at Taiwan.
So the world remains at tinderbox, not just in them
mid the least, but in Europe as well as in
(09:21):
the Pacific right now. But from China's perspective, who's always
had a very patient approach to things, they just don't
want to see the escalation.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So I appreciate your time, Mike. Just great information as always,
and thanks for your time again today MIKESK wanting to
see military analyst for CNN and Who's Nation and others.
Jack Anna's Morning News.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
We're rolling on.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Bobby Ellas has our traffic right now? Scott Fitzgerald stand
of iye with sports
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Whim become a good
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