September 6, 2024 • 6 mins
"After 30 years of working school and workplace shootings, we are still looking at the same shooter showing the same signs. The solution is not that difficult so why do we keep having the same conversation?" So says Chief Executive Officer, with the Viollis group, Paul Michael Viollis, Sr. He joins Tony with a discussion about where we go from here.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning. I'm Tony Cruz. A press conference early last
night Georgia Bureau of Investigation Director Chris Hosey announcing that
fifty four year old Colin Ray, the father of the
suspect in Wednesday school shooting and Georgia, was arrested on
a list of charge, is.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Charged with a following four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two
counts of second degree murder, and eight counts of cruelty
to children.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
We turned down to Paul Violis an expert in the
field of just everything when it comes to security. He
of course is the chief executive of Violist Group International,
serving as CEO of Risk Control Strategies, President's CEO of
Corporate Risk count consulting many, many things. And Paul, I
don't even have time to list what accomplishments you've made
(00:48):
in your career, but we thank you for joining us
this morning. What do you make of what we saw yesterday?
And is this a new thing we're seeing that parents
now could be held accountable with their kids killed kids?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You know what, Tony, I've had the pleasure of joining
on a number of occasions, and I will tell you
that the unfortunate thing about this is consistency and force
the ability. We are not seeing anything new. This is
the same person. In fact, I have been working school
shootings in a workplace of violence reality shooting since nineteen
eighty five, Tony. Not that I'm dating myself, but we
(01:23):
are still looking at the same shooter. We're looking at
the same pedigree of the shooter, We're looking at the
same preemptive actions the shooter takes, says, the predictability to
force the ability. So that's not uncommon. What is different, though,
is we are seeing parents that are being charged and
in some cases convicted with being complicit with respect to
(01:45):
the shooting itself. In this particular case, Tony, this is
a blatant and overt example of a parent who in
May of twenty twenty three is told by the FBI
and the local shows apartment that his son is online
spewing hate and planning a workplace silent shooting, and then
(02:06):
in December he buys them an ARS fifteen rifle. I mean,
how many ways can you spell stupidity and being irresponsible?
So clearly he's going to have a daunting task in
defending his actions in that case.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, that's an interesting case that you make there because
yah see in May twenty twenty three that Gray the
Cold Gray was known to the FBI after several tips
came in about him last year. He was when he
was a thirteen year old, those kinds of things. What
can law enforcement do? Law enforcement said, We looked into it,
(02:40):
he didn't do anything. Are their hands tied in this case?
You just have to wait until this kid does is
going to do something.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And you know what, Tony, I'm so glad you asked that.
It's more than a poignant question because it comes down
to educating the public on what the term probable cause is, right,
because that in TVs and moving But at the end
of the day, the people really understand what probable cause
is and in an often case, the answer is no.
So probable cause is the facts, the circumstances, the knowledge
(03:13):
that police have to have regarding the material elements or
the requirements of a particular law, and they have to
have them from what's referred to as reasonably trustworthy sources
that would warrant the proof to present to a prosecutor
(03:33):
that an individual has committed said crime or his planning
to commit said crime. That's probable cause, Tony, What they
said was based on the social media posts from the
shooter last May, that they did not have probable cause
to affect that arrest at that particular time for planning
(03:54):
and shooting. I'd have to see them to comment. I
haven't seen them for I don't know. They will be
public record, so we'll all be able to see them.
But that was the reason and the basis they used
for not charging him.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Then apparently the kid also was I don't remember exactly
which story, but he certainly had an obsession about this
kind of thing. And we keep hearing about these obsessions
with these young, mainly white males in these kind of
cases in school shootings. What's going on there?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, again, Tony, we go back to consistency when we
break down the individual to shoot of the pedigree or
from referred to as the behavioral profile of the shooter itself.
Predominantly white, predominantly male, predominantly with respect to school shootings,
predominantly you know, the average age sixteen in this case,
(04:47):
the kid's fourteen, but loner, quiet, socially awkward, cuts class,
bullied and kicked on by different kids, made fun of
by teachers, fascination with guns, and a survivalist lifestyle check
check check, check check. All of this comes back to
this particular kid. No surprise, because we know that to
be true. This Tony, though, it begs the question, why,
(05:11):
why in this day and age are we not educating
teachers and not educating students on the predictability of school
of violence, the behaviors and individuals going to show, and
spending the money to insert into our school systems the
preemptive risk mitigation and threat mitigation tools that we need
(05:32):
to address this before it matures to a shooting. This
blows my mind. He thinks, well, let's let's come up
with some money, and you know, let's let's handle exterior
perimeter and more cameras and lock the doors. In essence, Tony,
I agree with that, but it's myopic. We're locking the
threat inside the school. That's why we keep seeing this.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
He is a global consultant. Just a great job guy,
by Paul. Appreciate your time, Paul viole Alis with the
Viols Group International, and we're so thankful that we have
you to help us in these kind of cases. And
some excellent points made today by you, as usual, Thank yous, Paul,
Paul viol Us here in news radio, A forty w h.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Walk in the glasses. It's so goodeful it's out of sight.
You protect it.
Good morning. I'm Tony Cruz. A press conference early last
night Georgia Bureau of Investigation Director Chris Hosey announcing that
fifty four year old Colin Ray, the father of the
suspect in Wednesday school shooting and Georgia, was arrested on
a list of charge, is.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Charged with a following four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two
counts of second degree murder, and eight counts of cruelty
to children.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
We turned down to Paul Violis an expert in the
field of just everything when it comes to security. He
of course is the chief executive of Violist Group International,
serving as CEO of Risk Control Strategies, President's CEO of
Corporate Risk count consulting many, many things. And Paul, I
don't even have time to list what accomplishments you've made
(00:48):
in your career, but we thank you for joining us
this morning. What do you make of what we saw yesterday?
And is this a new thing we're seeing that parents
now could be held accountable with their kids killed kids?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You know what, Tony, I've had the pleasure of joining
on a number of occasions, and I will tell you
that the unfortunate thing about this is consistency and force
the ability. We are not seeing anything new. This is
the same person. In fact, I have been working school
shootings in a workplace of violence reality shooting since nineteen
eighty five, Tony. Not that I'm dating myself, but we
(01:23):
are still looking at the same shooter. We're looking at
the same pedigree of the shooter, We're looking at the
same preemptive actions the shooter takes, says, the predictability to
force the ability. So that's not uncommon. What is different, though,
is we are seeing parents that are being charged and
in some cases convicted with being complicit with respect to
(01:45):
the shooting itself. In this particular case, Tony, this is
a blatant and overt example of a parent who in
May of twenty twenty three is told by the FBI
and the local shows apartment that his son is online
spewing hate and planning a workplace silent shooting, and then
(02:06):
in December he buys them an ARS fifteen rifle. I mean,
how many ways can you spell stupidity and being irresponsible?
So clearly he's going to have a daunting task in
defending his actions in that case.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, that's an interesting case that you make there because
yah see in May twenty twenty three that Gray the
Cold Gray was known to the FBI after several tips
came in about him last year. He was when he
was a thirteen year old, those kinds of things. What
can law enforcement do? Law enforcement said, We looked into it,
(02:40):
he didn't do anything. Are their hands tied in this case?
You just have to wait until this kid does is
going to do something.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And you know what, Tony, I'm so glad you asked that.
It's more than a poignant question because it comes down
to educating the public on what the term probable cause is, right,
because that in TVs and moving But at the end
of the day, the people really understand what probable cause
is and in an often case, the answer is no.
So probable cause is the facts, the circumstances, the knowledge
(03:13):
that police have to have regarding the material elements or
the requirements of a particular law, and they have to
have them from what's referred to as reasonably trustworthy sources
that would warrant the proof to present to a prosecutor
(03:33):
that an individual has committed said crime or his planning
to commit said crime. That's probable cause, Tony, What they
said was based on the social media posts from the
shooter last May, that they did not have probable cause
to affect that arrest at that particular time for planning
(03:54):
and shooting. I'd have to see them to comment. I
haven't seen them for I don't know. They will be
public record, so we'll all be able to see them.
But that was the reason and the basis they used
for not charging him.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Then apparently the kid also was I don't remember exactly
which story, but he certainly had an obsession about this
kind of thing. And we keep hearing about these obsessions
with these young, mainly white males in these kind of
cases in school shootings. What's going on there?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, again, Tony, we go back to consistency when we
break down the individual to shoot of the pedigree or
from referred to as the behavioral profile of the shooter itself.
Predominantly white, predominantly male, predominantly with respect to school shootings,
predominantly you know, the average age sixteen in this case,
(04:47):
the kid's fourteen, but loner, quiet, socially awkward, cuts class,
bullied and kicked on by different kids, made fun of
by teachers, fascination with guns, and a survivalist lifestyle check
check check, check check. All of this comes back to
this particular kid. No surprise, because we know that to
be true. This Tony, though, it begs the question, why,
(05:11):
why in this day and age are we not educating
teachers and not educating students on the predictability of school
of violence, the behaviors and individuals going to show, and
spending the money to insert into our school systems the
preemptive risk mitigation and threat mitigation tools that we need
(05:32):
to address this before it matures to a shooting. This
blows my mind. He thinks, well, let's let's come up
with some money, and you know, let's let's handle exterior
perimeter and more cameras and lock the doors. In essence, Tony,
I agree with that, but it's myopic. We're locking the
threat inside the school. That's why we keep seeing this.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
He is a global consultant. Just a great job guy,
by Paul. Appreciate your time, Paul viole Alis with the
Viols Group International, and we're so thankful that we have
you to help us in these kind of cases. And
some excellent points made today by you, as usual, Thank yous, Paul,
Paul viol Us here in news radio, A forty w h.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Walk in the glasses. It's so goodeful it's out of sight.
You protect it.
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