September 12, 2024 • 9 mins
After altercations with police, what can we learn from Tyreek Hill and Scottie Scheffler? Law enforcement analyst Paul Viollis joins Tony with a look.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Remembers for a cops. We've had conversations. Yes, I will
say I could have been better, you know, I could
have let down my window, you know, in that instant.
But I don't want attention. I don't I don't want
to be like cameras out phones on you, you know,
in that moment. But at the end of the day,
I'm human. I gotta I gotta follow rules. I gotta
(00:24):
do what everyone else would do. Does that give them
the right to literally beat the dog out of me?
Absolutely not. But at the end of the day, I
wish I could go back and you know, do things
a bit differently.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
That's Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tyreek Hill. Most of us
have seen either the video or heard the story that
he was speeding about three hours for the Dolphins season
opener on Sunday, and it looked like people's being jerked
around from a pretty rough there. Paul Violist is joining
US law enforcement analysts and author extraordinary and so many
(00:59):
books got to start reading these polls at some point.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Good to you.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know, what do we learn from the Tyreek Hill incident?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
You know, Tony, that's the key word, is what we
should all take away from it right. Thank god, no
one was hurt. So I think that's the primary thing.
But what we look at on that video, and again
very important we pay attention to this is really one
what not to do at a traffic stop, and I'll
explain that in the second but important here is what
police procedure is or a traffic stop and what the
(01:31):
use of force is. We keep hearing about. You know,
Tyreek Hill is now saying that the cops beat the
dog out of him. Obviously that that didn't happen. But
the paramount part also for the public to understand is
what officers safety means to a police officer. Now, as
somebody that retired as a commanding officer of the State
Police Academy, I will tell you on equivocally is that
(01:51):
the one aspect of police service that drive into men
and women is officers safety. So what do we have
is very simple. Cop gets a call on a radio.
It's only he's sitting on the side of the road.
We've got seeing it, gets cor on a radio that
there's a vehicle that he needs to stop. He identifies
the vehicle till is driving with his window down, and
(02:12):
we see that once the cop approaches he pulls into
the side. Once he's approaching, he puts the window up right.
At that point, Hill has escalated the traffic stop because
the officer's got to be thinking because he have a weapon.
Cop knocks on the window. He puts the window down,
lowers it over the way, hands him his license. But
(02:33):
at the same time, in an argumenta a tone, he
tells the cop, don't knock on my window like that.
Now I can tell you if that's me. If that's me,
you just changed the entire posture of that traffic stop.
As a civilian, if you are pulled over in that
particular case, that's definitely not what to do. At that point,
he raises the window up. Now he has a problem
(02:56):
because the cop has to be thinking is he hiding
drugs or does he have a weapon? What if he's
doing he doesn't want me to see. This is what
the cops thinking. Cop instruction three times, keep the window down.
Hill will respond, and this is when Hill has now
constituted the use of force to escalate. Hill tells him,
don't tell me what to do. At that point, if
(03:18):
to be given the lawcal order, breaking the law, having
to be pulled off to the side of the road.
The cops says, Okay, now he's coming out of the car.
How does he do it? His technique of removing him
from the car and not touching the back of his head,
but by the topping his shoulders and by his arm.
There's an armbar approach, somewhat of an armbar approach, and
(03:40):
removing him from the vehicle. He doesn't slam him for
the ground. In fact, three of them put him on
the ground. There's nothing wrong with that, and it follows
the use of force nature, so there's no level of
excessive force there. So as you break this thing down, Tony,
the police really did absolutely nothing wrong in this case.
And I'm not saying that they don't do things wrong,
(04:00):
and I'm not saying that there aren't a pleasor of
cases of excessive force. This one is not one of them.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I think that a lot of people. Sometimes I've
seen people get arrested regardless you know of you know,
their standing for their race or anything else. It always
looks aggressive because the police, to your point, don't know
who you are or what you're doing. Let's bring up
another situation, Paul. You'll remember during the PGA Championship here
(04:31):
in Louisville. The LMPD got a little bit ridiculed by
some people because there was a man that was killed
right there during the PGA Championship in the dark on
Shelbyville Road. Well, obviously you have a police presence there.
Scotti Scheffer decided to kind of get around the system
and tried to turn left and he was subsequently arrested.
(04:54):
Some people thought that it was pretty rough what was
going on with the police. But like I said before,
people don't understand the police don't know who you are
necessarily at that time. What's your read on these kind
of cases.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Think that's a good example, Tony. Look at that for
a second, and the granted there's not a lot of
video there as opposed to the one that we looked
at with him, but you have a situation where the
police has structured vehicles to be stopped, and that means
that for all the listeners if you are in that situation,
and I get it. Look, there may be things going
(05:28):
on in everybody's life inside each and every vehicle where
you don't have time for that. I completely get it,
you know, but at the end of the day, the
moment you start to move away from that, like Scheffler did,
you are telling police you have something to hide. You
are now just not only are you violating the first
level of the use of force matrix, which are verbal
(05:50):
commands where the police is struck, but you're also placing
yourself in a situation where what Chefler did was he
escalated because he started to take off away from the
actual required stock. So the thing that you need to
take away from that and LMPD get beat up on that,
and I can tell you unjustly not that there are again, Tony,
(06:14):
there are a plethora of cases where we got cops
that just blatantly use excessive force. I'm looking at one
in North Florida right now, which is horrible. But that
wasn't it. So the thing to take away from that
is understand that when you are involved in the traffic stop,
police are taught this is the most dangerous part of
your job, second to none, more dangerous than a domestic
(06:38):
and there are certain procedures they have to file to
control that situation. The smart play is follow instructions.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Tony, Well, I'm going to go play the butt guy
here for a second. I'm innocent. I didn't do anything
I didn't even you know, I had my signal at
the turn, all this kind of things. So I understand
that you have the right to your innocence, but some people,
I think don't understand that the police are pulling you
over for a reason regardless. And we seem to have
(07:09):
a lot more contention with police officers during traffic stops
than we've had in any time in my life period.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And you're right, and I will tell you who the
people that created that problem are, the police themselves and
the amount of cops that have abused their authority by
not having probable cause in order to affect the stop.
And god knows, there's plenty of them, right if they're
not the authority, but there's plenty of them, so they've
created that. And I completely get that, there's no question
(07:37):
about that. But it still doesn't escape the fact that
there are some simple things you need to do when
you're getting pulled over and lower putting your window up
when the cop is trying to talk to you, telling
the cop what you're not going to do. These are
things that are escalating. Never let the cops think that
something else is going on and it's not. That's the
(07:58):
point Tony.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
All right, give us the a big three or a
big four that you do as the person that's being
pulled over.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Put the window down, turn the radio, say turn the
music off. Put your hands on the steering wheel of
the dashboard where the police officer can see them, and
then follow instructions. It's relatively that simple to everyone listening.
If you do not feel safe when you are driving
in your area, and you do not trust how you're
(08:27):
going to be treated, there are inexpensive cameras that you
can put on your dashboard. They're very inexpensive today, and
they will capture everything and it goes right up to
the cloud, so that if God forbid, something were to
happen and you get pulled over, you will be always
able to document what happened. Police will see that as well,
(08:48):
in addition to whether or not they're actually putting the
body cam on or off. So those are the top
things I would suggest.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Goldie, Paul, you're just great. We appreciate your time as always,
Paul VI all this law enforcement analyst and author, Thanks
for giving us as such a so much of your
precious time. I know you do a lot of work
and I appreciate it. So much, although, all right, you
take care. News Radio A forty whas Katuck Anna's Morning News.
We've got traffic issues, Bobby Elvis. We'll go through those
(09:17):
in just seconds. Here the forecast coming up in Scottish
Terrebel sports all on the way here on Kentuck Hanna's
Warning News.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Let him go, Venniss, you've better what jose down are
you looking at? You'll say, Sim's won't tell you that
cut you down a size. Don't know it like that,
don't know it like that.
Remembers for a cops. We've had conversations. Yes, I will
say I could have been better, you know, I could
have let down my window, you know, in that instant.
But I don't want attention. I don't I don't want
to be like cameras out phones on you, you know,
in that moment. But at the end of the day,
I'm human. I gotta I gotta follow rules. I gotta
(00:24):
do what everyone else would do. Does that give them
the right to literally beat the dog out of me?
Absolutely not. But at the end of the day, I
wish I could go back and you know, do things
a bit differently.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
That's Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tyreek Hill. Most of us
have seen either the video or heard the story that
he was speeding about three hours for the Dolphins season
opener on Sunday, and it looked like people's being jerked
around from a pretty rough there. Paul Violist is joining
US law enforcement analysts and author extraordinary and so many
(00:59):
books got to start reading these polls at some point.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Good to you.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know, what do we learn from the Tyreek Hill incident?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
You know, Tony, that's the key word, is what we
should all take away from it right. Thank god, no
one was hurt. So I think that's the primary thing.
But what we look at on that video, and again
very important we pay attention to this is really one
what not to do at a traffic stop, and I'll
explain that in the second but important here is what
police procedure is or a traffic stop and what the
(01:31):
use of force is. We keep hearing about. You know,
Tyreek Hill is now saying that the cops beat the
dog out of him. Obviously that that didn't happen. But
the paramount part also for the public to understand is
what officers safety means to a police officer. Now, as
somebody that retired as a commanding officer of the State
Police Academy, I will tell you on equivocally is that
(01:51):
the one aspect of police service that drive into men
and women is officers safety. So what do we have
is very simple. Cop gets a call on a radio.
It's only he's sitting on the side of the road.
We've got seeing it, gets cor on a radio that
there's a vehicle that he needs to stop. He identifies
the vehicle till is driving with his window down, and
(02:12):
we see that once the cop approaches he pulls into
the side. Once he's approaching, he puts the window up right.
At that point, Hill has escalated the traffic stop because
the officer's got to be thinking because he have a weapon.
Cop knocks on the window. He puts the window down,
lowers it over the way, hands him his license. But
(02:33):
at the same time, in an argumenta a tone, he
tells the cop, don't knock on my window like that.
Now I can tell you if that's me. If that's me,
you just changed the entire posture of that traffic stop.
As a civilian, if you are pulled over in that
particular case, that's definitely not what to do. At that point,
he raises the window up. Now he has a problem
(02:56):
because the cop has to be thinking is he hiding
drugs or does he have a weapon? What if he's
doing he doesn't want me to see. This is what
the cops thinking. Cop instruction three times, keep the window down.
Hill will respond, and this is when Hill has now
constituted the use of force to escalate. Hill tells him,
don't tell me what to do. At that point, if
(03:18):
to be given the lawcal order, breaking the law, having
to be pulled off to the side of the road.
The cops says, Okay, now he's coming out of the car.
How does he do it? His technique of removing him
from the car and not touching the back of his head,
but by the topping his shoulders and by his arm.
There's an armbar approach, somewhat of an armbar approach, and
(03:40):
removing him from the vehicle. He doesn't slam him for
the ground. In fact, three of them put him on
the ground. There's nothing wrong with that, and it follows
the use of force nature, so there's no level of
excessive force there. So as you break this thing down, Tony,
the police really did absolutely nothing wrong in this case.
And I'm not saying that they don't do things wrong,
(04:00):
and I'm not saying that there aren't a pleasor of
cases of excessive force. This one is not one of them.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I think that a lot of people. Sometimes I've
seen people get arrested regardless you know of you know,
their standing for their race or anything else. It always
looks aggressive because the police, to your point, don't know
who you are or what you're doing. Let's bring up
another situation, Paul. You'll remember during the PGA Championship here
(04:31):
in Louisville. The LMPD got a little bit ridiculed by
some people because there was a man that was killed
right there during the PGA Championship in the dark on
Shelbyville Road. Well, obviously you have a police presence there.
Scotti Scheffer decided to kind of get around the system
and tried to turn left and he was subsequently arrested.
(04:54):
Some people thought that it was pretty rough what was
going on with the police. But like I said before,
people don't understand the police don't know who you are
necessarily at that time. What's your read on these kind
of cases.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Think that's a good example, Tony. Look at that for
a second, and the granted there's not a lot of
video there as opposed to the one that we looked
at with him, but you have a situation where the
police has structured vehicles to be stopped, and that means
that for all the listeners if you are in that situation,
and I get it. Look, there may be things going
(05:28):
on in everybody's life inside each and every vehicle where
you don't have time for that. I completely get it,
you know, but at the end of the day, the
moment you start to move away from that, like Scheffler did,
you are telling police you have something to hide. You
are now just not only are you violating the first
level of the use of force matrix, which are verbal
(05:50):
commands where the police is struck, but you're also placing
yourself in a situation where what Chefler did was he
escalated because he started to take off away from the
actual required stock. So the thing that you need to
take away from that and LMPD get beat up on that,
and I can tell you unjustly not that there are again, Tony,
(06:14):
there are a plethora of cases where we got cops
that just blatantly use excessive force. I'm looking at one
in North Florida right now, which is horrible. But that
wasn't it. So the thing to take away from that
is understand that when you are involved in the traffic stop,
police are taught this is the most dangerous part of
your job, second to none, more dangerous than a domestic
(06:38):
and there are certain procedures they have to file to
control that situation. The smart play is follow instructions.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Tony, Well, I'm going to go play the butt guy
here for a second. I'm innocent. I didn't do anything
I didn't even you know, I had my signal at
the turn, all this kind of things. So I understand
that you have the right to your innocence, but some people,
I think don't understand that the police are pulling you
over for a reason regardless. And we seem to have
(07:09):
a lot more contention with police officers during traffic stops
than we've had in any time in my life period.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And you're right, and I will tell you who the
people that created that problem are, the police themselves and
the amount of cops that have abused their authority by
not having probable cause in order to affect the stop.
And god knows, there's plenty of them, right if they're
not the authority, but there's plenty of them, so they've
created that. And I completely get that, there's no question
(07:37):
about that. But it still doesn't escape the fact that
there are some simple things you need to do when
you're getting pulled over and lower putting your window up
when the cop is trying to talk to you, telling
the cop what you're not going to do. These are
things that are escalating. Never let the cops think that
something else is going on and it's not. That's the
(07:58):
point Tony.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
All right, give us the a big three or a
big four that you do as the person that's being
pulled over.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Put the window down, turn the radio, say turn the
music off. Put your hands on the steering wheel of
the dashboard where the police officer can see them, and
then follow instructions. It's relatively that simple to everyone listening.
If you do not feel safe when you are driving
in your area, and you do not trust how you're
(08:27):
going to be treated, there are inexpensive cameras that you
can put on your dashboard. They're very inexpensive today, and
they will capture everything and it goes right up to
the cloud, so that if God forbid, something were to
happen and you get pulled over, you will be always
able to document what happened. Police will see that as well,
(08:48):
in addition to whether or not they're actually putting the
body cam on or off. So those are the top
things I would suggest.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Goldie, Paul, you're just great. We appreciate your time as always,
Paul VI all this law enforcement analyst and author, Thanks
for giving us as such a so much of your
precious time. I know you do a lot of work
and I appreciate it. So much, although, all right, you
take care. News Radio A forty whas Katuck Anna's Morning News.
We've got traffic issues, Bobby Elvis. We'll go through those
(09:17):
in just seconds. Here the forecast coming up in Scottish
Terrebel sports all on the way here on Kentuck Hanna's
Warning News.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Let him go, Venniss, you've better what jose down are
you looking at? You'll say, Sim's won't tell you that
cut you down a size. Don't know it like that,
don't know it like that.
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