September 18, 2024 • 8 mins
Israel is reportedly responsible for the hundreds of pagers that blew up simultaneously across Lebanon Tuesday. The New York Times cites American and other officials saying Israel targeted members of Hezbollah. Military Analyst Mike Lyons joins Tony with his analysis on this approroach!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, according to the reports, I've seen eleven people killed
around you take three to four thousand injured yesterday when
pagers used for communications by the Iranian backed militant group
has Bala has Ballah exploded in Levin and joining us
to talk about this is Mike Lyons. Mike, this is
like a Tom Clancy novel type of situation.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good morning, Tony. What an incredible story here just shows
a level of warfare that just goes beyond just you know,
large armored vehicle movement formations and aviation assets. I mean,
this is you know, attacking your enemy's supply chain, getting
inside of that, knowing that they were pivoting to this
communication device. We knew back a few months ago the
(00:45):
HESBA leaders were saying that the Israelis were tracking them
on cell phones. They decided to go to pages as
a way to communicate, and Israeli looks at this as
a tremendous opportunity and intercepts that the supply chain inserts.
It's just enough explosive device to make a difference there,
and and and just just the whole engineering behind that.
Again top to bottom, what an incredible uh counter terrorism
(01:08):
attack against a very targeted military that's embedded in the
civilian population. So I just love every aspect of the story.
It's it's very cool and it really you know, it
begs the question of what else is Israel capable of?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, well, obviously Mosad is probably the best when it
comes to what we would call our CIA, you know,
kind of operatives with these kinds of things. With that
in mind, I'm interested from the standpoint how this is
resonating in the US, how it's resonating for those people
that are concerned about you know, not Hamas necessarily, but yeah,
(01:43):
the Palestinians, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, so what First of all, Israel has stepped up
its offensive operations in the South and Gaza air strikes.
They are putting their front on the gas. When it
comes to trying to go after Hamas leaders. They believe
that if they can do this, they're going after, for example,
ways that Hamas has been distributing the aid because they
(02:06):
just feel that they're not doing that well enough. So
they are they're not stopping whatsoever. You combine that with
this attack to the north has blows is their enemy
to the north. They're still very much in this war
footing posture and from the initially the thoughts that were said,
you know months ago when BB said, you know, there's
a time for peace and time for war. So some
(02:28):
will view this as an antagonistic you know, acceleration or escalation.
But in my view, you know, Hezblow has been fighting
rockets at Israel for the past eight months, nine ten
thousand rockets into those border errors, causing civilians to be displaced.
They're already at war on some level anyway, So I
think Israel is just you know, this preemptive strike really
(02:48):
could put Hesbel fighters on their heels that if they
decide to do something, then Israel basically saying bring it.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah. That that is a really interesting from the standpoint. Also,
what do you think about that, like in mixed communities.
I mean, we know that there were people just shopping
and a young a young girl got killed, but her
apparently her dad was part of the husband of Parliament
or something of that nature as well.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Right well, from the from the law land warfare, it's
very targeted. If if you had one of these pajors,
I mean you were you were asbi of a terrorist fighter,
right you know, from from that perspective against a country
that doesn't pay attention to that anyway on some level.
But so no, I think Israel UH is going to
be lauded and in some ways showing this level of
(03:37):
competency when it comes to this if the well, we'll
see you're seeing reactions. I've seen actually reactions in the
Arab community that actually are making fun of the leaders
of that organization for for not being you know, kind
of bright enough that this was going to happen to them.
So this could this could pivot that that mentality within
the Arab street. I mean, having respect for your enemy
(03:59):
on some level is going to make sure that you
live to fight another day.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Talking to major Mike Lions joining us here from CNN
and many other outlets as well, including this radio station.
We love talking to Mike all things military. Mike, I
wanted to ask you the question hamas we know cowardly
uses its own citizens to hide in plain sight, and
that causes a lot of consternation. And certainly we know
(04:26):
in the West as far as the way media goes
about reporting these things, what about Hesbala? Are they embraced
by the Lebanon citizens or do they just have to
put up with it? Are these just two cartels that
have taken over their countries.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
What are they now. It's just very similar to what's
going on in Gaza to cartels that have taken over
their countries that the people there are held hostage by
the leaders there and have been since, you know, since
back in the eighties in the like and unfortunate situation
because that part of the world used to be a
different place. People would go vacation there and probably shouted
(05:02):
back in the e's and when Reagan was president, remember
we had that situation where the marine barracks were bombed
in Lebanon and the United States decides to pull out
at that point, and then Israel has gone to war
inside there with those terrorist groups there for many years.
But they're they're their latest in the terrorist organizations that
run those groups, and Hesbro was probably more sophisticated than
(05:23):
Hamaster Monday Launderer. They're tighter with Iran because of their
proximity with Israel and their capability to runch launch rockets
and missiles. They fired over eight to ten thousand over
the last few months there, So they're more sophisticated in enemy.
They don't have the same you know, same kind of
tactics equipment wise supplied all from the Iranians, which is
(05:43):
you know, this is an embarrassment for Iran as well
as there as their proxy force suffers this incredible intelligence
hit operation.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
What kind of pressure does this put on the current
administration and the election at all?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well, I think this administration is doing everything you can
to get Israel to stop, because they want to have
a peace treaty and they want to claim victory, and
they want they think that's going to happen. And as
days go by, further and further, Israel is not paying
attention to this administration, frankly, and I'm a little bit
disappointed that in the United States we've decided that politics
is more important than foreign policy or or American security,
(06:19):
because it's in the American's best interest to see Hamas
defeated and has Blahs subdued and the like in these
organizations and gone after. So it's a victory for America
when this happens yesterday as well. Unfortunately, this administration doesn't
see it that way because they're just looking to get
votes in the different parts of the country to appease
groups that believe that Israel is still at fault here.
(06:40):
You had Kamala Harris go on an yesterday and talk
about her leverage over Israel stopping bombings, and you're never
blaming really Israel for what's going and blaming Hamas for
what's going on there. So this is the first administration
I've seen in history that uses politics over what's in
the best centris of America. And that's kind of a
sad comment about what they're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
It's it's very interesting to see, you know this in
plain sight. Of course, anytime you see violence, and I've
talked to people just sharing, you know, anytime you see
somebody get arrested, sometimes it may look a little rough,
but you don't know all the things that are going on.
A lot of Americans, myself included, don't really understand, you know, uh,
you know when you hide behind them. But let's say
(07:21):
a Palestinian flag or whatever the case may be, what
we're talking about here, when we have some nefarious operations
of people that have no determination or deciding in their
own lives because of these cartels. If the most cartels
took over it and such, we would have the same
thing on the southern border. And they're taking over more
and more.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Anyway, it's the same thing. And these organizations had the
opportunities to grow their countries and to even from it,
let's say, on the dictator side, even if they are
dictatorship and they don't have democracy, but they could still
have capitalism and they could still move things forward. They
don't choose to do that. Instead they be proxies for
these other terrorist organizations like the Iranians. I mean, the
(08:04):
Uranians are sit back on their heels now as well.
They're moving quickly on their nuclear capability. And this is
another great example of could you imagine if Iran does
get a nuclear capability and this capability to launch it,
I think Israel would be in real big trouble because
the Ranians wouldn't hesitate to use it offensively.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Oh, no question about it. And maybe other places in
the West for sure. Mike, appreciate your time as always,
thanks for giving us some clarification here this morning on
News Radio eight forty whas Scott Fitzgerald has sports coming
your way. Next, John Channel of the News, Todd of
the Holo watch him become a good
Well, according to the reports, I've seen eleven people killed
around you take three to four thousand injured yesterday when
pagers used for communications by the Iranian backed militant group
has Bala has Ballah exploded in Levin and joining us
to talk about this is Mike Lyons. Mike, this is
like a Tom Clancy novel type of situation.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good morning, Tony. What an incredible story here just shows
a level of warfare that just goes beyond just you know,
large armored vehicle movement formations and aviation assets. I mean,
this is you know, attacking your enemy's supply chain, getting
inside of that, knowing that they were pivoting to this
communication device. We knew back a few months ago the
(00:45):
HESBA leaders were saying that the Israelis were tracking them
on cell phones. They decided to go to pages as
a way to communicate, and Israeli looks at this as
a tremendous opportunity and intercepts that the supply chain inserts.
It's just enough explosive device to make a difference there,
and and and just just the whole engineering behind that.
Again top to bottom, what an incredible uh counter terrorism
(01:08):
attack against a very targeted military that's embedded in the
civilian population. So I just love every aspect of the story.
It's it's very cool and it really you know, it
begs the question of what else is Israel capable of?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, well, obviously Mosad is probably the best when it
comes to what we would call our CIA, you know,
kind of operatives with these kinds of things. With that
in mind, I'm interested from the standpoint how this is
resonating in the US, how it's resonating for those people
that are concerned about you know, not Hamas necessarily, but yeah,
(01:43):
the Palestinians, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, so what First of all, Israel has stepped up
its offensive operations in the South and Gaza air strikes.
They are putting their front on the gas. When it
comes to trying to go after Hamas leaders. They believe
that if they can do this, they're going after, for example,
ways that Hamas has been distributing the aid because they
(02:06):
just feel that they're not doing that well enough. So
they are they're not stopping whatsoever. You combine that with
this attack to the north has blows is their enemy
to the north. They're still very much in this war
footing posture and from the initially the thoughts that were said,
you know months ago when BB said, you know, there's
a time for peace and time for war. So some
(02:28):
will view this as an antagonistic you know, acceleration or escalation.
But in my view, you know, Hezblow has been fighting
rockets at Israel for the past eight months, nine ten
thousand rockets into those border errors, causing civilians to be displaced.
They're already at war on some level anyway, So I
think Israel is just you know, this preemptive strike really
(02:48):
could put Hesbel fighters on their heels that if they
decide to do something, then Israel basically saying bring it.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah. That that is a really interesting from the standpoint. Also,
what do you think about that, like in mixed communities.
I mean, we know that there were people just shopping
and a young a young girl got killed, but her
apparently her dad was part of the husband of Parliament
or something of that nature as well.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Right well, from the from the law land warfare, it's
very targeted. If if you had one of these pajors,
I mean you were you were asbi of a terrorist fighter,
right you know, from from that perspective against a country
that doesn't pay attention to that anyway on some level.
But so no, I think Israel UH is going to
be lauded and in some ways showing this level of
(03:37):
competency when it comes to this if the well, we'll
see you're seeing reactions. I've seen actually reactions in the
Arab community that actually are making fun of the leaders
of that organization for for not being you know, kind
of bright enough that this was going to happen to them.
So this could this could pivot that that mentality within
the Arab street. I mean, having respect for your enemy
(03:59):
on some level is going to make sure that you
live to fight another day.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Talking to major Mike Lions joining us here from CNN
and many other outlets as well, including this radio station.
We love talking to Mike all things military. Mike, I
wanted to ask you the question hamas we know cowardly
uses its own citizens to hide in plain sight, and
that causes a lot of consternation. And certainly we know
(04:26):
in the West as far as the way media goes
about reporting these things, what about Hesbala? Are they embraced
by the Lebanon citizens or do they just have to
put up with it? Are these just two cartels that
have taken over their countries.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
What are they now. It's just very similar to what's
going on in Gaza to cartels that have taken over
their countries that the people there are held hostage by
the leaders there and have been since, you know, since
back in the eighties in the like and unfortunate situation
because that part of the world used to be a
different place. People would go vacation there and probably shouted
(05:02):
back in the e's and when Reagan was president, remember
we had that situation where the marine barracks were bombed
in Lebanon and the United States decides to pull out
at that point, and then Israel has gone to war
inside there with those terrorist groups there for many years.
But they're they're their latest in the terrorist organizations that
run those groups, and Hesbro was probably more sophisticated than
(05:23):
Hamaster Monday Launderer. They're tighter with Iran because of their
proximity with Israel and their capability to runch launch rockets
and missiles. They fired over eight to ten thousand over
the last few months there, So they're more sophisticated in enemy.
They don't have the same you know, same kind of
tactics equipment wise supplied all from the Iranians, which is
(05:43):
you know, this is an embarrassment for Iran as well
as there as their proxy force suffers this incredible intelligence
hit operation.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
What kind of pressure does this put on the current
administration and the election at all?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well, I think this administration is doing everything you can
to get Israel to stop, because they want to have
a peace treaty and they want to claim victory, and
they want they think that's going to happen. And as
days go by, further and further, Israel is not paying
attention to this administration, frankly, and I'm a little bit
disappointed that in the United States we've decided that politics
is more important than foreign policy or or American security,
(06:19):
because it's in the American's best interest to see Hamas
defeated and has Blahs subdued and the like in these
organizations and gone after. So it's a victory for America
when this happens yesterday as well. Unfortunately, this administration doesn't
see it that way because they're just looking to get
votes in the different parts of the country to appease
groups that believe that Israel is still at fault here.
(06:40):
You had Kamala Harris go on an yesterday and talk
about her leverage over Israel stopping bombings, and you're never
blaming really Israel for what's going and blaming Hamas for
what's going on there. So this is the first administration
I've seen in history that uses politics over what's in
the best centris of America. And that's kind of a
sad comment about what they're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
It's it's very interesting to see, you know this in
plain sight. Of course, anytime you see violence, and I've
talked to people just sharing, you know, anytime you see
somebody get arrested, sometimes it may look a little rough,
but you don't know all the things that are going on.
A lot of Americans, myself included, don't really understand, you know, uh,
you know when you hide behind them. But let's say
(07:21):
a Palestinian flag or whatever the case may be, what
we're talking about here, when we have some nefarious operations
of people that have no determination or deciding in their
own lives because of these cartels. If the most cartels
took over it and such, we would have the same
thing on the southern border. And they're taking over more
and more.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Anyway, it's the same thing. And these organizations had the
opportunities to grow their countries and to even from it,
let's say, on the dictator side, even if they are
dictatorship and they don't have democracy, but they could still
have capitalism and they could still move things forward. They
don't choose to do that. Instead they be proxies for
these other terrorist organizations like the Iranians. I mean, the
(08:04):
Uranians are sit back on their heels now as well.
They're moving quickly on their nuclear capability. And this is
another great example of could you imagine if Iran does
get a nuclear capability and this capability to launch it,
I think Israel would be in real big trouble because
the Ranians wouldn't hesitate to use it offensively.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Oh, no question about it. And maybe other places in
the West for sure. Mike, appreciate your time as always,
thanks for giving us some clarification here this morning on
News Radio eight forty whas Scott Fitzgerald has sports coming
your way. Next, John Channel of the News, Todd of
the Holo watch him become a good
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