Monday-7-15-2024

Episode Transcript

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Nobody. We shouldn't be up.We should still be reeling from the weekend
that was of probably not you probablydidn't do a beach trip. Maybe you
did a beach trip. I don'tknow. Maybe you went to the mountains,
hung out with your family, youwent to church, went to uh
maybe maybe some of you decided to, hey, that whole hog over there

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that needs to be edible, andyou did that thing and then you didn't
invite us. That's fine. You'rejust going about your business doing your thing.
As was I on Saturday. Itwas it was pretty crazy to hear

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and think about whatevery you know,what all of me and my colleagues were
up to. And obviously you're goingto this is my version of it.
You have your version of it,and I'm not going to go with the
you know, the Pearl Harbor.You know, day lives an infamy thing.
You're more mature than that. Youdo talk radio, obviously, you

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keep you keep an eye to thenews, but it's easy to be disconnected.
It's easy to be doing one hundredother things, you know. For
for me, I actually make aneffort, as weird as it sounds,
on Saturdays, because Saturdays is theSaturday is the only day that I don't

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do radio stuff. Friday, obviouslywe do a show, but everything,
you know, get all of ourcommercials, cut, any promos cut that
need to be done, and thenby about early afternoon on Friday, you'll
see I kind of I'll go.If you follow us on Twitter, and
you should. If you don't,we will hunt you down. It's at

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KC on the radio at k Cthe two letters like Kansas City. You'll
see like a volley of tweets afterthe show, and that's me going through
and giving everything a once over,and I can't help myself. I see
stuff and I'm like, ah,people need to know this. Why wasn't
this Why did I not have thisbefore nine o'clock today? And then the

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spiggo just shuts off. You'll notice, I mean, sure the random stuff
will come up, but it's notuntil Sunday after lunch where I'm like,
oh, yeah, I have ajob. Oh they want me to do
stuff. And then I cracked theI cracked the Twitter app or whatever.

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It's it's not easy, but youhave to train yourself when you do this,
and I know for many of youthat is a version of your life.
Some of you can't stop and yousend me like super deep political articles
at like sat on Saturday, atlike five in the morning, and I'm

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just like, you need to dosomething, anything, not this. And
so by the time you get laterin the day Saturday, I am blissfully
unaware of what's happening. But Itake precautions. Obviously many of you do

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too. You get alerts, youknow, iHeartRadio app. We send alerts
on that thing. So if youget on there and you you know,
set it up, some notifications cancome in. You may hear breaking news,
you'll hear about some you know,if we've got a big guest,
we'll let you know that kind ofstuff. But that on Saturday is a

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really eerie feeling when the phone startsgoing off and I'm gonna tell you something
and you're not gonna believe me,but it's true. Every phone I've ever
had I started doing radio, andyes, I use the job as a
crutch. Doesn't ring. I don'tturn it on. I never turn it

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on. My excuse being I'm ina studio or in a studio setting a
lot, and it can't be makingnoise. It can't even be vibrating because
it's sitting right here, literally nextto next to the base of my microphone.
I kind of lean it on thebase of the microphone sometimes so I
have a visual on it. Andif that thing started vibrating, that's that's

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going to be a problem. Soit requires me to visually inspect what's going
on. And it just so happenedthat on Saturday afternoon, I was eating
some delicious and I mean delicious Koreanfried rice mm hmm. But it had

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the sound bowl sauce on it,which is a tie thing. We don't
need to we don't need to dice. It was good, and I'm in
the restaurant I'm in is busy,and I sit at the bar. I'm
a bar sitter, so I'm sittingup at the bar, but I have
a good field of view on everythingthat's going on. And you know that
scene in a movie where oh,and they don't have TVs in the bar

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of this restaurant. They there aresome for whatever reason out in the dining
room, but not where I'm sitting. And I see that scene in the
movie where like like it's a partlike what's the movie swat or whatever.
I don't know why this popped inmy brain, but I watched it recently

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where they're all at like a barbecueand they all they're all Swat team people
and they got their you know,their spouses and their kids and eh,
and then all of a sudden,everyone starts reaching in their pocket. They
start pulling things out and start lookingat it. They start talking to each
other in tables, start talking toother tables, and the Spidey sense goes

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off, right, what happened?And I'm like, at first, I'm
like, because there's a bunch oflike finals. If you're into soccer,
this was your weekend with Spain playingEngland. England. I'm sorry, I'm
not super into soccer on that sidein the in the US, but as

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part of like the Latin America OneCopa, it was Columbia versus Argentina,
which I understand is a big deal, but it was those were Sunday.
Those were yesterday. So immediately I'mlike, if dawned on me, I'm
like, something bad happened. AndI grabbed my phone because I'm not a

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phone reader while I'm even when i'meating, because I'm not a tween.
And then I saw it. Whathappened at the Trump rally, and it
spun into a wild next few minutes, and I'm sure it did for you
as well. What happened? Trumpwas shot? Somebody says there's blood,

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He's down. Is he down becausehe's down because somebody shot him? Is
he down? Because that's what SecretService does, right? Sometimes they get
you down. He down on hisown accord. And then he goes to
Bruder film on this thing. Youwatch it and it's wild, the visual

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is crazy. And then the analysisstarts. And that's what we're going to
try to do this morning. We'regonna do the analysis. We're gonna talk
about the ways others did the analysis, the way that some couldn't help them
so, and we're gonna start atthe very basic part of this to try

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to unpack as much as we can. And along the way, I want
to hear from you. Try tosay something smart or interesting or new or
crazy. Don't swear, and Ithink we'll get along. Okay. For
me and my colleague spread all overinstantly, it required us to you know,

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kick into what we do, which, even with a bunch of seasoned
radio people, is not easy becauseyour head's elsewhere. You're doing that.
Ross is not here today because hehad he had to go, and I
know he posted about it on onon both the show account and his account.
One of his wife's relatives passed awayand so they were going to Tennessee

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to go be with the family andgo to the funeral and all of that.
So he'll be back Wednesday. Butyou know that space, that time,
that divide, that that doesn't stopit. I uh, when our
program director who is there, sayhello, Sir Trevor, Hello, Hello,

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that's Trevor. Trevor was trying toget himself a DAP on a Saturday
afternoon. I can respect that.Is that usual for you? Saturday nap,
sir, Saturday and Sunday? Ohbeautiful? Yeah, dude, if
you want to start doing mornings,you can make it a weekday thing too.
Oh it's amazing you're you're taking aDAP and I don't, I don't,

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I don't. Did you wake upon your own? Was your phone
making noise? Did somebody wake youup by the fifth call? Like the
phone vibrating? Woke me up?Okay? All right? And you know,
instinctively, because you're in radio,you're like some bad's happening, right,
Okay, that feeling in your stomach, that's that's challenger exploded stuff.

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That's all of it. And thenit just begins. To quote Mark Wattney
from The Martian, you just beginand I have my brain has I had
trouble sleeping last night Saturday night,Not as much because I was I was

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headed to a party with some friends, but found found a way to make
me sleep. But the fact remainsthat I've got so much I'm gonna try
to bottle it into the next twohours in forty three minutes, and we'll
see where we go from there.And I'd love you to hang out with

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us and do that. The phonenumbers eight eight eight nine three four seven
eight seven four, and where we'regonna start. We're gonna start with twelve
year old me. Yes, I'mgonna make it about me, but you're
gonna understand why in just a fewminutes, you're on a CaCO Day radio
program. By the way, unlessa nurse has just come into your hospital

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room where you have stirred from acoma. First, congrats, glad that's
working out for you. You're probablyaware of what happened in Pennsylvania over the
weekend, a Trump rally and atown called Butler. It is north of
Pittsburgh, pre standard stuff. Pittsburgh. Very similar from a size perspective,

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a socioeconomic perspective to what we callhome here in North Carolina. Triad Triangle
and just a bunch of folks likeyou and me want to go see Trump
and they show up and some findthemselves in the Garnish section. There's other

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names for it, but that's theone I've heard that I like, the
Garnish section. And the Garnish sectionis a really important place at a campaign
rally. It's the visual, it'sthe backdrop. It's the background, and
it's interesting and very telling to seewho's in the Garnish section, because sometimes

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it's thematic, right it's a hey, look a bunch of military people behind
and then insert candidate. Oh lookat all the kids, look at the
Native Americans because that's the theme ofthe speech, and you get the gist
and people get asked to be inthere. I had a conversation with a

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woman I know herd her friend showedup. They're very energetic, they're easy
on the eyes. They were askedto be in the Garnish section when Trump
did that rally at Dorton Arena intwenty sixteen, and they were beside themselves,
They're like, hey, we gotlook, we got super good seats.
You ever got upgraded on a flightor at a concert or something,

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that's amazing, But also with whathappened on Saturday, it's dangerous. As
a former fire chief found himself inthe gardners section, and I don't know
how he got there. If thatwas his ticket, he showed up early,
they asked a group to move in, it doesn't matter, and I

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bet he was ecstatic and whoever hewas with just over the moon man.
And then mid speech, as Trumpis referencing I don't know if it's a
campaign sign or I think it wasa sign somebody had, and then he

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referenced another visual aid which talked aboutimmigration stuff and border stuff. He ever
so slightly kind of repositioned himself,and it's clear as day on the video.
It's clear as day that audibly Trumphears and the people around him here.

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What is unmistakable if you have everyou don't even have to have shot
a gun, if you've been innature during hunting season and in the distance,
you hear a firearm retort and thena bunch of them. And sometimes
people say, oh, well,it might be fireworks. I I don't

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know how to explain it on theradio. It's not fire fire. They
just they some sound similar, mostsound different. And you saw an instant,
uncommunicated group reaction as people know thata that a bullet has passed through

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there. And it could be becausethe person near you is hit and you
just happen to be looking in thatdirection. It could be because you were
hit. But there's there's more thanjust the round. There's the velocity.
I don't know how to describe it. The you don't have you know,
you don't have to be hit bya bullet to be killed by a bullet.

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Hang on, everybody. Uh,I'm gonna read you a tweet I
sent yesterday, and I'm gonna letyou know where we're going. But I
want to I want to know whereyour thoughts too. And yes, I
see many of your thoughts and uh, according to my email center around some
of the coverage and uh yeah,yeah, we're gonna get into that.

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But also we're gonna when we getinto it, I'm gonna I'm gonna cut
a wider berth than I normally do, because things done in rapid society in
an emergency situation need to be evaluatedas such, and you're only as good
as what the information you're armed withat that time. You're writing a story

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about something, you got a deadlinelater that day. That allows you,
if you're worth your salt, togather information and hopefully make sure it's accurate
and go from there. It's nota little better informed, but when you're
standing there, you're armed with what'sin your brain. Man, and I
guess whatever hand signals your team canget you. So the thing that is

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normally really messy is anything having todo with firearms. There is a distinct
lack of understanding among most of themedia of firearms, and I mean not
real complex stuff Like I got intoa debate over a over what's a good
carry gun for bear country with liketwo different people this weekend, because you

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know, that's what you do.And you know was somebody tweeted or are
commented on one of the tweets andsomebody else saw it in real time,
and I was talking to that personand they had a thought and I had
a thought, and you know,that conversation was able to happen because this
is literally a thing that I thoughtabout and put into practice. And the

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answer is complicated. Right, It'seasy to make some guy go, oh,
I'm going to carry a fifty cowdesert eagle. I have one of
those, and I would never usethat as the last resort bear gun.
If I had other choices. WhenI was a kid, he had id
lean into a four to sixty magLook up that thing, man, that's

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a wristbusting machine. Now I tella guy to get a glock forty ten
millimeter good gun. That long slidetwenty thing they tried. That didn't work,
not for me. And if youunderstand that, great. So when
I'm watching what's happening, and you'rewatching what's happening, what is your thoughts

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once you realize that somebody is firingrounds downrange and at a former president and
hitting people based on you know,the initial reporting, you're thinking that movie
shooter right from the distances you're talkingabout where he's planning that, where they've
got Wahlberg down there, and theyall, right, we need somebody who

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can make a thousand yard shot.We need to shoot from a mile away.
And he's you know he's got he'schecking windage and and it's hollywood.
I understand that, but it itin our mind. It is is not
comprehensible. It is not is notit's not even thought of that you would

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be inside of your scope distance forbig game hunters in the West, And
to me, that's what was sostriking. So I thought, and what
I mean by that is a hundredmore than thirty yards. I don't want
to sound cocky if I if youasked me to make a standing shot,

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no rest standing with a rifle I'mcomfortable with with a with a round uncomfortable
with and shoot bowling pins at onehundred yards, I'll hit them more often
than not. I'm not bragging thatis That is a shot I'm comfortable with.
And I'll you get twenty you giveme a two twenty three, three

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oh eight, three hundred some some. The flatness of the shot almost doesn't
matter at that point. We're notgetting into drop charts that are that matter.
If you have that thing scoped atone hundred yards or sighted at one
hundred yards, one hundred and thirtyyards is is not a long shot.

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I know it does sound a longshot if you hunt tree stand in woods.
But where I grew up, everyrifle that I might hit a deer,
an antelope, ernoque was sighted attwo hundred yards. That was it,
that was your that was how wesighted firearms. And so to make

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one hundred and thirty yards shot,I wouldn't adjust a thing. I'm still
within the happy zone there. I'mnot going to be too high. And
so if when I hear it's onehundred and thirty yards, I can't balance
that against the the thoughts that whatwe would normally think the distance somebody would
have to be to be able tofire a shot, and not from a

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dug in secret chamber, hidden inthe side of a building, or an
earth you know, like carved outof the earth, some burn that had
been constructed, but rather the thisguy was prone. He was able to
take what is probably the best.He was able to lay flat. I

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don't know what he used as therest, but he was able to position
himself flat in the open, albeitat an elevated position, and take his
time and get centered and get ready. And I understand that there was an
interaction with a sheriff's employee or sheriff'sdeputy. I don't know if it's a

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deputy it says somebody from the Sheriff'soffice. I'm assuming it was, and
that obviously forced his hand to hurrythings up. But if you're going to
make a shot, if it's ona deer or a person or a target,
he's literally in the best position.So everything is going his way that
one hundred and thirty yards. Thewind was not a substantial factor, and

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it wouldn't be. He should beable to hit a dinner plate all day
if he's reasonably competent. And thefact that somebody was able to get in
that position, hold that position andbe able to fire off shots, I

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still can't wrap my head around it. And you know, Secret Service has
a tough job, But that seemslike as to the to the guy,
you know, just Monday morning quarterbackingthis that seems outside of the bounds of
what I would think the person ofthe security bubble would would even allow.

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For now, Pittsburgh's gonna be atougher putt because it's it's a bowl,
right three we've heard called three RiverStadium, Right, there's a reason for
that. There's three rivers that cometogether, and so it's and if you've
ever been to Pittsburgh, it ithas It's got the bluffs up around.
Hell, they have cable cars therefor tourists and stuff. So if you're

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down below that now he again he'sin Butler. But if you're if you're
anywhere there and you're in one ofthe places where most of the towns are,
there are higher positions all around you, albeit from a much further distance.
This guy was one hundred and thirtyyards. I wouldn't outside. He

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was outside of the security bubble.Well, you're never outside of it because,
as you'll come to find out,they have people out there that are
eyeballing this stuff. But they didn'tsee him, so people saw him.
So people saw this dude shimmy upthat building a spider man, and they

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contacted law enforcement, which is whythe sheriffs responded. And a sheriff's sheriff's
employee or deputy or whatever whatever thisindividual was shimmied up a ladder I guess
made visual contact with crooks, whichI try not to use these idiots' names,
but and had, and the riflewas pointed at him. So he

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did what I think most people woulddo at that point, because he doesn't
have a he's up that la hesays, he's not up there with a
weapon in his hand. He goes, uh no, And then I don't
know if he slid down or jumpedoff or what. And at that moment,
the shooter turned around, and that'swhen the shot was fired, according
to witnesses. So people saw somethingand they said something. And then I

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started thinking back to twelve year oldme. Twelve year old me so excited
because twelve year old me was whenI first got my firearms, that's right,
And like many of you, Icut my teeth on a Mossburg shotgun,
three different chokes, twelve gauge.That thing was a you know,

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for kid, that thing's a punisherman, but you shoot everything. And
my first rifle was a twenty twoYeah, rim Fire Baby twenty two Marlin,
and I think that was probably thefirst rifle that many of you had.
It's insanely popular. And I thatwas the summer if you didn't want

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to be around me, because Ihad no time for you. I was
out there shooting everything. Don't orI would shoot neighbors, pets or anything.
I'm not that psycho. But thepoint is the point is that.
It was then that I started familiarizemyself with firearms before then, right,

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because you get to shoot if relative'sgone at the range, or you got
to police brass. You were soexcited, and I quickly became pretty adept
with that thing. And then itwas on to the big boys. And
you notice I called that a rimfire. I started to educate myself as
to why do you guys know whyit's called a rim fire. Most you
probably do, but if you don't, it's because the the whatever strikes the

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round, it could be a firingpin. There's other options hits. If
you'll look on the back of thebullet of a of a round that has
been shot of any caliber, you'llsee an indentation with a twenty two long
rifle. The it's the primer materialis actually around the rim and not in

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the center where a primer sits ona larger round. That's what ignites the
powder. Although the very first twentytwo twenty twos they didn't have powder.
They were French. I'll let youmake your own judgment, and so the
primer itself would would provide the velocityfor the round and they would shoot him
indoors, which try that in yourbasement and see what your mom says,

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don't, don't, don't do that. But it was And then right around
the time of the Civil War theyfail, Hey, what if we put
some powder in here? They werestill rim fire, but it ignited the
powder that way. And in fact, there were there were Civil War soldiers
found who were found to be inpossession of these of these rounds, even

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though they didn't have an apparatus topropel them, they actually physically had them
because they were a novelty. Lookat this thing, we other pack and
musket span wild times, dude.And then the evolution from there into the
center fire cartridge that most are familiarwith. And for me, that evolution

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for twenty two and Mossburg twelve gageled to a Mauser German Mauser thirty odd
six and a dropping a drop chartnightmare when you get out too far,
the velocity of that round. Aftereven if you have incited a two hundred
gets dumb. You had another onehundred yards, you get seven inches.

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You had more than that. You'retalking almost two feet. But I murdered
everything with that rifle, and abunch of other people did, because if
we had hunters come out and they'rerifle got damaged, I would offer it
up variable scope and with that thingin my hands. If you were a

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coyote and I saw you within threehundred maybe even four hundred yards, you
weren't a coyote anymore, and Icould do that. Rest across the hood
of my truck, a fence post, you name it, and get in
a comfortable enough position and if theconditions were okay to make that shot,
and I could do it very quicklybecause they don't stick around when they see

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you. But if I'm driving Isee one out in the field, and
especially where we got calves, that'sbad news, mister coyote. You're not
shopping at act me anymore. Sojust wrapping your hand. I know I'm
taking my time, but I'm goingto peel this onion for three hours today
because there's a lot to get to. So from the distance to the position

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with the shooter, it made mestart to analyze this and in a morbid
way. And the morbid way washow did he miss? And the factor
I can't in my mind add tothis is what he was shooting at.
I don't know how that interrupts yourbasic setup and and trigger pull right,

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most of us have a most ofus have a process, even if we
can't verbalize it when we're getting readyto fire a gun, or if you
don't, you should. You've heardsqueeze the trigger, fire on the exhale
right, breathe in, and asyou're exhaling, squeeze the trigger. Don't

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chirk it, squeeze it because yourisk moving the weapon. But with a
heavy rifle, and this was anar platform, it's no different than that
mouser I just talked about. Itlooks different and if you showed it to
your average gun grabber, they'd belike that would's scarier than that. One
works the exact same. There arealmost zero differences. And the functionality of

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this versus that. And as youset up, even if you're having to
do it in a speedier manner,and we'll get away from the fact that
he's shooting at Trump, that deeris getting ready to move. I've been
in those positions, and you hastenthe process to the extent you can,

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but you do the things necessary tomake a shot. And even with the
speed up of law enforcement on himand what he's shooting at, the two
factors I can't necessarily fully apply.I still think I make that shot,

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but then I started thinking, well, what is he aiming at? And
that's where I think we start todeviate. And I'm gonna call it the
video game influence, and I don'twant to just pin it on younger people,
but you know, the younger youare, the higher likelihood that you've
spent some of your days playing agame where you're shooting stuff, and the

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incentives within those games I think cangive an inaccurate understanding of what you need
to be shooting at. And thatpart of this we'll get into. I'm
going to read you this tweet realquick because this is where my mind went
to give you a roadmap for wherewe're going. It says, random Sunday

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thoughts getting to fire prone shots fromone hundred and thirty yards is incomprehensible.
That's where we are now. Ifyou call Trump literally hitler and now you're
glad he's okay, make that makesense to me and Joe Biden. Remember
we talked about what happens if somethinghappens on a moment's notice what it This

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was the softest test, and Idon't think it went well, plus your
calls. We'll get into it next. Hang on, I don't even I'm
not even working off a prep packetright now. I had nothing. I
have some I have some details infront of me. But that's a good

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Jeff, that's a good point.I'm gonna we will all laugh at your
email coming up here because that isfunny. So I'm not gonna do nine.
But I I also am kind oftalking to you now because I want
to address what somebody called in andsaid, because I gave this some thought
and I want to answer him andgive him an answer. So what was
the gist of what the caller saidthat you should not be giving advice on

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how to have a better shot?Correct? Yes, and and and I
want to be I want to beabundantly clear. I thought about this,
I believe it or not. SometimesI do think about some of the stuff.
I say, Trevor, doesn't that, but you should. And here
here's the thing. I get it. Like I I don't want anyone who

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uh who's gonna go do bad stuff. I don't. I don't want to
be the one who helped them ontheir journey. But the basics of of
UH setting a round down range right. This is you could click through a
website having nothing to do with itand and just keep clicking a link to

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link to link. You ever dothat as a kid? Seehere? You
give from A to B and andend up with an advice video in like
two seconds. This is not thisis not secret stuff. And I and
something outweighed for me, and thereason that I have so gone down this
road so delicately and spent such amountof time. I want everyone listening to

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me, even those who have neverpulled a trigger, understand how dead or
grievously injured Trump should be. Youtake that out of context, whatever,
then your scum, you understand whatI'm saying. I want everyone to understand

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and not be lost in this thata prone shooter with a firearm that they
are familiar with. At one hundredand thirty yeard, I'm not even getting
into a scope situation. You'd ironsight that bad boy at that distance.
So I'm trying to figure out whyhe isn't what happened And there's two things

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I come to one, as Ihave described his whole his routine got messed
up, he got hurried, Hisbreathing is going to be off. At
that point, your adrenaline is rushing. So that's factor number one. Factor
number two is what I'm going toand this is me speculating. This is

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I call it the video game mentality, and I've seen it manifest before and
usually it manifests at the range.Right, you're out there with your buddies.
Any of you ever have a gangstershootoff? You ever do that?
Ah? I mean my old partof Radio Buddy, we would go out

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and do a gangster shootoff, right, And that's where you take your pistol
and you turn it sideways and youelevate it up above your head like you're
buy them. Try to hit atarget like that. That's unsafe. No,
it's not. You're still following allthe basic safety procedures, but you're
firing the weapon in a way thatis insanely hard to hit the target.

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If you hit the target in ourgangster shootoffs, you probably won. So
that's where we're going. That's inthe video game pop culture mentality. What
I call video game mentality is howmany of you, or whether it's you
or you've seen your kid play itor whatever, have have seen a video

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game or played a video game wherewhen you shoot something or someone and you
should have been the head, youget more points head shot or you get
that, you just get the thinggoes head shot, and so there's there's
like dopamine attached to it, andbefore you know it, everyone thinks or

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you see you see a grizzled copat the police range, right, and
he's barely hanging on and you justwon't listen to the captain And he's at
the range and he puts eight,he groups eight at like in in two
inches in the middle of this dude'shead. That's not where police are shooting.
That's not where you should be shootingcenter mass. You've heard it,

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that's where you should be shooting that. Don't get me wrong. I once
you get into people who shoot fora living, that's a different thing entirely.
But for you me, all right, double long heart, that's what
I want when I go deer hunting. Give me, give me a double
long heart shot all day. Andso you train yourself that that's where you

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shoot. But if you have thisidea that you have to shoot somebody in
the head, you are now limitingthe possibility that you're gonna hit them greatly,
limiting it so now judging by thefact that the round pass close enough
that all of these people reacted,And this point needs to be made.

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It's not just the sound in thedistance. By the time you hear that
sound the bullet. The reason thebullet is making that sound is because it's
traveling faster than the speed of sound, and you have the gunpowder and all
of that, right, it's breakingthe sound barrier to do what it's doing.

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So it's why if you ever watcha hunting video, if you ever
watch guys out hunting and you're gettingthat scope view, you may see the
animal fall before you actually hear it, depending on where the positioning is.
Okay, so one of two optionsis out there. One he did shoot
for center mass, and he's sobad he so badly placed the shot or

(38:30):
jerked the rifle up that that theshot went where it went. I don't
believe that. I believe it's shootingfor the head. And maybe he thought
he had to shoot for the headbecause Trump was wearing bodies That president's probably
wearing body armor. Maybe maybe not. I don't know. I think he
was shooting for the head. Andthen I have to go, well,
why are you shooting for the headdummy. And the only thing I can

(38:52):
conclude, if it's not that bodyarmor thought is he thought that's where you
shoot people, and it is aplace you could shoot people. But that's
not that's not really going to tellyou if they're training you with a firearm
in a situation where you may haveto shoot somebody. Harley, Ermi's not
banging down the range screaming at youbecause you're not putting putting headshots downfield.

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Where would you get that idea?You get that idea because for me,
you played Golden Eye and he lovedWhack and your buddy Mike in the uh
in the head in for your sniperPisi. I was that guy. I
was a proximity mind guy. I'mnot a coward, but you know I
get me a nest and have somefun. And also yeah it was.

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So it's all of these things addingup. And the third thing is there
is you can go to the videothe way Trump turned to look at something,
Andy go, well, why wouldyou when you turn to look at
something? Why would that necessarily beproblematic? And for that, I want
you to try and exercise that Itry yesterday. I want you to be
in a standing position facing forward atsomething, but it's something that defines your

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position. So it could be apodium, it could be you could be
standing on a matt, like alittle little bath matter or something, and
I want you to turn your bI want you to reference something to your
right or your left, and watchwhat happens with your center of where you're
lined up. Your head may turn, but we have a natural inclination to
move our shoulders and the and andthe the mass of our body the opposite

(40:30):
direction to compensate for it, andit has the effect of kind of pulling
you in the other direction. It'shard to determine exactly if that's what happened,
but it may have saved his life. So yes, I spent a

(40:51):
lot of time on this, andI understand that I'm not here to teach
people how to go out and snipefolks. But I think that the thing
the media does a poor job ofis explaining this to folks who don't have
any knowledge of firearms, shooting anyof the rest, and so those folks

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do not appreciate how insane it wasthat a prone sniper gained access outside of
a security bubble to a President ina shooting distance that I would bet you
twenty dollars I could hit a plateand win your twenty dollars every time distance.
And this was with a firearm hewas familiar with and a round that

(41:37):
likely was around that has You don'teven have to compensate for it that distance
two two, three, three height something similar. I feel that that's
the importance of this. Okay,all right, let's get to the phones.
Donna, thank you for hanging on. It's just one of those mornings.
What's up. That's cool, Goodmorning, Casey, good morning.

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Two things, just one thing out? Uh. He said, there's three
things that was the reason why hewas he wasn't hit. No, the
third one was the trump, theTrump turning. The second was the sheriff
spooking. Uh there, and thethird was the selection of where he was
shooting. It was a fourth okay, all right, and that's divine intervention.

(42:24):
Fair enough. Yeah, I'm goingto let's say, I'm going over
the technical side of it. Soright, So, the the which we're
talking about a bullet that can passby someone and kill him. It's just
a point fifty Browning machine gun.And it says the pressure and vacuum created

(42:46):
by the bullet as it passes somethingor someone can cause instantaneous death. Yes,
and you know, we've had peoplekilled by blanks. They have blanks
in a gun and they they yeah, including famous Hollywood people, and the
blank they don't realize that the amountof pressure that's going to be discharged from

(43:07):
the from the gas release is enoughto kill you. And uh so yeah,
all right, all right, justlet me go have a wonderful day.
Yeah, you too, appreciate it. All right, let's grab Janet.
We'll make this our angry woman segment. What's up, Janet? You
mind if I call it that?All right? Right? Yeah, so,

(43:35):
yeah, I agree with the congressman. I believe it was said it's
the democratic speech and sundiary speech andoh yeah, right, we're gonna we're
gonna get into that. We're gonnaget into I I just wanted to get
the technical stuff washed over. Nowwe're going to get into the media and
the rhetoric. Yeah, he's definitelyright. It's the demo press and the

(44:00):
leastest top propaganda mill. But ifyou think back, I mean, as
far as I can remember, eversince Lincoln, historically it's been the last
who has done things like that,or the CIA. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, I mean Lincoln obviously, if you know, if you want
to get into a pure political example, Lincoln would be a good place to

(44:22):
start. So I can't disagree withyou there. That was definitely Uh.
That was about politics, and thepolitics of the Daves was more than just
slavery. It was the the whatwas what was happening in the South?
Government? That what it was welland and and and it pushed in,

(44:45):
It pushed in a thank you forthe calor jenet, It pushed in austerity,
uh, to the extremes within theSouth, because your infrastructure is gone,
remember Sherman, he didn't leave anythingman, and so your infrastructure is
gone, your apparatus for production isis gone. To yes, to whittle

(45:12):
it down to such course terms,but you know that was not the That
was not the majority of what theway that Southerners made their living right,
it was it was ancillary stuff.It was it was other other things that
uh that that continue to fund theSouth. There was other agricultural pursuits that

(45:36):
had nothing to do with slavery,and the apparatus for milling, that shipping,
that packing, that the the youwere not in a position to be
able to trade all of these things. All of these things added up there,
and it all culminated with the assassinationof Lincoln in that theater, who,

(45:57):
by the way, is the verysame individual who found to the Secret
Service. If you don't know thatnow, it was to stop counterfeiting,
which had become a huge problem.But that's why there was this transitionary role.
The Secret Service still serves today inthose dual capacities. So from there

(46:20):
we get into the why. Andwe don't maybe know all of the why,
but I got time to fill,so we'll speculate. Okay, all
right, we'll do it as bestwe can in an informed way as possible,
and I think we'll probably at theend of the day get a few
of these right, and we'll startthat journey next hang on CaCO Day radio

(46:43):
program. And so we got intothe mechanics there. I could do a
whole show just on the mechanics ofall of this, but I want,
I want there to be no doubtthat anybody listening that how insanely that should

(47:05):
have gone the other way because ofall conditions weapons everybody, And I don't
care if you're twenty year old whodoesn't know stuff. If if you've shot
that and he had shot that,fire him it was his father's, is
what they're reporting. He was familiarwith it. The fact that we're talking
about what we're talking about with Trumpwith his ear hit and or as the

(47:30):
press says, Trump says his earwas hit. I'm not I understand everybody's
on edge. Hang on. Ifyou've listened to this show for any length
of time, and especially during theTrump administration, I had this. I
had a ceiling right and I wouldconstantly reference it, and the ceiling was

(47:53):
literally hitler. I don't mean I'msaying it was literally hitler. I mean
the two words literally hitler. Thatbecause once you've gone someplace in the world
of politics, there's no coming back. And you see it. You see
it evidenced in rhetoric, you seeit evidenced in action. Harry Reid's decision

(48:17):
to uh the nuclear options it wascalled that not just because it was a
scary thing he could talk about onthe news, because it fundamentally changed the
process within the Senate for confirmations,and nobody wanted to touch it because they
realized that they may not necessarily alwaysbe in charge. And his colleagues were.

(48:43):
There were many colleagues telling Harry Reid, who was the individual who had
the power, the loan power tomake that decision. If you do that,
this is going to get bad.And you, I know a lot
of people are like, hey,thanks, thank you Donald Trump for those
Supreme Court nominees and Chevron and abortionand all this stuff. Yay, thank

(49:07):
Harry Reid. That's the nexus ofthis thing, man, because Harry Reid
did that. And when Harry Reiddid that, it wasn't just for federal
judges, It wasn't just for variousappointees, cabinet members, things like that.
It was a wholesale rejection of thenorms and the process, which isn't

(49:31):
constitutionally bound in its specifics, butthe process is, and and it provided
that flexibility that Congress realized would beproblematic unless they had a defined way of
doing it. The way back inthe eighteen hundreds. They found a defined
way, and then they groomed itand then it became what we knew,

(49:52):
and that was a sixty votes requirementfor individuals who were being a pointed to
these spots. And once it wasthrown out the window for one, it
became thrown out the window for others. And you saw it when the logic
ab of Mitch McConnell was, Hey, this is what you guys wanted.

(50:14):
This is what we're going to dofor all judges. And yes they had
to expand it beyond that, butthe dam was broken by then, and
so eventually you got you got theseincredibly, you got what bork started.
So we have these phrases, man, all these fun phrases getting borked.

(50:35):
The last time you heard that,the last time you really heard that was
when they made that change because theywanted to reject Gorsage, who I know
that some other right aren't happy with. And here we be, this is
where we are. So you haveto have a standard. And once the

(50:59):
dam's broke, it's crazy. AndI thought the standard when reporting on somebody
was there, literally Hitler was theceiling. And then Politico or somebody wrote
an article and they said, no, no, he's not literally Hitler.
He's worse. And I don't eventhink i'm paraphrasing. That might be a

(51:22):
line from it. And in thearticle they went on to project the number
of people who would be dead bythe end of the Trump term, and
then add that number up, carrythe one, and you found a number
that exceeded the total deaths that wereattributed to a combination of Hitler, Stalin

(51:43):
and Mao. And I thought,you know what, I was wrong.
There's more. So I want totalk to you in the pundit class,
you in the political class, youin the journalism class, who ran around
and literally Hitler Trump, It's theend of the democracy. That's it.

(52:08):
Good game, America. We're over. If you and and and you said
that, you wrote that, youtweeted that, you intimated that, you
any of that, if you honestly, if you honestly thought he would never
give up power, we get it. It would be the Handmaid's Tale.

(52:31):
They were posting photos last week ofthe why of the Handmaid's Tale over Project
twenty twenty five, which isn't aTrump thing that he's spoken against, is
a project by a think tank inWashington called the Heritage Foundation, which probably
has some stuff Trump agrees with andRepublicans liking it, but a bunch of

(52:52):
stuff they don't. It's like whenthey tried to attach uh defunding Medicare because
some idiot senator in Washington brought itup in a Q and A. That's
the thoughts of the Republican Party.If you think this, if you think
all of these things, if youthink an individual would get into government and

(53:15):
fundamentally change us into a religious basedgovernment, theocracy, or dictatorship for any
of the rest, how dare youthoughts in prayers yesterday or Saturday? How
dare you If I thought somebody wasliterally Hitler and somebody shot at them and

(53:43):
didn't kill them, I'd be like, can we get another shooter? If
I thought they were literally Hitler.As bad as that sounds, I'd be
disappointed. But I'd have to thinkit's literally that. That's a very high
star and and obviously Hitler's that.Oh though the German there's a movie out

(54:06):
in Germany, I know of allplaces a few years ago where Hitler.
I can't remember the premise of howhe emerged from the bunker. He was
in a different bunker and he justwoke up, I don't know, cry,
oh whatever, and he like emergesin modern day Germany and he's running
around trying to convince everyone I'm Hitler, and they just think he's a comedian
and and he's a really funny,spot on guy and like it. It's

(54:32):
famous for it, so weird.But I'd have to think that, I'd
have to think it's literally that,because that message that you're sending out,
that's literally hitler. That hits peopledifferent. Man. Some people believe that

(54:54):
there were protesters in front of thehospital that treated Trump, and I saw
some a blue haired wilderbeast holding asign like can we get another shoot?
Or up along those lines. Shehad poor penmanship, but she too was
in a hurry, had a rushdown there to be a piece of garbage.

(55:21):
So when you say these things,when I say things, they hit
people different. So going like earlier, we had the emailers like why are
you explaining how to how to positionyourself to take a shot, Because I
don't want anyone to bypass the factthat I did one hundred and thirty yards

(55:43):
shot in a good rested position shouldbe a cake walk. It's amazing.
The Trump, it's it's I mean, it's terrible. You had one of
the people they're killed. But essentiallythat's his backdrop. His backdrop is is
flesh. It's the inevitability of sendingsomething into a crowd of people. Somebody's

(56:05):
gonna get hit, but for histarget not to get hit at that yardage
and those conditions is amazing and itshouldn't be lost on you, and it
should raise a lot of questions.But what drives a person to do that?
He registered as a Republican, hedonated to act Blue. What is
going on? He's twenty. Peopledidn't know him. He was a loner.

(56:25):
They think he had some friends.Maybe he didn't. His dad's firearm.
Should dad be charged like the Michiganparents. That discussion was going on.
I listen to it on CBS yesterday. I heard analysis. The people

(56:45):
were mad that Trump did the i'mokthing right, You know, the i'mok
thing right. You see it inthese situations, but you see it more
often on the football field. Right. Your player goes down, there's a
ton of people crowded around. Herecomes the little cart and what happens.

(57:06):
If they're still conscious, they'll giveyou an indicator they're fine or at least
with it. Their leg is,you know, now behind their head for
some reason. But they'll get thumbsup. Maybe. And Trump did that,
and I will credit NBC News.They did a kind of amazing thing
that I can't do on radio becauseyou need the visual. They had the
Secret Service audio laid over the timelineof them extracting Trump, who really wants

(57:31):
his shoes by the way, hewanted his shoes. I don't I don't
know. I'll be curious that somebodyasked him about the shoes. But it
it becomes it becomes apparent that atthe time they're trying to get him out
of there, the Secret Service andTrump have knowledge that the shooter has been

(57:53):
taken out, right, they Butthat doesn't mean they don't know that there's
not another shooter, but they knowthat they that the shooter has been neutralized.
Do you hear it? And Trumpindicates through something he says that he
I not that he hears it orsomebody said it to him. So does
that change things? Know? Andso you see this turtle moving off of

(58:16):
the stage, and inside of thatturtle is Trump. And you see his
head when he's still on the stagein his hand indicating to people he's okay.
And then when they get him justwhere they load him in the vehicle,
he does the thing again. Andthe analysis that I heard by NBC
was he is how dare he dothat when people around him are not okay,

(58:43):
and not to detract from the tragedythat destruct the family of this former
fire chief who was killed, orthe families of those who were grievously injured
but now unstable condition, thank god, because he's the president, he was
the president and he probably will bethe president again. That's why he did

(59:07):
it. That's why there's ten humanbeings laying their bodies over him, because
of who he is and who someof you think is literally Hitler, who
then said, I'm glad he's okay. Are you lying then or are you
lying now? Because it doesn't workboth ways. Raced Agic would never lie.

(59:34):
He's just here to give you thestraight facts from the Weather Channel and
h boil boy, did you picka day to come into work? Huh
yeah? Yeah? The weather marcheson though, Yeah, you know we
got enough going on? Could younot make it suck? So go ahead,
OK, I will, but it'sgonna take a few days. We're
still like yesterday. Try it.Ninety seven Triangle one hundred. Neither of

(59:58):
those records though today about the uppernineties to low one hundred seat advisory for
most of the triangle points east catchessome of the counties to the east of
Winston, Salem, Greensboro. Eitherway, it's hot to humid, it's
uncomfortable. No rain, but that'sgonna change. It'll start changing tomorrow.
But still it's going to be inthe same temperature range, in the upper
nineties with the heat and disease closeto one oh five, some scattered storms

(01:00:20):
in the afternoon. Then as weget into Wednesday and the rest of the
week, good rain chances each day, and that temperatures are going to come
down, believe it or not.By the end of the week. We
may not see ninety degrees maybe loweighties by Fridays. So there is change
coming. It'll be a pleasant change, and with it there'll be some wet
weather scouted around. But we needthe rain too, So one, two,
three more days, three more daysthat I think we'll start seeing some

(01:00:44):
of that cooler air come in,and as I said, we'll start seeing
the rain chances ramping up, maybeas soon as tomorrow, but especially midweekend
beyond. All right, I writethis down. If it doesn't happens,
going on your record, Okay,no problem to added to the list,
baby, alrighty not get an hourall right, all right, they race
agic from the Weather channel. Allright, we'll get some more calls and

(01:01:05):
continue to unpack this, whether itwas the refusal to use the term attempted
assassination or one of another thousand things. People's analysis of how the media was
handling it was busy, and Igot so many things that people sent to
me. So we'll dive into thatand your calls next. Hang on,

(01:01:30):
did he fall down or was heshot at? Did he duck? Did
he get down on his own?All different variations of that particular act permeated
various pieces of reporting. And Iwant to say this as we get into

(01:01:52):
this, Reporting on something in realtime is hard, especially when you're in
an environment of your own creation.I'm not nobody's off the hook here,
but you find yourself in an environmentwhere a growing number of people question the

(01:02:12):
truthfulness of whatever you put out there, and the work in that environment is
not easy. It's it's frantic.I'm not gonna lie to you. On
Saturday, when we were trying togather the troops to figure out, hey,
what the hell? Right, yougot people scattered all over. Nobody's
in the station. Obviously, it'sthe weekend, so we've got market manager,

(01:02:37):
We've got Trevor is sitting in forRoss today because Ross is Ross was
is he he tweeted this out.His wife had a family member pass away,
so they went drove to Tennessee toattend the funeral, and so we
knew he wasn't going to be here. But you know, even even Ross,
while he's off in Tennessee doing thefamily stuff, dealing with that boom,

(01:03:01):
you got to gather the troops.You got to figure out what the
hell, what the hell are wegoing to do? Right? And you
got systems and plans and experience andall of this and you and you call
upon that and at that moment,that's what's going to inform how you're doing
stuff. And very early on Ihad nine different people this is outside of

(01:03:21):
staff, because I remember, I'mat a restaurant. I'm a I'm at
a restaurant watching this unfold in realtime, just trying to eat baby,
drink a beer or two, andand so people around me are telling other
people what's happening, and it's theten Can game, this that or the

(01:03:42):
other. The words they're using arenot consistent, and so as a reporter,
you have to go with what yousee, and you have to also
go with whatever information is being fedback in your earpiece, and you will
be scrutinized. So, yes,did I see the reporting that Trump fell
down and had to be carried off? That was the wording used. Was

(01:04:04):
it used because at that point theydidn't know that a bullet had entered that
area. Should they have known?Yeah? I think they should have known
that something was up based on notjust the way Trump reacted, but how
everyone around him reacted. And ifyou want a visual exercise, go watch

(01:04:29):
the Las Vegas rally that Trump didyears ago where some knitwit decided he was
going to storm the stage and watchthe reaction not just of Trump but everyone
around him. It is wildly differentthan the reaction that you saw at that
moment on Saturday. For an hournumber three. These are the shows that

(01:04:49):
just fly man, just cook,and unfortunately there's usually horribleness that that has
to fall before it, and thathorribleness, of course, you're aware of
one dad, two others pretty significantlyinjured, and a former president, and

(01:05:14):
I you know, if I hadto, if I was a betting man,
which I am, I would sayprobably the next president as morbid as
that sounds to some people. Whathappened yesterday helps Trump. I know we're
not allowed to do the political analysis, and I know the campaigns have suspended

(01:05:38):
their politics. Tough cough. It'sthe truth and that's you know, that's
what we try to deal with here. So when I'm doing analysis it can
sound a little rough. Hey whatdid I I just look at some of

(01:06:01):
the tweets that I sent. Thereare not tweets a text that I sent
that I chose not to. Youdon't have many drafts out of my draft
folder right now, because once again, once it's out there, it's out
there, baby, And let melook at let me look at some of
these. Um yeah, we're gonnaget into Biden's a lot of it's about
the Biden stuff. I think thatis as crazy as it sounds. We

(01:06:28):
were all having a discussion, uh, post Biden and the debate, right
and if you remember, the WhiteHouse figured out, hey, there's a
couple of things we can do.And it'll prove to you that that was
one off. And the first thingwas he's gonna sit down, he's gonna
do an interview George Stephanopolis, whois an absolute hack he's the guy you

(01:06:51):
go to. He's a former Clintonstaffer, He's the guy you go to
when you need to groom the imageof a Democratic candidate. George will give
it to you. And even inthat setting, the White House said,
well, we're going to record thisthing. Well, that degates test number
one. You can't. It's gotto be a live interview. Nobody trusts

(01:07:13):
what's coming out of there after wefind you know, there's the same week
that we're learning that they're feeding questionsto people. You can't do that.
So strike one, Strike two.Uh, he's gonna have a big boy
presser, big boy presser everybody.He's got a field questions from the members
of the media, and it'll looklike you remember when Trump did the thing

(01:07:36):
in the Yellow Room. I alwaysreference this. It's when they upgraded CNND
of very fake news. Love him, hate them whatever you want, and
it was a word solid nightmare.But it wasn't incoherent in the same way
that they're looking at Biden and asas he's getting rolling on that thing and

(01:08:00):
doing things like I don't know thisnow, I want to hand it over
to the President Ukraine, who hasas much courage as he has determination,
ladies and gentlemen. President putin whatthat's his opening volley and then he says
this, I'll take your questions.I've been given a list of people to

(01:08:24):
call on here strike too. No, that's not how you do it.
And I could play the rest ofthe audio. You're aware of it.
It didn't go well, But peopleask what happens if something happens? What
is the what does that look like? When we're hearing that the president is
not going to schedule things after eight, so he go to bed earlier.

(01:08:44):
When we find out from the NewYork Times that's his buddies that he's napping,
which I love being nap, don'tget me wrong, And I wouldn't
be critical, I believe it ornot. I wouldn't be critical of a
president who undertake a nap. Theyhave a pretty insane schedule. Usually the
lot going on. You want toget you want to steal forty five minutes,

(01:09:06):
get a cycle, a rem doyour thing. But it's the totality
of that that begs the question andthe confidence of people. What happens if
something happens, Well, something happened, so we got moments noticed, Joe,
that's what I'm calling it moments noticeJoe, which is badsc called him

(01:09:30):
genocide. Joe minds much more politeand moments notice Joe was what we needed
to see. What happens if somethinghappens and they don't have time to regulate
his sleep, juice him whatever.He's got to get to a podium asap.
Stat as they say on the er, I know that's not on anymore.

(01:09:54):
And he looked as disheveled as possible. He communicated a very short amount
of information. He said he'd triedto reach Trump, he couldn't get him.
Please don't shoot people, this isnot us. Good night, folks.
That was it. And his facelooked like where am I? And

(01:10:15):
I'm not doing this to pile onto all of the stuff that we've been
rushing through over the last few weeks. And I want to point out he
looked that way inarguably the most controllableof crisis situations possible. You got home
field advantage. It's happening here inthe US. It's as best you can

(01:10:42):
tell over this is this is teball, baby, this isn't We don't
know. We've lost touch with ourembassy in Machete stand right, This isn't
this isn't that. This isn't someweird beard somewhere, some ront dictator in

(01:11:06):
Asia looking at you, Kim.They detonated a nuke. Oh my god,
what do we do where we're gettingreal time data and information in and
we don't even with all our listeningposts and black sites and everything else.
Yeah, they got to stop thewaterboarding for a moment and get to the
computers and the listening listening stations rightwhere we're trying to figure out what's going

(01:11:30):
on. That's the situation where we'retrying to execute a raid of a compound
in another country we're not supposed tobe in using brand new technology helicopters with
old school technology Navy seals. Thankgod, everything goes sideways tech wise,

(01:11:51):
right, Remember they had to detonatea helicopter and leave it, and you're
trying to manage that while communicating withthe American public. I can't even and
we do. I've done crisis broadcasting. I'm here because people had a very
bad day. Do you know thatthe way that I was able to and

(01:12:15):
I'd like to think it's not everything, but the thing that I think helped
propel me in my career was twohorrible situations that happened on weekends when I
was just doing I was the utilitydude. I was doing seven days a
week at one point because I dida Sunday show, I did Saturday Morning
on my own, and then Ico was sidekick producer dude for the morning

(01:12:40):
show on the weekdays, and soI was always in the station. I
was trying to get ahead in thisbusiness. And a bridge collapsed, an
interstate bridge in the middle of Minneapoliscollapsed, and I was the one who
went on on air I'm there,and we did that and it it was

(01:13:06):
well received by folks around, andI'd like to think that it helped me
propel my career, as crazy,morbid, horrible as that sounds, and
you have to be ready, andwhat ready looks like or what ready sounds
like in talk radio is not whatit looks like. I've got people coming
in who aren't there. They don'twant to be there. They're serving in

(01:13:29):
some role that they're not familiar with. They're ripping stories, they're running into
the studio. You can't hear it. They're laying things in front of me
that I have to read while Ikeep talking, which is a weird skill
you develop doing this to be ableto read a story. I'm reading something
right now while I'm talking to you. Do you know that I'm reading something
that that Trevor Or program director sentme. I need to stop that.

(01:13:54):
It's not a great habit. Idon't need to read that right now,
but you do it, and thatgot me more responsibility. And it's because
you have to be able to handlethings like that. And so when I
hear reporters out there who are havingto make a judgment call did Trump fall

(01:14:15):
down as some reported and had tobe carried away? That's a set of
words that tells a story that iswildly different from what should have been visually
apparent. And you know the situationalawareness we talk about. And you don't

(01:14:36):
even have to say somebody shot athim. You can say something happened.
It appears that people are wounded,which was which was unquestionable, and Secret
Service has whisked the president away orbut to say that he fell down and

(01:14:58):
was carried away? Is it intentional? It's inaccurate and whether it was done
out of your subconscious because you're justprogrammed to not like the guy, or
you intentionally use those words. Ithink it's the former, not the latter.
It speaks volumes man, And sowhether the reporter's there or moments notice

(01:15:21):
Joe having to roll in on thesoftest, the shortest putt you'll probably experience
of a crisis in a in apresident's reign, and to not look like
you know where you are. Thatcannot be lost in this. So yes,
am I am I injecting politics.I am a little bit, but

(01:15:45):
unfortunately this is a test that youcan't fake and it shouldn't be unnoticed.
All right, Jamal, thanks forhanging on? What's up? Hopefull we
get the phone? We got yourphone spotted up there or turn on?
Okay, hang on, hang on. See this is why we have a
team. The phone's on there,all right? Yeah, I can you

(01:16:09):
hear me? Yeah, I canhear you. Now, what's up,
sir? You okay? I wantto say this. I'm doing great,
k well, horrible because of whathappened is weekend, but it will sing
number one. And I'm scared forMark Robinson too, because the same way
they talk about President Trump, theytalk about Mark Robinson and me and Mark
Robinson are friends. I'm really scaredfor Mark Robinson as well. Because of

(01:16:29):
this, the Democrat Party keeps saying, oh, you know, political violence
isn't isn't isn't a choice is wrongand we should have a disagreement of opinions.
This is not a disagreement of opinionswhen you call people that disagree with
you bigots, omphales, racist,members of the reiterated real quick Jamal Mark

(01:16:55):
Robinson in a in a cartoon byW. R. A. L.
Was made as a clan member.That is that is that cannot be lost
in this. You charactertured him asa member of the clan, a black
man, a member of the clan. And I think if you got one

(01:17:15):
hundred people in a room and yousaid, hey, the grand Wizard of
the clan got run over, youknow, uh, run over by a
truck. Uh, there wouldn't bevery very many sad people. So it's
really, it's really I I shareI share your concern absolutely, and so
to me, when I hear themand you forgot what they said about thoughts

(01:17:38):
and prayers, you don't hear thething I didn't forget. I rolled my
eye. One of my eyes isstill stuck in the back of my head,
Jamal, I didn't forget. Sothey sit here and say, you
know, thousand prayers. But tome, when they specifically say that this
is a threat to democracy, thatthe people at the Trump Riley's are terrorists,

(01:18:02):
they are supporting anti you can't callyourself a patree if you support Donald
Trump. Watching these people for allthis time keep saying this to me,
them saying we're gonna unify, it'scrazy. And I'm gonna tell you some
casey, And you may think I'mcrazy, I disagree with you when I
say this is gonna help President Trump. This is gonna help President Biden.

(01:18:24):
I'm gonna tell you why. Becausenow also happened. The Democrat Party said
that we're gonna coalists around Biden.Also, the press stopped covering Biden screw
us like last night when he didthat press conference he said the battle box.
This man literally said we're gonna beall We're gonna go to the battle

(01:18:46):
box like what he was, screwingall up, slunning his words. But
nobody talks about that because the mediais back doing what they did before,
covering for him, because hey,this is their God, so they're gonna
try to get President they getting PresidentTrump. Oh, this is on both
sides. This is not both sides, because when President Trump talked about illegal

(01:19:10):
immigrants killing Americans, this has actuallyhappened. Just because I oppose gay marriage
does not mean I'm against democracy,because at one time, less than twenty
years ago, gay marriage was nota thing people had a right to say
they were against it. Just becauseI'm opposed to abortion, that doesn't mean
I'm enslaving women or I'm trying tomurder women. Just because I'm against DEEI.

(01:19:33):
Just because I'm against affirmative action doesn'tmean I'm trying to put black people
back in slavery. And that numbertoo many black folks, and I have
said, Oh, and Joe Biden, he sat there and said, Brent
Romney, gonna put y'all back andchange. How you gonna put somebody back
and change? You got the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth Amendment. Will

(01:19:53):
have consik constantly on that side.Make it look like if you disagree with
that progressively the thing that you area threat and extential threat to the nation
because you have a difference of opinion. This man, mister Corey, I
don't want to butcher his last namethis man who was a retired firefighter one

(01:20:14):
year older than me, fifty diedshot and killed because he was at a
Trump riley. And you know what, there are many people George Stepanopolis,
who are blaming this on President Trumpand his ride and trying to say January
of the sixth people, so theyare they're already blaming President Trump and Republicans
for this. They're saying this isour fault, January of the sixth,

(01:20:38):
But don't talk about the Black Livesmatter. Jamar, Jamal, you're on
a roll. I am so incrediblylate for my break. I'm sorry because
what's gonna happen in thirty seconds isI'm gonna get fired. So I got
you my very oh man. Okay, but I hear a lot of passion
here and your points are not loston me. And that's why that was

(01:21:00):
point number two on my big stackof stuff. If you think somebody's literally
hitler and you're simultaneously glad they're okayafter something like this where you're lying then
or you're lying now, we'll geton with it next. Hang on a
Cacoda radio program, and you know, we just we have one one story

(01:21:21):
today. I know it's obvious andit's strange when you have those days,
but that's the world of talk radio. Sometimes the events that precede those kinds
of days are some that will neverever forget. Right, nine to eleven,

(01:21:41):
nine to eleven. I laugh whenI say that, not because it's
funny, but because it's just youkick the old memory bank, kid.
It was a fundamental change in theway that we do what we do,
Like there was stuff we didn't knowwe needed to be ready for on our
side of things that manifested and changestaffing, change the way that we plan

(01:22:08):
for things. Without getting too technical, there are things called macros that we
utilize to tell the basically tell theradio station what to do. And when
I say the radio station, Imean the log right, the series of
my voice commercials, news, weather, and traffic that you hear. And

(01:22:29):
you can build a command that tellsit to do a variety of things.
But when you fire that one command, that one macro, it it changes.
And so like when my show startsin the morning, there's a macro
for me, and it changes whatstudio to pull audio from and what promos

(01:22:51):
and bumpers to use. Like it'sall built in and so it's one touch
boom. Now you're in this roomand I built a macro. I can't
tell you what it was called.It's rather coarse humor, but it just
says we bef't because I amuse mesometimes. But I knew that if the

(01:23:17):
peanut butter hit the fan or whateverthat commercial says, that I could hit
that and whatever was going on,whatever is happening, whatever breaking news is
going down, it would stop everythingelse, give me total control, but

(01:23:39):
continue to have audio coming out ofyour speakers. And so all of that
behind the scenes stuff is what newsagencies do. It just took a very
long, roundabout way of telling youthat when you are a member of the
press who covers a rally that involvessecret service, these are possibilities that are

(01:24:04):
not foreign to you, from thescreening that takes place, to the behind
the scenes the paperwork, to themtelling you where you can and can't move.
You ever been in a press pitand have to go to the bathroom
and you're in this weird window,you're kind of screwed man, depending on
the setup. So this is whyI take issue with the way that the

(01:24:30):
wording was on some of these things, and the analysis in real time that
was attempting to be done where you, yes, you can't call something certain
things until you have a a confirmationof some sort. But also you're the

(01:24:55):
media, so you can call itlike you see it when it comes to
important things. To sit there andsay yesterday, as one reporter did,
down to this is for the firsttime I'm gonna go to a story and
not just off the top of myhead. So that's probably good for all
of us. Maybe I'll even getit right when when when you have a

(01:25:18):
reporter arguing with people about refusing touse the term attempted assassination because they have
the government hasn't told us that's whatit is yet do you even hear yourself?

(01:25:39):
I won't call it this thing thateverybody with eyeballs knows it is.
I'm not talking to at the moment, right we're where we've moved away from
the initial Trump fell and they carriedhim off. That in and of itself
is problematic. But now we're intothis thing, it's abundantly clear. You

(01:26:01):
know that a shooter is dead amale. Remember for a long time it
was just male shooter is dead.That was what was said. You know,
that somebody in the crowd is dead. You know that Trump has blood
on him and the analysis of peopleon Twitter is amazing. Ah, he
put it there. Yeah, becausehe just carries vials of blood around with

(01:26:26):
him, costume blood with him everywherehe goes, so on the off chance
that somebody near him is murdered witha rifle, he can smear it on
himself. For political points, that'sa rando. You're a reporter. You

(01:26:48):
have a person with a gun whohas shot and wounded and killed people,
and one of the people who waswounded was the President of the United States
for four years, maybe the presidentagain for four more years, but will
carry that title and thus Secret Serviceprotection for the rest of his life.

(01:27:13):
You don't need the government to signoff on those words at that point.
I do not believe, and I'dhave to go I'd have to go in
the way back machine and pull upthe sound. But I don't think that
reporters in Dallas had any problem usingthe term assassinate. And there's the famous

(01:27:36):
report you've all heard where they saidthat the president has been shot. The
president has been shot, and it'scronkite and you've seen it. I'm sure
his president's been shot, and he'staken the hospital, and almost in the
amount of time it takes him tosay those things, you can tell somebody

(01:27:56):
saying something to him in his ear. He puts his hand to the side
of his head. He pauses fora moment, and then he tells you
the president is dead. Do youthink that's because the government signed off on
him using those words? No,it's because the people that work for Knkite

(01:28:21):
were at that and we're talking topeople and garnered and gathered and got the
information. And yes, death confirmationis probably something you're gonna need somebody to
do. But the things around itthat somebody shot at the president, there
wasn't a person in the city ofDallas, in the United States of America,
anywhere in the world that didn't go, Oh, they tried to assassinate

(01:28:43):
him. Everybody knows that term.There's a whole video game franchise calls Assassin's
creed and it's about you ready forthis, are you sitting down? It's
about assassinating people. But when ina political spectrum, when you when you

(01:29:06):
try to kill a politician, assassinateis the term that you use. And
that is whether it is successful orunsuccessful, even when the who is there
was an Ecuador where the guy hada dude shoot at him, so he
would shoot at him, so peoplewould think, No, I can't remember.

(01:29:27):
I want to be very clear,I can't remember what country it was
where a guy had a like pretendto assassinate me, so my numbers will
go up, like they still usethe term assassinate there even though it turned
out I guess it wouldn't technically bethat because he wasn't going to shoot him,

(01:29:48):
so that would be the only reasonnot to use it. So sitting
there and watching reporters on Twitter,go I can't use it till the government
signs off on that word. Doyou even hear yourself? You're a reporter,
report Mark? What's up? Casey? First of all, as real

(01:30:13):
consequences? Okay, And these folksthat are pushing the narrative that Trump is
the worst thing ever to walk theface of the Europe. It almost not
only invites this kind of thing,but it almost makes it a legitimate act.
It is not but your second,your second, your second, your
second point is the more accurate andscarier point. I believe it's it is

(01:30:39):
it it because It goes back tothe literally Hitler thing. If you told
me that literally Hitler, who wasin a position to do all the things
that he did. Uh, andand it's moments before didn't get hit I
would say shoot at him again becauseit's literally Hitler, and we know what's
going to happen. And when yougo down that road you get to you're

(01:31:00):
talking about sir. That's right.And I have something to say about President
Biden's speech last night. First ofall, I don't want to put from
the Oval Office for the fake OvalOffice about Yeah, well they say a
lot of things, but you knowhis clan that he's putting politics aside that
lasted until eight oh one, becauseif you listen to that speech carefully,

(01:31:21):
he talks about how there's no placefor violence, and then he says like
and puts about five things that arerelated to Republicans for the Right, including
six to assassinate your political phones,crapping out on me just a little there.

(01:31:44):
So yeah, I look, II do I think and thank you
for the call. Do I thinkpolitics is aside? No? And you
know what, maybe it shouldn't be. Maybe maybe the politics should be there
for the purpose of maybe evaluating itand all, because putting it aside is
pretending that what's going on isn't goingon for later to go on again,

(01:32:10):
someme to think about raced agic realquick. We got a little weather forecast
thing we got to do, solet's do this thing from the weather channel.
What's happening, man, go ahead, Well, not much change yet,
but change coming towards the end ofthe week. I think everybody probably
going to be happier. I don'tknow too many people like the heat and
communities thunder heat advisory for most ofthe try and we'll try it parts of

(01:32:31):
it upper nineties to low one hundreds. The next couple of days, the
heat index or what it feels likeone oh five, maybe even hotter at
times in some spots, so justdangerously hot. Storm chances will start going
up. We'll have a chance tomorrow, a little better chance Wednesday than Thursday.
Friday we'll have the best chances ofthe week, scattered shower storms,
and then temperatures are going to comedown, real nice cool off coming by

(01:32:53):
Thursday only near ninety and then byFriday only low eighties, maybe some middle
eighties, and then by the weekend, think lodal mid eighty. So a
cool downcoming, but so much neededwet weather with it. Okay, all
right, thank you, sir,appreciate it, and we will be right
back. Hang on. Well,Casey and Jeff Bellinger from Bloomberg News here
at eight fifty three. Jeff,what's happening today? Well, good morning,

(01:33:16):
Casey. Stock Market futures are pointinghigher as Wall Street weighs the implications
of the attempted assassination of Donald Trumpand its potential impact on the presidential election,
and the price of oil has beenfluctuating since the assassination attempt on mister
Trump. The attack on the formerpresident has resulted in more uncertainty about the

(01:33:36):
election, the dollars modestly higher.That's a headwind for oil. Global demand
for smartphones picked up in the secondquarter. Researchers report worldwide shipments rose more
than six percent. Shipments of AppleiPhone stabilized, other manufacturers saw accelerated growth.
Sales were driven by new artificial intelligencefeatures and aggressive discounts. A hacker

(01:33:59):
who claims to have been behind thetheft of sensitive call and text data from
AT and T now claims to havebeen paid about four hundred thousand dollars to
erase the data. It's not clearhow the reported transaction was carried out,
and analysis of a Bitcoin wallet addressprovided by the hacker did turn up a
transaction that coincided with the alleged payment. They are considered the working poor,

(01:34:20):
people who have jobs but have nomoney left over after covering basic expenses.
Bank Rate reports a third of theAmerican workforce falls into that category of workers
who say they're living paycheck to paycheck, and they're not able to say for
the future. And to Casey,it is the eve of Amazon's annual sales
event. The online retail giant willbe rolling out big Prime Day discounts on

(01:34:45):
electronics, clothing, and other merchandise. Adobe estimates internet shoppers will spend fourteen
billion dollars over the next two days, eleven percent more than last year.
And Casey, Amazon won't be theonly retailer that benefits. Can I ask
you something real quick? When yougot it, when you first got into
radio, did you think at anypoint in your career you would ever string

(01:35:05):
the words together? The attempt excuseme, the attempt at assassination of President
Trump. It's just it's so it'sstill to this day is wild to me,
all of these things. So itis no idea you wouldn't have guessed
over the over the years, I'vestrung together a lot of phrases I never
expected. Yeah, that's right,Yeah, that's that's the biz. We're

(01:35:27):
end all right, thanks Jeff appreciation. Okay, Yeah, Like, I
don't know, it just it's justit's just still strange. It's not a
bad thing. It's just strange.It's just weird. Man. Come on,
you gotta admit a little. Whenwhen he first got elected first time,

(01:35:47):
you're like President Trump, You're like, duh, it's a little strange,
right, just in and it's awayfrom all of the standard political I
hate you, you hate me stuff, just because of what you knew him
from. The guy had just satthere on Comedy Central and got roasted like
the year before or something. Youstill watch that roast. It's weird watching

(01:36:11):
it now. But this is wherewe are. This is where we are,
and I will will things get better? I don't know. I could.
I could sit here and do anotherthree hours just playing you audio from
Barry. You notice I didn't thismorning, I didn't sit here, And
there'll be time this week, don'tworry and dwell on it. And there's

(01:36:33):
doing a laundry list of people likeBenny Thompson's field director, who is no
longer his field director, right,Jacqueline Marsaw who thought to tweet after a
quote I don't condone violence, butplease get you some shooting lessons so you

(01:36:55):
don't miss next time. Oops?Misspelled? Ops's got next time? Oh?
I guess it's for effect. Ah, that wasn't me talking. Oops,
that wasn't me talking. Well,it's not a good look to say

(01:37:15):
the very least or to the Coloradodude who I thought he was clever with
the simp uh sympathy for the devil? What goes what goes through your mind?
Man? CBS News, who werewho were here? We go?

(01:37:44):
CBS News who was upset that Trumpdidn't try to uh quote this, uh
lower the political temperature? What?What the hell are you talking about?
What do you so? What doyou want him to do? I got

(01:38:04):
a new ear piercing. Let metalk to you about the political temperature.
He didn't, he didn't go outand tell and by the way, he
did literally there are statements and thereare things after this reporting which are clearly
that not just from Trump but fromeverybody