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(00:00):
Bob Carey back to the program.Good Friend, a former Nebraska governor and
US Senator, and who has poppedup just recently in the news, having
made some comments about the twenty twentyfour campaign in the election and Joe Biden's
fitness. Bob, good morning.Great to have you back. I too
nice to be with you. Whydid you have a mortuary before I went
(00:21):
on the show. We just thoughtit might be appropriate, that's all.
Hey. You wait, I couldhave launched in the heathy, Heafy and
Hoffin right there, but I didn't, you know, I restraint. Yeah.
The symmetry is hard to miss,isn't it, Bob, I love
(00:42):
symmetry. Describe your relationship with JoeBiden. You served with him in the
US Senate, and I think youconsider him a friend, right, Yes,
I mean I'm not a close friend, but yes, I consider him
a friend. I like him,I admire him. I stiff him at
twenty and I'll vote for him againat twenty four. You will, Yeah,
(01:03):
Okay, that's interesting to me.By the way, I'm in the
news on this. I'm in thenews on this because I wrote what I
call a brilliant and compelling op edon the on the deficit. Of course
they all that's true, right,but given but given what we've all,
(01:23):
what we've all seen, and youso you would be one of the thirty
whatever percent that that says that JoeBiden is fit for the job. Right,
Yes, I would add I wouldadd one word to that sentence.
Fit enough. But it reveals Lookfor me, it was watching this thing
(01:46):
is painful. Uh. And there'stwo things that two points that I'd make.
One is, uh, the processof the two parties to select their
nominee for president is corrupt, andwe need federal law that takes back that
power. Fine, let the partiescontrol the rules of the game for members
of the House and Senate and stateoffices. But we have one elected person
(02:08):
that represents the entire country, andboth these parties are corrupt. And you
can see it in the response youknow there, Oh my god, we
can't. We can't abandon Joe orthe president himself saying oh, it's a
violation of democracy. Almost every rulethat selects the party representative for president is
(02:29):
against democracy. So it's not likehe's got democracy on his side making the
case for I think the guy needsto watch that debate I saw and when
he was with Stefan Offlas, Buthe said, I hadn't watched it,
but he needs to watch it.Didn't know if he didn't think he'd watched
that. That was concerning to me. But you mean you don't know if
you will Well, no, hewas. You know, I've been in
(02:51):
that situation before, where I'm sittingthere saying should I say yes, should
I say no? Should I lie? Should I tell the truth? And
he finally got to it. Hefinally told the truth. No, he
hadn't watched it, but he needsto because it wasn't just a bad day,
it wasn't just a bad date.He had. Eighty percent of American
people think it's too over on.You know, you've experienced this, and
I've experienced it more than you have. There's a big difference between somebody who
(03:16):
persists, whether it's a bad breakthey've had in their life or building a
business or keeping their marriage going orwhatever it is you just pushed through,
and somebody who was an action whereyou know, you ignore the facts and
you're so stubborn even though the factsare all saying don't do it, you
do it, And I think,what what the president is doing right now,
(03:37):
is responding to stubbornness, and Idon't admire it. I don't admire
stubbornness. I admire resilience. Iadmire people who stick to it and fight
through difficult circumstances. But this isstubbornness beyond reason, and I think he's
going to regret it. Let melet me the talking with Bob Perrier.
Let me let me ask you this, you would if if he's I think
(03:58):
I'm talking too much. No,we had more time. But I mean
if you you would vote for himif he's the candidate, Let me ask
you this. Should he be thecandidate, then do you think he will
be? Well, you probably rememberJames Carville he offhead. I don't know
where it was. I just readit online where he lays out an alternative
(04:18):
way to select a Democratic candidate.It's compelling. We don't have to do
it the way the Democratic Party haswritten. These rule we can change and
he laid it out, but beginswith Biden because I don't think the I
don't think the party itself has thecohony is necessary to change strategy. But
(04:38):
there are there are a number ofcandidates on the bench in the Congress,
in the occupying governor's offices. Theycould easily be a compelling candidate running against
Donald Trump. But I just don'tsee. We're not hitting there. I
don't want to. I don't wantto commit this sin. I'm worried about
Joe doing. I don't want to, you know, become stubborn in this
(04:59):
because he he's decided that he's goingto continue. He never know with with
politics, it's possible that he wins. I think it's more likely he loses.
Is more likely he loses as aconsequence of being stubborn with the evidence.
He needs to watch that debate Gary, He needs to look at that
debate, maybe with staff and others, to say that wasn't a bad day.
(05:24):
That was Oh I got up inthe morning and I dealt my toe.
Who does he listen to or whowould he listen to if they came
to him and said, Joe,if you stay in, not only are
you going to lose, but awhole bunch of other Democrats are going to
lose too. And you know,I don't know. I think first of
all, he listens to himself,and that's where stubborness comes from. Sutney's
(05:46):
got the support of his wife Jill, but I don't think anybody can talk
him out of this, and otherthan him, and I think that's where
it's headed. I think it's worth'sheaded as a you know them Acress were
gathering and Chicago, and they'll nominateJoe Biden and he'll read a great speech
on a telliprompter and everybody's going tofeel good, but it won't alter the
(06:09):
basic facts. He's got eighty percentof American people think he's too old,
and that's not that's not accidental.No. See, he and I had
well, look, he and Ihad conversations where I told him I am
eighty and I don't want to getyou all sad about this. But let's
say I go to bed tonight andI die. Go to bed tonight and
(06:30):
I die in my sleep. Youknow what? You know what they won't
say tomorrow morning about that. Thatwas a surprise. If I was fifty,
it's a surprise. Come on,what about this one one more thing?
Bob carry What about what if BillClinton Barack Obama show up in his
office? But if those two doit, yeah, sorry, And they
(06:56):
say, look, Joe, yougot to get out. Is he going
to listen to them? I doubtit. See, here's my problem.
Here's my problem, Bob. Themark of the mark of stubbornness is an
unwillingness to adjust the facts at handthat everybody sees and knows. And that's
what we're dealing with here. Yes, this is not resilience. This is
(07:17):
stubbornness. And it's not the firsttime I've witnessed it. Here's my problem.
And I want to get your takebecause you've been close to it.
You want I want to solve yourproblem. Well, here it is.
Here. It is that that infamousthree am call comes and there's a there's
a genuine situation room emergency that requiresrapid fire decision making and life and death
(07:42):
decisions to be made, and maybestaying up twenty four hours. What happens
then if Joe Biden's president. Firstof all, the three am phone call
scenario is a movie scenario, Well, it could have in real life.
No, it doesn't happen. Itcouldn't happen. That's not how you know.
He'll be awoken. It will beanalyzed the situation president. That's what
(08:03):
we recommend he'll take. That course. That's how it works. He doesn't
because you're not sitting there in yourjammy. It's at three o'clock in the
morning. Uh, you know,trying to figure this out because perhaps way
more people than necessary to reach yourright conclusion. But the three am call
is a it's either a political fantasyor it's a movie fantasy. It's not
how it works. Well, itcame from Hillary's can I know? But
(08:26):
that so this I hope I solveyour problem. I'm trying to well know
you didn't because because Uncle g coulddecide to fire one off at three in
the morning our time, and soyou're saying they're going to wait till seven
to make a phone call. Anyway, No, that's not how it works.
That is not a thing. That'sa weapon in our direction. Uh,
(08:50):
it's an all hands drill. Youknow. The president plays a role
to to be minor role in thatdecision making process. Thanks for coming.
I'm always good to chat. AndJim solved a lot of problems. Well,
yeah, well, Bob and Ihave a mutual friend named Jim.
Yes, and we did. Wesolved them all at lunch yesterday. Bob
happy to know, all right,Bob, carry AB's morning news,
Bob Carey back to the program.Good Friend, a former Nebraska governor and
US Senator, and who has poppedup just recently in the news, having
made some comments about the twenty twentyfour campaign in the election and Joe Biden's
fitness. Bob, good morning.Great to have you back. I too
nice to be with you. Whydid you have a mortuary before I went
(00:21):
on the show. We just thoughtit might be appropriate, that's all.
Hey. You wait, I couldhave launched in the heathy, Heafy and
Hoffin right there, but I didn't, you know, I restraint. Yeah.
The symmetry is hard to miss,isn't it, Bob, I love
(00:42):
symmetry. Describe your relationship with JoeBiden. You served with him in the
US Senate, and I think youconsider him a friend, right, Yes,
I mean I'm not a close friend, but yes, I consider him
a friend. I like him,I admire him. I stiff him at
twenty and I'll vote for him againat twenty four. You will, Yeah,
(01:03):
Okay, that's interesting to me.By the way, I'm in the
news on this. I'm in thenews on this because I wrote what I
call a brilliant and compelling op edon the on the deficit. Of course
they all that's true, right,but given but given what we've all,
(01:23):
what we've all seen, and youso you would be one of the thirty
whatever percent that that says that JoeBiden is fit for the job. Right,
Yes, I would add I wouldadd one word to that sentence.
Fit enough. But it reveals Lookfor me, it was watching this thing
(01:46):
is painful. Uh. And there'stwo things that two points that I'd make.
One is, uh, the processof the two parties to select their
nominee for president is corrupt, andwe need federal law that takes back that
power. Fine, let the partiescontrol the rules of the game for members
of the House and Senate and stateoffices. But we have one elected person
(02:08):
that represents the entire country, andboth these parties are corrupt. And you
can see it in the response youknow there, Oh my god, we
can't. We can't abandon Joe orthe president himself saying oh, it's a
violation of democracy. Almost every rulethat selects the party representative for president is
(02:29):
against democracy. So it's not likehe's got democracy on his side making the
case for I think the guy needsto watch that debate I saw and when
he was with Stefan Offlas, Buthe said, I hadn't watched it,
but he needs to watch it.Didn't know if he didn't think he'd watched
that. That was concerning to me. But you mean you don't know if
you will Well, no, hewas. You know, I've been in
(02:51):
that situation before, where I'm sittingthere saying should I say yes, should
I say no? Should I lie? Should I tell the truth? And
he finally got to it. Hefinally told the truth. No, he
hadn't watched it, but he needsto because it wasn't just a bad day,
it wasn't just a bad date.He had. Eighty percent of American
people think it's too over on.You know, you've experienced this, and
I've experienced it more than you have. There's a big difference between somebody who
(03:16):
persists, whether it's a bad breakthey've had in their life or building a
business or keeping their marriage going orwhatever it is you just pushed through,
and somebody who was an action whereyou know, you ignore the facts and
you're so stubborn even though the factsare all saying don't do it, you
do it, And I think,what what the president is doing right now,
(03:37):
is responding to stubbornness, and Idon't admire it. I don't admire
stubbornness. I admire resilience. Iadmire people who stick to it and fight
through difficult circumstances. But this isstubbornness beyond reason, and I think he's
going to regret it. Let melet me the talking with Bob Perrier.
Let me let me ask you this, you would if if he's I think
(03:58):
I'm talking too much. No,we had more time. But I mean
if you you would vote for himif he's the candidate, Let me ask
you this. Should he be thecandidate, then do you think he will
be? Well, you probably rememberJames Carville he offhead. I don't know
where it was. I just readit online where he lays out an alternative
(04:18):
way to select a Democratic candidate.It's compelling. We don't have to do
it the way the Democratic Party haswritten. These rule we can change and
he laid it out, but beginswith Biden because I don't think the I
don't think the party itself has thecohony is necessary to change strategy. But
(04:38):
there are there are a number ofcandidates on the bench in the Congress,
in the occupying governor's offices. Theycould easily be a compelling candidate running against
Donald Trump. But I just don'tsee. We're not hitting there. I
don't want to. I don't wantto commit this sin. I'm worried about
Joe doing. I don't want to, you know, become stubborn in this
(04:59):
because he he's decided that he's goingto continue. He never know with with
politics, it's possible that he wins. I think it's more likely he loses.
Is more likely he loses as aconsequence of being stubborn with the evidence.
He needs to watch that debate Gary, He needs to look at that
debate, maybe with staff and others, to say that wasn't a bad day.
(05:24):
That was Oh I got up inthe morning and I dealt my toe.
Who does he listen to or whowould he listen to if they came
to him and said, Joe,if you stay in, not only are
you going to lose, but awhole bunch of other Democrats are going to
lose too. And you know,I don't know. I think first of
all, he listens to himself,and that's where stubborness comes from. Sutney's
(05:46):
got the support of his wife Jill, but I don't think anybody can talk
him out of this, and otherthan him, and I think that's where
it's headed. I think it's worth'sheaded as a you know them Acress were
gathering and Chicago, and they'll nominateJoe Biden and he'll read a great speech
on a telliprompter and everybody's going tofeel good, but it won't alter the
(06:09):
basic facts. He's got eighty percentof American people think he's too old,
and that's not that's not accidental.No. See, he and I had
well, look, he and Ihad conversations where I told him I am
eighty and I don't want to getyou all sad about this. But let's
say I go to bed tonight andI die. Go to bed tonight and
(06:30):
I die in my sleep. Youknow what? You know what they won't
say tomorrow morning about that. Thatwas a surprise. If I was fifty,
it's a surprise. Come on,what about this one one more thing?
Bob carry What about what if BillClinton Barack Obama show up in his
office? But if those two doit, yeah, sorry, And they
(06:56):
say, look, Joe, yougot to get out. Is he going
to listen to them? I doubtit. See, here's my problem.
Here's my problem, Bob. Themark of the mark of stubbornness is an
unwillingness to adjust the facts at handthat everybody sees and knows. And that's
what we're dealing with here. Yes, this is not resilience. This is
(07:17):
stubbornness. And it's not the firsttime I've witnessed it. Here's my problem.
And I want to get your takebecause you've been close to it.
You want I want to solve yourproblem. Well, here it is.
Here. It is that that infamousthree am call comes and there's a there's
a genuine situation room emergency that requiresrapid fire decision making and life and death
(07:42):
decisions to be made, and maybestaying up twenty four hours. What happens
then if Joe Biden's president. Firstof all, the three am phone call
scenario is a movie scenario, Well, it could have in real life.
No, it doesn't happen. Itcouldn't happen. That's not how you know.
He'll be awoken. It will beanalyzed the situation president. That's what
(08:03):
we recommend he'll take. That course. That's how it works. He doesn't
because you're not sitting there in yourjammy. It's at three o'clock in the
morning. Uh, you know,trying to figure this out because perhaps way
more people than necessary to reach yourright conclusion. But the three am call
is a it's either a political fantasyor it's a movie fantasy. It's not
how it works. Well, itcame from Hillary's can I know? But
(08:26):
that so this I hope I solveyour problem. I'm trying to well know
you didn't because because Uncle g coulddecide to fire one off at three in
the morning our time, and soyou're saying they're going to wait till seven
to make a phone call. Anyway, No, that's not how it works.
That is not a thing. That'sa weapon in our direction. Uh,
(08:50):
it's an all hands drill. Youknow. The president plays a role
to to be minor role in thatdecision making process. Thanks for coming.
I'm always good to chat. AndJim solved a lot of problems. Well,
yeah, well, Bob and Ihave a mutual friend named Jim.
Yes, and we did. Wesolved them all at lunch yesterday. Bob
happy to know, all right,Bob, carry AB's morning news,
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