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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We welcome our good friend Thor Shrock to the program.
Host to compute this every Sunday morning at seven on
news radio eleven to ten KFAB because I have to know,
I have to know if I'm a good morning, if
I'm Israel, if I'm Israel and I want to make
a bunch of dirt bag terrorist pagers blow up at
the simultaneously, how do I do that?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know, that's a great question. And I'm sure that
this is I'm trying to imagine that the planning meeting
where this came together, you know, and some guy walked in,
he goes, you know, I got an idea. They kind
of went from there. Yeah. So basically, from everything that's
been reported so far, in summary, there's a manufacturer. Basically
it was a show corporation that was controlled by Israel.
(00:46):
That the company that makes the pagers, they don't actually
make their own pages. They outsource it to a manufacturing company.
And this manufacturing company was controlled by the Masade and
included a little etn explosive extra in the battery. Uh.
And what they did is they did something to the
pager that caused the battery to heat up to a
certain temperature. Which triggered the explosives. And that's basically they
(01:10):
sent a signal that that caused the pagers to heat
up and blow up, and that's essentially how they did it.
Then what nobody expected though, is that that was just
the first phase. Then, of course, wants the pagers. They
went to pagers because cell phones can be tracked. They
don't want to be tracked, so they switched to these
pages and then the pages blow up, and like, well,
we still don't want to be tracked, so let's go
our old two way radios and use those. We just
(01:31):
got to ship into those a couple of weeks ago.
This is going to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Uh yeah, yeah, So that's so that's kind of that,
that's kind of the logistics of it. But technologically, throw
what sell. They had to have all the numbers Israel, right,
They had to have all the numbers that they could
simultaneously or almost simultaneously send a signal.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know, that's you know, they had to have some
intelligence behind the scene. You couldn't just you know, just
waunched this attack. The other thing that was that's amazing
to me is think about the logistical control you had
to have from the from the point of this manufacturer.
You know what if somebody else would have bought a
case of those pagers, right.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
They had to have controlled the supply chain somehow, thor
there's there's got to be some sort of either payoff
or some sort of unique control of the supply chain
for that very reason.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is that possible or at least just the shipping so
you know, you know which cases are are tampered, and
you know which ones are legit. And when you get
an order from somebody who you know is Hamas or
excuse me for you know, is Hesbolah, then you know
you send the appropriate tampered container. When you get an
order from a hospital, you know you send a good container.
So you know the other thing you got to feel
(02:44):
bad for is the poor Pager company. I mean, could
you imagine this to your company? You know, and it's
like all of a sudden, you know, my products are
exploding because we didn't do that. But but but but
then the technology to do this is nothing magical or new.
I mean, this accidentally happened to Dell about a decade ago.
You might recall Dell n HP had a huge recall
for batteries that would catch on fire, And basically it's
(03:07):
a fuse. And so if you heat the battery after
you have a flaw in the battery that causes it
under a specific circumstance to short shorts to create an
electrical charge or a heat event thermal event, and you
have explosive laced into the battery intentionally. Well, but I
don't think.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
That the pager company is too worried about the customer
surveys in Lebanon.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
By the way, who uses pagers? I mean who manufactures?
That's an eighties nineties thing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Really is we deal? Every time I drive downtown there's
this there's a big there's an HTS beeper building that's
got the beeper gas.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yes, that's right, And every time I.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Drive by that building, I wonder that same thing. But
apparently you know, there must be somebody still buying.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Anything Thorsrock with us. This question has come up one
form or another to me over the last couple of days.
Maybe you can address it. Can our cell phones, for example,
uh be made to explode like those pagers and walkie talkies?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Did you know that's the exact same thought that I
had too, Because aren't there some people in the world
that would would would appreciate sending a few devices like that,
and they wouldn't be nearly as discriminate about who they
sent them to, you know, if you had a and
the batteries. The reason that there were so many more
fatalities with the walkie talkies than they were with the
pagers is the size of the battery. Takes a lot
(04:27):
more juice to power a walkie talkie. Bigger battery, more explosives.
Your cell phone has a much larger battery than a pager,
so the same the same effect could be achieved with
you know, very dramatic and you're holding it to the
side of your head. You know that's not going to
be good. So you know, the thought occurs to me
as well that, you know, when we're dealing with manufacturing
(04:49):
and we're dealing with you know, these products. There was
a recently an unrelated story about an increasing number of
tariffs on goods coming in through Timu and Ali Baba
into the United States. These are goods that are manufactured
by you know, one off Chinese manufacturing companies. They're they're
they're literally micro businesses, they're small businesses what we call
them in America that manufacture and export electronics, and it's
(05:11):
a it's a huge marketplace. So you could have you know,
ten thousand different little mini companies in China making tablets
for example, or cell phones. Uh, and they're just you know,
you can put your own brand on them. If you
buy enough of them, you can you know, you can
do whatever. It would not be terribly difficult to compromise
one of those companies and do something like this. The
problem would be how do you achieve penetration into the
(05:32):
marketplace that is, you know, sufficient to cause any damage.
You'd have to compromise a major brand. You'd have to
have a Samsung or a Motorola or something like that,
and or an iPhone. Could you imagine for Apple, isn't
our phones? We don't manufacture them. We we outsource that.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, right, what would be what what in your estimation
are the chances or that we will ever on shore
that the production of those devices and and and those
products to the.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
United So there's a scenario in which that can happen,
but it's not purely like a technological scenario. The thing
that kills you is the cost of labor. Americans get
paid way way way more per hour or per job
or per unit of production, then people overseas are paid,
so neither A. We achieve this through automation. In other words,
(06:22):
we don't need the people anymore, which has it's good
news bad news scenario as well. Or b the economy
of the United States explodes to the upside so positively
that people don't care that their goods doubling costs and
that they would prefer they can afford to buy goods
that are made in America rather than made overseas. You know,
(06:42):
the last twenty years of economic policy has been outsourced
the labor overseas, you know, send the jobs overseas, which
is a less popular way of saying, you know, outsource
the labor to bring the cost of the goods down.
And then Americans can have lower cost goods and we
can literally export our inflation to other countries with that.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And some products, but some I can't. Pharmaceuticals come to mind,
and tech comes to mind. Thorschrock, thanks so much.
We welcome our good friend Thor Shrock to the program.
Host to compute this every Sunday morning at seven on
news radio eleven to ten KFAB because I have to know,
I have to know if I'm a good morning, if
I'm Israel, if I'm Israel and I want to make
a bunch of dirt bag terrorist pagers blow up at
the simultaneously, how do I do that?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know, that's a great question. And I'm sure that
this is I'm trying to imagine that the planning meeting
where this came together, you know, and some guy walked in,
he goes, you know, I got an idea. They kind
of went from there. Yeah. So basically, from everything that's
been reported so far, in summary, there's a manufacturer. Basically
it was a show corporation that was controlled by Israel.
(00:46):
That the company that makes the pagers, they don't actually
make their own pages. They outsource it to a manufacturing company.
And this manufacturing company was controlled by the Masade and
included a little etn explosive extra in the battery. Uh.
And what they did is they did something to the
pager that caused the battery to heat up to a
certain temperature. Which triggered the explosives. And that's basically they
(01:10):
sent a signal that that caused the pagers to heat
up and blow up, and that's essentially how they did it.
Then what nobody expected though, is that that was just
the first phase. Then, of course, wants the pagers. They
went to pagers because cell phones can be tracked. They
don't want to be tracked, so they switched to these
pages and then the pages blow up, and like, well,
we still don't want to be tracked, so let's go
our old two way radios and use those. We just
(01:31):
got to ship into those a couple of weeks ago.
This is going to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Uh yeah, yeah, So that's so that's kind of that,
that's kind of the logistics of it. But technologically, throw
what sell. They had to have all the numbers Israel, right,
They had to have all the numbers that they could
simultaneously or almost simultaneously send a signal.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know, that's you know, they had to have some
intelligence behind the scene. You couldn't just you know, just
waunched this attack. The other thing that was that's amazing
to me is think about the logistical control you had
to have from the from the point of this manufacturer.
You know what if somebody else would have bought a
case of those pagers, right.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
They had to have controlled the supply chain somehow, thor
there's there's got to be some sort of either payoff
or some sort of unique control of the supply chain
for that very reason.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is that possible or at least just the shipping so
you know, you know which cases are are tampered, and
you know which ones are legit. And when you get
an order from somebody who you know is Hamas or
excuse me for you know, is Hesbolah, then you know
you send the appropriate tampered container. When you get an
order from a hospital, you know you send a good container.
So you know the other thing you got to feel
(02:44):
bad for is the poor Pager company. I mean, could
you imagine this to your company? You know, and it's
like all of a sudden, you know, my products are
exploding because we didn't do that. But but but but
then the technology to do this is nothing magical or new.
I mean, this accidentally happened to Dell about a decade ago.
You might recall Dell n HP had a huge recall
for batteries that would catch on fire, And basically it's
(03:07):
a fuse. And so if you heat the battery after
you have a flaw in the battery that causes it
under a specific circumstance to short shorts to create an
electrical charge or a heat event thermal event, and you
have explosive laced into the battery intentionally. Well, but I
don't think.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
That the pager company is too worried about the customer
surveys in Lebanon.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
By the way, who uses pagers? I mean who manufactures?
That's an eighties nineties thing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Really is we deal? Every time I drive downtown there's
this there's a big there's an HTS beeper building that's
got the beeper gas.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yes, that's right, And every time I.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Drive by that building, I wonder that same thing. But
apparently you know, there must be somebody still buying.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Anything Thorsrock with us. This question has come up one
form or another to me over the last couple of days.
Maybe you can address it. Can our cell phones, for example,
uh be made to explode like those pagers and walkie talkies?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Did you know that's the exact same thought that I
had too, Because aren't there some people in the world
that would would would appreciate sending a few devices like that,
and they wouldn't be nearly as discriminate about who they
sent them to, you know, if you had a and
the batteries. The reason that there were so many more
fatalities with the walkie talkies than they were with the
pagers is the size of the battery. Takes a lot
(04:27):
more juice to power a walkie talkie. Bigger battery, more explosives.
Your cell phone has a much larger battery than a pager,
so the same the same effect could be achieved with
you know, very dramatic and you're holding it to the
side of your head. You know that's not going to
be good. So you know, the thought occurs to me
as well that, you know, when we're dealing with manufacturing
(04:49):
and we're dealing with you know, these products. There was
a recently an unrelated story about an increasing number of
tariffs on goods coming in through Timu and Ali Baba
into the United States. These are goods that are manufactured
by you know, one off Chinese manufacturing companies. They're they're
they're literally micro businesses, they're small businesses what we call
them in America that manufacture and export electronics, and it's
(05:11):
a it's a huge marketplace. So you could have you know,
ten thousand different little mini companies in China making tablets
for example, or cell phones. Uh, and they're just you know,
you can put your own brand on them. If you
buy enough of them, you can you know, you can
do whatever. It would not be terribly difficult to compromise
one of those companies and do something like this. The
problem would be how do you achieve penetration into the
(05:32):
marketplace that is, you know, sufficient to cause any damage.
You'd have to compromise a major brand. You'd have to
have a Samsung or a Motorola or something like that,
and or an iPhone. Could you imagine for Apple, isn't
our phones? We don't manufacture them. We we outsource that.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, right, what would be what what in your estimation
are the chances or that we will ever on shore
that the production of those devices and and and those
products to the.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
United So there's a scenario in which that can happen,
but it's not purely like a technological scenario. The thing
that kills you is the cost of labor. Americans get
paid way way way more per hour or per job
or per unit of production, then people overseas are paid,
so neither A. We achieve this through automation. In other words,
(06:22):
we don't need the people anymore, which has it's good
news bad news scenario as well. Or b the economy
of the United States explodes to the upside so positively
that people don't care that their goods doubling costs and
that they would prefer they can afford to buy goods
that are made in America rather than made overseas. You know,
(06:42):
the last twenty years of economic policy has been outsourced
the labor overseas, you know, send the jobs overseas, which
is a less popular way of saying, you know, outsource
the labor to bring the cost of the goods down.
And then Americans can have lower cost goods and we
can literally export our inflation to other countries with that.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And some products, but some I can't. Pharmaceuticals come to mind,
and tech comes to mind. Thorschrock, thanks so much.
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