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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From the Heritage Foundation, Brent Settler, who consumed along with
the rest of us, that blow up in the Oval
Office the other day between President Trump and Ukrainian presidents Lansky.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Brent, good morning, Oh, good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
The latest now is that here we go with France
and Britain getting together with Ukraine to hammer out the
deals for a ceasefire and then present that to the president.
How optimistic are you?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Not very optimistic? But yeah, anyway, no.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I just do you what did you make of what
happened there? They were like thirty some minutes in front
of the media before things went sideways. Take us through
what your view is of what happened there.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, over the weekend more details came out. I mean
before the press was in the Oval Office, Apparently there'd
been quite tense back and forth. Zelensky was pretty much
came into the meeting with a with a very harsh
position and he was not going to move from it.
And when the camera started rolling that that kind of
tension just kind of boiled, just continued, and so I
(01:13):
mean that's the result. We're not seeing the full picture.
There was more to it, and even if you watch
the full press briefing of it. You can see that
Zelensky was was very I guess antagonistic and was not
ready to deal. So I think President Trump was right
in his his assessment that the Ukrainians are not ready
to negotiate and therefore there's not much open it up.
(01:37):
But the minerals deal I think is going to go forward.
I mean, once Vilensky got out of the country, cooled
his jets a little bit, words leaking out now that
he's ready to sign the deal. And that's one way
of aligning Ukraine's economic and US economic interest for the
long term. And that's one way to kind of get
a you know, kind of get a toll hold in
(01:57):
a mutual defense or lead an arrangement where Ukraine's interest
the defense is our interest in defense. If we've got
so much invested.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
There, right, I mean, most of those mineral deposits are
are near the Russian border, and so and with the
Americans will be on the ground there, that that kind
of speaks of a security guarantee. If it's not in writing,
it's certainly going to be in our interest to protect
our people and our economic interest. Right.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Oh, that's correct. I mean there's more.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Than so, there's a lot of minds, and there's there's
a large population, mostly Russian speaking, in the Dombos that's
that eastern part.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
It does have a lot of existing like coal and
rare earth minerals. But there's also a lot in the
parts of Ukraine that are still occupied by the Ukrainian
So there's a lot there to develop. There's a lot
there that doesn't have to be on the front line either,
so it's not necessarily going to be impossible to extract
this even with tensions high, even after peace treaties.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I mean, there's a.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Lot there not to be redundant. But Andy Trump Democrats
had a meeting with Zelensky prior to the Oval office
media opportunity. There are rumblings that they encouraged him to
not go for this deal. Do you think that impacted
what we saw?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, well, I look at it from the context of
the last year to two years.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
The Ukrainian ambassador has not engaged conservatives generally, nor Republicans specifically,
since many in the conservative fiscal conservatives in Alaska years
started asking questions and saying, hey, we can't just give
a blank check, and it was really from the Biden
administration giving financial assistance with new strings attached. We didn't
(03:42):
know where the money was going, and it was very
hard to track that it was going to a good purpose. Now,
it's different from the sixty percent of the over one
hundred and sixteen billion dollars that was buying munitions and
missiles and rockets and weapons systems to help the Ukrainians fight.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So he has been problematic.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And even in the campaign, participated in some Democratic Party events,
and so the Ukrainian embassy here and I think, you know,
this meeting just before the Oval Office blow up, you know,
again follows the trajectory of catering to the wrong political
crowd rather than doing good diplomacy and making friends with
(04:23):
all Americans.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Let's suppose, as Marco Rubio suggested yesterday, that we get
to the point where we can at least have a
negotiation with the two parties. And as Rubio said, there's
no guarantee that Bootin will go along with anything, but
do you believe there is a chance that he wants
this to end as well as as the Ukrainians do.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well. The first thing is both sides think they got
a lot of fight left in them, and the fighting season,
you know, the first, the weather turns a little sour
in the summer rain, it gets all muddy and slows
things down again or makes it challenging. But there's a
few months of fighting, and both sides think they've got
the ability to position themselves for a stronger position going
(05:11):
into negotiations. So I think this blow up in the
White House just makes you know, offenses on both sides
more likely before we get to re engage negotiations. But
both sides I think realized in the long term, if
you go out past the summer, this is not sustainable
anymore for a host of reasons, and they're different on
either side.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You know, one thing that was a little bit Brent
I thought confusing from Friday was the only deal that
was going to be done and signed and celebrated Friday
was the minerals deal, right.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yes, So what was.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
What was I didn't I didn't catch exactly what happened
the Senate sideways? Was he demanding a security guarantee before
he signed that?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That's correct, and that's what the theory is that you know,
they continue to reinforce the Democrat Party talking point, and
you know, going into and again they've been very heavily
influenced for the last few years by the Democrat political
party influence here in DC. For they go in saying
we're not going to sign anything unless you give a
security because Zolensky, I think was wrongly advised that he
(06:16):
had a stronger negotiating point, that Trump may have wanted
to deal more than him, and that's not true and
so complete misjudgment by Zolensky and his team.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Good lesson, Brent. Thanks appreciate the time you Brent Sadler
Heritage Foundation Here on kaybe his morning news
From the Heritage Foundation, Brent Settler, who consumed along with
the rest of us, that blow up in the Oval
Office the other day between President Trump and Ukrainian presidents Lansky.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Brent, good morning, Oh, good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
The latest now is that here we go with France
and Britain getting together with Ukraine to hammer out the
deals for a ceasefire and then present that to the president.
How optimistic are you?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Not very optimistic? But yeah, anyway, no.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I just do you what did you make of what
happened there? They were like thirty some minutes in front
of the media before things went sideways. Take us through
what your view is of what happened there.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, over the weekend more details came out. I mean
before the press was in the Oval Office, Apparently there'd
been quite tense back and forth. Zelensky was pretty much
came into the meeting with a with a very harsh
position and he was not going to move from it.
And when the camera started rolling that that kind of
tension just kind of boiled, just continued, and so I
(01:13):
mean that's the result. We're not seeing the full picture.
There was more to it, and even if you watch
the full press briefing of it. You can see that
Zelensky was was very I guess antagonistic and was not
ready to deal. So I think President Trump was right
in his his assessment that the Ukrainians are not ready
to negotiate and therefore there's not much open it up.
(01:37):
But the minerals deal I think is going to go forward.
I mean, once Vilensky got out of the country, cooled
his jets a little bit, words leaking out now that
he's ready to sign the deal. And that's one way
of aligning Ukraine's economic and US economic interest for the
long term. And that's one way to kind of get
a you know, kind of get a toll hold in
(01:57):
a mutual defense or lead an arrangement where Ukraine's interest
the defense is our interest in defense. If we've got
so much invested.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
There, right, I mean, most of those mineral deposits are
are near the Russian border, and so and with the
Americans will be on the ground there, that that kind
of speaks of a security guarantee. If it's not in writing,
it's certainly going to be in our interest to protect
our people and our economic interest. Right.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Oh, that's correct. I mean there's more.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Than so, there's a lot of minds, and there's there's
a large population, mostly Russian speaking, in the Dombos that's
that eastern part.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
It does have a lot of existing like coal and
rare earth minerals. But there's also a lot in the
parts of Ukraine that are still occupied by the Ukrainian
So there's a lot there to develop. There's a lot
there that doesn't have to be on the front line either,
so it's not necessarily going to be impossible to extract
this even with tensions high, even after peace treaties.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I mean, there's a.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Lot there not to be redundant. But Andy Trump Democrats
had a meeting with Zelensky prior to the Oval office
media opportunity. There are rumblings that they encouraged him to
not go for this deal. Do you think that impacted
what we saw?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, well, I look at it from the context of
the last year to two years.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
The Ukrainian ambassador has not engaged conservatives generally, nor Republicans specifically,
since many in the conservative fiscal conservatives in Alaska years
started asking questions and saying, hey, we can't just give
a blank check, and it was really from the Biden
administration giving financial assistance with new strings attached. We didn't
(03:42):
know where the money was going, and it was very
hard to track that it was going to a good purpose. Now,
it's different from the sixty percent of the over one
hundred and sixteen billion dollars that was buying munitions and
missiles and rockets and weapons systems to help the Ukrainians fight.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So he has been problematic.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And even in the campaign, participated in some Democratic Party events,
and so the Ukrainian embassy here and I think, you know,
this meeting just before the Oval Office blow up, you know,
again follows the trajectory of catering to the wrong political
crowd rather than doing good diplomacy and making friends with
(04:23):
all Americans.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Let's suppose, as Marco Rubio suggested yesterday, that we get
to the point where we can at least have a
negotiation with the two parties. And as Rubio said, there's
no guarantee that Bootin will go along with anything, but
do you believe there is a chance that he wants
this to end as well as as the Ukrainians do.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well. The first thing is both sides think they got
a lot of fight left in them, and the fighting season,
you know, the first, the weather turns a little sour
in the summer rain, it gets all muddy and slows
things down again or makes it challenging. But there's a
few months of fighting, and both sides think they've got
the ability to position themselves for a stronger position going
(05:11):
into negotiations. So I think this blow up in the
White House just makes you know, offenses on both sides
more likely before we get to re engage negotiations. But
both sides I think realized in the long term, if
you go out past the summer, this is not sustainable
anymore for a host of reasons, and they're different on
either side.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You know, one thing that was a little bit Brent
I thought confusing from Friday was the only deal that
was going to be done and signed and celebrated Friday
was the minerals deal, right.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yes, So what was.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
What was I didn't I didn't catch exactly what happened
the Senate sideways? Was he demanding a security guarantee before
he signed that?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That's correct, and that's what the theory is that you know,
they continue to reinforce the Democrat Party talking point, and
you know, going into and again they've been very heavily
influenced for the last few years by the Democrat political
party influence here in DC. For they go in saying
we're not going to sign anything unless you give a
security because Zolensky, I think was wrongly advised that he
(06:16):
had a stronger negotiating point, that Trump may have wanted
to deal more than him, and that's not true and
so complete misjudgment by Zolensky and his team.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Good lesson, Brent. Thanks appreciate the time you Brent Sadler
Heritage Foundation Here on kaybe his morning news
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