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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pleasure to welcome Steve Molloy to the program, senior fellow
at the Energy and Environment Legal Institute and the former
Trump EPA transition team member. Steve, good morning, Good morning,
Thanks for having me. Oh we got a possible bad
connection there. You want to try that again. Oh that's much.
You're welcome, Thank you. I want to get some details here.
(00:22):
There's a we know about we know about the Greeny
Acts and their obsession with climate change. Well, first it
was global warming, now it's climate change. And now we
have a lawsuit from a woman who's suing fossil fuel
companies right because her mother died in a heat wave.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, her mother tragically died and heat wave in city
Northwest in twenty twenty one. It was a pretty well
publicized heat wave. And so now she's suing eight oil
companies for her death. You know, pasarphical. But you know
this lawsuit is totally without Barrett. Heat waves have nothing
(01:01):
to do with missions. Over the last ninety years, heat
waves have declined drammatically. And you know, if we were
to entertain any sorts of lawsuits where you know, bad
weather causes harm to people, you know, where would it end?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Right? So is the court's accepting this case really.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, you know, it's still in its preliminary stages, so
we don't know what's going to happen. But you never know, Judges,
much to my chagrin, are not really very well educated
on these climate issues, and they sort of accept these
claims of state's value and we have to go through
years and years and years of litigation. They eventually they
(01:46):
all get dismissed because there's no merit. But you know,
it's time wasted in the court.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, so this is out in the Pacific Northwest. We'll
try to keep an eye on that. Steve Maloya with it.
What do you think of the e p A currently
under the administration of Leez.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Elden, Well, so far it's headed in the right direction.
They said all the right things, you know, we're they're
they're saying they're going to roll back all these regulations
that have spivey colt oil and gas development in favor
of you know, wind and solar, which is just you know,
goofy form of electricity. And so we'll see uh that,
(02:25):
you know, they they they've stated their policy, which you
know is going to be unleashing the fossil feeling stream,
which is what we need, especially with all these data
centers coming online. Wind and solar can't take care of that.
But you know, the rubber's going to hit the road
now and we've got to actually get these things reversed.
That changed.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So yeah, you know, I'm on the mind Steve that
anybody who wants to have a solar panel or whatever,
but they have the government dictate this stuff as just
and sanity, and I'm glad to see that they're moving
in the other direction. I had a weekend trip. I
(03:06):
just drove back yesterday. If you drive across Iowa on
I eighty, I can't I don't know how many hundreds
of these windmills there are that the farmers have said, okay,
we'll sell you the land put these up, and they
were all standing still yesterday. It was a calm day.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, you know, and this is all taxpayer dollars at work.
I mean, it wasn't for taxpayer subsidies, none of these
things will exist and they shouldn't exist. And you know,
not only are their taxpayer dollars, but the fact there's
a lot of this stuff comes from communist China, where
it's made with low wage to slave labor. So you know,
if people had to actually pay the costs of solar
(03:47):
and wind, nobody would do it. But since taxpayers socialized it,
well it's okay.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, well, Jem and I have talked about this too,
especially you know when it comes to solar. If you
want to build a field full of those panels out
in Arizona, a freak maybe in the desert, but they've
got him here. We have hailstorms here, we have cloudy
days and rain here. You know.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, well well look, I mean, you know, all this
wind and so that we've been loading our grid with,
it's really just a mass casualty event in the waiting.
I mean, this would happened last month in Spain and Portugal.
If it wasn't for the French nuclear fleet coming to
the rescue, there would have been a mass casualty that
the Spanish grid would have just gone away.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Right. Wow, you know, I wondered if that was a
poor town of things to come, Steve, what do you think, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, it's already happened in Texas in February. Yes, it
was twenty twenty two, right, the windmills froze, hundreds of people.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Died, Well, we yes, and here we're a member of
I can't remember what the organization. It's called the Western
Western Power Grid, but we had we had to go uh,
we had to go partial, not blackouse, but we had
to dial way back for a while to help that
situation out. I mean they got the seventeen degrees in Houston,
(05:03):
Texas for crying out loud. Yeah, they couldn't handle it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, you know, you've got to have the grid has
got to be powered by base load power, consistent, ready
to be ramped up depending on the weather. They can't
do that with wind and solar. And wind and solar
have they were sold to us as like lowering electricity
costs and improving the weather, and they had done other
(05:29):
not neither. Electricity costs have skyrocketed and the weather is
the same.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Well, there's only one solution, and that's nuclear. It's been
that we know about. Maybe there are other energy sources
out there not yet discovered, but to solve the problem,
you have to commit to nuclear energy in this country.
It's renewable, it's clean, it's plentiful, it's uh and it's
extraordinarily safe. But it does not have the political stroke
that solar and wind have and the manufacture and the
(05:57):
manufacturing of the components solar and wind are making a
very few number of people very rich. And those people
are very influential in American politics. And it's a sad,
sad day when the people are screwed over by the
government again. But that's what's happening.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, So you know, the good news is the President
Trump issued in Executive War a couple of weeks ago
to spurred nuclear development in the US. But you're absolutely
right about the wind and solar. But you know, an
additional thing with win solars that it's making us more
dependent on our geopolitical rival or enemy, communist China, because
(06:34):
that's where all this stuff comes from. You can't have
an ev a solar panel or win turbaned without Communist China.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
And people don't even talk about the environmental impact of solar.
I'm sure wind power. These things fill up landfills, they're
hard on livestock and birds. Where is the Sierra Club
on wind energy? Sure, it's a shame.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well you might remember, you know, fifty years ago green
Peace coined sort it's uh save the Whales project, and
now they're for killing the whales because that's what's happened
with the offshore wind.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Brutal Steve, good to have you. I appreciate the time.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
All right, thank you,
Pleasure to welcome Steve Molloy to the program, senior fellow
at the Energy and Environment Legal Institute and the former
Trump EPA transition team member. Steve, good morning, Good morning,
Thanks for having me. Oh we got a possible bad
connection there. You want to try that again. Oh that's much.
You're welcome, Thank you. I want to get some details here.
(00:22):
There's a we know about we know about the Greeny
Acts and their obsession with climate change. Well, first it
was global warming, now it's climate change. And now we
have a lawsuit from a woman who's suing fossil fuel
companies right because her mother died in a heat wave.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, her mother tragically died and heat wave in city
Northwest in twenty twenty one. It was a pretty well
publicized heat wave. And so now she's suing eight oil
companies for her death. You know, pasarphical. But you know
this lawsuit is totally without Barrett. Heat waves have nothing
(01:01):
to do with missions. Over the last ninety years, heat
waves have declined drammatically. And you know, if we were
to entertain any sorts of lawsuits where you know, bad
weather causes harm to people, you know, where would it end?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Right? So is the court's accepting this case really.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, you know, it's still in its preliminary stages, so
we don't know what's going to happen. But you never know, Judges,
much to my chagrin, are not really very well educated
on these climate issues, and they sort of accept these
claims of state's value and we have to go through
years and years and years of litigation. They eventually they
(01:46):
all get dismissed because there's no merit. But you know,
it's time wasted in the court.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, so this is out in the Pacific Northwest. We'll
try to keep an eye on that. Steve Maloya with it.
What do you think of the e p A currently
under the administration of Leez.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Elden, Well, so far it's headed in the right direction.
They said all the right things, you know, we're they're
they're saying they're going to roll back all these regulations
that have spivey colt oil and gas development in favor
of you know, wind and solar, which is just you know,
goofy form of electricity. And so we'll see uh that,
(02:25):
you know, they they they've stated their policy, which you
know is going to be unleashing the fossil feeling stream,
which is what we need, especially with all these data
centers coming online. Wind and solar can't take care of that.
But you know, the rubber's going to hit the road
now and we've got to actually get these things reversed.
That changed.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So yeah, you know, I'm on the mind Steve that
anybody who wants to have a solar panel or whatever,
but they have the government dictate this stuff as just
and sanity, and I'm glad to see that they're moving
in the other direction. I had a weekend trip. I
(03:06):
just drove back yesterday. If you drive across Iowa on
I eighty, I can't I don't know how many hundreds
of these windmills there are that the farmers have said, okay,
we'll sell you the land put these up, and they
were all standing still yesterday. It was a calm day.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, you know, and this is all taxpayer dollars at work.
I mean, it wasn't for taxpayer subsidies, none of these
things will exist and they shouldn't exist. And you know,
not only are their taxpayer dollars, but the fact there's
a lot of this stuff comes from communist China, where
it's made with low wage to slave labor. So you know,
if people had to actually pay the costs of solar
(03:47):
and wind, nobody would do it. But since taxpayers socialized it,
well it's okay.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, well, Jem and I have talked about this too,
especially you know when it comes to solar. If you
want to build a field full of those panels out
in Arizona, a freak maybe in the desert, but they've
got him here. We have hailstorms here, we have cloudy
days and rain here. You know.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, well well look, I mean, you know, all this
wind and so that we've been loading our grid with,
it's really just a mass casualty event in the waiting.
I mean, this would happened last month in Spain and Portugal.
If it wasn't for the French nuclear fleet coming to
the rescue, there would have been a mass casualty that
the Spanish grid would have just gone away.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Right. Wow, you know, I wondered if that was a
poor town of things to come, Steve, what do you think, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, it's already happened in Texas in February. Yes, it
was twenty twenty two, right, the windmills froze, hundreds of people.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Died, Well, we yes, and here we're a member of
I can't remember what the organization. It's called the Western
Western Power Grid, but we had we had to go uh,
we had to go partial, not blackouse, but we had
to dial way back for a while to help that
situation out. I mean they got the seventeen degrees in Houston,
(05:03):
Texas for crying out loud. Yeah, they couldn't handle it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, you know, you've got to have the grid has
got to be powered by base load power, consistent, ready
to be ramped up depending on the weather. They can't
do that with wind and solar. And wind and solar
have they were sold to us as like lowering electricity
costs and improving the weather, and they had done other
(05:29):
not neither. Electricity costs have skyrocketed and the weather is
the same.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Well, there's only one solution, and that's nuclear. It's been
that we know about. Maybe there are other energy sources
out there not yet discovered, but to solve the problem,
you have to commit to nuclear energy in this country.
It's renewable, it's clean, it's plentiful, it's uh and it's
extraordinarily safe. But it does not have the political stroke
that solar and wind have and the manufacture and the
(05:57):
manufacturing of the components solar and wind are making a
very few number of people very rich. And those people
are very influential in American politics. And it's a sad,
sad day when the people are screwed over by the
government again. But that's what's happening.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, So you know, the good news is the President
Trump issued in Executive War a couple of weeks ago
to spurred nuclear development in the US. But you're absolutely
right about the wind and solar. But you know, an
additional thing with win solars that it's making us more
dependent on our geopolitical rival or enemy, communist China, because
(06:34):
that's where all this stuff comes from. You can't have
an ev a solar panel or win turbaned without Communist China.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
And people don't even talk about the environmental impact of solar.
I'm sure wind power. These things fill up landfills, they're
hard on livestock and birds. Where is the Sierra Club
on wind energy? Sure, it's a shame.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well you might remember, you know, fifty years ago green
Peace coined sort it's uh save the Whales project, and
now they're for killing the whales because that's what's happened
with the offshore wind.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Brutal Steve, good to have you. I appreciate the time.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
All right, thank you,
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