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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pleasure to welcome Nebraska's Colonel Tom Brewer back to the program.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Tom, good morning, Good morning, Garry, thanks for having me,
you've bet.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I wanted to talk to you because how many times
have you been over there now to Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I've been over there eight times since the war started.
I was there three times before the boar started.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, fighting alongside the Ukrainians. And I wanted to talk
to you because this struck me as a big deal.
The President the other day signaled what if he follows through,
this would be a major shift in his policy toward Ukraine.
He says Ukraine could quote win all of Ukraine back
in its original form. He says, I think he's about
(00:41):
up to hear. He's just had it with Putin and
he says if the EU, if NATO supports Ukraine, they
can get it all back. Number one, What do you
think of his shift? The number two? Is that possible?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, both of them are are going to be a
bit of a challenge. He he needs to stay focused.
If he's going to say that, the Ukrainians are going
to trust him and follow through and expect you know
that that they'll be allowed to do that. Uh, there
should be a surprise that Pudent's not what we call
(01:18):
an honest person. He's lied on everything that he's done
since he became president. But that's an area the size
of Iowa, and that includes Crimea and uh A lot
of that is mine. So obviously, if if it is
taken back, there will be a lot of work to
reconstruct it by The Ukrainians want it back and they
feel that that was their border before the war started.
(01:40):
But it's gonna be a difficult process because the only
way you're going to get it back is not by
a land war. It's going to be by collapsing Russia
from within, and that'll be with Section secondary sanctions. You
got to force China and India to quit buying all
the digon oil that's run in the war. And if
he's well to do that, then I think they will
(02:02):
be in a position where if Russia collapses, just like
zoe Union did, they will probably have to fall back
because they won't have any choice.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, he explained his position change by saying that quote
after getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine Russian
military and economic situation, So he kind of echoing what
you said that with the right approach militarily and economically Russia.
(02:31):
Russia's wobbly now they and this could do him in.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
He could. The other thing to remember is with the
mineral deal we've got, we got a lot more to
gain now. And also now that he's made the deal
that we're not buying the weapons. What we're doing is
we're taking the money from NATO and the EU and
we're using it to purchase US weapons. So that's helping
our economy and it's giving us a chance to test
weapon systems that we're not able to test otherwise. And
(02:59):
so you know, I think there's some direct benefits, but
we just absolutely have to follow through and provide them
the resources so that they can't fight because they've been
willing to do that. We've just been kind of back
and forth and give them what they need.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I got an email here, Tom, I'd like to get
your take on it from a listener, Chris, who worked,
he says, at a federal facility in Nebraska that contains
a Social Security administration office, and he said during the
initial years of the Ukraine War, he said he saw
a large number of military age Ukrainian mails come in
(03:34):
to get social security benefits. Refugee cash and so on.
With the US pouring in billions of dollars in military
aa the Ukraine, Chris says, it's baffling to me why
Ukraine would let these military aged men leave the country
and why we would allow them in and give them
monetary aid when, in my opinion, they should be staying
(03:55):
in their country and fighting. What do you know about
that phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, understand that the war for them started in twenty
fourteen when they took over Crimea, and they had a
policy then that if you lost a limb or certain
type of injuries, that your service was complete to their country,
and that was an option they had, was to leave
the country. And I think a number of them did,
and I don't think that. I mean, they're upright good
(04:26):
folks that came here, and I'm sure they're contributing in
some way, but at that point they were not restrict them.
That's not true. Now, if you lose a limb, you're
probably going to be you know, maybe a desk job
or something, but you're going to stay there in the fight.
So there was a period of time until the twenty
twenty two invasion where they were allowed to leave the
country if they had certain type of injuries.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, well he doesn't. He doesn't indicate that they were
that they appeared to be Andrew. But what you're saying
now is that Ukraine are saying, look, if you are,
if you're a man military age here, you've got to
stay here and help. I assume they're still conscripting people, right.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
They are, and their age range, you know, has expanded.
It It was twenty six to sixty and now I
think it's eighteen to sixty five. And when I was
over there in the spring, it was not uncommon in
the front lines to see folks in their fifties and sixties.
I mean they they don't have the technical skills to
(05:25):
operate some of the drones and stuff, so they end
up with some of the harder jobs.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Oh all right, well, interesting times. We'll see what. I
haven't heard a lot of response from NATO on this.
Have you on Trump's new Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes, have you? Yeah. Well, the incursions that they've had
with the drones into Poland and with the jets over Estoniano,
you know, they've made it. The NATO has said they've
had an article for meeting and if they if they
go into NATO airspace, they're going to shoot them down.
(06:00):
I kind of think that Putin wants this because it
helps with his nationalism, is push you know that they're
against NATO, not just Ukraine, and so you know there's
some there's definitely some challenges with shooting down their stuff.
But I don't know how you cannot shoot it down
because he'll he'll push the limit, he'll push until something
really bad happens. But he sees something bad happening as
(06:22):
helping him. But he's not ready for a fight with NATO.
But NATO has no leadership right now. No one country
is leading them and that's part of the problem.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And Tom, thanks good to have you on
Pleasure to welcome Nebraska's Colonel Tom Brewer back to the program.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Tom, good morning, Good morning, Garry, thanks for having me,
you've bet.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I wanted to talk to you because how many times
have you been over there now to Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I've been over there eight times since the war started.
I was there three times before the boar started.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, fighting alongside the Ukrainians. And I wanted to talk
to you because this struck me as a big deal.
The President the other day signaled what if he follows through,
this would be a major shift in his policy toward Ukraine.
He says Ukraine could quote win all of Ukraine back
in its original form. He says, I think he's about
(00:41):
up to hear. He's just had it with Putin and
he says if the EU, if NATO supports Ukraine, they
can get it all back. Number one, What do you
think of his shift? The number two? Is that possible?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, both of them are are going to be a
bit of a challenge. He he needs to stay focused.
If he's going to say that, the Ukrainians are going
to trust him and follow through and expect you know
that that they'll be allowed to do that. Uh, there
should be a surprise that Pudent's not what we call
(01:18):
an honest person. He's lied on everything that he's done
since he became president. But that's an area the size
of Iowa, and that includes Crimea and uh A lot
of that is mine. So obviously, if if it is
taken back, there will be a lot of work to
reconstruct it by The Ukrainians want it back and they
feel that that was their border before the war started.
(01:40):
But it's gonna be a difficult process because the only
way you're going to get it back is not by
a land war. It's going to be by collapsing Russia
from within, and that'll be with Section secondary sanctions. You
got to force China and India to quit buying all
the digon oil that's run in the war. And if
he's well to do that, then I think they will
(02:02):
be in a position where if Russia collapses, just like
zoe Union did, they will probably have to fall back
because they won't have any choice.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, he explained his position change by saying that quote
after getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine Russian
military and economic situation, So he kind of echoing what
you said that with the right approach militarily and economically Russia.
(02:31):
Russia's wobbly now they and this could do him in.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
He could. The other thing to remember is with the
mineral deal we've got, we got a lot more to
gain now. And also now that he's made the deal
that we're not buying the weapons. What we're doing is
we're taking the money from NATO and the EU and
we're using it to purchase US weapons. So that's helping
our economy and it's giving us a chance to test
weapon systems that we're not able to test otherwise. And
(02:59):
so you know, I think there's some direct benefits, but
we just absolutely have to follow through and provide them
the resources so that they can't fight because they've been
willing to do that. We've just been kind of back
and forth and give them what they need.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I got an email here, Tom, I'd like to get
your take on it from a listener, Chris, who worked,
he says, at a federal facility in Nebraska that contains
a Social Security administration office, and he said during the
initial years of the Ukraine War, he said he saw
a large number of military age Ukrainian mails come in
(03:34):
to get social security benefits. Refugee cash and so on.
With the US pouring in billions of dollars in military
aa the Ukraine, Chris says, it's baffling to me why
Ukraine would let these military aged men leave the country
and why we would allow them in and give them
monetary aid when, in my opinion, they should be staying
(03:55):
in their country and fighting. What do you know about
that phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, understand that the war for them started in twenty
fourteen when they took over Crimea, and they had a
policy then that if you lost a limb or certain
type of injuries, that your service was complete to their country,
and that was an option they had, was to leave
the country. And I think a number of them did,
and I don't think that. I mean, they're upright good
(04:26):
folks that came here, and I'm sure they're contributing in
some way, but at that point they were not restrict them.
That's not true. Now, if you lose a limb, you're
probably going to be you know, maybe a desk job
or something, but you're going to stay there in the fight.
So there was a period of time until the twenty
twenty two invasion where they were allowed to leave the
country if they had certain type of injuries.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, well he doesn't. He doesn't indicate that they were
that they appeared to be Andrew. But what you're saying
now is that Ukraine are saying, look, if you are,
if you're a man military age here, you've got to
stay here and help. I assume they're still conscripting people, right.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
They are, and their age range, you know, has expanded.
It It was twenty six to sixty and now I
think it's eighteen to sixty five. And when I was
over there in the spring, it was not uncommon in
the front lines to see folks in their fifties and sixties.
I mean they they don't have the technical skills to
(05:25):
operate some of the drones and stuff, so they end
up with some of the harder jobs.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Oh all right, well, interesting times. We'll see what. I
haven't heard a lot of response from NATO on this.
Have you on Trump's new Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes, have you? Yeah. Well, the incursions that they've had
with the drones into Poland and with the jets over Estoniano,
you know, they've made it. The NATO has said they've
had an article for meeting and if they if they
go into NATO airspace, they're going to shoot them down.
(06:00):
I kind of think that Putin wants this because it
helps with his nationalism, is push you know that they're
against NATO, not just Ukraine, and so you know there's
some there's definitely some challenges with shooting down their stuff.
But I don't know how you cannot shoot it down
because he'll he'll push the limit, he'll push until something
really bad happens. But he sees something bad happening as
(06:22):
helping him. But he's not ready for a fight with NATO.
But NATO has no leadership right now. No one country
is leading them and that's part of the problem.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And Tom, thanks good to have you on
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