November 14, 2024 • 59 mins
You better do some vocal exercises for this one, because Jenna Ushkowitz from Glee has made it to the O.R.!
She shares a bunch of behind the scenes stories from the most dramatic moments of Glee and reveals what happened when she pretended to date her co-star (and now podcast cohost) Kevin McHale!
Plus, Jenna shares what you missed after her first pregnancy! If you’re expecting, Jenna has the REAL story of what life is like that no one will tell you.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, everybody, we are scrubbing in.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Scrub but dumb dub a dumb whoof stunning.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We have a guest today. She is not on Dancing
with the Stars.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
No, she's not.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Spoiler alerts spoiler.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
But she is a star, yes, and she is one
of I literally can't believe that we're doing this interview
because I am a self proclaimed gleek.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Same, and and she's a fellow podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Door you know, she has an iHeart radio podcast and
it's called and that's what you really missed that she
also does with her best friend Kevin McHale.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Who was also in Glee. Yes, so we are very
excited to welcome her. We've been trying to have her
on the show forever. So the time is now. If
not now, when when? So the time is now. Please
welcome Donna. Yeah, Jenna, We I feel have been trying
to make this happen for.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Some time forever.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I just need my house so oh.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
So like when we pitch it, because Tanya is she
is like in studio.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Only I know and I do on need my house, so.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's special outing it took some time, but I genuinely
feel like this podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Is going to be ten times better because of it.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I agree. I totally agree. Thank you, like in person.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And I appreciate you taking the time and for venturing
out of your house for us.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I love only have fellow podcasters on the show because
there's this easy camaraderie that's like very conversational and it's
not just.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, you're like, oh god, what is this going to be?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Like, I find pregnancy and childbirth so because I've never
something I haven't experienced yet, so I find it like
so intriguing and interesting because I'm like, you're bopping around town, yeah,
and you're fine, Yeah, You're like I'm feeling good.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
It's it's different for everybody, and it's every birth is different.
It's not like you go in for one and the
second one is going to be exactly the same.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
It's definitely not.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
So it's just like you just have to like figure
out what feels right and you have to like give
them the caveat that. Like I have stuff planned all
this week and next week, and I'm like, just so
you know, I'm very pregnant, So there's always a chance
that I won't show up.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, you know when.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You like you already you have a little girl?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
How does she two and a half?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay, so you have done this before.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Yeah, when when you were doing it for the first time,
were you like anxious, like what were your feelings versus
this time?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Or just like getting ready for the birth and everything.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
It's actually funny because I think the less you know
the better, Like, oh, with my daughter, I was so excited.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Everything was magical.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
You're like, so you can't wait, Like it was just
I felt really good. And then this pregnancy, I was
like put on bed rest in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I couldn't leave my house for like two months.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
And then I got out of bed rest, which was
like thank God, and I've been moving around. I'm just
grateful I can like move around. I think that's why
I'm like so active right now. But I'm like kind
of terrified of childbirths because I just know what postpartums like,
I know what is coming or what could.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Be, and there's too many options.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And you did you have postpartum with your first No.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It honestly wasn't.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
I didn't have any kind of like postpartum pressure or
baby blues or anything like that, thankfully, but I did.
It's just like nobody tells you all the things that
like happen afterwards when your milk comes in and your
boobs get hard, and like you tell us like yeah,
like so when your milk comes in like three to
days three days after your you have the baby, like
three to five days normally.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Like your boobs get like.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
So large and hard that they're like bowling ball and
it's just and then some people are like leakers, and
some people are like like I don't know other things anyway,
I'm a leaker. And so like there's just like milk
like literally coming out of me involuntarily, like I bend
over out of the shower and like there's just melk
coming out of me, and it's just like you can't
control any of it, so you just don't. And I
(04:19):
had to see section the first time too, so I
have like a belly band and scar, and nobody talks
about like the first pee afterwards, like terrifying, is it her?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's it's a lot like does it hurt?
Speaker 6 (04:33):
People have like epidurals, Like the epidural has worn off
and either it's like hard to peek because you've had
a catheter inside of you, or like you don't know
if you're gonna be able to pee. It takes a while.
So there's like a nurse like holding you up, being
like come.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
On, you can do it, holding what hold well, like
your arm right to make sure you don't fall because
like you've just come off of anesthesia or like you know,
an epidural of like numbness.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah, no one talks.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
I actually like probably I've broken the seal of like
trust for other women because like nobody should know this
until afterwards.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I'm so glad I didn't know. Now I know.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, I know because you experienced it exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
WHOA like you hear about things, but I haven't thought
or heard about that one.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, nobody tells you because they don't want to freak
you out. They're like, okay, you just good luck. Yeah,
have a great time.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I think it's better right not no, right, so just.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Erase, that's no more questions.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you for coming in.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Do you have like a hospital, like is your hospital
backpacked or it's ready?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Oh it's ready? What's in there? It's I'm very minimal.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
So it's like I brought a boppy so I could
brest feed, pajamas with a button down so that you
can breastfeed, like socks under everything else, like a phone
charger that's like a ten footer because you just don't
know where the plug's coming.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Sometimes I brought my iPad last time and that was nice.
And some pajamas and like going home out for the
baby and going home out for me and that's like
and then just some shower stuff and that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Oh wow.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Everything else they have there, like in America, Like they
have diapers for you and for the baby. They have wipes,
they have like the blankets, they have everything, so you
don't need to bring anything.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
People bring like candles and rose cords.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
So like if you're doing like an unmedicated birth and
you are like doing hypno birthing or something where you're
going to be like, let's turn the lights down, let's
put the.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Candles on, and let's put like a.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Playlist like that's some people need, but like I don't
think I'm gonna do that, so just keep the lights on.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Do you have like a first meal that have you
been avoiding anything this pregnancy.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
To be completely honest, I did avoid sushi the first one.
I haven't eating sushi the second one. But I my
first meal I think is going to be like a
big like Italian sub because you can't eat cold cuts
so and there's like all these listeria outbreaks right now
happening and you're like stay away. So I think like
(07:24):
a big Italian sum from like all about the bread.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, oh yeah, salami, turkey and like Judo like give me.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Everything to the day.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Literally, I can't wait. We postmade it. The postmate like
shows up downstairs like I'm here with your meal.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
So yeah, how is how are you feeling about having
two kids?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Like, because I feel like there's there's the one which
is like a total adjustment because it's just such a
life change, and then it's like you've done this already,
but no there's an added yeah child.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
To be completely honest, I'm like terrified and excited at
the same time, because people say like two is actually
like the second one is easier, Like you're more calm,
You've just been there already, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
What you're doing.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
I'm more concerned about my firstborn because she's.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Still so young.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Right, and like very attached and we're very close, and
so I like she's excited and she knows what's coming,
but I don't think she fully knows like what's coming right, right.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So I think that transition.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I'm more concerned about her getting what she needs. And
we have a lot of help, Like we're so lucky
and my husband gets eight weeks off and so there's
like three adults to like two children, Like we're not
outnumbered yet, but I'm definitely.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I'm definitely nervous. Like I feel like people are like.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Oh yeah, like the one to do is a lot
like the first one kind of reminds me of like
a first pregnancy, Like you're on the couch, you're watching TV,
you're taking naps, like you're chilling, and then like this pregnancy,
you're like chasing a toddler.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Until four weeks before you give birth.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
And so I feel like the second you know, the
first child's born and you're like laying on the couch recovering,
and everybody comes to visit and brings you snacks and
brings you gifts, and the second one they're like, oh,
you got this, and you're just like left to fend
for yourself, and so I'm like, I don't know, Like
I don't know what it's going to be like, but
(09:43):
I know I'm just gonna have my hands full again.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah yeah, I mean it's like you, it's almost the same.
I feel like it's the same thing with the first
kid too, Like you can't it's like, no, don't know,
no matter what people tell you, and like how much
information you get, Yeah, there's just no way to prepare
for what I've gathered, especially with.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It is different. Every meat is different, Like you don't
know what you're gonna need or like it's just like.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
You just have to go with the flow, which sounds awful.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I'm not gonna go with the flow person, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah this yeah, we Yeah, that's where the flow.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
She have to go with it. She is like, I know,
it's pretty nice. Yeah that Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
But you have a podcast with Kevin, who is your
best friend, and we've established that he is actually more
of Rebecca and you are more of a Tamia.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah that type of way, that is correct. I feel
like the dynamic. Do you feel like that dynamic?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
And obviously in a friendship it works because it's like
yin and yang, but I really feel like in.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
The podcast world it is it also.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Adds an element of like fun and conversational aspect to it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Totally.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
There's like a learning curve, I think at first, because
like I expect so much from myself all the time.
I'm like a crazy person, and so with anybody, I
have to be like manage your expectations. They're not you,
Like you can't expect the same thing from them that
you expect from yourself, Like it's just not gonna turn
out well. I never really felt like that with Kevin
(11:12):
because we worked together for so long and wou lay
together that we were just like we knew how we
function Yeah, but yeah, we we vibraally well together. And
I think it's because like we're both good at different things, and.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
He's like a good reminder.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
For me that he's like, you just need to chill,
like it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You're like, realize you're right.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
But it's also nice for people because I feel like
they can like relate to different, you know, different sides
of each of you.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, I think so. I mean our fans.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
It's funny because I think they relate more to our
characters sometimes than to us, or like they conflate the two,
so it's a little different. Like, yeah, I feel like
people when they listen to you, they hear like you guys,
and they know exactly who you are off the bat,
But for us, like they kind of had to distinguish
the differences between Tina.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And Jenna and Artie and Kevin.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Right right?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
But yeah, I mean, does you guys your podcast is
basically it's a Glee rewatch podcasts. You're on season five
right now, that's right. So what happens after season six
is over?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No? I don't know. We have no idea. Let's go,
let's bring it back season one. We're definitely finishing before
our contracts up, so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Well, I want to know what it was like before
y'all started the podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
How do you watched rewatched Glee at all?
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Oh? I haven't, if I'm being completely honest. There's season
the rest of season five we have to do, and
then season six, which my character like came in at
the very very end.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Again, but I.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Wasn't really in that season and I didn't watch the show,
so I don't really know what happens.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Sorry, watched it with the literally the first time. Yeah,
so no, we had not rewatched it, which is kind
of the reason why we were like, I guess we
could do this because we haven't seen in so long.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Did it bring up a lot of feelings because that
was such a Yeah, it brings up a lot of
feelings every week.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's fun because it's been so long since it we
did it. You know, it's twenty fifteen.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
I think we wrapped, and like there's so much there
was so much space and.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Time between it.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Now you can look back on it differently, and then
also through the lens of twenty twenty four, which is
like so different than two thousand and nine twenty fifteen.
So it's it's been It's been a lot of feelings,
a lot of fun. There's also like a lot of
time where Kevin and I will just tell like everybody
we don't remember being there.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And then on this day, which is like alarming, you know,
like I'm not watching myself do something that I have
no recollection of doing it all.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Because like I feel like in the time that Glee
was airing, it was like in the height of was
there was there social media?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Then we just started Twitter.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Twitter just came to the yeah Instagram like had started
mid season three major Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, So it was like in that era of just
like you see it on your TV and that's how
you get and people are like like feening for more,
and it was.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Like, yes a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Do you feel like it was like overstimulating or do
you have like trauma from that?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I mean, we definitely have trauma from that, But it's
not like it's funny like people ask about the fans.
There was such a separation, right, and so it was
like Beatlemania where the only time you get to see
somebody is in person, which was like really exciting and
(14:55):
also very overwhelming for both parties. Our fans are pretty great,
but in droves, Like when we were touring the world
and doing like arena tours, there's so many kids around
in the town when you're there for the weekend that
like you can't go out and shop and see the
(15:15):
sites without like security.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And so it was very.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
It was very odd, like we just wanted to like
party and have a good time and do our jobs,
and like we couldn't really always do that.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
So I think that was like it was just jarring sometimes.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
But I think nowadays it's so different because now fans,
like I can't imagine Glean being on right now with
the fan base and the age that we had, because
they feel like they know you even more so because
you've opened up and let them into a part of
your life. And so there's a part of it that's
(15:59):
like some people, not all fans, I'm not talking about
all the fans, but.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Like felt like now must feel like they have the
right to knowing you all, to knowing all of it,
which is not true, right right, right, So I don't
know if that was the question.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
I don't know where we am about there, but it
was definitely weird, and like obviously the trauma came from
like other parts of the show as well, like from.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Our losing Corey, losing Mark, losing.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Naya, Like that whole thing was a lot of trauma
and a lot of trauma because you're grieving on screen,
you're grieving in public, you're just grieving in general, and
that was like the most traumatic part. But like our
fans were pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
But was the environment on the set?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Was it like.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
What's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 5 (17:08):
I likenky door like like.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Like it was just like.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Was it like very toxic.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
No I that's kind of like why we did the podcast.
Also is because Kevin and like, obviously, with a show
that's that large and the media wants so much to
for click bait to share, they'll only find the feuds,
the trauma, the the you know, the tragedy of it all.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
But like, it really was.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Like so much fun and the crew was so happy
being there because like, you're not doing a drama, you're
singing songs all like, I'm sorry, it's great.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
We all got along. It was easier to get along
than to not like to fight. Was so much energy.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
And really generally obviously we all have our days. You
come to work, you're like want to be there, you don't,
But generally speaking, like it was a really great set
and every guest that comes on is so positive and
is so happy to talk about their experience on the
show because we were such a family and it was
(18:25):
such a bubble, like nobody could understand what we were
going through except for the people who.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Were there, you know, in some way.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Yeah, I also felt like it was one of the
first cast especially of its time, that was diverse, that
had like.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Totally it was like the world of Gossip Girls, and
what was some of the other shows that were like
the lamizing these like rich famous, like elite kids. And
then there's us that's like the Kid, the goth girl,
the Kid and the Welchair, like the you know, the
(19:02):
the outcast, musical theater girl, like all of it was
the underdog. Which is why I.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Think people attached to it so deeply, was because they
felt represented and not like you were just watching something
that was like aspirational that you couldn't you know, or
even entertain, unattainable, right right, Yeah, but I.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Agree, I think it it It hit every group, and
especially in a high school environment. I actually think like
even after high school, there's still people still almost resonate
with who they were, what they like, what they were
in high school. I feel like that follows you forever.
So I feel like you had the jock, you had
(19:42):
the cheerleader, you had the choir girl, you had the
you know, it was like everyone had a could see
themselves in anybody, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And on top of that, it wasn't just an all
white cast. You had you had Asian, you had black,
you had every like a.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Yeah, like we the gay you know, the gay kid,
with the bully that turned out to be gay, the
you know, like a positive gay boy with a dad
who single dad, who they had a great relationship.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Like that was Ryan.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
That was all right Murphy obviously, and like his goal
was to represent the unrepresented. Yeah, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Such a and I will never forget I was.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I was a gleek.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Oh that was gleek.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I loved I literally, there was nothing like it. I
felt like it. It was just in the time when it.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Was the characters more or the music more. I loved everything.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, I think I loved all of it.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
But you know what's interesting is because I feel like
I associated And maybe it was because what was in
the press I associated as like a toxic.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Totally show.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
There's all the stuff coming out about Leah Michelle and
how much of a bully she was and like all
of these things.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
So I thought that it was.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Like, so she know how to read, she doesn't know
how to read.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I have seen this, I have witnessed this.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
That was actually astonishing that that went that far.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
They went in on her for a while after report,
so I was.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Like, like, what what's going on there?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
And then she did the TikTok where she was like
she played into it.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And she's like, do you guys read?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Do you guys dig into that stuff like when like
if there's something out there, yeah, or do you kind
of stay away from it?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
On the podcast we.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Talk about it if it needs to be talked about.
Her needs to be addressed, like Leah being able to read,
Like like you guys, she can read, but we don't.
We don't dig into that because it's like most of
them wasn't true, Like it's it's the most Kevin and
I ever got pressed because we went to Monaco and
our producer was with us, and we were just playing
(21:54):
around and there was paparazzi and like we were in
the ocean and our producers like, you guys come up
like holding hands and like almost kiss, and we were like, okay,
let's do it. So we came up and like put
our faces next to each other, and I swear to god.
We came back to the States and we were dating.
We were also moving in together at the time, Kevin
and I his roommates, and it was called they called
(22:15):
it the love Nest in US Weekly, They're like Kevin
and Chenna are moving into the love Nest.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I probably ate that articles.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I was the most famous I've ever been in that moment.
It was like Kevin and I like all over the
news because then we went to London after Paparazzi's crazy
there and we held hands every time we left the
hotewn just to like mess with them because this is
so fun.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
So like we know how it's.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Done, right, see it all ran in front of it,
and we try to address it in the most positive way,
like it's not our story to tell. It's not our
story to tell. That's kind of how we feel about
the show.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
But do you have a story to tell?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Like, no, I'm asking because I but like, what's the story.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
With all this stuff that's happening with Grey's Anatomy, Like
I'm like, I swear all these big shows, with all
these unsolved ensemble casts, everyone's coming out being like I
have a story to tell, but I'm not ready to tell.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
It right, like some of the writers from Grace. Okay, okay, No,
I don't really have a story to tell. I really don't.
I wish I did.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
I'm not. I'm not that like fun No, but you
know what, there's some people who have some stories to tell.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I think right, as I'm sure there are in every series,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
And I'm just waiting for that with popcorn, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Right, I'm waiting for it too from our show. I'm like,
come on, let's go and bring it to the podcast. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Period here, First, did you have any like musical guests
or even I for some reason, my immediate memory goes
to Gwyneth Paltrow being on the show and this this
Celo Green.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Song, Yes forget you, Yeah, I forget you.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
That's but do you have any guests that were like
musical guests or actors that you had a really great
experience with or more like a disappointing experience with.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I honestly like, I don't think I had any real
disappointing once.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, okay, so I was a big.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Britney fan, as we all obviously, and Brittany came on
the show and it was like now in this time
where we know what we know, she was being handled,
so you know, sadly, sadly, and now like looking in hindsight,
you're like, oh it all makes sense. It was such
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a circus. Everybody had to wear like name tags.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
On the crew. Why are you wearing a name tag,
like it was wild.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
And it was really sad, but like I wish, I
wish she was in a better place, right and I
understand now she wasn't, And so that one like I
got to work very closely with her and was like
she wasn't really just there fully like I think she
probably would have wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But no, every guest star.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Was literally amazing, like they were we find out they
were all fans. We find out like how happy they
were to be there, like christ and Chenna with was
one of our first ones. Yeah, like god bless, Like
Gwyneth was amazing. She's still like we keep in touch.
She's so cool. Yeah, because she married Rat the creator,
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who's like still a friend of ours.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
She's so cool.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
She seems cool.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
John Stamos like became a good friend. It was really surreal.
When they come on and you hear they're coming on,
you're like, oh, I like I wonder if they'll kind
of like keep themselves or hanging out. And Samos is
like knocking on our trailer doors like hey guys, what's
going on?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
And you're like, hey, uncle Jesse, you want to hang
out with that? He's like yeah, like let's go out.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
We're like great, we go to dinner, like it's so weird.
He's so lovely, but everybody was like very normal. I
wish we had worked with Sarah Jessica Closer, she worked
on like the New York Side when they went over there.
Kate Hudson too, like we got to work with her
very briefly, but like so cool, like so cool?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Did I was.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Trying to think of when when y'all did that, like
when Corey passed away and y'all because that was a lot,
like y'all filmed that around that, Yeah, because y'all have
a contract that you have to fulfill.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So what was the timeframe?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, so we just did this on the podcast.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Actually, so it was season It was between season four
and season five that he passed away in July. We
were supposed to start filming season five in the end
of July. Obviously that got postponed. We started August fifth, though,
Like he passed away in July thirteenth, I think it
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was or July tenth, and we started August sixth, so
it wasn't that long. And so we did the first
two episodes that were already written. Have nothing to do
with him or his character it's not spoken of, and
then see the episode. The third episode of season five
was The Quarterback, which was Corey's episode where Finn also
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passes away in the show. Now, Ryan's been on the
show before. He came on and did the first two
episodes with us of the podcast and said he probably
wouldn't have continued the show if it or really what
he said was like I wouldn't have done the episode
where we, you know, Finn passes away. We didn't really
(27:47):
want to do the show after that anyway, to be
completely honest, like nobody really wanted to be there during
that time.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
What season was that, season five? Yeah, yeah, right, Again
my memory it's like very skewed.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
And when Finn passes away on the show, we just recapped,
We just like passed that episode. We didn't recap that episode,
like Kevin and I didn't want to watch it at
all because it was literally us grieving Corey and they
were filming as graving Finn.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
It was awful.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
It was absolutely awful, And they gave us the option
to do it or not, like they said, not everybody
has to do this, like you don't have to be
a part of it, but everybody was doing it, and
Leo was doing it, and.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
You're like, well, if she can, if she can, I
can do it.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
And so we did it and it was literally awful.
I mean it was just the worst and so nobody
and then we took a two week break. The writers
had to just figure out what the rest of the
show is going to look like because the season six
and the end of the show is supposed to be
Finn and Rachel and like Ryan knew what was going
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to happen and knew all like the things that were
going to pan out in that time, and so the
whole show had to be basically reworked.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And so you know, in two weeks they kind of
just veered off and we moved on and it's a
weird season. Yeah, so far. Well yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Mean when he says like he he wouldn't have done that,
like he wouldn't have had him like his character pass away,
I feel like, I guess when you're thinking about it, it
feels like the right thing to do because you're like
paying your respects and like to you know what.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
I mean, you do?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, is it just thought he was doing the right thing? Yeah,
I think everybody did. Yeah, but how else would you
do it?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I guess I.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Don't know, right, Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Almost like if it does, if it's something like I
don't even know. I don't even know.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
He was just the heartbeat of the show. He was
the show, the leader of our show, and so you
just go like, I don't know how we do this
without him, and we we modeled through, but I don't
know that we should have, right, Yeah. He was like
that was it, that should have been it?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Sadly, you know.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah, Well, I think in hindsight you can always look
back and go like, oh maybe I could have.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Or whatever should have done this.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Yeah, But in the moment, that's such a I mean,
it's like tragedy.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
It's how do you exactly you know, nobody going through that, yeah,
like nobody's in their right mind.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
And then you're doing it publicly with you know, millions
of people waiting to see what.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
You're going to do with it. It's a lot of pressure,
so much pressure. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
So, and I think Leah had a big part of
it also, was like I really want to get people
back together and do it. And she came back and
like just jumped back into the show, which was crazy, Like,
so I think that was also a big part of it.
If she had said, like I'm out, maybe things would
have been different.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, but I also think that's some some people cope
in that way right of being able to just like
dive in to work, you know whatever work it is,
just like dive in and kind of like have that
be like your coping mechanism?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Of the episodes that you remember being a part of.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Or during rewatching, have you had any where you're like
or like a memory that came back where you were like.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Dang, I wish I had gotten that song?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Oh yeah, I mean we just talked about this on
the show too. Kevin generally like if there was a
song on the script and his name wasn't in it,
or like you didn't see already singing on it, he
would like call them and be like can I sing
on this?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Really?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah? Like if he really felt.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Passionate love, because he was like a big Michael fan,
Michael Jackson fan, so like if there was a Michael song,
he'd be like, hey, you guys, come on.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
For me.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
It wasn't like I remember there were tribute episodes we did,
like we did Billy Joel. We just did that one,
and I'm from Long Island and so is Billy, so
like we I grew up with Billy, like that was
our pride and joy of like you.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Know, Billy came from Long Island.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
And I didn't sing a song in that episode or
a solo, and I was like so bitter about it
that I remember being I said to our producer Sam,
I said, I think this episode was really bad, and
then we rewatched and I was like, I'm so wrong.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I just hated the feeling.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
I felt during the episode of not getting to sing
a Billy's Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Did you ever reach out and say, like I want
to be a part.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Of that now?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I didn't. I just Tina was like my character was.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
We make jokes now because she was just like shut
on the whole time of the series. She has like
these shine moments and then she kind of like goes
to the background again, and so people always say like
she was just under underused and underappreciated, which is like.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I totally appreciate.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
And it became like a joke in the show as well,
that like Tina poor Tina, she didn't get a so
low and so it felt like very raw for me
during that time, that like, what's wrong with me? Why
am I not talented enough? Is my character not loved enough?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Like?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
What what can I do?
Speaker 6 (33:29):
And so I would speak up here and there, but
I just didn't feel like I had the legs to
say what I was really feeling.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
But it goes to show you it's the difference between
men and women. Men have no problem saying for what's
saying what they.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Want to because if you speak up, you're a bitch.
But a man speaks up and he's like if.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
You want to seeing something, They're like, oh, she's difficult.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's totally true. Yeah, and it was a
different time back then too.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
But even still, I feel like it probably still be
the same way.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, i'd be like, excuse me, maybe not too much trouble.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I would really love.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
To it's okay, worries just forget I said it?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, go back here now gross gross, I
see yourself being on like another show like Lee.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Again, what I don't think so it would.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Look There's people who I think have done multiple musical
theater shows like Alex Newall who did Glee and played
Unique and then he went on to do Zoey's Playlist
and like, you know, all these cool musical things. For me,
it's like I think I'm putting it to rest. I mean,
ask me in a few years, and it's like, I'll
say yes to a job for sure, but it wouldn't
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be my first choice.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
What would be your first choice?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Oh, like a comedy, like a half hour comedy, like Friends.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Like Multi Caam, like Elementary.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I've seen it.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
I don't watch it religiously, but yes, like like Modern Family,
which was like our big rival. Were so different it
didn't even matter, but we were on at the same time.
We were up for all the same Awards's fun. Yeah,
every circle was like every party thing was just us
and them, and I just would have loved to be
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on their show.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
We used to complain.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
We were like, we get like costco crafty because there's
so many of us and there's.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
So many crew members.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
We'd get like cheeseballs and like eggs for lunch, and
they were I heard they were getting like sushi and we're.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Like, what the family over there getting sushi for lunch
And we're like, can I just get like a salad
bar or something, maybe some like healthy choices.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
And then the news comes out of what they're making
per episode, you're like.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Like they still are fine, and they got syndicated and
they're good, and over here we're just like, please some
more cheese, please, Just kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
So what about Broadway though? Was there any would that be?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (36:20):
More than t like do you favor one or the other?
I love Broadway? Yeah, I love the stage. I would
love to go back and do it. It's hard, it's
like a totally different beast, like living in New York
doing eight shows a week, like depending on the season.
But I would definitely go back and do that over
another musical TV show, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I just feel like Glee completed that scratch that. Yeah,
And for musicals, like it's always so different and you're
telling the same story every night, and like that is
like such a challenge for me. And I just love
a live body and so I would definitely pick that.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
I'm so fascinated buy that headspace of loving a live audience.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Nothing sound scarier.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Could you do that where you could like pick up
and like move to New York.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
It'd be a lot, but if it was worth it,
and like if it was something that made sense for us,
for sure. My husband, luckily is like a normal person
with a normal job, and so he could he would
love that, like to reload work from Yeah, and you
know these days, like you can work from anywhere generally,
but with kids, it's different.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I guess like that you'd have to be like how
old are they? What school? How do you handle that?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah? Until a certain point though, I feel like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
You can just move them around? Yeah, fine, Yeah, they'd
be fine.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Speaking of y'all met on him?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
I know, Oh my god, which is Altonia met her fiance?
Speaker 8 (37:49):
Why?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah? Hinge man honestly sponsor us?
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Did you ask them?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Why am I not doing any endorsements for Hinge?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I told Sam? I was like, look where they don't
need a literally walking success story.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Yeah, they're popping.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So were you on Hinge for a long time?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Two days?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
She was so anti first first day?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Oh yeah, first Hine day.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
So were you just like, I'm okay, first of all,
what was your relationship?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
We met like in person?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
An you mean like what year did you meet in?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Twenty eighteen?
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, same year as the Americans. She just finished American.
I just finished it.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
We just started watching it a rewatch rewatch.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
So I just finished the series last night. I was like,
I know five years late to this, so got so
good unexpected ending. But anyways, that's not the point. The
point is I feel like Hinge was really popping off
twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
It was like, yeah, it was like the new thing. Yeah,
there was the League, there was Hinge. I was like
Bumble coffee meats big, it was all the new ones.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Yeah, what was the one where you the girl asked
the guy hated that one?
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Okay, bumble bumble, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I think so. So we met in twenty eighteen. I
was hesitant to join Hinge because.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
It wasn't that long after the show ended either, just
like throwing yourself on the internet and.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
You're like date me. And luckily he was like one
of the first people that I spoke to. We hit
it off. He thought he was being catfished, like briefly,
He's like I know this girl, like hopefully she shows up.
And so we met at Emily in West Hollywood and
I showed up. So he was like, Okay, it's her
(39:44):
and and never like the rest was history, that was it?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
What was it about him? Because I imagined that.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I also imagine you probably had a guard up because
you're in a position where you come from this massive
show and it's like.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Probably did men throwing them at you?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Oh, thank you for that. No, I did not have
men throwing my or maybe the wrong men. Yeah, men, yes, yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
There was definitely like options. But then at some point
it just was like, I'm not here for the Hollywood hookup,
Like I'm here for.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
To meet my husband.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
So when I joined Hinge, I moved back to LA
I was like, I'm here to meet my husband. And
we met up and he was just so honest and
we our conversation was so good and we just chatted
for hours and the date, like I told him, I
was like I turned into a pumpkin at ten, So
I'm going to go home after that, and then we
(40:38):
ended up like staying out way way after that, and
it was just one of those things You're like, I
really like this person.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I trust this person. He's very open.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
It was the first time that I was like, oh,
he's not an actor in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
That I'm meeting on Riyah, Like.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Yeah, there was something very refreshing about him that felt
different than the guys I had dated in my past
that were like not were actors, and I swore off them.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Really, yeah, what is it about it? Is it just
because the schedules are too crazy?
Speaker 6 (41:13):
No, I think it's this particular breed of mail like
you and I think it's a particular thing. And I
don't mean to generalize, like male actors, there's something very
specific that they I find need and want from people attention.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Mm hmmm, yeah, let's just name them. Who is it?
All of them?
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Now?
Speaker 6 (41:35):
I can see that, you know, And it just feels
like there's and then you're also just competing. It's like
a constant competition and also being like unemployed at the
same time somebody gets a job.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
It just feels too close.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
I had some of that, like in the actors I
dated in the past, where like somebody was working more,
and especially like when I was on Glee. It's just
like it's it's a level of success that like some
people never reach in their whole lives that I'm so
lucky to have, right, And I didn't want to feel
bad about it, you know, And so I just I
(42:16):
didn't want to feel that like that in the future either,
Like and you like.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
You had to make yourself smaller.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like being a woman and you
know you're like, I just want to be who I
am and be able.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
To reach my highest potential.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
And he he just supported that from the very beginning,
and I even told him like at that point, I
was like, I think I want to take a break
from acting for a while. I don't really know what
I want to do. And he was like, great, do
whatever you want to do. And I was like, that's
a good sign.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Do you know what I mean? It's not like you're
at the heid of your career. What do you do? Eat?
Speaker 9 (42:48):
Right?
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Get that in there.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
He's like, whatever you want to do will make you happy, Like,
that's what makes me happy.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
What is that decision like though, to go from being
like on a show like Glee and then being like
I want to take a break from this whole world.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
Yeah, it's really hard because walking away from the thing
that made you who you or put you in that
position with those kind of opportunities feels like counterintuitives in
some ways. But there was a lot of time after
Glee where we all thought like, oh, strike while the
iron's hot. We're all gonna be like we're never gonna
(43:25):
have to audition again, and our lives are and careers
are made. And there was like a rude wake up
call when like nobody wanted us at all. And I
think there was like a moment of oversaturation from Glee
where they could only see us as those characters and
those people. So every time I walked into an audition
room after that, it was like, I can't un see
what we've been seeing for the past six years, every
(43:46):
day and every billboard, every bus, every you know, in
our living rooms. And it was like it was really
a rude wake up call but allowed me to find
so many other things that I love and like do
a lot of self work to detach from my worth
being attached to this show, my work, being attached to
fame and my career.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
So I'm like so grateful for it, but.
Speaker 6 (44:13):
I think with that work came like this detachment from
like what actually makes me happy and what can I
find in my own worth versus like this job, the
next job that I'm chasing. And so when I realized
that I could feel worthy without that I was like, Oh,
maybe I don't need to do this all the time
because it's so ruling and you're at the mercy of
(44:35):
so many other people. And after doing it for six years,
you're like, I just need like a break, like make
my own schedule and go out to dinner with my
husband and like have a kid and not have to
move to Atlanta for six you know, six months.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Like it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I feel like in this industry, like in Hollywood, like
the highs are so high and the lows can be
so low, like and I feel like it's not really
you know, we see lot of drugs and things like
that in the entertainment industry, but it's like I think
it's because nobody talks about like the highs and how
high you can get.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
And then when it goes away.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
And like when you're alone and you're home, like how
low that low feels, you know, when you're on this
this like hamster hamster wheel and then you get off
of it, like it's a it's very very, very jarring.
And I feel like to have the self awareness too,
like in that moment for you to to pull yourself
out of that is like a testament to to who
you are, because I feel like it's really really hard
(45:32):
because you kind of just want.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
To keep chasing the high. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
I mean I had my fair share of like chasing
the high and like wanting that and wanting to be
relevant and staying in it. And then like when you
actually do like get off of the hamster wheel and
stab back, you're like, WHOA, that's not normal.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
It's not normal at all. Yeah, and like how do
you You can't sustain that, that's the truth. So if
you're always chasing the high, that's that's where you get
in trouble.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yeah yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Yeah crazy, And I I think to be able to
go like okay, I'm putting my worth into like going
to auditions and people being like you're not it over
and over again. It is like such a it's just
not grueling a normal way for our brains to be
able to process who we are as a person because
they're basically being just told no to reject it over yeah, rejection,
(46:20):
and we're not created to like now it's we're also
like it's so interesting becoming a parent, Like you you realize.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
The amount of learning you do and teaching you have
to do, right and so like we're learning all about
like extrinsic like reward. Everything is like here, have a
lollipop if you do something good. Here, let me praise
you when you've put this painting on the wall, and
you're like this is crazy, Like where do you find
the worth inside? Where do you find the pride of yourself?
(46:51):
Versus like I'm so proud of you, like teaching a
kid to go, Like you should be so proud of yourself,
you should be so happy saying I mean I don't
say I say that to my daughter all the time,
and I'm like, oh, you're great, Like of course I do,
but to have them find it within themselves versus always
(47:12):
searching for the external reward.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
But how do you do that?
Speaker 6 (47:16):
By like it starts, I mean obviously she's two and
a half, so I've only started the journey of this,
but like it's like not always praising them for things
that they do, but like having them feel accomplished in
their own right. So you say, like you should be
so proud of yourself versus I'm so proud of you
on you know, in alternating time, like you did that,
(47:40):
you did that yourself, not like I'm so proud of that.
You you know, you're you did so great. It's simple
and it's so but it's so powerful and it's like
for us, we always look for that. You're like when
the next click, the next, like the next, it's like
our whole world is society is like built on that now. Yeah,
(48:02):
and you're like, how do I how do I make
that change that for them?
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Yeah? Or at least lay the foundation for that. Yeah,
how do you do it? At thirty six years old?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
How do we?
Speaker 3 (48:14):
You should be so proud of yourself. She's like getting
bed at night, it's so proudic.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
You know, you should be so proud of yourself.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, but yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
But I know it's like, how do that?
Speaker 8 (48:27):
Is such a It's like it's like reframing it, Yeah,
reframing how you are seeing you're saying the word and
feeling feeling that internally.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Oh yeah, it's impactful.
Speaker 6 (48:39):
But it's true though, like so like it's just constantly
in our business in this industry, constantly seeking everybody's approval.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Is the movie good? Did I do a good job?
Do I look pretty?
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Am I the box of this?
Speaker 3 (48:54):
For you to hire me?
Speaker 6 (48:56):
It's like where's the internal worthing from then, versus like
figuring it out and being like, I know that I
have something to offer, and if it's not, if I'm
not the role and this isn't for me, I know
that somebody else will value me somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
It's so hard.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
It's so hard. I hate this business.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Speaking of hating the business, After you have your baby,
what do you.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
What do you plan on doing?
Speaker 6 (49:41):
It's a good question.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (49:45):
I feel like my whole identity is shifted in my daughter,
and so after this baby, like who knows. I think
I have to like figure out my footing with two children. Luckily,
I've been able to like sustain financially on like little
jobs here and there, and you know, social media, which
has been like a really sadly great.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Thing for you know, all of us.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
I don't think it's at all.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, it is the way of the world.
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Yeah, I wish I could be on it a little
bit less, but like it is part of the job.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Right, Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, it's also like if you think it's just a
different extension of like if you've got a commercial.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
On tabizing exactly.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
You got it on your own page.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
I know I'm better. We're just like so oversaturated now,
oh yeah, and it's just like you're scrolling it and
seeing it twenty four to seven. Yeah, but yes, it
is the medium. It is the way to evolve. It's
how we have to do it right. But I don't know.
I mean, maybe i'd get back into acting.
Speaker 6 (50:41):
I think I would have different a different perspective, and
I think I would be pickier in terms of like
what I take and.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
What jobs I want to even.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
Audition for this way, just because I can also see
now like I've sustained without it for so long, Like
I haven't worked as an actor in quite a bit
of time, and it's kind of nice. So I don't know.
I think I want to like dip my toes in
directing and producing and just being able to like in
(51:15):
jobs that fulfill me but also allowed me to like
kind of make my own schedule or have more control
over it.
Speaker 5 (51:20):
Yeah, have y'all come up? Have y'all solidified a name
for the baby we have? What's the process of coming?
Speaker 8 (51:28):
Is it?
Speaker 10 (51:28):
Was?
Speaker 3 (51:29):
It?
Speaker 8 (51:29):
Like?
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Oh yeah, no, it's hard.
Speaker 6 (51:31):
So with Emma, my first, our first kid, she was
pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
You know, you find out pretty early on now, like
what the the sex of the baby is, and so
we were thrilled.
Speaker 6 (51:43):
We had a handful of girl names. This one like
felt to us like it meant universe.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
It means universal and whole, and so we felt like
she was like completing a part of our family. So
that's why we wanted to choose that name.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
I didn't know the Emma meant that, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
It has a lot of names.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
I mean, you live on no Well, which is my
middle name. So I was like, she gets you know,
her father's last name. So yes, this one was much harder,
and I don't know why, it just was harder.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
I think we also we didn't know.
Speaker 6 (52:26):
We were like, we didn't we weren't positive were gonna
have a second kid. We thought like, oh, let's start
with the first one and see. So like it wasn't
even in our minds, but we had a couple of
names and we landed. We landed on the one we
landed on. Also, it actually has like nothing to do
with the meaning at all. It was just that we
like like.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
The name and could agree on it, like that's where
we got.
Speaker 6 (52:53):
But we love this name, so like now it feels
right and after using it for a while, but it
wasn't like, oh, this means a whole so it's going
to be.
Speaker 5 (53:01):
Like like why did you need this?
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Like we liked it, it was good enough, sounds good
with the last name. Yeah right, we couldn't agree on
anything else. So here you are. No, it's it's good.
Speaker 6 (53:20):
But yes, we do have a name, and we we
didn't share the first one.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
We're not sharing the second one.
Speaker 6 (53:25):
Like a lot of people just like throw out names
who are pregnant and just like talk about the names
that they really Yeah, I find that's very common these days.
And we found that like, once we landed on them,
we didn't want other people's opinions because we didn't want
to be swayed.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
Yea.
Speaker 6 (53:43):
And so you're like, you don't You don't realize until
you're looking at baby names how many people like from
your past you.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Don't like, Yeah, no, I get that.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
You're like, well, I knew a person like that in school,
do you know what I mean? Middle school? By bye,
you really can't do that one. No, it reminds me
of that person. Yeah, so we.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
Yeah, that's that's kind of the name game. But there's
an app also that you can use that's like a
dating app where you swipe left for all names. Yes,
and you'll swipe and swipe and swipe, and it's connected
with your partner. So if you have a match it,
I'll tell you you mad.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
That is what is the name of this app?
Speaker 3 (54:26):
I think it's called baby Names, but I like that.
Speaker 9 (54:29):
Yeah, they got really creative with that name.
Speaker 6 (54:34):
The names on that app that are crazy. Oh, like
I can't I can't even remember now. It was like
there's every name from like it's biblical, it's historical, it's
there's like the most popular and it's just really like
I think there was one that was like Stone, and
(54:56):
I'm like, I actually kind of like that name, but
it's crazy, like we would never a name and that
we're just not those people.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Stone.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
It's strong.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
It is kind of strong, a pretty strong example.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
Yeah, I keep that in my pocket.
Speaker 8 (55:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (55:10):
It's when they're like starting, well, thank you for coming
out of the house, getting out of the house and
coming into the studio chat with us.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
We're so excited for you.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
I just like I have it's so crazy, Like I
have these moments doing.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
The podcast where I get to sit across from people.
Speaker 5 (55:37):
That like I was just it's just so crazy. I
think back to myself moving from Louisiana to San Diego
and Glee being the show that my me and my
sister and brother in law watched when I didn't have
any friends, and it was like I was it was
just so so it's it's really amazing getting to do this,
and I've been a fan of you for so long,
so thank you for coming.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
I feel like forever. I also feel like I just
like know you.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a bit of you guys.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Friends, Oh my god. You know, it's good when you
have mutual friends.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
It's always good when the mutual friends are there.
Speaker 8 (56:13):
And I watched you on your show, I know, but
then and then we knew each other through Cammy.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Kimmy knows everybody connect mood who's her sisters Mary.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
Mary Miller very well. But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Immy is great.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
You love you, love you.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
Yeah, she's good to good people. But we'll do this again.
Love too. When you're like, when you're like I.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
Need someone to take the kids and I need to
go do something, I'm gonna come to the girls to you.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
Oh great, I'll come to you guys. Okay, it's anyway.
She's nice, Bradley, get out of the house.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
We'll bring Italian subs. Oh eat next time.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Well, your favorite thing is to have drinks with our guests,
and you're pregnantly so you cannot.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
And then our last guest was nineteen, so she could
not protestant.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
It's her new favorite thing. We literally did it once.
It's her new.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
Favorite thing that we have not one time in the
same way that, like, is this the tradition? Now right,
you've done it once? What's your birthday? April aries tourists?
Speaker 9 (57:22):
Okay, so we did this bit where Tania really feels
like she's in the know of like zodiac zodiac sense, yes,
and she will try and guess and she never like
it's like she goes through like the list close.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
Second all it makes so much sense of that, your tourist.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Oh my god, it always makes sense after Okay, what's
your way?
Speaker 4 (57:49):
Is your husband Leo?
Speaker 5 (57:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (57:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (57:52):
Is your husband a cancer?
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (57:53):
Yes, see yes, I have a lot of cancers in
my life.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yeah, but like a lot of.
Speaker 4 (57:59):
Them a toy and a cancer. So you are destined
for greatness.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (58:05):
You heard it here for I had six years later.
Speaker 6 (58:09):
On the podcast the other day, and I felt like
the same that you had said.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
It's like if like you told me.
Speaker 6 (58:15):
Yeah, that's crazy twenty years ago, said I would be
sitting like talking to Jcase like he called me by
my first name.
Speaker 3 (58:23):
You're crazy.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
Are they going on tour?
Speaker 3 (58:26):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (58:28):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Just the one off when it was so nice. It
would have we would have loved that.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
I feel like they had stuff in the works and
then the yeah, into a different direction.
Speaker 4 (58:41):
But I'm giving up hope.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
I feel like you can never give up hope.
Speaker 5 (58:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
I feel like they just tabled the conversation for now,
let the let.
Speaker 4 (58:48):
The dust set all.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
Yeah, and then we'll see visit.
Speaker 4 (58:50):
In twenty We'll circle back, circle back. Yeah. Where can
everybody follow you? Listen to the podcast all the things?
Speaker 6 (58:56):
Yes, so we're on I heard as well, where and
that's what you really missed podcas past and you can
follow me on Instagram and TikTok and uh that's pretty
much the two that I'm on is Jenna Schwitz, Easy peasy.
Speaker 3 (59:09):
We love you so much, love you, thank you, thank you.
That's so fun.
Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, everybody, we are scrubbing in.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Scrub but dumb dub a dumb whoof stunning.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We have a guest today. She is not on Dancing
with the Stars.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
No, she's not.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Spoiler alerts spoiler.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
But she is a star, yes, and she is one
of I literally can't believe that we're doing this interview
because I am a self proclaimed gleek.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Same, and and she's a fellow podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Door you know, she has an iHeart radio podcast and
it's called and that's what you really missed that she
also does with her best friend Kevin McHale.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Who was also in Glee. Yes, so we are very
excited to welcome her. We've been trying to have her
on the show forever. So the time is now. If
not now, when when? So the time is now. Please
welcome Donna. Yeah, Jenna, We I feel have been trying
to make this happen for.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Some time forever.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I just need my house so oh.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
So like when we pitch it, because Tanya is she
is like in studio.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Only I know and I do on need my house, so.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's special outing it took some time, but I genuinely
feel like this podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Is going to be ten times better because of it.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I agree. I totally agree. Thank you, like in person.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And I appreciate you taking the time and for venturing
out of your house for us.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I love only have fellow podcasters on the show because
there's this easy camaraderie that's like very conversational and it's
not just.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, you're like, oh god, what is this going to be?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Like, I find pregnancy and childbirth so because I've never
something I haven't experienced yet, so I find it like
so intriguing and interesting because I'm like, you're bopping around town, yeah,
and you're fine, Yeah, You're like I'm feeling good.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
It's it's different for everybody, and it's every birth is different.
It's not like you go in for one and the
second one is going to be exactly the same.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
It's definitely not.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
So it's just like you just have to like figure
out what feels right and you have to like give
them the caveat that. Like I have stuff planned all
this week and next week, and I'm like, just so
you know, I'm very pregnant, So there's always a chance
that I won't show up.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, you know when.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You like you already you have a little girl?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
How does she two and a half?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay, so you have done this before.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Yeah, when when you were doing it for the first time,
were you like anxious, like what were your feelings versus
this time?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Or just like getting ready for the birth and everything.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
It's actually funny because I think the less you know
the better, Like, oh, with my daughter, I was so excited.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Everything was magical.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
You're like, so you can't wait, Like it was just
I felt really good. And then this pregnancy, I was
like put on bed rest in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I couldn't leave my house for like two months.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
And then I got out of bed rest, which was
like thank God, and I've been moving around. I'm just
grateful I can like move around. I think that's why
I'm like so active right now. But I'm like kind
of terrified of childbirths because I just know what postpartums like,
I know what is coming or what could.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Be, and there's too many options.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And you did you have postpartum with your first No.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It honestly wasn't.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
I didn't have any kind of like postpartum pressure or
baby blues or anything like that, thankfully, but I did.
It's just like nobody tells you all the things that
like happen afterwards when your milk comes in and your
boobs get hard, and like you tell us like yeah,
like so when your milk comes in like three to
days three days after your you have the baby, like
three to five days normally.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Like your boobs get like.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
So large and hard that they're like bowling ball and
it's just and then some people are like leakers, and
some people are like like I don't know other things anyway,
I'm a leaker. And so like there's just like milk
like literally coming out of me involuntarily, like I bend
over out of the shower and like there's just melk
coming out of me, and it's just like you can't
control any of it, so you just don't. And I
(04:19):
had to see section the first time too, so I
have like a belly band and scar, and nobody talks
about like the first pee afterwards, like terrifying, is it her?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's it's a lot like does it hurt?
Speaker 6 (04:33):
People have like epidurals, Like the epidural has worn off
and either it's like hard to peek because you've had
a catheter inside of you, or like you don't know
if you're gonna be able to pee. It takes a while.
So there's like a nurse like holding you up, being
like come.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
On, you can do it, holding what hold well, like
your arm right to make sure you don't fall because
like you've just come off of anesthesia or like you know,
an epidural of like numbness.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah, no one talks.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
I actually like probably I've broken the seal of like
trust for other women because like nobody should know this
until afterwards.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I'm so glad I didn't know. Now I know.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, I know because you experienced it exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
WHOA like you hear about things, but I haven't thought
or heard about that one.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, nobody tells you because they don't want to freak
you out. They're like, okay, you just good luck. Yeah,
have a great time.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I think it's better right not no, right, so just.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Erase, that's no more questions.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you for coming in.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Do you have like a hospital, like is your hospital
backpacked or it's ready?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Oh it's ready? What's in there? It's I'm very minimal.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
So it's like I brought a boppy so I could
brest feed, pajamas with a button down so that you
can breastfeed, like socks under everything else, like a phone
charger that's like a ten footer because you just don't
know where the plug's coming.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Sometimes I brought my iPad last time and that was nice.
And some pajamas and like going home out for the
baby and going home out for me and that's like
and then just some shower stuff and that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Oh wow.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Everything else they have there, like in America, Like they
have diapers for you and for the baby. They have wipes,
they have like the blankets, they have everything, so you
don't need to bring anything.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
People bring like candles and rose cords.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
So like if you're doing like an unmedicated birth and
you are like doing hypno birthing or something where you're
going to be like, let's turn the lights down, let's
put the.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Candles on, and let's put like a.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Playlist like that's some people need, but like I don't
think I'm gonna do that, so just keep the lights on.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Do you have like a first meal that have you
been avoiding anything this pregnancy.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
To be completely honest, I did avoid sushi the first one.
I haven't eating sushi the second one. But I my
first meal I think is going to be like a
big like Italian sub because you can't eat cold cuts
so and there's like all these listeria outbreaks right now
happening and you're like stay away. So I think like
(07:24):
a big Italian sum from like all about the bread.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, oh yeah, salami, turkey and like Judo like give me.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Everything to the day.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Literally, I can't wait. We postmade it. The postmate like
shows up downstairs like I'm here with your meal.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
So yeah, how is how are you feeling about having
two kids?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Like, because I feel like there's there's the one which
is like a total adjustment because it's just such a
life change, and then it's like you've done this already,
but no there's an added yeah child.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
To be completely honest, I'm like terrified and excited at
the same time, because people say like two is actually
like the second one is easier, Like you're more calm,
You've just been there already, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
What you're doing.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
I'm more concerned about my firstborn because she's.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Still so young.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Right, and like very attached and we're very close, and
so I like she's excited and she knows what's coming,
but I don't think she fully knows like what's coming right, right.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So I think that transition.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I'm more concerned about her getting what she needs. And
we have a lot of help, Like we're so lucky
and my husband gets eight weeks off and so there's
like three adults to like two children, Like we're not
outnumbered yet, but I'm definitely.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I'm definitely nervous. Like I feel like people are like.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Oh yeah, like the one to do is a lot
like the first one kind of reminds me of like
a first pregnancy, Like you're on the couch, you're watching TV,
you're taking naps, like you're chilling, and then like this pregnancy,
you're like chasing a toddler.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Until four weeks before you give birth.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
And so I feel like the second you know, the
first child's born and you're like laying on the couch recovering,
and everybody comes to visit and brings you snacks and
brings you gifts, and the second one they're like, oh,
you got this, and you're just like left to fend
for yourself, and so I'm like, I don't know, Like
I don't know what it's going to be like, but
(09:43):
I know I'm just gonna have my hands full again.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah yeah, I mean it's like you, it's almost the same.
I feel like it's the same thing with the first
kid too, Like you can't it's like, no, don't know,
no matter what people tell you, and like how much
information you get, Yeah, there's just no way to prepare
for what I've gathered, especially with.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It is different. Every meat is different, Like you don't
know what you're gonna need or like it's just like.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
You just have to go with the flow, which sounds awful.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I'm not gonna go with the flow person, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah this yeah, we Yeah, that's where the flow.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
She have to go with it. She is like, I know,
it's pretty nice. Yeah that Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
But you have a podcast with Kevin, who is your
best friend, and we've established that he is actually more
of Rebecca and you are more of a Tamia.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah that type of way, that is correct. I feel
like the dynamic. Do you feel like that dynamic?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
And obviously in a friendship it works because it's like
yin and yang, but I really feel like in.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
The podcast world it is it also.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Adds an element of like fun and conversational aspect to it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Totally.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
There's like a learning curve, I think at first, because
like I expect so much from myself all the time.
I'm like a crazy person, and so with anybody, I
have to be like manage your expectations. They're not you,
Like you can't expect the same thing from them that
you expect from yourself, Like it's just not gonna turn
out well. I never really felt like that with Kevin
(11:12):
because we worked together for so long and wou lay
together that we were just like we knew how we
function Yeah, but yeah, we we vibraally well together. And
I think it's because like we're both good at different things, and.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
He's like a good reminder.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
For me that he's like, you just need to chill,
like it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You're like, realize you're right.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
But it's also nice for people because I feel like
they can like relate to different, you know, different sides
of each of you.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, I think so. I mean our fans.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
It's funny because I think they relate more to our
characters sometimes than to us, or like they conflate the two,
so it's a little different. Like, yeah, I feel like
people when they listen to you, they hear like you guys,
and they know exactly who you are off the bat,
But for us, like they kind of had to distinguish
the differences between Tina.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And Jenna and Artie and Kevin.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Right right?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
But yeah, I mean, does you guys your podcast is
basically it's a Glee rewatch podcasts. You're on season five
right now, that's right. So what happens after season six
is over?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No? I don't know. We have no idea. Let's go,
let's bring it back season one. We're definitely finishing before
our contracts up, so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Well, I want to know what it was like before
y'all started the podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
How do you watched rewatched Glee at all?
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Oh? I haven't, if I'm being completely honest. There's season
the rest of season five we have to do, and
then season six, which my character like came in at
the very very end.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Again, but I.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Wasn't really in that season and I didn't watch the show,
so I don't really know what happens.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Sorry, watched it with the literally the first time. Yeah,
so no, we had not rewatched it, which is kind
of the reason why we were like, I guess we
could do this because we haven't seen in so long.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Did it bring up a lot of feelings because that
was such a Yeah, it brings up a lot of
feelings every week.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's fun because it's been so long since it we
did it. You know, it's twenty fifteen.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
I think we wrapped, and like there's so much there
was so much space and.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Time between it.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Now you can look back on it differently, and then
also through the lens of twenty twenty four, which is
like so different than two thousand and nine twenty fifteen.
So it's it's been It's been a lot of feelings,
a lot of fun. There's also like a lot of
time where Kevin and I will just tell like everybody
we don't remember being there.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And then on this day, which is like alarming, you know,
like I'm not watching myself do something that I have
no recollection of doing it all.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Because like I feel like in the time that Glee
was airing, it was like in the height of was
there was there social media?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Then we just started Twitter.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Twitter just came to the yeah Instagram like had started
mid season three major Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, So it was like in that era of just
like you see it on your TV and that's how
you get and people are like like feening for more,
and it was.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Like, yes a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Do you feel like it was like overstimulating or do
you have like trauma from that?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I mean, we definitely have trauma from that, But it's
not like it's funny like people ask about the fans.
There was such a separation, right, and so it was
like Beatlemania where the only time you get to see
somebody is in person, which was like really exciting and
(14:55):
also very overwhelming for both parties. Our fans are pretty great,
but in droves, Like when we were touring the world
and doing like arena tours, there's so many kids around
in the town when you're there for the weekend that
like you can't go out and shop and see the
(15:15):
sites without like security.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And so it was very.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
It was very odd, like we just wanted to like
party and have a good time and do our jobs,
and like we couldn't really always do that.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
So I think that was like it was just jarring sometimes.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
But I think nowadays it's so different because now fans,
like I can't imagine Glean being on right now with
the fan base and the age that we had, because
they feel like they know you even more so because
you've opened up and let them into a part of
your life. And so there's a part of it that's
(15:59):
like some people, not all fans, I'm not talking about
all the fans, but.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Like felt like now must feel like they have the
right to knowing you all, to knowing all of it,
which is not true, right right, right, So I don't
know if that was the question.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
I don't know where we am about there, but it
was definitely weird, and like obviously the trauma came from
like other parts of the show as well, like from.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Our losing Corey, losing Mark, losing.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Naya, Like that whole thing was a lot of trauma
and a lot of trauma because you're grieving on screen,
you're grieving in public, you're just grieving in general, and
that was like the most traumatic part. But like our
fans were pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
But was the environment on the set?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Was it like.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
What's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 5 (17:08):
I likenky door like like.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Like it was just like.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Was it like very toxic.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
No I that's kind of like why we did the podcast.
Also is because Kevin and like, obviously, with a show
that's that large and the media wants so much to
for click bait to share, they'll only find the feuds,
the trauma, the the you know, the tragedy of it all.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
But like, it really was.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Like so much fun and the crew was so happy
being there because like, you're not doing a drama, you're
singing songs all like, I'm sorry, it's great.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
We all got along. It was easier to get along
than to not like to fight. Was so much energy.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
And really generally obviously we all have our days. You
come to work, you're like want to be there, you don't,
But generally speaking, like it was a really great set
and every guest that comes on is so positive and
is so happy to talk about their experience on the
show because we were such a family and it was
(18:25):
such a bubble, like nobody could understand what we were
going through except for the people who.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Were there, you know, in some way.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Yeah, I also felt like it was one of the
first cast especially of its time, that was diverse, that
had like.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Totally it was like the world of Gossip Girls, and
what was some of the other shows that were like
the lamizing these like rich famous, like elite kids. And
then there's us that's like the Kid, the goth girl,
the Kid and the Welchair, like the you know, the
(19:02):
the outcast, musical theater girl, like all of it was
the underdog. Which is why I.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Think people attached to it so deeply, was because they
felt represented and not like you were just watching something
that was like aspirational that you couldn't you know, or
even entertain, unattainable, right right, Yeah, but I.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Agree, I think it it It hit every group, and
especially in a high school environment. I actually think like
even after high school, there's still people still almost resonate
with who they were, what they like, what they were
in high school. I feel like that follows you forever.
So I feel like you had the jock, you had
(19:42):
the cheerleader, you had the choir girl, you had the
you know, it was like everyone had a could see
themselves in anybody, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And on top of that, it wasn't just an all
white cast. You had you had Asian, you had black,
you had every like a.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Yeah, like we the gay you know, the gay kid,
with the bully that turned out to be gay, the
you know, like a positive gay boy with a dad
who single dad, who they had a great relationship.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Like that was Ryan.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
That was all right Murphy obviously, and like his goal
was to represent the unrepresented. Yeah, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Such a and I will never forget I was.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I was a gleek.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Oh that was gleek.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I loved I literally, there was nothing like it. I
felt like it. It was just in the time when it.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Was the characters more or the music more. I loved everything.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, I think I loved all of it.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
But you know what's interesting is because I feel like
I associated And maybe it was because what was in
the press I associated as like a toxic.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Totally show.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
There's all the stuff coming out about Leah Michelle and
how much of a bully she was and like all
of these things.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
So I thought that it was.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Like, so she know how to read, she doesn't know
how to read.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I have seen this, I have witnessed this.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
That was actually astonishing that that went that far.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
They went in on her for a while after report,
so I was.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Like, like, what what's going on there?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
And then she did the TikTok where she was like
she played into it.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And she's like, do you guys read?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Do you guys dig into that stuff like when like
if there's something out there, yeah, or do you kind
of stay away from it?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
On the podcast we.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Talk about it if it needs to be talked about.
Her needs to be addressed, like Leah being able to read,
Like like you guys, she can read, but we don't.
We don't dig into that because it's like most of
them wasn't true, Like it's it's the most Kevin and
I ever got pressed because we went to Monaco and
our producer was with us, and we were just playing
(21:54):
around and there was paparazzi and like we were in
the ocean and our producers like, you guys come up
like holding hands and like almost kiss, and we were like, okay,
let's do it. So we came up and like put
our faces next to each other, and I swear to god.
We came back to the States and we were dating.
We were also moving in together at the time, Kevin
and I his roommates, and it was called they called
(22:15):
it the love Nest in US Weekly, They're like Kevin
and Chenna are moving into the love Nest.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I probably ate that articles.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I was the most famous I've ever been in that moment.
It was like Kevin and I like all over the
news because then we went to London after Paparazzi's crazy
there and we held hands every time we left the
hotewn just to like mess with them because this is
so fun.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
So like we know how it's.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Done, right, see it all ran in front of it,
and we try to address it in the most positive way,
like it's not our story to tell. It's not our
story to tell. That's kind of how we feel about
the show.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
But do you have a story to tell?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Like, no, I'm asking because I but like, what's the story.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
With all this stuff that's happening with Grey's Anatomy, Like
I'm like, I swear all these big shows, with all
these unsolved ensemble casts, everyone's coming out being like I
have a story to tell, but I'm not ready to tell.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
It right, like some of the writers from Grace. Okay, okay, No,
I don't really have a story to tell. I really don't.
I wish I did.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
I'm not. I'm not that like fun No, but you
know what, there's some people who have some stories to tell.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I think right, as I'm sure there are in every series,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
And I'm just waiting for that with popcorn, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Right, I'm waiting for it too from our show. I'm like,
come on, let's go and bring it to the podcast. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Period here, First, did you have any like musical guests
or even I for some reason, my immediate memory goes
to Gwyneth Paltrow being on the show and this this
Celo Green.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Song, Yes forget you, Yeah, I forget you.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
That's but do you have any guests that were like
musical guests or actors that you had a really great
experience with or more like a disappointing experience with.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I honestly like, I don't think I had any real
disappointing once.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, okay, so I was a big.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Britney fan, as we all obviously, and Brittany came on
the show and it was like now in this time
where we know what we know, she was being handled,
so you know, sadly, sadly, and now like looking in hindsight,
you're like, oh it all makes sense. It was such
(24:45):
a circus. Everybody had to wear like name tags.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
On the crew. Why are you wearing a name tag,
like it was wild.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
And it was really sad, but like I wish, I
wish she was in a better place, right and I
understand now she wasn't, And so that one like I
got to work very closely with her and was like
she wasn't really just there fully like I think she
probably would have wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But no, every guest star.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Was literally amazing, like they were we find out they
were all fans. We find out like how happy they
were to be there, like christ and Chenna with was
one of our first ones. Yeah, like god bless, Like
Gwyneth was amazing. She's still like we keep in touch.
She's so cool. Yeah, because she married Rat the creator,
(25:36):
who's like still a friend of ours.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
She's so cool.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
She seems cool.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
John Stamos like became a good friend. It was really surreal.
When they come on and you hear they're coming on,
you're like, oh, I like I wonder if they'll kind
of like keep themselves or hanging out. And Samos is
like knocking on our trailer doors like hey guys, what's
going on?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
And you're like, hey, uncle Jesse, you want to hang
out with that? He's like yeah, like let's go out.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
We're like great, we go to dinner, like it's so weird.
He's so lovely, but everybody was like very normal. I
wish we had worked with Sarah Jessica Closer, she worked
on like the New York Side when they went over there.
Kate Hudson too, like we got to work with her
very briefly, but like so cool, like so cool?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Did I was.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Trying to think of when when y'all did that, like
when Corey passed away and y'all because that was a lot,
like y'all filmed that around that, Yeah, because y'all have
a contract that you have to fulfill.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So what was the timeframe?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, so we just did this on the podcast.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Actually, so it was season It was between season four
and season five that he passed away in July. We
were supposed to start filming season five in the end
of July. Obviously that got postponed. We started August fifth, though,
Like he passed away in July thirteenth, I think it
(27:04):
was or July tenth, and we started August sixth, so
it wasn't that long. And so we did the first
two episodes that were already written. Have nothing to do
with him or his character it's not spoken of, and
then see the episode. The third episode of season five
was The Quarterback, which was Corey's episode where Finn also
(27:25):
passes away in the show. Now, Ryan's been on the
show before. He came on and did the first two
episodes with us of the podcast and said he probably
wouldn't have continued the show if it or really what
he said was like I wouldn't have done the episode
where we, you know, Finn passes away. We didn't really
(27:47):
want to do the show after that anyway, to be
completely honest, like nobody really wanted to be there during
that time.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
What season was that, season five? Yeah, yeah, right, Again
my memory it's like very skewed.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
And when Finn passes away on the show, we just recapped,
We just like passed that episode. We didn't recap that episode,
like Kevin and I didn't want to watch it at
all because it was literally us grieving Corey and they
were filming as graving Finn.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
It was awful.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
It was absolutely awful, And they gave us the option
to do it or not, like they said, not everybody
has to do this, like you don't have to be
a part of it, but everybody was doing it, and
Leo was doing it, and.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
You're like, well, if she can, if she can, I
can do it.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
And so we did it and it was literally awful.
I mean it was just the worst and so nobody
and then we took a two week break. The writers
had to just figure out what the rest of the
show is going to look like because the season six
and the end of the show is supposed to be
Finn and Rachel and like Ryan knew what was going
(28:59):
to happen and knew all like the things that were
going to pan out in that time, and so the
whole show had to be basically reworked.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And so you know, in two weeks they kind of
just veered off and we moved on and it's a
weird season. Yeah, so far. Well yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Mean when he says like he he wouldn't have done that,
like he wouldn't have had him like his character pass away,
I feel like, I guess when you're thinking about it, it
feels like the right thing to do because you're like
paying your respects and like to you know what.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
I mean, you do?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, is it just thought he was doing the right thing? Yeah,
I think everybody did. Yeah, but how else would you
do it?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I guess I.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Don't know, right, Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Almost like if it does, if it's something like I
don't even know. I don't even know.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
He was just the heartbeat of the show. He was
the show, the leader of our show, and so you
just go like, I don't know how we do this
without him, and we we modeled through, but I don't
know that we should have, right, Yeah. He was like
that was it, that should have been it?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Sadly, you know.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah, Well, I think in hindsight you can always look
back and go like, oh maybe I could have.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Or whatever should have done this.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Yeah, But in the moment, that's such a I mean,
it's like tragedy.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
It's how do you exactly you know, nobody going through that, yeah,
like nobody's in their right mind.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
And then you're doing it publicly with you know, millions
of people waiting to see what.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
You're going to do with it. It's a lot of pressure,
so much pressure. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
So, and I think Leah had a big part of
it also, was like I really want to get people
back together and do it. And she came back and
like just jumped back into the show, which was crazy, Like,
so I think that was also a big part of it.
If she had said, like I'm out, maybe things would
have been different.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, but I also think that's some some people cope
in that way right of being able to just like
dive in to work, you know whatever work it is,
just like dive in and kind of like have that
be like your coping mechanism?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Of the episodes that you remember being a part of.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Or during rewatching, have you had any where you're like
or like a memory that came back where you were like.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Dang, I wish I had gotten that song?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Oh yeah, I mean we just talked about this on
the show too. Kevin generally like if there was a
song on the script and his name wasn't in it,
or like you didn't see already singing on it, he
would like call them and be like can I sing
on this?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Really?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah? Like if he really felt.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Passionate love, because he was like a big Michael fan,
Michael Jackson fan, so like if there was a Michael song,
he'd be like, hey, you guys, come on.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
For me.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
It wasn't like I remember there were tribute episodes we did,
like we did Billy Joel. We just did that one,
and I'm from Long Island and so is Billy, so
like we I grew up with Billy, like that was
our pride and joy of like you.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Know, Billy came from Long Island.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
And I didn't sing a song in that episode or
a solo, and I was like so bitter about it
that I remember being I said to our producer Sam,
I said, I think this episode was really bad, and
then we rewatched and I was like, I'm so wrong.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I just hated the feeling.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
I felt during the episode of not getting to sing
a Billy's Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Did you ever reach out and say, like I want
to be a part.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Of that now?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I didn't. I just Tina was like my character was.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
We make jokes now because she was just like shut
on the whole time of the series. She has like
these shine moments and then she kind of like goes
to the background again, and so people always say like
she was just under underused and underappreciated, which is like.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I totally appreciate.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
And it became like a joke in the show as well,
that like Tina poor Tina, she didn't get a so
low and so it felt like very raw for me
during that time, that like, what's wrong with me? Why
am I not talented enough? Is my character not loved enough?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Like?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
What what can I do?
Speaker 6 (33:29):
And so I would speak up here and there, but
I just didn't feel like I had the legs to
say what I was really feeling.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
But it goes to show you it's the difference between
men and women. Men have no problem saying for what's
saying what they.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Want to because if you speak up, you're a bitch.
But a man speaks up and he's like if.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
You want to seeing something, They're like, oh, she's difficult.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's totally true. Yeah, and it was a
different time back then too.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
But even still, I feel like it probably still be
the same way.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, i'd be like, excuse me, maybe not too much trouble.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I would really love.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
To it's okay, worries just forget I said it?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, go back here now gross gross, I
see yourself being on like another show like Lee.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Again, what I don't think so it would.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Look There's people who I think have done multiple musical
theater shows like Alex Newall who did Glee and played
Unique and then he went on to do Zoey's Playlist
and like, you know, all these cool musical things. For me,
it's like I think I'm putting it to rest. I mean,
ask me in a few years, and it's like, I'll
say yes to a job for sure, but it wouldn't
(34:55):
be my first choice.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
What would be your first choice?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Oh, like a comedy, like a half hour comedy, like Friends.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Like Multi Caam, like Elementary.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I've seen it.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
I don't watch it religiously, but yes, like like Modern Family,
which was like our big rival. Were so different it
didn't even matter, but we were on at the same time.
We were up for all the same Awards's fun. Yeah,
every circle was like every party thing was just us
and them, and I just would have loved to be
(35:29):
on their show.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
We used to complain.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
We were like, we get like costco crafty because there's
so many of us and there's.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
So many crew members.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
We'd get like cheeseballs and like eggs for lunch, and
they were I heard they were getting like sushi and we're.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Like, what the family over there getting sushi for lunch
And we're like, can I just get like a salad
bar or something, maybe some like healthy choices.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
And then the news comes out of what they're making
per episode, you're like.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Like they still are fine, and they got syndicated and
they're good, and over here we're just like, please some
more cheese, please, Just kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
So what about Broadway though? Was there any would that be?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (36:20):
More than t like do you favor one or the other?
I love Broadway? Yeah, I love the stage. I would
love to go back and do it. It's hard, it's
like a totally different beast, like living in New York
doing eight shows a week, like depending on the season.
But I would definitely go back and do that over
another musical TV show, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I just feel like Glee completed that scratch that. Yeah,
And for musicals, like it's always so different and you're
telling the same story every night, and like that is
like such a challenge for me. And I just love
a live body and so I would definitely pick that.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
I'm so fascinated buy that headspace of loving a live audience.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Nothing sound scarier.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Could you do that where you could like pick up
and like move to New York.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
It'd be a lot, but if it was worth it,
and like if it was something that made sense for us,
for sure. My husband, luckily is like a normal person
with a normal job, and so he could he would
love that, like to reload work from Yeah, and you
know these days, like you can work from anywhere generally,
but with kids, it's different.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I guess like that you'd have to be like how
old are they? What school? How do you handle that?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah? Until a certain point though, I feel like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
You can just move them around? Yeah, fine, Yeah, they'd
be fine.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Speaking of y'all met on him?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
I know, Oh my god, which is Altonia met her fiance?
Speaker 8 (37:49):
Why?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah? Hinge man honestly sponsor us?
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Did you ask them?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Why am I not doing any endorsements for Hinge?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I told Sam? I was like, look where they don't
need a literally walking success story.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Yeah, they're popping.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So were you on Hinge for a long time?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Two days?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
She was so anti first first day?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Oh yeah, first Hine day.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
So were you just like, I'm okay, first of all,
what was your relationship?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
We met like in person?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
An you mean like what year did you meet in?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Twenty eighteen?
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, same year as the Americans. She just finished American.
I just finished it.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
We just started watching it a rewatch rewatch.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
So I just finished the series last night. I was like,
I know five years late to this, so got so
good unexpected ending. But anyways, that's not the point. The
point is I feel like Hinge was really popping off
twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
It was like, yeah, it was like the new thing. Yeah,
there was the League, there was Hinge. I was like
Bumble coffee meats big, it was all the new ones.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Yeah, what was the one where you the girl asked
the guy hated that one?
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Okay, bumble bumble, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I think so. So we met in twenty eighteen. I
was hesitant to join Hinge because.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
It wasn't that long after the show ended either, just
like throwing yourself on the internet and.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
You're like date me. And luckily he was like one
of the first people that I spoke to. We hit
it off. He thought he was being catfished, like briefly,
He's like I know this girl, like hopefully she shows up.
And so we met at Emily in West Hollywood and
I showed up. So he was like, Okay, it's her
(39:44):
and and never like the rest was history, that was it?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
What was it about him? Because I imagined that.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I also imagine you probably had a guard up because
you're in a position where you come from this massive
show and it's like.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Probably did men throwing them at you?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Oh, thank you for that. No, I did not have
men throwing my or maybe the wrong men. Yeah, men, yes, yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
There was definitely like options. But then at some point
it just was like, I'm not here for the Hollywood hookup,
Like I'm here for.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
To meet my husband.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
So when I joined Hinge, I moved back to LA
I was like, I'm here to meet my husband. And
we met up and he was just so honest and
we our conversation was so good and we just chatted
for hours and the date, like I told him, I
was like I turned into a pumpkin at ten, So
I'm going to go home after that, and then we
(40:38):
ended up like staying out way way after that, and
it was just one of those things You're like, I
really like this person.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I trust this person. He's very open.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
It was the first time that I was like, oh,
he's not an actor in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
That I'm meeting on Riyah, Like.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Yeah, there was something very refreshing about him that felt
different than the guys I had dated in my past
that were like not were actors, and I swore off them.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Really, yeah, what is it about it? Is it just
because the schedules are too crazy?
Speaker 6 (41:13):
No, I think it's this particular breed of mail like
you and I think it's a particular thing. And I
don't mean to generalize, like male actors, there's something very
specific that they I find need and want from people attention.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Mm hmmm, yeah, let's just name them. Who is it?
All of them?
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Now?
Speaker 6 (41:35):
I can see that, you know, And it just feels
like there's and then you're also just competing. It's like
a constant competition and also being like unemployed at the
same time somebody gets a job.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
It just feels too close.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
I had some of that, like in the actors I
dated in the past, where like somebody was working more,
and especially like when I was on Glee. It's just
like it's it's a level of success that like some
people never reach in their whole lives that I'm so
lucky to have, right, And I didn't want to feel
bad about it, you know, And so I just I
(42:16):
didn't want to feel that like that in the future either,
Like and you like.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
You had to make yourself smaller.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like being a woman and you
know you're like, I just want to be who I
am and be able.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
To reach my highest potential.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
And he he just supported that from the very beginning,
and I even told him like at that point, I
was like, I think I want to take a break
from acting for a while. I don't really know what
I want to do. And he was like, great, do
whatever you want to do. And I was like, that's
a good sign.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Do you know what I mean? It's not like you're
at the heid of your career. What do you do? Eat?
Speaker 9 (42:48):
Right?
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Get that in there.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
He's like, whatever you want to do will make you happy, Like,
that's what makes me happy.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
What is that decision like though, to go from being
like on a show like Glee and then being like
I want to take a break from this whole world.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
Yeah, it's really hard because walking away from the thing
that made you who you or put you in that
position with those kind of opportunities feels like counterintuitives in
some ways. But there was a lot of time after
Glee where we all thought like, oh, strike while the
iron's hot. We're all gonna be like we're never gonna
(43:25):
have to audition again, and our lives are and careers
are made. And there was like a rude wake up
call when like nobody wanted us at all. And I
think there was like a moment of oversaturation from Glee
where they could only see us as those characters and
those people. So every time I walked into an audition
room after that, it was like, I can't un see
what we've been seeing for the past six years, every
(43:46):
day and every billboard, every bus, every you know, in
our living rooms. And it was like it was really
a rude wake up call but allowed me to find
so many other things that I love and like do
a lot of self work to detach from my worth
being attached to this show, my work, being attached to
fame and my career.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
So I'm like so grateful for it, but.
Speaker 6 (44:13):
I think with that work came like this detachment from
like what actually makes me happy and what can I
find in my own worth versus like this job, the
next job that I'm chasing. And so when I realized
that I could feel worthy without that I was like, Oh,
maybe I don't need to do this all the time
because it's so ruling and you're at the mercy of
(44:35):
so many other people. And after doing it for six years,
you're like, I just need like a break, like make
my own schedule and go out to dinner with my
husband and like have a kid and not have to
move to Atlanta for six you know, six months.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Like it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I feel like in this industry, like in Hollywood, like
the highs are so high and the lows can be
so low, like and I feel like it's not really
you know, we see lot of drugs and things like
that in the entertainment industry, but it's like I think
it's because nobody talks about like the highs and how
high you can get.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
And then when it goes away.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
And like when you're alone and you're home, like how
low that low feels, you know, when you're on this
this like hamster hamster wheel and then you get off
of it, like it's a it's very very, very jarring.
And I feel like to have the self awareness too,
like in that moment for you to to pull yourself
out of that is like a testament to to who
you are, because I feel like it's really really hard
(45:32):
because you kind of just want.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
To keep chasing the high. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
I mean I had my fair share of like chasing
the high and like wanting that and wanting to be
relevant and staying in it. And then like when you
actually do like get off of the hamster wheel and
stab back, you're like, WHOA, that's not normal.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
It's not normal at all. Yeah, and like how do
you You can't sustain that, that's the truth. So if
you're always chasing the high, that's that's where you get
in trouble.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yeah yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Yeah crazy, And I I think to be able to
go like okay, I'm putting my worth into like going
to auditions and people being like you're not it over
and over again. It is like such a it's just
not grueling a normal way for our brains to be
able to process who we are as a person because
they're basically being just told no to reject it over yeah, rejection,
(46:20):
and we're not created to like now it's we're also
like it's so interesting becoming a parent, Like you you realize.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
The amount of learning you do and teaching you have
to do, right and so like we're learning all about
like extrinsic like reward. Everything is like here, have a
lollipop if you do something good. Here, let me praise
you when you've put this painting on the wall, and
you're like this is crazy, Like where do you find
the worth inside? Where do you find the pride of yourself?
(46:51):
Versus like I'm so proud of you, like teaching a
kid to go, Like you should be so proud of yourself,
you should be so happy saying I mean I don't
say I say that to my daughter all the time,
and I'm like, oh, you're great, Like of course I do,
but to have them find it within themselves versus always
(47:12):
searching for the external reward.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
But how do you do that?
Speaker 6 (47:16):
By like it starts, I mean obviously she's two and
a half, so I've only started the journey of this,
but like it's like not always praising them for things
that they do, but like having them feel accomplished in
their own right. So you say, like you should be
so proud of yourself versus I'm so proud of you
on you know, in alternating time, like you did that,
(47:40):
you did that yourself, not like I'm so proud of that.
You you know, you're you did so great. It's simple
and it's so but it's so powerful and it's like
for us, we always look for that. You're like when
the next click, the next, like the next, it's like
our whole world is society is like built on that now. Yeah,
(48:02):
and you're like, how do I how do I make
that change that for them?
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Yeah? Or at least lay the foundation for that. Yeah,
how do you do it? At thirty six years old?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
How do we?
Speaker 3 (48:14):
You should be so proud of yourself. She's like getting
bed at night, it's so proudic.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
You know, you should be so proud of yourself.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, but yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
But I know it's like, how do that?
Speaker 8 (48:27):
Is such a It's like it's like reframing it, Yeah,
reframing how you are seeing you're saying the word and
feeling feeling that internally.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Oh yeah, it's impactful.
Speaker 6 (48:39):
But it's true though, like so like it's just constantly
in our business in this industry, constantly seeking everybody's approval.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Is the movie good? Did I do a good job?
Do I look pretty?
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Am I the box of this?
Speaker 3 (48:54):
For you to hire me?
Speaker 6 (48:56):
It's like where's the internal worthing from then, versus like
figuring it out and being like, I know that I
have something to offer, and if it's not, if I'm
not the role and this isn't for me, I know
that somebody else will value me somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
It's so hard.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
It's so hard. I hate this business.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Speaking of hating the business, After you have your baby,
what do you.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
What do you plan on doing?
Speaker 6 (49:41):
It's a good question.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (49:45):
I feel like my whole identity is shifted in my daughter,
and so after this baby, like who knows. I think
I have to like figure out my footing with two children. Luckily,
I've been able to like sustain financially on like little
jobs here and there, and you know, social media, which
has been like a really sadly great.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Thing for you know, all of us.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
I don't think it's at all.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, it is the way of the world.
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Yeah, I wish I could be on it a little
bit less, but like it is part of the job.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Right, Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, it's also like if you think it's just a
different extension of like if you've got a commercial.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
On tabizing exactly.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
You got it on your own page.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
I know I'm better. We're just like so oversaturated now,
oh yeah, and it's just like you're scrolling it and
seeing it twenty four to seven. Yeah, but yes, it
is the medium. It is the way to evolve. It's
how we have to do it right. But I don't know.
I mean, maybe i'd get back into acting.
Speaker 6 (50:41):
I think I would have different a different perspective, and
I think I would be pickier in terms of like
what I take and.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
What jobs I want to even.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
Audition for this way, just because I can also see
now like I've sustained without it for so long, Like
I haven't worked as an actor in quite a bit
of time, and it's kind of nice. So I don't know.
I think I want to like dip my toes in
directing and producing and just being able to like in
(51:15):
jobs that fulfill me but also allowed me to like
kind of make my own schedule or have more control
over it.
Speaker 5 (51:20):
Yeah, have y'all come up? Have y'all solidified a name
for the baby we have? What's the process of coming?
Speaker 8 (51:28):
Is it?
Speaker 10 (51:28):
Was?
Speaker 3 (51:29):
It?
Speaker 8 (51:29):
Like?
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Oh yeah, no, it's hard.
Speaker 6 (51:31):
So with Emma, my first, our first kid, she was
pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
You know, you find out pretty early on now, like
what the the sex of the baby is, and so
we were thrilled.
Speaker 6 (51:43):
We had a handful of girl names. This one like
felt to us like it meant universe.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
It means universal and whole, and so we felt like
she was like completing a part of our family. So
that's why we wanted to choose that name.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
I didn't know the Emma meant that, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
It has a lot of names.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
I mean, you live on no Well, which is my
middle name. So I was like, she gets you know,
her father's last name. So yes, this one was much harder,
and I don't know why, it just was harder.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
I think we also we didn't know.
Speaker 6 (52:26):
We were like, we didn't we weren't positive were gonna
have a second kid. We thought like, oh, let's start
with the first one and see. So like it wasn't
even in our minds, but we had a couple of
names and we landed. We landed on the one we
landed on. Also, it actually has like nothing to do
with the meaning at all. It was just that we
like like.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
The name and could agree on it, like that's where
we got.
Speaker 6 (52:53):
But we love this name, so like now it feels
right and after using it for a while, but it
wasn't like, oh, this means a whole so it's going
to be.
Speaker 5 (53:01):
Like like why did you need this?
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Like we liked it, it was good enough, sounds good
with the last name. Yeah right, we couldn't agree on
anything else. So here you are. No, it's it's good.
Speaker 6 (53:20):
But yes, we do have a name, and we we
didn't share the first one.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
We're not sharing the second one.
Speaker 6 (53:25):
Like a lot of people just like throw out names
who are pregnant and just like talk about the names
that they really Yeah, I find that's very common these days.
And we found that like, once we landed on them,
we didn't want other people's opinions because we didn't want
to be swayed.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
Yea.
Speaker 6 (53:43):
And so you're like, you don't You don't realize until
you're looking at baby names how many people like from
your past you.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Don't like, Yeah, no, I get that.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
You're like, well, I knew a person like that in school,
do you know what I mean? Middle school? By bye,
you really can't do that one. No, it reminds me
of that person. Yeah, so we.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
Yeah, that's that's kind of the name game. But there's
an app also that you can use that's like a
dating app where you swipe left for all names. Yes,
and you'll swipe and swipe and swipe, and it's connected
with your partner. So if you have a match it,
I'll tell you you mad.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
That is what is the name of this app?
Speaker 3 (54:26):
I think it's called baby Names, but I like that.
Speaker 9 (54:29):
Yeah, they got really creative with that name.
Speaker 6 (54:34):
The names on that app that are crazy. Oh, like
I can't I can't even remember now. It was like
there's every name from like it's biblical, it's historical, it's
there's like the most popular and it's just really like
I think there was one that was like Stone, and
(54:56):
I'm like, I actually kind of like that name, but
it's crazy, like we would never a name and that
we're just not those people.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Stone.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
It's strong.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
It is kind of strong, a pretty strong example.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
Yeah, I keep that in my pocket.
Speaker 8 (55:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (55:10):
It's when they're like starting, well, thank you for coming
out of the house, getting out of the house and
coming into the studio chat with us.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
We're so excited for you.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
I just like I have it's so crazy, Like I
have these moments doing.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
The podcast where I get to sit across from people.
Speaker 5 (55:37):
That like I was just it's just so crazy. I
think back to myself moving from Louisiana to San Diego
and Glee being the show that my me and my
sister and brother in law watched when I didn't have
any friends, and it was like I was it was
just so so it's it's really amazing getting to do this,
and I've been a fan of you for so long,
so thank you for coming.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
I feel like forever. I also feel like I just
like know you.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a bit of you guys.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Friends, Oh my god. You know, it's good when you
have mutual friends.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
It's always good when the mutual friends are there.
Speaker 8 (56:13):
And I watched you on your show, I know, but
then and then we knew each other through Cammy.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Kimmy knows everybody connect mood who's her sisters Mary.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
Mary Miller very well. But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Immy is great.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
You love you, love you.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
Yeah, she's good to good people. But we'll do this again.
Love too. When you're like, when you're like I.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
Need someone to take the kids and I need to
go do something, I'm gonna come to the girls to you.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
Oh great, I'll come to you guys. Okay, it's anyway.
She's nice, Bradley, get out of the house.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
We'll bring Italian subs. Oh eat next time.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Well, your favorite thing is to have drinks with our guests,
and you're pregnantly so you cannot.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
And then our last guest was nineteen, so she could
not protestant.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
It's her new favorite thing. We literally did it once.
It's her new.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
Favorite thing that we have not one time in the
same way that, like, is this the tradition? Now right,
you've done it once? What's your birthday? April aries tourists?
Speaker 9 (57:22):
Okay, so we did this bit where Tania really feels
like she's in the know of like zodiac zodiac sense, yes,
and she will try and guess and she never like
it's like she goes through like the list close.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
Second all it makes so much sense of that, your tourist.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Oh my god, it always makes sense after Okay, what's
your way?
Speaker 4 (57:49):
Is your husband Leo?
Speaker 5 (57:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (57:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (57:52):
Is your husband a cancer?
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (57:53):
Yes, see yes, I have a lot of cancers in
my life.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yeah, but like a lot of.
Speaker 4 (57:59):
Them a toy and a cancer. So you are destined
for greatness.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (58:05):
You heard it here for I had six years later.
Speaker 6 (58:09):
On the podcast the other day, and I felt like
the same that you had said.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
It's like if like you told me.
Speaker 6 (58:15):
Yeah, that's crazy twenty years ago, said I would be
sitting like talking to Jcase like he called me by
my first name.
Speaker 3 (58:23):
You're crazy.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
Are they going on tour?
Speaker 3 (58:26):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (58:28):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Just the one off when it was so nice. It
would have we would have loved that.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
I feel like they had stuff in the works and
then the yeah, into a different direction.
Speaker 4 (58:41):
But I'm giving up hope.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
I feel like you can never give up hope.
Speaker 5 (58:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
I feel like they just tabled the conversation for now,
let the let.
Speaker 4 (58:48):
The dust set all.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
Yeah, and then we'll see visit.
Speaker 4 (58:50):
In twenty We'll circle back, circle back. Yeah. Where can
everybody follow you? Listen to the podcast all the things?
Speaker 6 (58:56):
Yes, so we're on I heard as well, where and
that's what you really missed podcas past and you can
follow me on Instagram and TikTok and uh that's pretty
much the two that I'm on is Jenna Schwitz, Easy peasy.
Speaker 3 (59:09):
We love you so much, love you, thank you, thank you.
That's so fun.
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