March 3, 2025 • 8 mins
This may have been the deepest, most honest artist conversation we've ever had. Jelly Roll is in a different place then he's ever been before mentally and physically. Whats he shared with us about wherte he's been, how he's feeling and what his music may sound like moving forward, may bring you to tears.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been a minute, but we are back at it.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What's up to tell you? What's O one?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
What? What? What?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
That's cool?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I want to tell you the first time we ever
talked about Hey, this guy especially, it's got some great music.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
You are setting the world on fire.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
It feels weird. I still can't believe it. It's been
It's funny. I was thinking about this today. It's my
seventh number one and.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I've won.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I couldn't believe when we got one, but to sit
around at seven and it still feels like it's just happened.
Like I'm in the middle of Like I did the
conversation with Eric Church for CRS week, and I'm still
talking to everybody who will listen about me hanging out
with Eric Church.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's just crazy, which is weird because that's you're to
the point that where there's a lot of big names.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, well I don't have a phone no more. But yeah,
for sure, it's awesome. Not having a phone is the
best thing that's ever happened to me. Dude, it's so good.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Let me ask you, because you are a guy who
has always been a mental health wise out loud and.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We've seen you where you've been overwhelmed.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
As a matter of fact, we've talked before, like there
was a time where even came to the studio and
you couldn't even I mean, you did the interview, but
it was like, oh, I'm getting a text too.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh I got hanged, and you know what I mean,
like you're having to do all of this that once. Yeah,
you're I can see any right now, You're so clear.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
No, it's dude, I wish i'd have known I had
this kind of clarity.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
You should have told me this when you used to
be fat, But you tell me when I wasn't fat anymore.
I'd start thinking, right, there was something called fat fog,
you know. And I was trying to juggle the phone
and all these different things and relationships and friendships and
family and business and all these things. It was just
it became so much that I was like, man, I
just the easiest way for me to find peace was
(01:49):
I went phoneless. I came home, I spent six weeks
with the family and didn't talk to anybody, Like I
just hung out of the farm every day with the family,
and it was like so good for my soul and
then I left again this year, down one hundred and
something pounds from last year, with a different sense of
clarity and excitement about what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm excited, dude.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I was too fat to I was always joyful, but
I wasn't excited. I was too fat to be excited.
Took too much energy to actually be excited. Where I'm
just now getting skinny enough to start being excited.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Let me say, we want more farm content.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Dude, My wife listened about Bunny. Don't see this, Wayne.
If she sees this and like we need less farm content,
this woman is by she well listen. I left for
a month. I came home. We had three new pigs
and a whole new donkey. You know what I'm saying.
In thirty days, she had already collected four more animals.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know what I'm saying. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
How the take care of a pig.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't know anything about pigs. So I go to
feed the pigs.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
If so was cold then, and I said, we got
to bring the pigs in, so the pigs come in
into the house. No, we brought the pigs into the house. No, listen,
this is a thing, man. You don't know what I'm
going through at home, y'all. It's a barnyard everywhere. My
wife trying to bring a cow in the other day. Literally,
she found cow diapers, and my wife convinced me that
she could put a cow diaper on this cow. I'm
not making this up, and then we could bring the
(03:09):
cow in to hang out in the afternoon. I was like, Bunny,
this isn't a that's a bull. It's a small bull,
but it's a horned bull. You know what I'm saying.
We're not bringing a bull into our living room. This
is crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It is unreal.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I go to feed a pig vicious little things, by
the way, I mean, dude, that thing almost took my
hand off. I tried to give an animal cracker a
little bit of pigs. They're gonna be big pigs. That's
another thing too. She thought, She's like, they're gonna be little.
I was like, not forever. Those are pig They're gonna
be huge. We do have little donkeys, though our donkeys
are I couldn't believe that donkey was standing up way
(03:41):
that talk. That donkey's as tall as this table. I'm
not making this up, dude. For the sake of the horse.
I need to lose another hundred you know what I'm saying,
for the sake of the horse, or I need one
of them Budweiser, Clydesdale's.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Phone throwing into the river incident. Right, you have lost weight.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You have slowed your life down because a lot of
people don't get when you're an artist.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You got to burn both can burn the end of
what am.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I trying to say, but burn both into the can events.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Do not have a choice if you want to be successful.
You did that harder than most.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right, you were probably out of candle by the time
you realized it. Where you mentally now great? And what
was the breaking point? Like a if something don't change,
some think be good.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I knew that I couldn't carry the workload and the
weight it was that easy. I knew it was gonna
kill me. I wasn't gonna live to be Nobody lives
in their fifties at that weight anyway. That was five
hundred and fifty pounds, So I knew that was big.
And then also it was like I started changing my
relationship with everything. I was addicted to food the same
way I was addicted to cocaine. I was addicted to
my phone the same way I was addicted to food.
(04:56):
You know what I mean. I realized that how I
did anything is how I did everything. And when that
hit me, I said, I gotta re This is a
core reset.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I went to on site. I met with some mental therapists.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I understood more about the functioning of the mind, why
I was thinking the way I was thinking, started putting
together plans to change the way I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I had to.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I'm slowly still in the early processes of just completely
changing my thinking habits. I don't know about y'all, but
my inner monologue sucks. Sometimes there are sometimes I listen
to it and I'm like, who's programming this.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Radio station right now? This is horrible?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
You know what I'm saying, Like this is bad, and
that's me talking to me. That's what Liar's about, right,
not to parallel to the single, but you know what
I mean, that is that's what Liar was. Anyways, Liar
was about that of being like fighting against my own
inner monologue.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
What does that do for you? And I'm cliff noting
the interview because I know we're tight on time. Where
you're at mentally now, right when we first heard your music.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
You were a different guy in a different place.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You started to see success, started to see number one
different places.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
What is it doing for you? Now? Were the best
place you've been as long as we've known for you?
What is it doing for you creatively when its right?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, and actually put music together. Let's think about it
this way. Let's think save me.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The last word you heard on save Me before the
ooh was life has shattered my hopes and my dreams
just between save Me and twenty twenty and I'm not okay,
but we're all gonna be all right. There starts to
be a little hope and then, liar, you start to
hear me now standing up against that voice that helped
me down for so long. Like I hadn't talked about
(06:38):
this yet, but I gotta feel that my next album
is going to be dramatically different, like sonically, subject wise,
like I think it's going to be a complete left
turn on jelly Row. You know, because my heart's so different,
you can you can hear it in the music. I've
been fighting this demon for so long that you're starting
to see me start to win. It's like watching Rocky
You've been watching me get my ass kicked for nine rounds,
(06:59):
and all the sudden it's like, hold on.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You know what I'm saying. So yeah, yeah, that's what it's.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That's how it feels every time I run down my
steps right now, listen, I know we got a rap.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We talked about this being another number one song.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Every song feels like it's special to you, Especially the
radio singles feel like they're telling a story of who
you are.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
This one ringing that bell as well? Does it mean
more than the others?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Man?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I think this one means first of all, everyone, every
time you get another one, it means more than the
others because your best song is your most recent one.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Man, there's no greater feeling as an artist.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I don't know how many artists are afraid to tell
you that that straight up, but there's nothing cooler than
ending your set with a newer song.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It's nothing feels more like I am on the right
path right now. But also, man, I love that my journey,
especially on radio, which has been my biggest dream songs too.
Radio speaks directly to my streaming audience. Obviously, radio where
it broke me, I got broke here. It speaks to
my story, and I think that it's just you know,
I think it's more of us showing that jelly roll
(08:08):
story like this one means a lot because it's empowering.
That's what means a lot is that we're like actively together. Now,
we've actively stood together and held each other and cried
together and coombed and swayed side to side, and now
we're shaking our fist at the powers to be you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's what's cool about this song.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I love you, Bob, Thanks for coming over here, dude,
you want to hear The worst part about this is
that I'm going to be right by y'all in five minutes.
So stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I wish I had to know. I would have it
this backwards.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yes,
It's been a minute, but we are back at it.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What's up to tell you? What's O one?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
What? What? What?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
That's cool?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I want to tell you the first time we ever
talked about Hey, this guy especially, it's got some great music.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
You are setting the world on fire.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
It feels weird. I still can't believe it. It's been
It's funny. I was thinking about this today. It's my
seventh number one and.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I've won.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I couldn't believe when we got one, but to sit
around at seven and it still feels like it's just happened.
Like I'm in the middle of Like I did the
conversation with Eric Church for CRS week, and I'm still
talking to everybody who will listen about me hanging out
with Eric Church.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's just crazy, which is weird because that's you're to
the point that where there's a lot of big names.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, well I don't have a phone no more. But yeah,
for sure, it's awesome. Not having a phone is the
best thing that's ever happened to me. Dude, it's so good.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Let me ask you, because you are a guy who
has always been a mental health wise out loud and.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We've seen you where you've been overwhelmed.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
As a matter of fact, we've talked before, like there
was a time where even came to the studio and
you couldn't even I mean, you did the interview, but
it was like, oh, I'm getting a text too.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh I got hanged, and you know what I mean,
like you're having to do all of this that once. Yeah,
you're I can see any right now, You're so clear.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
No, it's dude, I wish i'd have known I had
this kind of clarity.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
You should have told me this when you used to
be fat, But you tell me when I wasn't fat anymore.
I'd start thinking, right, there was something called fat fog,
you know. And I was trying to juggle the phone
and all these different things and relationships and friendships and
family and business and all these things. It was just
it became so much that I was like, man, I
just the easiest way for me to find peace was
(01:49):
I went phoneless. I came home, I spent six weeks
with the family and didn't talk to anybody, Like I
just hung out of the farm every day with the family,
and it was like so good for my soul and
then I left again this year, down one hundred and
something pounds from last year, with a different sense of
clarity and excitement about what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm excited, dude.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I was too fat to I was always joyful, but
I wasn't excited. I was too fat to be excited.
Took too much energy to actually be excited. Where I'm
just now getting skinny enough to start being excited.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Let me say, we want more farm content.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Dude, My wife listened about Bunny. Don't see this, Wayne.
If she sees this and like we need less farm content,
this woman is by she well listen. I left for
a month. I came home. We had three new pigs
and a whole new donkey. You know what I'm saying.
In thirty days, she had already collected four more animals.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know what I'm saying. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
How the take care of a pig.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't know anything about pigs. So I go to
feed the pigs.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
If so was cold then, and I said, we got
to bring the pigs in, so the pigs come in
into the house. No, we brought the pigs into the house. No, listen,
this is a thing, man. You don't know what I'm
going through at home, y'all. It's a barnyard everywhere. My
wife trying to bring a cow in the other day. Literally,
she found cow diapers, and my wife convinced me that
she could put a cow diaper on this cow. I'm
not making this up, and then we could bring the
(03:09):
cow in to hang out in the afternoon. I was like, Bunny,
this isn't a that's a bull. It's a small bull,
but it's a horned bull. You know what I'm saying.
We're not bringing a bull into our living room. This
is crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It is unreal.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I go to feed a pig vicious little things, by
the way, I mean, dude, that thing almost took my
hand off. I tried to give an animal cracker a
little bit of pigs. They're gonna be big pigs. That's
another thing too. She thought, She's like, they're gonna be little.
I was like, not forever. Those are pig They're gonna
be huge. We do have little donkeys, though our donkeys
are I couldn't believe that donkey was standing up way
(03:41):
that talk. That donkey's as tall as this table. I'm
not making this up, dude. For the sake of the horse.
I need to lose another hundred you know what I'm saying,
for the sake of the horse, or I need one
of them Budweiser, Clydesdale's.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Phone throwing into the river incident. Right, you have lost weight.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You have slowed your life down because a lot of
people don't get when you're an artist.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You got to burn both can burn the end of
what am.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I trying to say, but burn both into the can events.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Do not have a choice if you want to be successful.
You did that harder than most.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right, you were probably out of candle by the time
you realized it. Where you mentally now great? And what
was the breaking point? Like a if something don't change,
some think be good.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I knew that I couldn't carry the workload and the
weight it was that easy. I knew it was gonna
kill me. I wasn't gonna live to be Nobody lives
in their fifties at that weight anyway. That was five
hundred and fifty pounds, So I knew that was big.
And then also it was like I started changing my
relationship with everything. I was addicted to food the same
way I was addicted to cocaine. I was addicted to
my phone the same way I was addicted to food.
(04:56):
You know what I mean. I realized that how I
did anything is how I did everything. And when that
hit me, I said, I gotta re This is a
core reset.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I went to on site. I met with some mental therapists.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I understood more about the functioning of the mind, why
I was thinking the way I was thinking, started putting
together plans to change the way I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I had to.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I'm slowly still in the early processes of just completely
changing my thinking habits. I don't know about y'all, but
my inner monologue sucks. Sometimes there are sometimes I listen
to it and I'm like, who's programming this.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Radio station right now? This is horrible?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
You know what I'm saying, Like this is bad, and
that's me talking to me. That's what Liar's about, right,
not to parallel to the single, but you know what
I mean, that is that's what Liar was. Anyways, Liar
was about that of being like fighting against my own
inner monologue.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
What does that do for you? And I'm cliff noting
the interview because I know we're tight on time. Where
you're at mentally now, right when we first heard your music.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
You were a different guy in a different place.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You started to see success, started to see number one
different places.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
What is it doing for you? Now? Were the best
place you've been as long as we've known for you?
What is it doing for you creatively when its right?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, and actually put music together. Let's think about it
this way. Let's think save me.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The last word you heard on save Me before the
ooh was life has shattered my hopes and my dreams
just between save Me and twenty twenty and I'm not okay,
but we're all gonna be all right. There starts to
be a little hope and then, liar, you start to
hear me now standing up against that voice that helped
me down for so long. Like I hadn't talked about
(06:38):
this yet, but I gotta feel that my next album
is going to be dramatically different, like sonically, subject wise,
like I think it's going to be a complete left
turn on jelly Row. You know, because my heart's so different,
you can you can hear it in the music. I've
been fighting this demon for so long that you're starting
to see me start to win. It's like watching Rocky
You've been watching me get my ass kicked for nine rounds,
(06:59):
and all the sudden it's like, hold on.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You know what I'm saying. So yeah, yeah, that's what it's.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That's how it feels every time I run down my
steps right now, listen, I know we got a rap.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We talked about this being another number one song.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Every song feels like it's special to you, Especially the
radio singles feel like they're telling a story of who
you are.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
This one ringing that bell as well? Does it mean
more than the others?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Man?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I think this one means first of all, everyone, every
time you get another one, it means more than the
others because your best song is your most recent one.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Man, there's no greater feeling as an artist.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I don't know how many artists are afraid to tell
you that that straight up, but there's nothing cooler than
ending your set with a newer song.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It's nothing feels more like I am on the right
path right now. But also, man, I love that my journey,
especially on radio, which has been my biggest dream songs too.
Radio speaks directly to my streaming audience. Obviously, radio where
it broke me, I got broke here. It speaks to
my story, and I think that it's just you know,
I think it's more of us showing that jelly roll
(08:08):
story like this one means a lot because it's empowering.
That's what means a lot is that we're like actively together. Now,
we've actively stood together and held each other and cried
together and coombed and swayed side to side, and now
we're shaking our fist at the powers to be you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's what's cool about this song.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I love you, Bob, Thanks for coming over here, dude,
you want to hear The worst part about this is
that I'm going to be right by y'all in five minutes.
So stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I wish I had to know. I would have it
this backwards.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yes,
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