Thomas E. Levy, MD, JD - Crohn's Disease and Vitamin C Deficiency

We welcome Dr. Thomas E. Levy back for the podcast to discuss the fascinating connection between vitamin C deficiency and disease. Dr. Levy is a board-certified cardiologist and a bar-certified attorney. After practicing adult cardiology for 15 years, he began to research the enormous toxicity associated with much dental work, as well as the pronounced ability of properly administered vitamin C to neutralize this toxicity. He has now written 13 books, including Hidden Epidemic and most recently Rapid Virus Recovery, with several addressing the wide-ranging properties of vitamin C in neutralizing all toxins and resolving most infections, as well as its vital role in the effective treatment of heart disease and cancer. Recently inducted into the Orthomolecular Medicine Hall of Fame, Dr. Levy continues to research the impact of the orthomolecular application of vitamin C and antioxidants in general on chronic degenerative diseases.  To learn more about today’s amazing guest please visit tomlevymd.com.

Episode Transcript

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[Bernadette]positive while we educate you about our topic
[Bernadette]today, which is Crohn's disease and vitamin c
[Bernadette]deficiency with doctor Thomas e Levy. He is
[Bernadette]board certified he is a board certified cardiologist
[Bernadette]and bar certified attorney. After practicing adult cardiology
[Bernadette]for fifteen years, he began to research enormous

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[Bernadette]toxicity associated with much dental work as well
[Bernadette]as the pronounced ability of properly administered vitamin
[Bernadette]c to neutralize this toxicity. He He has
[Bernadette]now written thirteen books including Hidden Epidemic and
[Bernadette]most recently Rapid Virus Recovery with several vital
[Bernadette]role in the effective vital role in the

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[Bernadette]effective treatment of heart disease and cancer. Recently
[Bernadette]inducted into the Orthomolecular Medicine Hall of Fame,
[Bernadette]doctor Levy continues to research the impact of
[Bernadette]the orthomolecular application of vitamin c and antioxidants
[Bernadette]in general on chronic degenerative diseases. You can
[Bernadette]find doctor Levy at Tom Levy MD dot

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[Bernadette]com. That's Tom Levy m d dot com.
[Bernadette]Doctor Levy, welcome back to OneLife Radio. Such
[Bernadette]a pleasure.
[Dr. Levy]Thank you. Always glad to be come by.
[Bernadette]Yeah. Yeah. You know, and this topic really
[Bernadette]fascinates me. And the more I dug, the
[Bernadette]more interesting it became. So like I said,
[Bernadette]welcome back to the podcast, and it's always

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[Bernadette]really such a pleasure to have you with
[Bernadette]us. And I know that we have a
[Bernadette]lot of regular listeners that are very anxious
[Bernadette]to hear this podcast when we when we
[Bernadette]drop it. Is that the term you use
[Bernadette]now?
[Marie]You you can.
[Bernadette]Or does that only apply to music? But,
[Bernadette]today, we're talking about the correlation between Crohn's
[Bernadette]disease and vitamin c deficiency. As one, if

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[Bernadette]not the leading expert in vitamin c therapy,
[Bernadette]doctor Levy, will you tell our listeners a
[Bernadette]little bit about your history studying vitamin c?
[Dr. Levy]Well, I guess I was just a regular
[Dr. Levy]cardiologist until thirty years ago. And I met
[Dr. Levy]doctor Hal Huggins in Colorado Springs, Colorado, who
[Dr. Levy]probably is the first biological dentist. And he

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[Dr. Levy]invited me to his clinic to see what
[Dr. Levy]was going on there, and I didn't know
[Dr. Levy]anything about vitamin c, dental toxicity, none of
[Dr. Levy]that. And after going to the clinic, just
[Dr. Levy]a time or two, I was stunned by
[Dr. Levy]what I saw. And I saw in particular
[Dr. Levy]one very ill patient, in a wheelchair get
[Dr. Levy]a ton of dental work over several hours,

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[Dr. Levy]and she got more animated and stronger as
[Dr. Levy]the as everything went on. And I said,
[Dr. Levy]wow. This doesn't fit. And Hal told me,
[Dr. Levy]well, we're giving her fifty grams of vitamin
[Dr. Levy]c before, during, and after the procedure. And
[Dr. Levy]I have no idea what that meant, but
[Dr. Levy]I as I like to say, I'm not
[Dr. Levy]in the habit of denying what I've witnessed,

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[Dr. Levy]and that immediately really changed my life. I
[Dr. Levy]said I need to dig into this, find
[Dr. Levy]out what's going on, and that began my
[Dr. Levy]four years of research for the first significant
[Dr. Levy]book, Curing the Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and
[Dr. Levy]Toxins. And pretty much since then, it's just
[Dr. Levy]been a continuation of that, an evolution of

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[Dr. Levy]that, building up the body of knowledge. Doctor
[Dr. Levy]Huggins unfortunately passed about ten years ago, but
[Dr. Levy]I'm trying to do my best to keep
[Dr. Levy]up the significance of his work, which is
[Dr. Levy]enormous.
[Bernadette]Mhmm. It is enormous. And you you mentioned
[Bernadette]the book curing the incurable. Let's talk for
[Bernadette]a second about all the different diseases that

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[Bernadette]vitamin c can cure that people really are
[Bernadette]unaware of, including AIDS. Right?
[Dr. Levy]Yeah. The thing to remember of item c
[Dr. Levy]is it could be very curative, if you
[Dr. Levy]will, for many infectious diseases, and many toxins.
[Dr. Levy]Okay? For the rest of the diseases, vitamin

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[Dr. Levy]c will always reliably help them depending on
[Dr. Levy]how severe it is, maybe or maybe not
[Dr. Levy]cure them, but always help them. And this
[Dr. Levy]is because quite simply, one hundred percent of
[Dr. Levy]chronic diseases, and I mean that one hundred
[Dr. Levy]percent are due to what's called increased oxidative
[Dr. Levy]stress, which means there increased numbers of biomolecules,

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[Dr. Levy]RNA, DNA, protein, sugars, fats, enzymes, inside the
[Dr. Levy]cell that are oxidized or in an electron
[Dr. Levy]depleted state. And when they're in an electron
[Dr. Levy]depleted state, they don't work. Mhmm. So the
[Dr. Levy]more you have oxidation, the less of the
[Dr. Levy]normal biomolecules are present, and that, in fact,
[Dr. Levy]is the disease. The oxidation doesn't lead to

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[Dr. Levy]a disease, it is the disease. And so
[Dr. Levy]the factors that cause oxidation, which are always
[Dr. Levy]toxins, toxins are pro oxidant, they take electrons
[Dr. Levy]away, they oxidize biomolecules, and then you bring
[Dr. Levy]on the antioxidants led by vitamin C, which
[Dr. Levy]are always capable of optimally distributing electrons and

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[Dr. Levy]bringing electrons back to electron depleted, molecules, restoring
[Dr. Levy]them to normal. And in essence, it's sounds
[Dr. Levy]like it's oversimplification, but it's not really. All
[Dr. Levy]your disease is an ongoing balance, or shall
[Dr. Levy]we say, imbalance between how many new toxins
[Dr. Levy]you have coming into your body and how

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[Dr. Levy]much antioxidant protection you could bring in.
[Bernadette]It's also interesting. It really is. And so,
[Bernadette]you know, I was drawn to our topic
[Bernadette]today as I told you before we went
[Bernadette]live because of an article I read about
[Bernadette]the correlation between vitamin c deficiency and Crohn's
[Bernadette]disease. And I have a nephew who has
[Bernadette]suffered with Crohn's disease for over ten years.
[Bernadette]And, you know, when he tells me what
[Bernadette]he goes through with this disease, it's really

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[Bernadette]heartbreaking. And, he's a single dad with four
[Bernadette]boys. And this Crohn's disease has really impacted
[Bernadette]his life and his boys. And he's a
[Bernadette]wonderful father. He's a great father, but it's
[Bernadette]a lot to deal with. And so, you
[Bernadette]know, what is Crohn's disease, doctor Levy, and
[Bernadette]does it cause vitamin c deficiencies?

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[Dr. Levy]Crohn's disease is an ongoing chronic inflammation of
[Dr. Levy]the gut, generally of the small intestine. And
[Dr. Levy]the absorption ability of the gut goes way
[Dr. Levy]down, and so you end up, in addition
[Dr. Levy]to having the inflammation of the gut, you
[Dr. Levy]have a incredibly increased absorption of the toxins

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[Dr. Levy]and, pathogens that are growing in an abnormal
[Dr. Levy]microbiome in your gut, getting into your system
[Dr. Levy]and then causing a wide array of different
[Dr. Levy]problems. And there's probably no two cases of
[Dr. Levy]Crohn's disease that are completely the same. I
[Dr. Levy]will say this though, modern medicine, I use
[Dr. Levy]that term advisedly, I should say traditional medicine,

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[Dr. Levy]considers bone disease to be incurable. And instead,
[Dr. Levy]they just work with immunosuppressive and a wide
[Dr. Levy]array of drugs, everything drug, drug, drug. But
[Dr. Levy]the thing is, is what did I tell
[Dr. Levy]you? I just said all diseases, that means,
[Dr. Levy]that means Crohn's disease too, is an ongoing
[Dr. Levy]exposure to excess toxins causing oxidative stress. And

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[Dr. Levy]where do these toxins come from? They come
[Dr. Levy]from swallowing, in your aerodigestive tract where you
[Dr. Levy]have a significant amount, most people, especially if
[Dr. Levy]they don't take certain measures, which we may
[Dr. Levy]or may have not time to talk about,
[Dr. Levy]to clean out what's called the chronic pathogen
[Dr. Levy]colonization of their nose and throat. And what

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[Dr. Levy]does this is I had, advocated hydrogen peroxide
[Dr. Levy]debridization to deal with the pathogen for COVID.
[Dr. Levy]That was the book that I wrote, Rapid
[Dr. Levy]Virus Recovery.
[Bernadette]Mhmm.
[Dr. Levy]As it turns out, I almost called that
[Dr. Levy]book book Rapid Gut Recovery. But since we're
[Dr. Levy]since we are in the middle of a
[Dr. Levy]pandemic, I said, well, it's more important to
[Dr. Levy]bring the attention to the the fact that

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[Dr. Levy]it can end the pandemic, but I think
[Dr. Levy]it's just as important what it does to
[Dr. Levy]the gut. And what it does to the
[Dr. Levy]gut, in so many cases, normalizes it because
[Dr. Levy]it wipes out. Now chronic pathogen colonization is
[Dr. Levy]not an infection. It's a persistent presence of
[Dr. Levy]pathogens in your nose and throat. You feel
[Dr. Levy]perfectly fine. You don't suspect it's there, and

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[Dr. Levy]it's covered by a biofilm, so antibiotics can't
[Dr. Levy]touch it. And I can't say I have
[Dr. Levy]a series like this, but, when I, I
[Dr. Levy]received an email one day about a year
[Dr. Levy]ago, and it was a lady talking about
[Dr. Levy]her sixteen year old son who had Crohn's
[Dr. Levy]disease for a year and a half, bedridden,
[Dr. Levy]horribly ill, didn't have any energy at all,

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[Dr. Levy]was wasting away on a whole host of
[Dr. Levy]drugs. And she started nebulizing it with hydrogen
[Dr. Levy]peroxide and just taking some supplements and getting
[Dr. Levy]them off all of those drugs. And within,
[Dr. Levy]I think, sixty days, he he gradually steadily
[Dr. Levy]improved, but at sixty day point, he said

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[Dr. Levy]it was like a light switch went off,
[Dr. Levy]and he felt perfectly fine. Wow. And since
[Dr. Levy]since then, he's gone back to school and
[Dr. Levy]become an athlete. And this is all this
[Dr. Levy]is all with a disease that's considered to
[Dr. Levy]be incurable. The point is, is the gut
[Dr. Levy]regenerates itself very rapidly because there's a lot
[Dr. Levy]of stem cells down there. The gut regenerates

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[Dr. Levy]rapidly when you stop daily, nonstop, twenty four
[Dr. Levy]seven poisoning, which is what most people are
[Dr. Levy]doing because most people have this pathogenization. They
[Dr. Levy]don't realize it, and nothing in their ordinary
[Dr. Levy]array of medicines takes out this pathogen colonization,
[Dr. Levy]but hydrogen peroxide does.
[Bernadette]Why do medical doctors not know this? Why

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[Bernadette]are they not treating their patients with this?
[Bernadette]I mean, there's, there's so many things that
[Bernadette]I read that are so counterintuitive.
[Marie]Why do so many doctors and groups say
[Marie]that it is dangerous to do to nebulize
[Marie]hydrogen peroxide?
[Bernadette]Oh, that's a good question. Yeah. Let's let's
[Bernadette]start there.
[Dr. Levy]Because they're completely ignorant about it or they're

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[Dr. Levy]deadly scared of what it's gonna do to
[Dr. Levy]their practice.
[Bernadette]Yeah.
[Dr. Levy]Okay. This is the hydrogen peroxide. Let me
[Dr. Levy]drop off into that for a moment. You
[Dr. Levy]see, the hydrogen peroxide is naturally produced in
[Dr. Levy]your body.
[Bernadette]You
[Dr. Levy]have h two o water, o two oxygen,
[Dr. Levy]and you have hydrogen peroxide, which is h
[Dr. Levy]two zero two. It's one of the most
[Dr. Levy]common molecules in your body. And get this,

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[Dr. Levy]in your lungs, your lungs naturally produce hydrogen
[Dr. Levy]peroxide and express it into the airspace to
[Dr. Levy]deal with the pathogens that you inhale with
[Dr. Levy]every breath. And when you get infected and
[Dr. Levy]there's too many pathogens, then all you're doing
[Dr. Levy]with hydrogen peroxide and ammunization is augmenting and
[Dr. Levy]boosting the body's natural response to an infection.

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[Dr. Levy]And there's a lot more that documented just
[Dr. Levy]as well like that. But the point is
[Dr. Levy]is, yeah, sure. It works great on cleaning
[Dr. Levy]up your counter and this, that, or the
[Dr. Levy]other, and disinfecting it, but that doesn't mean
[Dr. Levy]it's not as effective or more effective inside
[Dr. Levy]the body. Effective. So no, it's it's a
[Dr. Levy]natural substance, and it's absolutely harmless when you

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[Dr. Levy]use the proper concentration. I say that because
[Dr. Levy]anything can be made toxic. So they come
[Dr. Levy]out with all sort of ridiculous circumstances about
[Dr. Levy]someone who just does it nonstop, uses a
[Dr. Levy]high concentration, and now they have an irritation
[Dr. Levy]in their throat and their lungs. Well, you
[Dr. Levy]can abuse yourself with anything. I mean, one

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[Dr. Levy]hundred thousand people in the United States every
[Dr. Levy]year die of, get this, prescription drugs that
[Dr. Levy]are taken as prescribed, not abused, not overdosed,
[Dr. Levy]but they take them as described, and they
[Dr. Levy]die. Yeah. So nobody has died from properly
[Dr. Levy]administered hydrogen peroxide by nebulization.

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[Bernadette]Wow. You know, all of this is a
[Bernadette]lot to take in. It really is in
[Bernadette]process. And, you know, what I what I
[Bernadette]was saying earlier is that a lot of
[Bernadette]these protocols and treatments, these medications that are
[Bernadette]prescribed for Crohn's disease really, are, they produce
[Bernadette]mesalamine. Okay? That's one of them. And cholesterol
[Bernadette]mean. These are two, prescribed drugs. And prednisone

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[Bernadette]and antibiotics, a lot of these things, but
[Bernadette]especially the the first two that I mentioned,
[Bernadette]the mesalamine and the colostromine. Those two prescriptions
[Bernadette]for for Crohn's disease produce the same, they
[Bernadette]produce bloody diarrhea, which is one of the
[Bernadette]symptoms of of Crohn's disease. Right? And and
[Bernadette]common common side effects are constipation, upset stomach,

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[Bernadette]diarrhea, loose stools, nauseousness, vomiting. And so, doctor
[Bernadette]Levy, what are your thoughts about this? Prescribing
[Bernadette]drugs that that that basically the side effects
[Bernadette]produce the same thing in you, the same
[Bernadette]types of symptoms that you're trying to fight.
[Dr. Levy]Well, I think it's criminal. That's what I
[Dr. Levy]think. No. So many doctors, I'm not gonna

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[Dr. Levy]say all of them, but so many doctors
[Dr. Levy]don't want to know about anything other than
[Dr. Levy]what they do. And for those few doctors
[Dr. Levy]of reading my book or any of my

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[Dr. Levy]articles, and they wouldn't dream of looking at
[Dr. Levy]any of the eighty thousand articles on vitamin
[Dr. Levy]C, for example, in the literature. Instead, they
[Dr. Levy]go to the textbook of medicine, which has
[Dr. Levy]in the course of four thousand pages not
[Dr. Levy]a single mention of vitamin C for anything.
[Dr. Levy]So I mean, they're living inside a cocoon.

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[Dr. Levy]They're group wise extraordinarily arrogant and feel that
[Dr. Levy]they know more about everything than anybody. And
[Dr. Levy]when you have something like that, you're not
[Dr. Levy]gonna get a good result. I mean, all
[Dr. Levy]diseases, one hundred percent, are due to, I
[Dr. Levy]said as I said, increased oxidative stress, and
[Dr. Levy]are generally nurtured by deficiencies of different natural

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[Dr. Levy]substances, vitamins, minerals, etcetera, nutrients. This is the
[Dr. Levy]premise of orthomolecular medicine. In other words, if
[Dr. Levy]you're sick, you're deficient in something, but you're
[Dr. Levy]not deficient in a prescription drug. That's when
[Dr. Levy]you start and the other thing too is
[Dr. Levy]modern medicine, I will give them this much.
[Dr. Levy]Their tremendous diagnosis. They have so much equipment,

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[Dr. Levy]so many machines, they'll diagnose anything, but that's
[Dr. Levy]where it ends. There's very little understanding or
[Dr. Levy]desire to understand pathophysiology and try to address
[Dr. Levy]the process of pathophysiology. And still, they just
[Dr. Levy]throw stuff at the wall until it sticks,
[Dr. Levy]and if some, drug, by some crazy mechanism,

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[Dr. Levy]decreases a symptom, then they start using that
[Dr. Levy]even though the drug is not doing anything
[Dr. Levy]at all to reverse the or even slow
[Dr. Levy]down the underlying disease process.
[Bernadette]Mhmm. Mhmm. You know you know this. One
[Bernadette]of the symptoms of Crohn's disease is mouth
[Bernadette]sores, which is a main symptom of scurvy,
[Bernadette]another disease related to vitamin c deficiency. But,

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[Bernadette]the article reads that vitamin c deficiency is
[Bernadette]less diagnosed than other vitamin deficiencies related to
[Bernadette]Crohn's disease. Why is that?
[Dr. Levy]Well, again, it's it's not diagnosed because it's
[Dr. Levy]not looked for. Every disease, one hundred percent,
[Dr. Levy]is associated with a variable degree of vitamin
[Dr. Levy]c deficiency, some more so than others. But

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[Dr. Levy]in every sense of the word, because of
[Dr. Levy]what I said about oxidative stress, what reverses
[Dr. Levy]or neutralizes oxidative stress? Vitamin c. When you
[Dr. Levy]have too many toxins with increased oxidative stress,
[Dr. Levy]that causes, and is the same as inflammation,
[Dr. Levy]same thing. Decreased numbers of normal biomolecules, increased

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[Dr. Levy]oxidized, that defines inflammation. And in every sense
[Dr. Levy]of the word, really, every disease has a
[Dr. Levy]variable degree of scurvy, if you will, or
[Dr. Levy]vitamin c deficiency. It's not limited just to
[Dr. Levy]Crohn's disease. So anytime you have a disease
[Dr. Levy]of any type, you're not getting enough vitamin

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[Dr. Levy]c inside the cells that are affected. Now
[Dr. Levy]there's lots of different ways to do that.
[Dr. Levy]It's not always easy, but that's the target.
[Dr. Levy]The target for any disease is to optimize
[Dr. Levy]the depleted vitamin c content inside the cells.
[Bernadette]Mhmm. You know, like I said, when I
[Bernadette]was preparing for the show and, like, I

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[Bernadette]went down a rabbit hole and just all
[Bernadette]these things that I discovered about the therapies
[Bernadette]that are that are prescribed for, you know,
[Bernadette]treating Crohn's disease. One of them was the
[Bernadette]low residue diet, which is deficient in fresh
[Bernadette]fruits and vegetables. So it's like, what? It's
[Bernadette]so ridiculous, so counterintuitive to healing the body.
[Bernadette]I mean, I think it's pretty clear from

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[Bernadette]what we've said so far, to, in this
[Bernadette]podcast that it is an autoimmune disorder. But
[Bernadette]autoimmune disorders are what what's the main reason
[Bernadette]that I say lifestyle. Right? Lifestyle is a
[Bernadette]main reason that we have so many autoimmune
[Bernadette]disorders and toxins that we receive from a
[Bernadette]lot of different sources in our body. Right?

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[Dr. Levy]Well, nearly all toxins, new toxins in the
[Dr. Levy]body come from infections, open infections, other areas
[Dr. Levy]of infection. So, when you have a situation
[Dr. Levy]like that, autoimmune diseases, almost all of them,
[Dr. Levy]come from infections because what happens? You get

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[Dr. Levy]an infection somewhere, and then you start producing
[Dr. Levy]infectious metabolic byproducts, and the body will start
[Dr. Levy]trying to immediately react to that. But in
[Dr. Levy]the process, by reasons that are not really
[Dr. Levy]well understood, the reaction to those byproducts of
[Dr. Levy]the infection also starts reacting with the normal

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[Dr. Levy]tissue around them. And so you end up,
[Dr. Levy]if you will, that's why the term autoimmune
[Dr. Levy]turning on your immune system against against yourself.
[Dr. Levy]But the answer is not to suppress the
[Dr. Levy]immune system, which is what all drugs do
[Dr. Levy]well. You have an autoimmune response, let's suppress
[Dr. Levy]the immune system. That just makes things work
[Dr. Levy]and go worse in the long run. Instead,

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[Dr. Levy]you need to identify those infections, and almost
[Dr. Levy]all of the time, they're in the mouth.
[Dr. Levy]There are infected gums, infected teeth, infected tonsils,
[Dr. Levy]infected sinuses, and or the chronic pathogen colonization
[Dr. Levy]I mentioned to you at the outset, growing
[Dr. Levy]in the nose and throat. If you don't
[Dr. Levy]address those, you keep the autoimmune disease for

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[Dr. Levy]life. When I was with doctor Huggins, I
[Dr. Levy]saw a number of cases of lupus, which
[Dr. Levy]is a classical autoimmune disease, with very, very
[Dr. Levy]high levels of antinuclear antibodies, the standard lab
[Dr. Levy]tests due to measure the activity of the
[Dr. Levy]disease. And on more than one occasion, patients
[Dr. Levy]with absolutely astronomical levels of antinuclear antibodies came

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[Dr. Levy]into the clinic in over a two week
[Dr. Levy]period, where they went on a a new
[Dr. Levy]diet, they went on a new supplement regimen,
[Dr. Levy]and they got all their root canals, infected
[Dr. Levy]teeth, taken out, and all the other dental
[Dr. Levy]toxins need the mercury, and those levels came
[Dr. Levy]down to zero. Mhmm. So so, I mean,

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[Dr. Levy]we're we're we can't ignore the elephant in
[Dr. Levy]the room. We just pretend the elephant in
[Dr. Levy]the room, dental toxicity. We've talked about that
[Dr. Levy]before. Mhmm. If we do that, if you
[Dr. Levy]do that, you're just chasing your tail.
[Bernadette]Yeah. No. I would agree. And there's so
[Bernadette]there's so many I there's so many factors.
[Bernadette]I think that, you know, vaccines, you over
[Bernadette]usage of vaccines, if not all vaccines, have

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[Bernadette]an effect on our immune system, which I
[Bernadette]think are partly guilty for all this this
[Bernadette]rise in autoimmune disorders. What do you say
[Bernadette]about that, doctor Levy?
[Dr. Levy]No question at all. Do you know that
[Dr. Levy]the DPT vaccine, they've used that for a
[Dr. Levy]long time, unfortunately, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus. Well, when

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[Dr. Levy]the vaccine first came out, investigators would use
[Dr. Levy]the pertussis part encephalitis in their encephalitis in
[Dr. Levy]their test animals.
[Bernadette]Oh my god.
[Dr. Levy]And that's exactly what it does in babies.
[Dr. Levy]Alright? I mean, doesn't happen to a hundred

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[Dr. Levy]percent, but how much of a percent do
[Dr. Levy]you want it to happen when you're giving
[Dr. Levy]a vaccine for something that vitamin c and
[Dr. Levy]a few other things could treat naturally or
[Dr. Levy]prevent. Mhmm. And when the baby just all
[Dr. Levy]of a sudden goes from a bright smile
[Dr. Levy]to a frown and starts crying and touching
[Dr. Levy]their head, I mean, you better get the
[Dr. Levy]vitamin C going and fast. Mhmm. Or you've

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[Dr. Levy]got autism for sure. Alright? Yes. It causes
[Dr. Levy]autism. Yes. It's the primary cause of autism.
[Dr. Levy]And just gaslighting the whole public into into
[Dr. Levy]into the idea that you just can't say
[Dr. Levy]something so outlandish because that just can't be
[Dr. Levy]true. Well, the truth is the truth. Mhmm.
[Dr. Levy]Yeah. And so so no. I'm and just

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[Dr. Levy]like you said at the start of this,
[Dr. Levy]they also initiate autoimmune reactions for the same
[Dr. Levy]reasons.
[Bernadette]Right.
[Dr. Levy]It was found out a long time ago
[Dr. Levy]at the same time that children were starting
[Dr. Levy]to get, less and less of the babies,
[Dr. Levy]of course, who couldn't talk, but they could
[Dr. Levy]clearly upset by the horrible headaches they would
[Dr. Levy]start getting after these vaccines were given, that's

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[Dr. Levy]when the digestive abnormalities start. Almost all these
[Dr. Levy]babies, very large number of them, that's the
[Dr. Levy]first thing that screws up their gut. And
[Dr. Levy]then they start getting chronic gut pain. And,
[Dr. Levy]I mean, look at so many of the
[Dr. Levy]babies. It's not natural for a baby to
[Dr. Levy]to to have something and then start having
[Dr. Levy]gas and upset stomach and everything else. That's

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[Dr. Levy]not natural. That's not the way it's supposed
[Dr. Levy]to go. But the whole freaking population is
[Dr. Levy]vaccinated, so it's just the baseline toxicity for
[Dr. Levy]everybody.
[Bernadette]Right. And accept it. It's just like, oh,
[Bernadette]yeah. Babies And
[Dr. Levy]accept it. Yes.
[Bernadette]Very sad. And so is there I'm I'm
[Bernadette]I'm guessing the answer is yes based on
[Bernadette]being a mother of twice and just listening
[Bernadette]and reading so much from from experts like

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[Bernadette]you. Just popped in and out of my
[Bernadette]head. The, what do you call it when
[Bernadette]babies a colic. So colic is related to
[Bernadette]this as well. Right?
[Dr. Levy]Precisely. Precisely. Yes.
[Bernadette]Yeah. Wow. And I didn't have colicky babies,
[Bernadette]and I did not vaccinate my babies early
[Bernadette]before. I wouldn't have not have vaccinated them
[Bernadette]at all had I known what I know
[Bernadette]now. But I did do it in such
[Bernadette]a way I only picked a few. And

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[Bernadette]the ones that I thought that were the
[Bernadette]scariest, if they were to contract that, you
[Bernadette]know, that virus or disease, and immunize them
[Bernadette]against that, and I did it months apart.
[Bernadette]So
[Dr. Levy]Let me let me tell you something else
[Dr. Levy]too that is just one huge added factor
[Dr. Levy]accelerating everything we're talking about from the babies
[Dr. Levy]to the Crohn's disease, to digestive problems in

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[Dr. Levy]general, is the fact that our anointed idiots
[Dr. Levy]in public in the public health medicine back
[Dr. Levy]in the nineteen four back in the nineteen
[Dr. Levy]forties, started putting iron in everything. Iron in
[Dr. Levy]every in in all the grades, all the

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[Dr. Levy]rices is called food enrichment. And any type
[Dr. Levy]of iron is bad for you, but if
[Dr. Levy]you look at it and anybody who's interested,
[Dr. Levy]go to YouTube and type in Doctor. Levy
[Dr. Levy]Iron Video, and you'll see that regular cereals
[Dr. Levy]have not only iron in it, they have
[Dr. Levy]metallic iron filings.

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[Bernadette]Oh, wow.
[Dr. Levy]Metallic iron filings. Now, what do you think
[Dr. Levy]that does to your gut every time you
[Dr. Levy]swallow that? Pure inflammation, pure, oxidative stress. And
[Dr. Levy]iron is one of what I call the
[Dr. Levy]three toxic nutrients. Okay? Calcium, copper, and iron.
[Dr. Levy]We all need them for life in small

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[Dr. Levy]amounts
[Bernadette]Mhmm.
[Dr. Levy]But they are the three primary mechanisms by
[Dr. Levy]which we disease cells and eventually kill cells
[Dr. Levy]when the elevate when the levels get elevated.
[Dr. Levy]But the point being is this isn't all
[Dr. Levy]the infant formulas, this isn't all the stuff
[Dr. Levy]just to help out that little baby so
[Dr. Levy]much. Back in the day, they had large
[Dr. Levy]numbers of iron deficiency anemia in Africa and

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[Dr. Levy]the other, undeveloped countries, and our geniuses in
[Dr. Levy]the United States, I'm I'm assuming they had
[Dr. Levy]good intent. The geniuses in the United States
[Dr. Levy]says, well, we gotta make sure nobody in
[Dr. Levy]the United States gets iron deficiency anemia, so
[Dr. Levy]we're gonna give them iron and everything, whether
[Dr. Levy]they eat it or not. And like I
[Dr. Levy]just said, iron has a very low toxicity

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[Dr. Levy]level. I mean, just a little bit of
[Dr. Levy]it is highly toxic. If you have a
[Dr. Levy]normal blood count and you don't have iron
[Dr. Levy]deficiency anemia, you don't need one more molecule
[Dr. Levy]of iron in your body. If that's what,
[Dr. Levy]I mean, the people that can't afford an
[Dr. Levy]organic diet, that can't afford, They're they're forced
[Dr. Levy]to buy the packaged food. It's all been
[Dr. Levy]poisoned with iron. Mhmm.

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[Bernadette]And when they test you for, iron poor
[Bernadette]blood, isn't that test in itself flawed? Because
[Bernadette]it doesn't measure the and I'm trying to
[Bernadette]think of the what it is that compound
[Bernadette]or chemical or or or substance that's in
[Bernadette]the iron molecule, and I'm getting in some
[Bernadette]deep water here with myself. I can't think
[Bernadette]of what it do you know what I'm
[Bernadette]talking?

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[Dr. Levy]I'm not sure. Then what how they test
[Dr. Levy]for iron or the most accurate way to
[Dr. Levy]test for the irons of your body, in
[Dr. Levy]other words, is it, normal, high, or low,
[Dr. Levy]is by doing the ferritin level. That's it.
[Dr. Levy]Ferritin level. That that's that's the storage form
[Dr. Levy]of iron. You don't wanna be messing with
[Dr. Levy]the serum iron levels and all that stuff.
[Dr. Levy]It seems like it would be relevant, but

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[Dr. Levy]it's not that relevant. What's relevant is to
[Dr. Levy]know whether your lifestyle, your supplementation, your diet
[Dr. Levy]has been causing you to accumulate iron, and
[Dr. Levy]that's reflected in the ferritin level. The only
[Dr. Levy]time anybody should ever take iron, and it
[Dr. Levy]shouldn't be indefinitely, is when they have an
[Dr. Levy]iron deficiency anemia. Not any anemia, an iron

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[Dr. Levy]deficiency anemia, and that's easy to diagnose because
[Dr. Levy]the red blood cells are small, microcytic, and
[Dr. Levy]they're very pale, hypochromic. That type of anemia
[Dr. Levy]responds to iron and will build back up
[Dr. Levy]again. It's it's crazy because the oncologist just
[Dr. Levy]never caught on or never realized what they're
[Dr. Levy]doing. Mhmm. And so it and somehow this

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[Dr. Levy]morphed into, well, iron is good for an
[Dr. Levy]anemias. No, iron is good for an iron
[Dr. Levy]deficiency anemia, generally when you're losing blood or
[Dr. Levy]bleeding somewhere, getting low on your iron, and
[Dr. Levy]then your hemoglobin level drops. Mhmm. What do
[Dr. Levy]the oncologists do? They have already these horribly
[Dr. Levy]critically ill patients being poisoned with with their

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[Dr. Levy]chemotherapy agents, and they all have what's called
[Dr. Levy]anemia of chronic disease, not an iron deficiency
[Dr. Levy]anemia. And what do they do? They say,
[Dr. Levy]well, let's give you a lot of iron.
[Dr. Levy]And that just maximizes the oxidative stress in
[Dr. Levy]ushering these people out of the planet.
[Bernadette]Wow. This is so interesting. It really is.
[Bernadette]And so how do you how how does

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[Bernadette]one get an iron deficiency anemia? I'm thinking
[Bernadette]because I know two young girls that, one
[Bernadette]is my own daughter and one is, a
[Bernadette]friend of mine's that were that their their
[Bernadette]daughter was diagnosed with iron deficiency anemia. Is
[Bernadette]it from heavy menstrual cycles?
[Dr. Levy]Yes. It's almost all the time, it's from
[Dr. Levy]blood loss. And in younger people, like you

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[Dr. Levy]say, menstruating females, it's coming from excessive menses.
[Dr. Levy]In older people, you really have to do
[Dr. Levy]an intense investigation for either a gastrointestinal cancer
[Dr. Levy]or a bleeding ulcer. And there's one other
[Dr. Levy]less well known subset that will bring on
[Dr. Levy]iron deficiency anemia because most people don't realize,

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[Dr. Levy]most doctors don't realize that you can lower
[Dr. Levy]iron by excessive sweating. And they've actually shown
[Dr. Levy]that young healthy boys and girls, young men,
[Dr. Levy]young women who are in aerobic heavy aerobic
[Dr. Levy]sports
[Bernadette]Mhmm.
[Dr. Levy]Can exercise themselves into an iron deficiency anemia

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[Dr. Levy]by the end of the season. Mhmm. You
[Dr. Levy]know, nothing nothing other than loss of iron
[Dr. Levy]through the sweat. But that's that's pretty limited
[Dr. Levy]there. I mean, there are many people, certainly
[Dr. Levy]older people, that are having any sort of
[Dr. Levy]excessive loss of iron in their sweat, and
[Dr. Levy]so you always have to think in terms
[Dr. Levy]of I'm losing blood, where is the blood
[Dr. Levy]being lost from?

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[Bernadette]Right. This is so I I I love
[Bernadette]talking about this. I'm putting putting all the
[Bernadette]little pieces together. But it's very complicated in
[Bernadette]one way and some ways, I should say.
[Bernadette]And it's very simple as well. Like, to
[Bernadette]understanding a lot of these, a lot of
[Bernadette]these diseases, as I said earlier, are light
[Bernadette]are because of lifestyle choices. Right? Because, like,
[Bernadette]Crohn's disease, one of the number one things
[Bernadette]that they say causes, and it's mostly white

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[Bernadette]people too. So is it genetic? But but
[Bernadette]smoking is what I was alluding to. It's
[Bernadette]it's really bad if if Smoking and a
[Marie]lot of, affirming or African Americans have it
[Marie]too.
[Bernadette]Oh, really? Uh-huh. Okay. Okay.
[Dr. Levy]Well, one thing you have to remember about
[Dr. Levy]smoking is, okay, smoke in your lungs, lung
[Dr. Levy]cancer, everybody, but then they start talking about

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[Dr. Levy]smoking and heart disease or other diseases like
[Dr. Levy]you're mentioning right now. Talk to any dentist,
[Dr. Levy]any dentist that, and ask him or her,
[Dr. Levy]what do the gums look like for somebody
[Dr. Levy]who smokes a pack or more a day?
[Dr. Levy]And they'll say they're all horrible. Nobody that
[Dr. Levy]smokes significantly has normal gums, and gums are

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[Dr. Levy]the place where all the pathology in the
[Dr. Levy]mouth from infection starts. Once you start losing
[Dr. Levy]healthy gums and the pathogens colonize the side
[Dr. Levy]of the gums, sometimes work your way down
[Dr. Levy]to the tooth, sometimes just promote the chronic
[Dr. Levy]pathogen colonization as you swallow. Gums, that's why

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[Dr. Levy]smoking it seems almost a little bit silly,
[Dr. Levy]but that's why smoking causes as much problems
[Dr. Levy]as it does for the most part, is
[Dr. Levy]because it completely destroys the ability of somebody
[Dr. Levy]to maintain normal gums, and they all have
[Dr. Levy]chronic gum infection, chronic periodontal disease.
[Bernadette]Wow. Okay. Prednisone. Prednisone, you mentioned it earlier.

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[Bernadette]Were you gonna say something, Marie?
[Marie]Well, I was just, I remember we did
[Marie]a show on calcium, iron, and copper, and
[Marie]they all have to be at this at
[Marie]certain levels. They all kind of you need
[Marie]one for the other. Like, we we talked
[Marie]about calcium. You can overdo the calcium supplements,
[Marie]things like that.
[Bernadette]Causes heart disease. Right, doctor Levy?

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[Dr. Levy]As I said, you should never supplement calcium.
[Dr. Levy]Never. Never. Never. I wrote a whole book
[Dr. Levy]on that called death by calcium. You can
[Dr. Levy]see all the data.
[Bernadette]That's right. Yeah.
[Dr. Levy]Yes. The the whole planet is poisoning themselves.
[Dr. Levy]Every cell that has increased oxidative stress, everyone
[Dr. Levy]has an elevated intercellular calcium. It's absolutely required

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[Dr. Levy]to have that oxidative stress and to have
[Dr. Levy]the calcium up. So everything you can do
[Dr. Levy]to bring the calcium down, and taking calcium
[Dr. Levy]is not the way to do that, is
[Dr. Levy]also something that promotes good health. Magnesium pulls
[Dr. Levy]pushes the calcium down. Vitamin c works to
[Dr. Levy]do that, but these are the things you
[Dr. Levy]need to do. I I know it's it's,

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[Dr. Levy]and the thing is they say there's not
[Dr. Levy]enough calcium in bones with osteoporosis. Well, that's
[Dr. Levy]not the cause of the osteoporosis. Yes. Osteoporosis
[Dr. Levy]is low in calcium, but the answer is
[Dr. Levy]not calcium. It's like burning up wood and
[Dr. Levy]the smoke is the calcium. Mhmm. And then
[Dr. Levy]now you wanna put the smoke back into
[Dr. Levy]the wood. No. It doesn't work that way.
[Dr. Levy]Alright? You you need to reconstruct bone by

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[Dr. Levy]a multistage process, and vitamin c actually can
[Dr. Levy]help do that by itself. But with other
[Dr. Levy]bone agents too, is very good as well.
[Dr. Levy]Mhmm. So so no. So no. You want
[Dr. Levy]to avoid calcium at all costs. Absolutely.
[Bernadette]Wow. Yeah. I remember you saying that. Because
[Bernadette]I got Wait.
[Dr. Levy]You asked about prednisone. Let me tell you
[Dr. Levy]this about prednisone. All the prescription corticosteroids, prednisone,

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[Dr. Levy]dexamethasone, methylprednisolone, these are all steroid hammers, steroid
[Dr. Levy]sledgehammers, because the one steroid you need, and
[Dr. Levy]it's produced naturally in the in the adrenal
[Dr. Levy]gland, is called cortisol, which is also known
[Dr. Levy]as hydrocortisol. That's the only thing anybody should

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[Dr. Levy]ever be taking when they feel there's there's
[Dr. Levy]a need for a steroid type treatment. Why?
[Dr. Levy]Because the primary role of a corticosteroid, hydrocortisone,
[Dr. Levy]but also the other ones, is to push
[Dr. Levy]vitamin c inside the cell.
[Bernadette]Oh, wow.
[Dr. Levy]They they are not intrinsically anti inflammatory. They
[Dr. Levy]are anti inflammatory because they push the real

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[Dr. Levy]anti inflammatory inside your cells. And of course,
[Dr. Levy]this is not recognized, so they don't prescribe
[Dr. Levy]vitamin C with the corticosteroids. So what happens
[Dr. Levy]is they start somebody with arthritis or high
[Dr. Levy]dose prednisone, and initially everything feels great. But
[Dr. Levy]then the stores of vitamin c get used

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[Dr. Levy]up, and then they continue to give the
[Dr. Levy]corticosteroid without vitamin c, and then you start
[Dr. Levy]to get all the horrible side effects, the
[Dr. Levy]diabetes, the muscle wasting, and all these other
[Dr. Levy]things we see with prescription prescription corticosteroids. But
[Dr. Levy]you'll never get into trouble when you have
[Dr. Levy]an infection, when you have a chronic disease,
[Dr. Levy]taking some hydrocortisone with your vitamin C, and

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[Dr. Levy]it just supercharges the vitamin C dose. And
[Dr. Levy]that's because all diseases are decreased levels of
[Dr. Levy]vitamin C inside your cells. And when you're
[Dr. Levy]able to take something like that because the
[Dr. Levy]other thing too is peep as people get
[Dr. Levy]old, they lose the sex hormones, testosterone, estrogen.
[Dr. Levy]They lose the thyroid hormone. And the big

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[Dr. Levy]other elephant in the room that doesn't get
[Dr. Levy]addressed is they start having adrenal insufficiency, and
[Dr. Levy]they no longer make enough hydrocortisone to deal
[Dr. Levy]with stress. And stress is always coming from
[Dr. Levy]excess oxidation or new infections.
[Bernadette]Marie, you act
[Marie]I have all sorts of questions. One, I
[Marie]thought cortisol is gave you belly fat. Like,

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[Marie]isn't that true?
[Bernadette]Yeah. Right? Doctor. Lee? No.
[Dr. Levy]No. That's not true at all.
[Bernadette]Oh my gosh.
[Dr. Levy]Now now you have situations where diseases in
[Dr. Levy]which there's excess cortisol produced. Okay. That's an
[Dr. Levy]entirely different thing. I'm talking about the huge
[Dr. Levy]bulk of the population where the adrenal gland

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[Dr. Levy]is burning out along with all the other
[Dr. Levy]glands in the body. It's burning out. It's
[Dr. Levy]not producing enough cortisol, but you still need
[Dr. Levy]that cortisol as much as you ever did
[Dr. Levy]if you want to prevent infections and attenuate
[Dr. Levy]chronic diseases because they all have to do
[Dr. Levy]with deficient vitamin c inside the cell, which

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[Dr. Levy]is always precipitated when you have hypo adrenalism
[Dr. Levy]or insufficient insufficient cortisol circulating in your body.
[Dr. Levy]So and when you take cortisol like that,
[Dr. Levy]you'll never have a hormone excess property because
[Dr. Levy]the adrenal gland, whatever cortisol it is making,

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[Dr. Levy]will just make a little less, and when
[Dr. Levy]you take less, it'll start making more. Unlike
[Dr. Levy]other glands, taking cortisol or hydrocortisol for adrenal
[Dr. Levy]insufficiency rests the glands, it doesn't burn out
[Dr. Levy]the gland. They talk about other things where
[Dr. Levy]you take the hormone long enough and the
[Dr. Levy]gland afterfeys it doesn't work anymore. That's not
[Dr. Levy]the case with the adrenal glands. But you'll

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[Dr. Levy]never get yourself into trouble, really, taking five,
[Dr. Levy]ten, fifteen, even twenty milligrams of hydrocortisone a
[Dr. Levy]day, first thing in the morning, along with
[Dr. Levy]a big dose of vitamin c. I mean,
[Dr. Levy]that's just a health tonic like you can't
[Dr. Levy]believe.
[Bernadette]So much to know. So much. You know,

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[Bernadette]doctor Levy, we've discussed this before on the
[Bernadette]show too, but I'd like to go over
[Bernadette]it again because people I I when when
[Bernadette]I was preparing for the show last night,
[Bernadette]my friend Laurie stopped over and reminded me
[Bernadette]that we as humans, do not produce or
[Bernadette]synthesize our own vitamin c like other species.
[Bernadette]And, you know, it makes sense. Animals rarely
[Bernadette]get sick. Right? They don't really get the
[Bernadette]common cold or Crohn's disease or all these

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[Bernadette]things, you know.
[Dr. Levy]Yeah. Not not many not many animals are
[Dr. Levy]injecting themselves with insulin for their diabetes.
[Bernadette]Yeah. Vitamin c, what I'm trying to get
[Bernadette]at here, is really something that all of
[Bernadette]us need to be very aware of if
[Bernadette]we're
[Dr. Levy]We're all deficient. We're all deficient. Yes. Kinda
[Dr. Levy]like magnesium too.

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[Bernadette]Right?
[Dr. Levy]Magnesium too. And when nearly the entire population
[Dr. Levy]has a deficiency, it's not recognized because everybody's
[Dr. Levy]in the same boat. What you mentioned about
[Dr. Levy]vitamin c, let me put this in right
[Dr. Levy]now, is because in the normal liver, this
[Dr. Levy]is present in animals, you have you start
[Dr. Levy]with glucose, glucose, and by a four enzyme

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[Dr. Levy]sequence, you make vitamin c and secret it
[Dr. Levy]directly into the bloodstream. That's what should be
[Dr. Levy]happening. And then what should be happening is
[Dr. Levy]when you get an acute infection and acute
[Dr. Levy]stress and acute toxin, the adrenal glands secrete
[Dr. Levy]hydrocortisone, and at the same time, the liver
[Dr. Levy]is secreting vitamin C so that the two

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[Dr. Levy]together can supercharge your cells. But instead, what
[Dr. Levy]do we have? We're not making the vitamin
[Dr. Levy]C, we're just accumulating the glucose. The reason
[Dr. Levy]that you don't have any diabetes in animals
[Dr. Levy]is because they use their glucose to make
[Dr. Levy]vitamin c.
[Bernadette]Wow. Okay. So let's go to this. What
[Bernadette]type of vitamin c is best, and what's

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[Bernadette]the proper dosage for your average adult? How
[Bernadette]does how does it work?
[Dr. Levy]Well, the best vitamin c, I've worked with
[Dr. Levy]this company for almost twenty years because it's
[Dr. Levy]such a phenomenal product, is the LiveOn Labs
[Dr. Levy]liposome encapsulated vitamin c. Mhmm. It gets the
[Dr. Levy]vitamin c inside the cells, not just in

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[Dr. Levy]the bloodstream. Some people, they think it's a
[Dr. Levy]little pricey. Well, you don't have to do
[Dr. Levy]that. You could take other regular forms of
[Dr. Levy]vitamin c, but in order to get the
[Dr. Levy]same effect, you have to take more of
[Dr. Levy]it and more frequently. And that comes down
[Dr. Levy]to something like vitamin c as sodium ascorbate
[Dr. Levy]or ascorbic acid. You put a little powder,

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[Dr. Levy]three, four, five, six grams of powder inside
[Dr. Levy]a beverage of your choice, that you can
[Dr. Levy]sip on all day long. That's a good
[Dr. Levy]way to take it because when you take
[Dr. Levy]large amounts of vitamin c all at once,
[Dr. Levy]it doesn't get absorbed that well. But when
[Dr. Levy]you take smaller amounts more frequently or a
[Dr. Levy]small amount more or less continuously, you get

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[Dr. Levy]a whole lot more inside the body.
[Bernadette]That's a good tip.
[Dr. Levy]General doses vary widely as you can imagine
[Dr. Levy]depending on your level of toxins and your
[Dr. Levy]level of oxidative stress. But for people who
[Dr. Levy]want a number, I I say, you know,
[Dr. Levy]depending on your gut sensitivity, you you should
[Dr. Levy]try to get at least three to nine

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[Dr. Levy]grams of regular vitamin c in a day.
[Dr. Levy]And for most people, that involves taking a
[Dr. Levy]dose more than once, not just taking a
[Dr. Levy]large dose all at once. Mhmm. And then
[Dr. Levy]then, of course, there's the intravenous preparations. That's
[Dr. Levy]that's always good if you have the opportunity
[Dr. Levy]and the availability. But I tell you what,
[Dr. Levy]the intravenous is not better than large doses

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[Dr. Levy]of the live on liposomal vitamin c.
[Bernadette]Ah, I was gonna go there.
[Dr. Levy]It's that effective. It's that effect. And the
[Dr. Levy]tragedy is LiveOn Labs has been so successful
[Dr. Levy]because its product is so good. I I
[Dr. Levy]can't tell you how many people out there
[Dr. Levy]are now calling themselves a liposome product, and
[Dr. Levy]it's not. Yeah. They're just they're just waiting

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[Dr. Levy]to be reprimanded and then say, oh, okay.
[Dr. Levy]We'll stop.
[Bernadette]Really? When
[Dr. Levy]when they when they don't reprimand them, when
[Dr. Levy]the when the FTC doesn't come in or
[Dr. Levy]the FDA, and say, show this is a
[Dr. Levy]liposomal product, they'll just. And the thing is
[Dr. Levy]is the harm is not super because they're
[Dr. Levy]still giving vitamin c. So it's not like

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[Dr. Levy]they're getting a complete placebo. They're still getting
[Dr. Levy]something with vitamin c in it. But for
[Dr. Levy]the critically ill patients, the cancer patients, the
[Dr. Levy]other ones, they're missing out, and they're severely
[Dr. Levy]hurting those patients by making them think they're
[Dr. Levy]getting liposome with a where the vitamin c
[Dr. Levy]is getting inside the cell. I mean, the
[Dr. Levy]clinical impact I've had by using these liposomes

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[Dr. Levy]has has been enormous.
[Marie]You just said that it, in large doses,
[Marie]it isn't always absorbed. So those IVs that
[Marie]you hear about, the high dose vitamin c
[Marie]IVs,
[Bernadette]are those a waste of bacteria?
[Dr. Levy]But it's in the gut. When it's in
[Dr. Levy]the gut, it is not absorbed. It accumulates
[Dr. Levy]in the colon and causes anosmotic diarrhea, so

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[Dr. Levy]you flush it out. But, no, you you
[Dr. Levy]you you take in everything when you take
[Dr. Levy]an IV. The the IV never causes a
[Dr. Levy]gut effect. It's only the oral vitamin c
[Dr. Levy]that causes the gut effect.
[Marie]So taking a lot of supplements all at
[Marie]once is not gonna
[Dr. Levy]Well, no. I mean, other other supplements don't
[Dr. Levy]share this quality with vitamin c. So no.
[Dr. Levy]I mean, for the most part, I mean,

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[Dr. Levy]I take all my supplements all at once
[Dr. Levy]in the morning. It's not necessarily the best
[Dr. Levy]way to do it, but I know myself
[Dr. Levy]I can't do something three times a day.
[Marie]Right. Yeah.
[Dr. Levy]And then I got too many things going
[Dr. Levy]on. But I make sure I get it
[Dr. Levy]done first thing in the morning and Mhmm.
[Dr. Levy]And take it from there. Okay? And and
[Dr. Levy]the and the liposome vitamin c, if I
[Dr. Levy]live on, does not have the effect on

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[Dr. Levy]the gut of causing a of causing a
[Dr. Levy]diarrhea or a loose stool because it virtually
[Dr. Levy]all gets absorbed before it gets there.
[Bernadette]And the liposome or liposomal, I don't is
[Bernadette]it both are both words correct?
[Dr. Levy]Yes. Okay. Okay.
[Bernadette]And so is it why is it so,
[Bernadette]so much more beneficial? And it because it's
[Bernadette]suspended in fat. Right? The the LivOn brand

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[Bernadette]or any liposomal, I guess.
[Dr. Levy]It's literally it's literally an artificial man made
[Dr. Levy]cell. I mean, it's actually the same construct
[Dr. Levy]as a cell inside your body. The, phosphatidylcholine,
[Dr. Levy]by the technique that they use, encapsulates something
[Dr. Levy]that's water soluble, in this case, vitamin c,

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[Dr. Levy]and then they have then they have the
[Dr. Levy]liposome wall, which is the same as the
[Dr. Levy]wall of every cell in your body.
[Bernadette]Mhmm.
[Dr. Levy]So it it all gets absorbed. And then
[Dr. Levy]once it gets into the bloodstream, rather than
[Dr. Levy]just get excreted in the kidneys like a
[Dr. Levy]lot of the vitamin c does, every cell
[Dr. Levy]it encounters, it's either small enough that it

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[Dr. Levy]passes through the pores of the cell or
[Dr. Levy]it hits the cell wall, and then by
[Dr. Levy]a process of called reverse pyrocytosis, it opens
[Dr. Levy]up, merges with the cell wall, and pushes
[Dr. Levy]the vitamin c inside the cell.
[Bernadette]Wow. Well, are there any other, species on
[Bernadette]the planet that don't synthesize vitamin c like

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[Bernadette]humans? Because I was reading that the chimpanzee
[Bernadette]and the human share about ninety nine point
[Bernadette]five percent of the evolutionary history. Are are
[Bernadette]there other species that are vitamin c deficient
[Bernadette]as well? Or is it just humans?
[Dr. Levy]Just just humans, guinea pigs.
[Bernadette]Guinea pigs.
[Dr. Levy]So guinea pigs. That's why they're guinea pigs

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[Dr. Levy]because it's a lot easier to induce disease
[Dr. Levy]than something that doesn't make its own vitamin
[Dr. Levy]C. And so they make much better experimental
[Dr. Levy]models.
[Bernadette]Oh my gosh. Wow. That makes me sad
[Bernadette]though. Gosh. You know, I'm a big animal
[Bernadette]lover. I I don't I think there's better
[Bernadette]ways to experiment. I know a lot of
[Bernadette]people would disagree with me. I I think
[Bernadette]that animal laboratory or laboratory animals, I should

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[Bernadette]say, are are not cool, for lack of
[Bernadette]a better word. I think that we are
[Bernadette]sophisticated enough that perhaps we could find a
[Bernadette]better way. What do you say to that,
[Bernadette]doctor Levy? And you won't hurt my feelings
[Bernadette]if you say I'm wrong.
[Dr. Levy]Guinea pigs make a great test animal because
[Dr. Levy]in a test animal, you want to be
[Dr. Levy]able to, induce a negative effect, cause an

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[Dr. Levy]infectious disease, have a toxic effect. And even
[Dr. Levy]though they also experiment obviously in mice and
[Dr. Levy]rats, it's best with the guinea pigs because
[Dr. Levy]the mice and rats make their own vitamin
[Dr. Levy]c. So you have to always have that
[Dr. Levy]factor in the background when you're trying to
[Dr. Levy]interpret the results of your, of your experimentation.

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[Bernadette]And so that's where the phrase don't be
[Bernadette]a guinea pig came from?
[Dr. Levy]Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[Bernadette]Who would've known? Oh my gosh. That's funny.
[Bernadette]Well, anything else that you want to share
[Bernadette]with our listeners before we wrap up this
[Bernadette]podcast today, doctor Levy? And again, it's been
[Bernadette]so great touching base with you and discussing
[Bernadette]all these incredible topics. There's so much to
[Bernadette]know about, our bodies and our health.

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[Dr. Levy]Well, I think, the thing that I always
[Dr. Levy]say is, always realize that there's more politics
[Dr. Levy]in medicine than there isn't politics. Sad to
[Dr. Levy]say the truth.
[Bernadette]I know.
[Dr. Levy]And although it's a tremendously burdensome task to
[Dr. Levy]have to, shall we say, as an expression,
[Dr. Levy]be your own doctor, you have to take

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[Dr. Levy]the time and energy to do your own
[Dr. Levy]research and not just blindly go to some
[Dr. Levy]doctor in the phone book and expect to
[Dr. Levy]be taken care of properly. So educate yourself,
[Dr. Levy]and if you have a doctor that won't
[Dr. Levy]answer your questions, in a friendly and intelligent
[Dr. Levy]fashion, that's the wrong doctor. And don't walk
[Dr. Levy]out of that office, run out of that
[Dr. Levy]office.

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[Bernadette]With a prescription in your hand either. Right?
[Bernadette]Alright. Well, it's great. So great to, be
[Bernadette]on the air with you today, and I've
[Bernadette]hit the music. I am going to wrap
[Bernadette]this up. I encourage everyone to visit doctor
[Bernadette]Levy's, website. That's Tom Levy MD dot com
[Bernadette]and check it out. And your YouTube, what's

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[Bernadette]the YouTube video again with you, doctor Levy?
[Dr. Levy]You just type in in the search box
[Dr. Levy]doctor Levy iron video.
[Bernadette]Alright. Doctor Levy iron video. I don't wanna
[Bernadette]I don't wanna wrap this up. I don't.
[Bernadette]I just could talk for about health forever.
[Bernadette]Hope you'll come back sometime soon. So much
[Bernadette]to know you guys out there. Thank you
[Bernadette]for listening. We love you. Take care of

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[Bernadette]your health because your health truly is your
[Bernadette]wealth. Right, doctor Levy?
[Dr. Levy]Absolutely. Thanks for having me on.
[Bernadette]Of course.
[Dr. Levy]Take care.
[Bernadette]My pleasure. You take care as well. Everyone
[Bernadette]out there listening, you take care. And, remember,
[Bernadette]as I said, your health is your wealth.