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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to Movie Crush. Charles W. Chuck Bryant
here in our l A Studios guest producer Doug in
the house. We uh came out here for a trip
and as you all know, when I go to l A,
New York and try and jam as many of these
in as possible. And this is the first of what
will be seven interviews over the next couple of days.
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And today, as I look at the Capitol Records Building
run outside the window, I had the wonderful and charming
and super cool and smart Matt Gorley and Matt I'm
a few years ago at one of the Max Fun cons,
which is where I've met a lot of awesome people.
Matt was in a part of the Super Ego crew
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with Paula Tompkins and Mark mcconvall and Jeremy Carter. One
of the best, for my money, one of the best,
if not the best improv groups that have ever seen.
The guys are great. You should go listen to Super
Ego for sure. Uh, And Matt has a few other
things you should check out. He's a big movie guy.
He has a great show called I Was There Too
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on the Earwolf Network where he he interviews sort of
the uh side characters that pop up in in random movies. Um.
It's really interesting. It's kind of it's kind of cool
because it'll be like a big movie. Um. But then
he'll pick and it's not like the second lead either.
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He'll pick out like the fourth or fifth person on
the call sheet, uh and interview them about their experience,
which is really cool. He also has a great show
called Pistol Shrimps Radio with Martin mcconbell. I'm not even
gonna tell you what that's about. Just go listen to it.
And of course why I had him in here. He
has a great show called James Bonding with Matt Mirra
where he talks about and they talk about their love
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of James Bond. Um, and this is a James Bond special,
Gorley is. He goes deep and his knowledge is vast.
I was very impressed and knew exactly what I was
going to get when I had Matt in here. And
his choice um for his for the Bond special was
Casino Royal, the great relaunch of the franchise with Daniel Craig,
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and boy we really get into it. Great great movie
and Matt knows a lot about all of this stuff,
so it was super fun to have him in here.
So here we go with Matt Gourley on Casino Royal.
Where do you guys live? You're out Pasadena, but it's
right by Eagle Rockets, just over the border. Now. I
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love Passie United. We had um when we lived in
Eagle Rock. Our best friends lived in Pasadena and kind
of like your house. Probably haven't seen the outside your house,
but one of the great old craftsmen and that they
kind of restored themselves. Yeah. Yeah, ours is a little
bit of a runt and it's actually like a mid
century house that they put shingles on, so it's kind
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of a fusion. Really, it's tricky, but you macked it
out on the inside. It's very impressive. I didn't know.
Have you always had those skills or um? I learned
a lot of them in college when I studied scenic
design and stuff. But I had a tiny, tiny little
house on Long Beach that I kind of learned on.
It was a little starter home. And then when I
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got in this one, I'm like, all right, let's go,
let's dive in. It's a badass man, Come hell or
high water, devil be danned. Let's do it. It's funny.
I think I saw you very briefly. It's sketch Fest
a couple of years ago. And introducing my wife and
I was like, Matt's the one from the magazine. She
immediately knew. She was like, all right, the flat walls.
If I go to my grave and people know is
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the plaid walls. Guy, I love it. I'm all about it.
There's a bar in Atlanta now that's um just sort
of they kind of threw back to that Madman style
in a big way, called the Ty can't. I think
now they condor Rocca Club. Think that's name of it.
That's great though. It's such a like a fun place.
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And if you ever get to Atlanta, let me know.
I was just there a couple of years ago. In fact,
when I was working on the house. That's where Amanda
was for two and a half months. Oh she on
a movie, Yeah she was, And I was like sending
her color samples. It was like lost in translation, except
it literally was lost in translation because I'm fairly color
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blind and so what I was sending her doesn't translate
over digital photo. So we neither of us had a
true representation of what we were getting. Yeah, Emily always
laughs at Mike. I don't think I'm color blind, but
she picks up all these subtle tones that I never see. Yeah,
She's like, that's not great, that's blue. Yeah, clearly great.
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I might be who knows a lot of what one
out of four men are really. Yeah, and I imagine
it's on a spectrum it is, and minds not severe
by but yeah, well, you know your plaid, your walls
are plaid. I know. And that's enough. Uh. Where did
you start your life your formative years waity, your California
and Nixonland. Yeah, and uh, I in a place called
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East Whittier, which is like as middle class kind of
you know, like Tim Burton back to the Future home
as you can get fifties tracked homes kind of thing. Yeah,
and stayed there until I went to college. And I
lived in Long Beach for twenty years and then twenty
year and then in the past four years moved to Ally.
So you went to college at Long Beach, Long Beach stay, Yeah,
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twice for grad school and wow, what was your graduate
degree in? It was enacting and directing. My undergrad was
in scenic design. So you were all in. I guess
I went, They're thinking, I'll do graphic design and business
with this practical mindset. I love to draw and that quickly. Well,
my art teacher told me I was seduced by the line.
So I was like, because I like straight more than
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you know, paint necessarily, so I thought scenic design would
be a good way to do acting and art and stuff.
But turns out that was there was a conflict there
to those two departments didn't want you to. Yeah, Long
Beach is pretty great. I love Long Beach. It's it's
not people think of it as just kind of a
I don't know. I mean, it's a big city, it's
a long beach. It really is a long beach and
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it has everything, but there's some parts to it that
are beautiful. Yeah, my I had. The only time I
spent down there was when I lived here. I had
a friend that lived there for a little while, so
I would I went down there probably six right times
to hang with him, and that was my first kind
of overnight exposure because I'd always stay and it was cool.
I loved it. The vibe, it was just you definitely
feel like you're out of l as more laid back
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and kind of relax exactly. And they have this like
great retro scene, and they also have everybody talks about
the Venice Canals, but there's an area they're called Naples,
which has beautiful canals especially Christmas, and all of these
canal houses go crazy for Christmas and do a walk
along the canals or a boat along the canals, and
you see this decoration. It's wonderful. So since you majored
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in that stuff, you were into it into movies from
the get go. Huh yeah, Well, before I was even
into acting or theater, I loved movies specifically, I guess
you know, action in war movies as a boy star.
Wars really did it for me. I saw it in
the theater when I was I must have been four. Yeah,
so how old are you, like, I'm forty seven, and
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I remember seeing it. I think, you know, saw it
five or six times in the theater as a six
year old, and uh man, it just it was. Yeah,
it was a life changing thing. I have more of
an emotional memory of it because I know my parents
have told me we saw it in the theater, so
it was Empire was kind of that for me. Where
I went like for really be just kind of conscious
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of how much I loved it and went to see
it a bunch of times in Jedi too. Yeah. Yeah,
And it's the same for me with Star Wars, like
I remember, I remember going with my brother. But even
those six year old memories are you know, sort of hazy. Yeah,
but yeah, Empire was You're going in as a fan
with expectations, right, And that's the first thing I was
probably a fan of like that, me too. In fact,
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I even remember the food I ate for Empire was.
It was an orange soda and a hot dog. But
because that was a fully formed memory where even I
had anticipation going in, so I knew i'd remember it
because I was looking forward at Star Wars, I was
just being taken to. I had no idea that existed,
you know, yeah, no one did. Yeah. Yeah, those hold
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up pretty well too. Those Yeah have you seen him lately? Yeah,
every now and then I will go back and watch
those first couple. Didn't love Jedi even as a kid, really,
so you yeah, you're you've got two years. I mean
you probably had enough of a critical sense to know
that it had taken a step down. I did a
little bit of a step down. I mean I didn't
walk out of there going that was garbage, you know,
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as whatever. How what year was that one? Okay I
was twelve, but um, but just something felt a little
off to me. Yeah. I always say that one got
grandfathered in because it becomes before my set of critical skills.
So even to this day, I watch it kind of
just like with the joy that I had back then.
That's great, I think I remember it wasn't I wasn't
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like anti e walk or anything. I think I remember
feeling like I liked Luke to not be a badass.
I like the story of him as a kid and
learning how to do this stuff, especially an empire. Yeah,
that was where it all happened. And then once he
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was wearing black and sort of kicking ass, I was
I don't know something about that turning on Right now
that you say that, I feel like I can apply
a little bit of a I don't know, like um
quite sing of that myself where I'm thinking, like, do
I buy even this actor as there's a little bit
of the Lady who Doth Protest too much in his
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portrayal of Luke as a masterfull jet I especially when
Jaba makes pretty Chaba Jabba Jabba how we called it
jab as the kids. You've got me reverting back you
called him Jabba. I think so in hand uh, Jaba
makes pretty quick work of him, you know, when the
mind trick doesn't work on him and all that. Yeah,
I don't want to ruin it. We're going down a
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bad road. I don't want to undo your your love.
What were some of the other big biggas as a kid, Well,
I loved, loved well obviously like Raiders too, you know
those that kind of gets lumped into the same group.
But before we even get to James bond Um, I
loved World War Two movies especially, and then later Vietnam movies.
But me too, oh yeah, oh yeah, Like the first
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my first R rated movie was The Big Red One
that my dad took me to. My dad is not
a movie guy or a movie goer. I've said on
the show before, very famously that the last movie I
think still my dad's a scene in the theater was
the Bo Derek Tarzan film. Oh my gosh, he just
wasn't into it. But I had an older brother. Wait,
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that's not the legend of Gray Stoke or it is?
Is that a none? That was? That was a decent one?
That's right? Yeah? Ok? Yeah the YEAHO. Derek who played
Tarsa in that, I can't just some I think he
was like some big swede. I don't remember actually, but yeah,
so my parents went super into it. But I had
an older brother and um, but my dad did take
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me to the big Red One, and I think that's
where I was like, Man, I think I like warm movies. Yeah,
and they were always on Saturday afternoons on TV, so
like The Great Escape would be on for like four
hours with commercials. Yeah. And then there was this movie
that they showed a lot to this day. In fact,
I even considered pitching it when you asked me to
be honest because it's not a good movie. Well, I'm
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told it's not a good movie. I still see it
as a child, and I love it. It's called Forced
ten from Navaron. It doesn't hurt that Harrison Ford, isn't it. Yeah,
And Robert Shaw and Carl Weathers and Edward Fox and
it's just one of those men on a mission movies
where they you know, drop off bit by sort of
a quasi sequel right through the Guns of Naveri is yeah,
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but it's also it's directed by a Bond director, Guy Hamilton's,
and it has Barbara Back and Richard Keel and Robert Shaw,
all these bonds there is and it you can feel
it in more ways than one. There's something about the
makeup of the whole thing. But I find it to
be an incredibly satisfying movie with all the different character
types and you never hear anything about it. Yeah, I
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bet anybody would watch it now, not having the nostalgia
that I have for would go No. I like that movie.
Do you know the Friendly Fire podcast? Yeah, they covered
that one not too long ago. I gotta listen to that. Yeah,
So it was kind of cool. And in fact, I'm
having those guys in in a couple of days to
do Platoon, which I was watching last night in the hotel.
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Let me tell you it. That was the movie that
shook my world. So it came out when I was
in eighth grade and I saw it six times in
the theater. I was obsessed. We watched it. It was
in college for me, and we watched it a lot.
Or maybe not came out in college, but it was
VHS in college and I mean, I feel like we
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watched that movie twenty plus times. I quoted that, I
had the screenplay, I had the press kit. I was
obsessed with every character's name in that movie. There there
is a Holy Grail line in that film that I
still it's it's vulgar. I don't know how Yeah, yeah,
we can see what we want, Okay, So I'll make
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this story as sure as possible. The character of King
played by Keith David, one of my favorite dudes in
that movies, and he's talking to Charlie Sheen before the
big battle at the end, and he's talking about what
he's going to do when he gets home because he's
leaving Tennessee. Guy, yes, that's right, and he goes, so
forgive my language here, but he goes, I'll be sniffing
the ponds, sniff that cross mountain pussy down by the river.
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And I cannot imagine. And I have asked friends and lovers,
what does that mean? You know what I mean? And
I have had so many different versions. It's like a
litmus test of what you think that could mean, Like
is it mounted degrees? Is it like a Christian cross?
So so much so that I was talking to Jeff
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Davis and Dan Harmon about this, and Dan Harmon was
working with Keith David and we were in text communication
with him. Somebody please ask him what this means. You're like,
I'll finally have the answer, and he answered, and we
were no closer to the truth than he just laughed
on ha ha. The shape. The shape. It still doesn't
make it doesn't make it any well. It does rule
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out the Christian thing, though, unless he means that that's
the shape of the because then we started a whole
another rabbit hole of interpretation. And I apologize for this vulgarity,
but believe me, this is more of an academic quest
then made them it is anything else. And I still
want to know so badly. Is that a phrase? Was
that something you can only have had certainly never heard
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it before or since? Oliver Stone fills That film was
so much non jargon. Yeah, you need a glossary. And
I learned almost everything and I knew what it all meant.
But that is one that alludes me to this day
and probably always will. Yeah, such a great movie. Um,
and I watched like half of it last night and
I'm gonna finish up later today. But I haven't seen
it a long time, so it was coming back to me. Though.
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It's one of those that I know all the lines,
and I thought, was that just me in college loving it?
But I wonder that myself up. Yeah, Yeah, it was
really good and Oliver Stone, as heavy handed as he is, Yeah,
this is it was fun. It works for this film,
and yeah, it's I think my only film of his
that I like his only I think I liked Wall Street.
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I still love Wall Street. Yeah. I never saw that
as a as a young guy. Yeah, I saw it later,
and it's weird that that movie would appeal to a
kid in high school. Yea, my stakes uh world of finance.
I'm just thinking that you're probably going to get people.
Maybe they'll respond to both of us saying this is
what it means and it's going to have certainty. But
we're gonna get eight of those that are not. I'll
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let you know, like, OK, yeah, I'll probably get some
listening manager like, oh well, I'm from Tennessee and it's
a very common colloquialism. He's my dude in that movie though. Yeah, well,
now we're just going to talk about Platoon. I could
have done it. I considered it. The scene with the
heads is just one of my favorite like sequences in
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any movie, when they're in there in that bunker smoking
weed and dancing detracts of my tears. That's right. I
remember when I was younger to being so shocked that
when the shows that shot of Willem Dafoe in there
in the corner, I was like, Wow, the sergeants in there. Yeah,
it kind of surprised me that one of them is
definitely well. And every time we smoked spot a college,
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we've kind of recited that that's your mouth on this.
Let you have a mouth out of this. He was
such a well there was a creepy benevolence to him. Yeah,
no kidding, there's so god. I could talk forever his
whole scene when he's getting shot. And because I'm such
a like a fan of not fan, but I've been
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fascinated by squibs and movies, the blood packs that go up.
There's a famous story about that too, where they had
all these cameras and it was all wide shots and
close ups, and his whole scene was a big one
take thing, and all the explosions and squibs are going
off on the ground and he was wired with squibs,
but they didn't work on him, and you can see
in the movie that he's he's clapping his hand pressing
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they're not working, and then later the wires are He's
let go of the wires at one point just suck
it and pure professional stays with it getting shot, no
squibs going on, and Oliver Stone has said that, like,
I liked it better that way because it was more representative.
It's not literal, and it's clearly just justifying that effects
didn't work and we only had one shot exactly. Yeah,
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something to watch out for. When you get to that point,
you'll see the wire hanging off his arm. Yeah, well
I'll get to that later today because I haven't gotten
that far yet. But I um, another big thing I
love about movies is seeing the the poster shot from
the set photographer, and of course it was from that
that shot and when you see it on the poster
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and then you see it later in the film, it
like comes alive. And I've always kind of been a
big fan of that. Yeah, me too. Yeah, the movie
posters today just are no good little for the most part.
I don't know when that switch happened of let's just
put ten faces in a row, just all dumbed down. Yeah.
I really kind of started with those horror movies in
the nineties when they all adhered to that same kind
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of like that scream scream Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you
had to get Drew Barrymore's face on their right. So
people knew, alright, well, let's start talking bond because we'll
we'll talk bond generally and then we'll it into casino royal. Um,
but where did where did you start? Tell me about
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your journey, your bond journey, my walk? Um. I think
mine started in much the same way that most people's bond,
especially of our generation, and that is with your father,
you know, and uh for me. But you know, okay,
it's pretty common that people come on our podcast, James Bonding,
and they say, my dad introduced me to Bond, um,
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and uh, I don't so much so that I don't
remember when or how. It was just always there because
obviously the franchisees existed well before I did. Um. We
would watch we would either rent them or watch them
on ABC on Friday nights. They owned the rights for
a while, and then I distinctly remember going to the
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theater and three to see Octopusy with him. It was
the first one I saw in the theater. I'm looking
at the list now and that may oh no, no, no,
we'll try to remember theater or not. Because Moonrakers the
first one that really are super remember um because it
was so advanced and futurist and very very much an
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answer to Star Wars very much. So I think I
probably saw that one in the theater um. But Octopusy,
you know, I was twelve, so that was the first
one where I, you know, I was sort of getting
it a little more and the hormones were fully flowing
at that point. The name alone, of course, cross mounted
Octopus down by the river um. So from there, yeah,
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from there it was just my parents had separated, but
they had a very amicable divorce, and my dad looked
very close. So I would go up there to three
times a week to see him, and you know, that
was often that became kind of quality time when my
dad was home. We all had a good relationship, but
he was kind of late home from work and tired,
and so now when I go over there, it was
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time to be spent together. And so we'd either watched
Threes Company on Tuesdays, but like on the weekends, we'd
go to the video store, probably get a couple bond films,
and then he always wanted to get a ski film,
so sometimes that was. Yes, he was a big skier,
so we we often get the skiing bonds, but he'd
also want to get some other random like Hot Dog. Yes,
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exactly that and which talk about a education for a
young man terms of the the wonders of Yeah, that
was one of the great eighties skin flicks. Skin flicks. Yeah,
and that was we just watched that in the house.
You know, I was probably tim Yeah and great, Yeah,
I learned a lot of birds with one stone. That's
exactly right. You have siblings, yes, and I have an
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older sister. But also around that time, my dad started
dating the woman he would marry and agained a stepbrother
was very close to my age two. So we would
watch those movies and kind of look at each other, right, well,
can you believe we're getting away with us? Yeah, Hot
Dog and uh, some of the other ones. I feel
like there is a run on. Yeah, well sort of
boob movies that had skiing about. Some of them are
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hot there I'm just thinking of Hot Dog, but I
don't know. But he also loved those Warren Miller ski
films too, But it was kind of like our compromise
of let's around a Bond movie was skiing and it
so we don't have to get one of these actual
ski documentaries because those would kind of bore us a little.
Though he would get he would go deep. He wanted
to go deep. Did he have an I'd rather be
skiing bumper sticker? I am positive he did. He probably
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didn't put it on his company car, right, but I'm
guaranteed he did. What was what was the Bond one
that had the great ski opening? Oh, there's the spy
who Loved Me with the parachute off the glacier. Yeah, yeah, Okay,
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that's how one's good. And then the great ski ones
are four year eyes only, and then especially on Her
Majesty's Secret Service, which I remember or that's the only
one with George Lason by and remember not knowing that
as a kid and renting that movie because it had
skiing on the cover, and getting halfway through the movie
not really like going, Where's James Bond? James Bond is
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already in the movie well into this movie, but not
knowing Lazonby was Bond thinking like is this a spy?
Like when are we going to see Connery? Where where
is this? Well? Yeah, because back then it wasn't especially
as a kid, it was far less median information than
as a kid you had virtually nothing. Yeah, and if
anything that was kind of like the forgotten redheaded step child,
they kind of buried. And he talked about that and
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what was the deal with Lason Baman and that was
a good movie. Yeah, And and he's just coming around
in the esteem of Bond fans. Are it already has
to be one of the best Bond films And it
was not at the time. People just weren't ready for it.
It's also way ahead of its time in terms of
editing and phaneticism and and that kind of directing style.
So it just wasn't appreciated. And we've talked about this
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on James Bonding. But I go out on a limb
sometimes and say that quantum of solace, will I think
take that same trajectory? Really, yeah, I think it's better
than people will remember. I mean, it's coming on the
heels of Casino Royal, which is tough but it's in
its own right, especially when you watch them back to
back is a really interesting film, and it definitely suffered
from the writer's strike and all that sort of right,
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But I always say that that film is worth a
second watch, you know, a recent watch. Well, this is
reignited my passion to go back and dig into these
again because I've seen I mean, I think i've seen
them all now that I'm looking at the list, but
many of them quite a few times each. Uh. But
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I need to go back and dig into the Connery's
a little bit more, um, because I haven't seen them
as a proper adult. I don't think, Yeah, how long
are you in town? It would be nice to have
you and James bonding? Uh, when do you guys recording?
It's up in the air, but we're not this week.
I'll be back though, Okay, I would love to be one.
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So tell me about the Sean Connery, Like, did you
go back and forth with dad? Yeah? We never had
any sense of chronology. It was always just like what
looks good this weekend? So I think I was as
a kid. I was definitely aware that Connery because my
dad would say that Connery is the classic bond. Yeah,
So I knew he was the first in terms of
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the original franchise, and then I knew Roger Moore was
the current era, and I knew you know, so both
had their lower the classic and the contemporary and their
different styles. So because I grew up in a Roger
Moore era, I'm one of those special people that really
likes Roger Moore. A lot of people that didn't have him. Yeah, No,
I'm with you, man. I think there's there's probably some
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scientific formula one could devise about the bond that was
the bond when you were twice has to be because
I am not ingrained. I'm not the biggest pierced Rosin
fan either. And the people of that, the millennials, for
the most part, I love them, Yeah, and I totally
understand that. Yeah, and objectively looking at the bonds. Um,
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you know Roger Moore. Let's talk about Roger Moore. Okay,
I'll talk all day. He died on my birthday last year.
Are you serious? Oh my god? And I love him dearly.
I love him as a man, as a bond. You
feel like that was meant to happen that way, I
think so. I hope. So because I adore that man.
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He was a saint. I mean, no pun intended. I
really didn't mean, I know, and uh, I just he
did such great charity work. He had such a good nature.
He never took it too seriously. He was so self
deprecating and the like in a dark sense, you know,
where Connery was even you know, involved abouts of domestic violence,
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so was Roger Morban on the Receiving It. So it
just tells you a lot about these two men. And
Roger Moore's wife beat him up, hit him, really these
things at him or something like that. Yeah, but it
that in itself is kind of shows you in a
way how they approached their bonds, because in Moore's early bonds,
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they forced a lot of Connery style stuff where he
would be kind of um, he would mistreat women and
flat out assault them at times, and he was instrumental
and sort of saying like, I don't think this is
my bond, you know, like let's let's step away from that.
And by his later bonds, that stuffs pretty much gone.
Did you read the books? Yes? Yeah, okay. In fact,
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that's part of what will bring me to Casino Royale
and why that movie is so special to me. Is
reading those books too put a pin in that? Yeah? Um,
but the books did the did the character because I've
never read any of the books and stuff. You should
know did a Bond show years ago, but a lot
of that has escaped my memory. Yeah, um, just because
that's how life works. When do you ever listen to
your own podcast to get back up to spear? No,
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not really. I could see where that would come in hand,
you though. Yeah, it's kind of one in one out
at this point with with topics. But I mean there
are shows I fully forgot that we recorded many so many. Um.
But what it was the characterization in the book was
he violent against women and brutish he You know, I
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can't recall any actual violence against like physical violence. But
he is not a good man, and he has not
written necessarily to be a good man. It's not even
that kind of like Connery's Bond has really problematic, but
it's also presented as this is fine. The Fleming novels
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are incredibly problematic, especially in terms of misogyny and racism,
but not to justify it in any way. He's also
presented as a deeply flawed man, not as a model
he's self. His character alone is UM knows that he's
not to a good man. You know, he's deeply flawed, Um,
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but kind of I don't know if he's content to
be that way or what it seems like it a
little bit. So I do find that interesting in the
books that he's sort of a he's strangely simple and
complicated at the same time. And um, it's something that
the movies have only touched on, and really in the
Craig era, but a little bit with Dalton's first film
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and tiny bit with Lace and b as well, where
he's not a superhero. He's kind of a dark person
that you know, there's a reason that they exist in
the shadows, and this is a peek behind that curtain
because it's not meant to be something to idolize. Yeah,
were you reading all the books as a kid? I
read one or two as a kid, but more so
I was into the action element of the movies, and
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so it wasn't until about um ten or twelve years
ago that I really sat down. And I sat down
one once winter and spring and said, I was going
through a particularly tough time, and I thought I'm gonna
read every Shakespeare play because I love Shakespeare. Quickly gave
way to watching every James Bond movie and then I thought,
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I'm gonna read. I'm gonna at least like you've seen
that day. Literally that moment where you were like measure
for measure, fucket coffee table d D. That's what it was.
Because not to go too into detail, I've talked about
this before on James Bonding, but it was it was
I was just really going through a bad breakup and
I had this situation, this wild situation where I could
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take a month off work, and I said, I I'm
either going to have a nervous breakdown or I'm going
to do thirty days of whatever I feel like when
I wake up, And you know, if that's ever possible,
highly recommend it. So I would wake up late, I
would walk to this bar by the ocean in Long Beach.
I would this is horrible, but I would get a
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corn beef sandwich, a deep fried Snickers bar and ice
cream and a Guinness, do the Crossrood puzzle and read
a Fleming book, then go home and watch a Bond movie.
Day after day after day. I knew I could not
live like that. That's so great and the crazy thing.
The only other, um, the only other obligation I was
keeping up was going to the gym, So I thought
I had to counteract this poison. I was pretty sure,
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my boy. But I read every Fleming book that year
and then watched every Bond film, And as as tough
as that time was, I do look back on it
very far. Kid me. It was strange, like seven years
in Tibet, yeah or something. I've never seen that movie,
but that's what I imagine it is. I haven't seen
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it either, actually. Um alright, So back to Roger Moore.
He uh, the dude that we grew up with, so
we were um my indoctrination was you know, karate chump,
and you know he his I look on it very
fondly now, but looking back, like his uh athleticism and
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and pros was limited. Yeah, he's a bit of a dandy.
And I say that in like with full admiration. Yeah,
but it worked though. I never doubted for a second
that he was James Bond and that he could kick
all the ass that he needed to in his own
you know popish way, even into view to a kill
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where he's fifty seven, Is he really and he's that
explains a lot. Yeah, and he's just full on fighting,
you know, really tough dudes, and it's not a problem.
Yeah if you do a kill, I know you said
that would have been your second pick as far as
just sort of a fun one to talk. Yeah, because
it's you know, one that people regard as one of
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the worst, but I find some of the worst Bond
films to be some of the best. It's the middle
of the road ones that I really can't get into,
like what Tomorrow Never Dies? Tomorrow Never Dies? It's okay,
Pierre the second one, right, it's my least favorite one
solely because it commits the sin of just normalcy, Like
it's a very formulaic. A lot of people take issue
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with this, and I fully understand. That's the lovely thing
out Bond is. You know, everybody's opinions are a d
percent valid because there's so many to pick from. So
I would never try to convince anybody else that this
isn't a good Bond film. But for me, it is not.
It's boring and melodramatic and the bad way, and I
you know, I don't love it. Yeah, I mean Pierce bros.
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And for me, it was the sort of the obvious
way to go. I think. Didn't he originally almost play him?
Yes he did. He was cast and then his Remington's
Steel TV contract took him back in the eleventh hour,
and so that's why Dalton ended up in it, right,
So they eventually went back to him. And when I'm
looking at the list here, Golden Eye, I mainly remember
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because I played the insect and for experience. Yea, that
movie is pretty pretty decent. I remember being okay, but
I don't. I don't have like solid memories of and
I remember sort of enjoying them, but I'm looking at
the other ones. World is not enough another Day. None
of them stand out to me now in my mind. Yeah,
and people can't wrap their heads around this most of
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the time. But Die another Day maybe my favorite of
the Bros New movies because it is dumbest ship. It
is crazy, it is stupid, but like View to a Kill,
at least there's something to latch onto there. What was
the plot? Oh god, Bond is captured in North Korea
for years and then traded for a spy. He's got
diamonds in his face from an explosion, but that this
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other the guy who captured him as a North Korean
general who's using DNA replacement therapy to change himself into
a white British man. And then halle Berry's in there, right, Yeah,
that's the and they were going to do a spinoff
movie that's right for a little while. And this is
the one with the invisible car as well. So that's
a lot of shark jumping in this one. Well, I
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think in I don't want to get into casino rail
just yet, but I think that's one of the things
I did love about it was the simplicity of the plot. Yeah,
it was very just very straightforward. Yeah, a lot of
it is about the card game. Yeah. Um, but back
to Roger Moore before we move on, because we also
have to talk about Timothy Dalton for a minute. But um,
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Moonraker for me was my first big one, like I said,
because it just in looking back on that it does
not age well, but futuristic thing that it seems so
advanced to me at a time as a kid. And
it was a huge hit. Yeah, the biggest one, I
want to say, up until die another day maybe, Like
it was a huge hit for a long time. That
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was the one to beat Yeah, it was the one
for me for sure, and um, Jaws of course was
one of like. I feel like the villains obviously are
just as important in all these films, and it's hard
to it's hard to beat. I feel like there used
to be a villain and then a great secondary villain
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too in most of these. Yeah, typically a henchman of
some kind. But do you mean another villain? No? No, no,
like the henchman like Draws was the henchman for who was?
I don't remember the main Batty and Moonraker. Now you
go Drags, Okay, Michael Lonsdale, you go Drags. I'm actually
gonna look. He's super dry, He's I love him in
the movie you go Drags. Oh sure, he looks like
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Peter Dinklage a bit. Yes, people have seen that before
he does. He's like Dinklage. Okay, I remember him. Now
I'm looking at him in his futuristic space suit. Yeah. Um.
But then for your eyes only an octopusy ah to
me came in the theater. But then I also went
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back and discovered you know, the truly great Roger Moore
movies To Live and Let Die. It's by who Loved Me?
Really really great movie. It's one of my favorite. Yeah,
me too. I don't know what it is. It's such
an oddity. It's really just a blaxploitation film wrapped around
a James Bond it is. Yeah, I think that's why
I like it. And the setting was so cool and different,
and George Martin did the score, so it oh, you know,
(37:00):
with Paul McCartney doing the theme song is kind of
a strange Beatles influence on which is that makes everything better? Yeah?
And yeah, had Kodos the villain and ton of henchmen
in that movie too, there's a whole gaggle of him. Yeah.
And it just had that um for a Bond movie
like to dabble into, like I remember it was like voodoo, Yeah,
the occult and voodoo. Yeah, it was very cool as
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far as I know. It's the only Bond movie that
actually has a supernatural bent to it because they kill
a character, Barren Samity, who in the end of the
last shot of the movie is riding on the front
of the train laughing like he never dies, you know.
And so it's yeah, it's really something. Uh spy who
loved Me? Great um for your eyes only, Great octopusy
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doesn't hold up as well for me now I saw it,
not too like within the last five or so years. Um,
Faberge egg right, that's right. Yeah. I think it's because
it's my first in the theater and it was also
on K A Ton of Sam with You to Kill.
These two movies are just in my DNA at this point.
My child, when they're born, will start speaking languages and go,
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why do I know about Faberge Eggs, saying like and
yo yo sablades. I've never even seen this movie. Oh
that's good. Um man, I can't believe he's fifty seven
and beat It will Kill? I know, and that he
was forty five when he started. He's two years older
than Connery, not when he starts just as men. Yeah,
(38:33):
oh yeah, So Connery in Diamonds are forever his last
Bond film. I forget how old he is, but when
when Live and Let Die came out of shot, More
was forty five. I think Connory is forty three, but
Connery looks a good ten years older than him. It's crazy. Yeah,
so he started when he was how old forty five?
Roger Moore is a really interesting choice there, yea, um yeah,
(38:57):
that does explain a lot though, and a beaut It
kills just bond it's crazy, I mean, Christopher Walkin and
Grace Jones. Yeah, it's one of the better theme songs though. Yeah,
for sure. Yeah, the Duran Duran song. Yeah, uh and
I thought that, Um, well, I'll hold that for Risina Royale,
but Dalton, the Dalton Year to Yeah. Well, two films,
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which is what License to Kill and Living Daylights? What
do you think of those? I like them for the
most part, especially considering what they were trying to do.
Living Daylights is pretty good. It sort of feels like
trying to get back to reality and be a little
more fleming. But they never fully commit. So it has
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some of the problems that the Brosens do, where they're like,
I want to have this kind of camp be jokey thing,
but then I expect you to take me really seriously
when the time comes right, it doesn't quite work. It's
hard to sort of live in both of those worlds. Yeah,
And I think that's why the More and the craig
Eras are probably my favorite, because they really understand what
they are. They commit the most to going to each extreme.
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I think, yeah, well, let's start talking Casino Royale, because, um,
I remember being knocked out when I saw in the theater,
but I don't know that I had seen it since
until two days ago when I watched actually yesterday, and
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I know it was like rediscovering it all over again.
And they really did the smartest thing they could have
possibly done with a reboot, I guess, or you know
it's a reboot. It's Bond. It really is, though, but
you're they started fresh with um Bond in his early career,
getting his double oh status and really kind of throughout
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imagine a lot of the hardcore fans were upset about
some stuff they were prior to the movie. There was
a whole I'm sure you've probably heard of this. There's
a whole Craig not Bond side, like you can't have
a blond Bond. And I had seen Munich a bit
beforeward Daniel Craig's in it. In the minute I saw
that was like, No, this guy is gonna be amazing.
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It's gonna be great. And I'm proud to say I
was on the right side of history from you, because
all those people were eating crow. You're like, I voted
for Donald Trump, but I got Craig Right, well, I
think I got Trump right too. Um, but like you know,
no money penny, no queue, no bond theme, uh until
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to the end. Yeah, so that's some ballsy stuff, right, Yeah,
I throw all that stuff out temporarily at least. Yeah.
And they the production company on films that did all
of these, didn't have the rights to Casino Royle for years.
So that's why you never saw it as a film. Um.
Because it was Fleming's first book. He had sold it
off to someone else separate from the rest of the books.
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He finally got it back. And the books don't really
feature moneypenny or que. They're just not like they are
in the movie. That was sort of a movie thing. Yeah,
they're in there. Well moneypenny is um and uh, but
it's just became a trope throughout the film that um
casino or I was really about getting back to the book.
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So the book, though it's interesting, The book itself is
just really the poker tournament and the ending um with
the and the torture. But the beginning and the ending
of the movie are not really in the book. But
they did a good job of tacking on the first
act of that film is just out of thin air,
and it really kind of fits in there. Yeah, And
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I mean it seemed like the it seemed like there
was nowhere else, there was no other decision but this
one um where the franchise was. You couldn't just it
felt like a time when we were getting a little
more savvy as filmgoers where you couldn't trot out another
nod in a wink Bond and you I think the
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Born movie had come out already exactly, which established a
little bit more like I remember saying at the time, like, man,
this is what James Bond should do, right, like be
a real bass kicker. Yeah, that's in the real world,
and the things are pretty much believable. Still way over
the top of the action sequences, but you can kind
of almost buy everything in this movie. Yeah. The Bond
franchise is always done two things typically anyway, and that
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is go crazy, go like, spend four films getting to
the craziest point and then self corrected four or five. No, Yeah,
you're right. So like if you look at Connery's you know,
those last films are crazy, and then it gets real
serious with Automatch, Secret Service, then into Roger Moore. You
get to view to a kill or actually you get
a Moon Raker, which is bonkers. Then it goes to
four year Eyes Only, which is really scaled down, and
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then Dalton starts seriously, Golden Eye starts pretty seriously, Die
in other Days crazy, and then it goes back to
the most serious casino reale. But also the franchise has
always taken whatever is hot at the time and worked
it in somehow. So usually it's something that's worked into
the plot, like Kung Fu into a Man with a
Golden Gun, or Black Exploitation and Live and Let Die,
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Star Wars and the Moonraker. In this case, it was
the Born films into Bond, and also the reboot of
Batman Begins, I think had a lot to do with
this as well. Oh interesting those films, the Nolan films
and the Craig Era really share a lot of back
and forth because you know, I think you're taking a
lot from what The Dark Knight did in Skyfall, and
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at the same time, Nolan took a lot of stuff
from Bond, like the inception that whole snow base at
the end of Straight out of Honor Magagy's Secret Service
and Dark Knight Rises when they capture the plane and
turn it upside down and drag it along and straight
from license to kill. It's interesting give and take, and
it doesn't seem like thievery. It just feels like two
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franchises paying homage to each other or saying like, I
like what you did there. Nolan will ever get in
the director's share. He's it's been, he's talked with them
about it, and he's expressed his interest. Yeah, he wanted
it would be interesting. Tom Hardy has bond at one
point apparently. Yeah, I've I've heard the calls for that.
I mean, he would certainly be a great bond. Yeah,
but I feel like he's kind of doing that stuff
(45:11):
a lot lately. Yeah, and you kind of have to
start him young these days age to go for a while, well,
because Craig was a bit older, right he was I
think he was thirty eight maybe when he started. Yeah, yeah,
m that kind of fits. So although he is starting
out his career as a double low at that age,
is that realistic? God? I don't know, but yeah, you
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don't want a bond that's too young to seem too
you gotta he's got can't have a bond in his twenties.
He's gotta be weathered. Yeah, yeah, there needs to be
a bit of gravitas going on there. Um, But this
one opens up with that. I mean, I feel like
it was a message of like, this is not you know,
your Dad's bond with that just brutal black and white sequence. Yeah,
(45:55):
it's so violent and real, and viscerrole is just like
it was looking awesome, I know. And this movie came
out in that month when I was doing my or
that year month. Yes, that's right, And I remember being
anticipating it so much because I had read the book
and liking the trailers I was seeing, and then I
sat down in the theater that opening night and that
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opening sequence with the black and white, and it was
just like I've arrived. It's so rare in a movie
where you actually feel like this movie is so good
already that I don't even know what to do, Like, right,
I was already like when am I going to see
this again? Yeah? I know, And it kept delivering, and
then you get to the title sequence and it's not
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a bunch of naked girl silhouettes, which was another turn,
you know, So it was really taking some risks. Yeah,
it was a big deal. It was. It was clearly
a message, very intentional, a message like, here's what we're doing.
Because we're starting over literally and metaphorically where where he's
the beginning of his career. It's going to be much
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more rounded in reality. We're gonna have a bond that
feels pain and show some emotion and isn't winking at
the camera and isn't I mean, this movie certainly has
some some romance, but it's not the bond that's just
sleeping his way through you know, Europe um. And that
was kind of the smartest thing they could have ever done,
(47:21):
was exactly what they did. I know. And the humor
is I people find the movie to be a little humorless.
I don't. I find the humor to be appropriate. Was
the humor give me a joke? Well, okay, I feel
like I remember a couple of things. Yeah, um, well,
like when m is on the beach after Solange is
dead in the hammock like something about emotion but that's
(47:44):
not really a problem with you, and he just goes Noah,
you know, or um the vesper and he have some humor.
The little Swiss accountant that comes with the suitcase, Um, Oh,
the best humor of all is when he's being tortured
and going, you know, I have a little itch can
got It all feels very character based for me, Like
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like I think I had that problem with the Last Jedi.
Did not find the humor was too winky and too
dependent on the audience knowing tropes of the time where
you look at Empire strikes back and it's all humor
coming from one character to another. And I'm not a
big fan of the one liners and Bond I like
him in the more era. But that's what I loved
(48:25):
was I didn't miss those in this movie, and I
thought the humor was situational and really worked for me. Yeah,
I know, it's pretty dark film. It is um which
is good though since tried to really work that back
in for Craig and I don't. I don't think that's
his forte. I think he should. He's sticking to this
casino royale type stuff. Yeah, agreed. Um. So the song
(48:45):
I actually like a lot. I mean they're sort of
I think we're in an era now with music where
I don't know if we're going to get any more
like iconic Bond songs. But when I was listening to that.
I was a big Sound Garden fan. It's like, hey,
this is actually a pretty good song. Yeah. Um, Chris,
what was it called you Know my Name? Yeah? Yeah,
it's a good song. I love it. A lot of
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people have problems with it. I don't. I think it's
perfect for this movie. Just the lyric passage alone, you
know my name? It doesn't matter who I am? You
know who I am? Yeah, And that became the score
yes throughout the film, which is my favorite thing in
a Bond movie when the composer has something to do
with the theme song and those are woven together and
it's something that they've given up in the in they
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haven't done it in quite a while until this film.
And then David Arnold composed the first two Craigs and
then it's been, um, Thomas H. Newman, Thomas Newman, and
he doesn't really do it. He got a little as
Skyfall in there. But because you mean Randy Newman, just
the double loop everywhere I could go, that's not even his,
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I know, but it's totally it's totally worked. I'm with you.
Uh So then you know the other thing, you have
the eight black and white sequence right out of the
gate and then you know, Bond films are known for
their first big action sequence, and this one, the parkour chase,
is bonkers. It's it's the best action sequence in my
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my eyes. Ever, I agree, man, it's bananas because and
I don't think I realized until they saw it again.
They start on the ground and uh eventually scale all
the way up to the top of this construction site
and then all the way back down for no other
reason than they like, all right, here's what we gotta do.
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Every time I watched this, I'm blown away by new things.
First of all, the direction is not at all flashy,
but it is so crisp and clean, and you always
know exactly where you are. And somehow this thing that
is pure action entertainment also manages to fully develop his
character within the space of going up at building and down.
When when the parkour guy is all elegantly leap frogging
(50:56):
through little holes, he's bursting through drywalls. Yeah, that look
that he's brutal. Well, he knows he can't. He sees
from that that very very beginning, with that very first
fence jump, he knows he's outmatched um athletically by this guy.
Yeah by this this, you know, and I think this
was the first time maybe I've seen Parkour like that. Yeah,
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I mean too, and I was just like, holy shot, amazing.
He's like a gazelle. And and that's usually something that's
reserved for the hero to be the the specialist. And
it's rare that your hero is the like he says
himself in his blunt instrument, you know, he's just like,
don't think, don't look back, just keep moving. And it's
the same thing. Whenever he has keys or cell phones,
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he just tosses them. He doesn't look back. He's he's
a psychopath in this movie. He really is. And it's
such an interesting take on Bond that was so refreshing.
And that was another moment where I'm like, it was
actually the moment that crystallized for me in the theaters
when they're on top of the crane, which the stunt
work on that is mind blow. Yeah, and it's all real.
And the bomber Malacca, yeah, throw tries to shoot him
(52:01):
out of bullets, throws the gun at him and he
just catches it. And yeah, he does back. There's something
I learned recently that they had in that little scene
that they cut which was brilliant and now I can't
remember what it was. Ah, damn. Well. Well the the
other thing too, that which is very early in this movie,
(52:25):
and that chase scene where you see Bond just in
that one little shot shake it off where he falls
and he's just like he literally doesn't really. Yeah, And
that's the first I think that's the first time in
any Bond movie I've seen to make knowledge like, damn,
this is this is tough. Yeah. And his scars remained
with him through halfway through the film. Yeah, his cuts
(52:45):
and bruises. Yeah. So I mean, just and is there
anything more Bond than like facing off thirty guys with
machine guns and winning, Yeah, and somehow still feeling relatively believable. Yeah,
because he end up at the embassy and uh, it's
just such a great scene. And and throughout the chases
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there's always you always see that moment where the guy
is just doing his jack Rabbit thing and Bond like
takes a second to be like, fun, man, I don't
I got to, but can I. Yeah, Like you see
him contemplating like I might die if I try this thing,
but I have to. It's just like that, Yeah, to him,
it's like winning is more important than analyzing a situation. Well,
(53:28):
there's yeah, a lot of ego exactly right. Yeah, he's
a flawed egomaniac and that's very fleming, you know. He
really he just he can't lose to these villains, like
he just he just he despises them, and he losing
to them means like it's more important to win beat
them than to really complete the mission for king or country, right,
(53:52):
or queen or country. I guess it would have been yeah, yeah,
for sure. I think there's a a little scorecard that
he's keeping, Yeah, in his brain. It's not like, yeah,
one for gods save the queen, right, like I beat
this guy, yes at this game. Uh. And then we
meet our villain in this which is what's his name,
Mad's Milkison, Mad's Michelson Nicholson, who is a great Bond villain. Yeah,
(54:18):
it's got the face he cries blood, which is a
great thing to just throw in there. That's from the
movie The Inhalers, from the book. Oh really Yeah, so
he kind of has two interests back then, I guess. So, yeah,
it's crazy, that's yeah, it's in there. Yeah, because that
gave him a slight flaw, Um, and then of course
(54:38):
allowed Bond to put a was that like a tracker
in there? Yeah, and he was a villain. I think
people underrated at first, probably because they didn't know who
the actor was. It was originally going to be Um Bruno.
Gans Do you remember him? He played Ler in that
movie The Last Days. I think ye, yeah, because in
the book also, Lachief is kind of like a bigger
(55:00):
I'm more like a gold Finger. Okay, yeah, but they
weren't kind of sleek, and I love mad Michelson and
he's so understated and so they're seeing the torture scene.
The acting in that scene will get to it. But yeah,
but the plot of this is just, like I said before,
so clean, and it's you know, he's he's financing terrorism
and he it's it's all about needing money to pay
(55:24):
a dude losing money and like this card game, like
it's not convoluted at all, Um, Like some of like
you were talking about Beauty a Kill, I mean, I
feel like some of the movies have gotten convoluted here
to where I didn't like in the in the theater,
you're kind of like, wait, wait, what's going on here,
but this one's so easy to follow, and they just
(55:44):
make it very clean and simple, which I appreciated. Yeah, agreed. Uh,
Judy Dench coming in is m brilliant casting choice. And
I guess was that a thing with fans where they're like, what,
you can't have a woman well or was it full support?
Well she was M in Brosnan's era, and I wait, well,
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she's the only thing that makes this continuity strange because
it's the only thing that actually lends itself to continuity
where this is a full reboot. She's still M. I
forgot that she was in the Bronzen. Yeah, but it's
just it's just one of those suspension of disbelief things
like don't worry about it, you gotta just go with it,
And so people try to connect it all the time
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and try to make sense, like James Bond is a
code name that is given to different operatives. It's just
all this. You're doing more work than you need to.
I think it is what it is. But she I
think they knew that they were updating, but that you can't.
You can't give away Judy Dench, you know, like just
throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you have
Judy Dench, you've got a game for She's amazing in
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these films. She's really great in this role and she's
the best thing about the brosen in films for my
money too. She plays it very real and I love her.
And that's another reason I love Quantum of Solace. She's
used pretty l in that film too. Yeah. Obviously Skyfall too, Yeah, boy,
sky Fall was great. Yeah. Um. We we get a
quick cameo from Richard Branson, yes, which I definitely do
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not remember, because I mean, I'm sure I knew who
he was back then. But the camera even like swings over.
It looks like a pan and scan. I know, I've
noticed that same thing too. It's not a natural camera move,
but it's it's it's very strange and I even rewound.
I was like, wait a minute, did I just see
what I thought I saw? Yeah? Uh, do you know
the story there? Was? That just I don't really other
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than a favor, yeah, probably just a member of the
British Empire, and like the Bond is so steeped in
the upper class, so weird prestige of England. There's a
few cameos. If you look in this movie. Really here
deep dives. But um, one of the women at the
first poker game and another woman at the second poker
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game are bond like lesser tiered bond girls from Connery films.
Really yeah. So there's a woman at this Junkanoo party
and Thunderball. That's um, she has a couple of lines
and she's at this first poker I think she actually
because that was shot in the Bahamas, and then these
scenes were shot in the Bahamas, and I want to
say that she lives in the Bahamas and they used
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her both times. Something like that. I forget. But dude,
your knowledge is just astounding, frightening. It's really great. It's
a waste of human space, exactly what I was hoping for.
The tanker truck sequence, um great, yeah, I know. God
again there Like it's almost Spielbergian and it's like causing
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effect kind of the way it's laid out in the
direction of it. And Martin Campbell is an undersung director
because he did Golden Eye. At this he really got
two actors started off with their best footing and it's
just so simple. You never noticed the direction of this
movie unless you're panning and scanning to Richard Branson, but
I somehow feel that wasn't his fault. Sure I didn't
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forget that little bit, but you just don't, you know.
He he does the from my money, like aside from
certain a tour directors like a Kubrick or something where
you go to watch the director. More than anything, your
job is to make the movie work. And I'm never
thinking about direction in this movie. Only like my twentieth
time watching this did I finally start to go this amazing.
It's so simple. It doesn't call attention to itself or anything. Yeah, well,
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which is also why, like I was just reading, I
did not know this, but that Tarantino had wanted to direct,
and I'm just like, yeah, you can't do that. You cannot,
you know. And it'll be interesting to see what Danny
Boyle does with it. That's he's the next one, and
he's so do I Yeah, I'm I'm optimistic about it.
But he does have a real style, and when you
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get a flashy director in there, it doesn't always work.
Die Another Day has a lot of that speed ramping,
and you know, and it's just like also even by
that point that was passe and they're still putting it
in you know, yeah, so we'll see yeah for sure. Uh.
So he he saves the plane from being blown up.
That great sequence. Oh actually here's here's was a joke
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is when Bond gets the injection after just getting his
ass beat through the whole movie so far, and just
goes out. Yeah. Also when he bests that bomber and
he blows up and you just he's getting handcuffed and
he kind of looks up and smiles. Yeah. Yeah, because
I I didn't see that one coming actually. Um And
in fact, I think yesterday when I rewatched it, I
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wasn't sure how that sequence ended, and I thought, is
this guy going to get away? For a second, like
I kind of forgot that I was watching a Bond movie. Yeah,
it was like, of course he's not going to get away,
but I tricked myself into thinking, like, wait a minute,
what happened here the movie? Does that? Uh? In any
any action sequence with big trucks is always very impressive. Yes,
the driving of big trucks. Yeah, well you should check
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out License to Kill because there's a whole big rig
sequence in that of Mexico. Yeah. Yeah, I need to
go back and watch all these again. Um and then
of course M's line about him being emotionally attached, even
though like I think you can kind of tell that
in that scene that he feels bad about Solange. Yeah,
and he hasn't developed his um you can call it
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defensiveness towards women or hatred of women until the end
of this movie, and there's a reason for that. It's
another thing that I love about this movie that gives
it sets up why Bond is essentially a horrible misogynist.
Not to justify what he is, but he he's massively
betrayed by a woman he loves, and it doesn't give
him a right to do that, but it just shows
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how flawed he is, you know. And yeah, I I
agree he sees solaging that hammock and he's he's defending
himself from his own emotions. And this is the first
time that I ever remember thinking like, there's a level
of depth to this character that I've never seen before,
very rarely, and Craig does that in the script, does that.
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And there's even some ambiguity to this film that you
do not get in a Bond film, and that is
that they don't fully explain Vesper's intentions, and you find
out a little bit more on Quantum of Solace, but
just that you walk away from a Bond movie talking
about the plot not in a way of like what happened,
but more in like do you think it was this?
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Or this? And it's actually interpretive in a way, which
you love in a in a movie when it's intentional,
like you know, you have like a show like Lost,
where it's meant to make you guess but only to
frustrate you. This is one of those things where I
do think there's a there there. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Uh and when when Eva Green or Eva Green, I'm
not sure he pronounce it dealer's choice. Okay. Eva Green
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comes into the picture again, breaking from the tropes in
the norm she from the very beginning is is equal
in wit and and smarts, and they very much like,
which was just a great way to go. I think, Yeah,
she's amazing. She's my favorite Bond actress and character. Yeah,
you can't even call her Bond girl because she's not. No,
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she's a woman. And yeah, that that's another trope that
is thrown out in this series of films, which is
definitely for the better. Yeah, and they meet up with um,
what's the extra's name the great Uh yeah, yeah, he's
great and as their contact, of course, would later betray him.
And this is when you get to the really sort
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of the poker section of the movie, and he doesn't.
You think he betrays him, but he doesn't. Right, we'll
put a pin in that because and I think I
need some explanation at the ending. Um, and I forgot
to mention we had already met Mr White briefly, yes,
at the beginning, who, whether they intended to or not,
will play a major role throughout all of Craig's trajectory
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and three of the four films. Okay, so um, the
poker section I feel like is there's a lot of
the meat of this movie, but it never feels like
it slows down because they managed to work in between
the games these great sequences. It's amazing. That's another thing
with the direction is how they made what I think
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is probably close to thirty to forty minutes of poker time.
Yeah exciting. Well yeah, well they do it in two ways.
There's the one break where they um where he ends
up not saving the bad guy but taking care of
the dudes that are trying to get the money the
terrorists uh, and then we get a very different kind
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of shower scene. I felt that was very purposeful. Like
you've seen Bond with all these but shower and bedroom scenes,
but now here's one where he's comforting a woman. Yeah,
no sensuality, only care, only care, But like it feels romantic,
like there's an undercurrent there, definitely, but but a good one. Yeah. Um,
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you never get the sense like any minute now, like
they're going to throw their clothes off. There's a funny
story about that too, where you know where he symbolically
cleans her the blood off her hands by licking her fingers. Yeah,
it was very sensual, very sensual. But they shot him
licking every single finger and as it came out and
they looked at it like this just gets creepy. So
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if you look really closely, there's a digital moreph where
they track they cut up, don't cut her figures out right,
cut him going from the first to the last. So
they get on with it, because I would imagine if
you watched every finger being looked like a popsicle, it
was still to get a little bit like, hey, this
is a shattered woman right now, like take it easy. Yeah,
I'm curious I'd love to hear that meeting, like fingers,
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can you suck on without being a creep? They're like,
okay too, let's lamed on two. So they have that
sequence and then the poisoning sequence interspersed through the poker
and that's what really kind of breaks everything up. Yeah,
and that one's great man named Bond almost dies, I know,
and then Vesper actually saves him with a defibrillator, so
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she's given some agency to and yeah, and the book
it's they're playing baccarat, they're not playing to hold them.
They had to update that. I think they thought how
no one does. And uh I think also Texas hold
Him was hugely popular at this time too, and it
was a smart understand it. Yeah, but he I mean,
I think that's the first one of the first times
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I remember Bond fully being saved by someone else like
or he would have died. Yeah, it happens a couple
of times, even once by a Bond girl in the
very ending, but not quite like this. And then the
humor there when he comes around, he goes, you are right, Yeah,
it's there. The humor is there. It's just not like
whacky and I love it. And he's so smooth when
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he leaves, like he he knows immediately what's happened, but
he can't give himself away, so he gets the hell
out of there really fast, so no one sees what's
going on. And um, and she's like, you know, this
is this is we gotta get you to hospital, or
I think they say on the phone to the hospital. Yeah.
He's like, okay, I can't wait to watch this again.
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And he's going right back in there to finish because
again because the ego which she calls him on at
that point. Yeah, and then he's brutal to her verbally,
you know, saying your bloody stupid then and she yeah.
But then when you know the whole plot of the movie,
you realize she's not really calling him out for his ego.
She maybe, but she's doing it because she wants him
to lose, because if she if he doesn't loose, he
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will she will likely he will likely be killed, like
other measures will have to be taken. And if you
don't know at that point, you know. And so this
movie really rewards you on a second time through, not
in the sixth sense sort of way where you're just like, oh,
look at that they're never really looking at each other ever,
just in that when you know her motivation from the beginning,
it's really it holds up to a second viewing because
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the choices she's making work both ways. And it's fascinating
how they do it. They play it pretty close to
the vest, but it's there. Yeah, yeah, agreed. Uh. And
of course there is the one the one time they
indulge a bit of a cheeky bit, uh, was when
he says comes back in and says that last and
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nearly killed me. Yes, And that's kind of the only
time I remember thinking like this is sort of a throwback,
is a bit of a tip of the cap to
these kind of corny lines. Yeah, uh, And I was
fine with it. Yeah that that. If that's as far
as you're gonna go, you're okay, because most of them
are actually turns on the trope, so like give me
a martini shaking or certain goes, dude, do I look
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like I give a damn? His characters supersedes the one
liners and that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Um,
And you know, before this bond had lost, UM eventually
gets learned that Jeffrey Wright is c I A Yeah,
and so oh yeah, he's great. Do we look like
we needed oh yeah, looking like they what what was
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the line? He says something like when they make the
deal CIA to fund him, he goes one one thing,
if you get him, we get to bring him in right,
And then Bond says something about the money, do we
look like we need it? Yeah? It's the United States? Yeah,
And then he finances that final all in hand, and
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they do a little bit of misdirection here because La
Schief has aces over six and you're and I was
thinking even yesterday because I forgot how it ended. I
was like, well, Bond has aces over eights, and that's
how he's gonna win. And then it turns out he
has the straight flush, which I did not see coming um,
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And I don't know, I'm sure that was pretty intentional,
I guess. So you know Mark mcconbell and my friend
Mark McConnell, Yeah, he's he's likes poker quite a bit,
and I remember him coming out of that movie and
that was his beef from that that he actually, according
to Mark, I've never been able to fully pass this.
But according to Mark, Bond one by luck, and he
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didn't like that. He wanted him to winded him. Yeah,
and I still can't tell how well I know how
to play Texas hold him back. I know a little
bit follow enough to know the same here. But I'm
also okay, And I was a little bit like, you're
missing the point here, Mark, and I love you Mark,
and we've talked about this ourselves, so I'm not telling
tales out of school. And are you guys okay? We'll
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talk about it again now. He may be right, though,
That's the thing. I just don't think the filmmakers, whether
they made that as a deliberate choice, are expecting you
to go that far along with it. Mark is a
good poker player, so he's probably watching that sort of
thing like I wasn't, you know. Yeah, but maybe it
was because earlier Bond um La Chief won by luck, remember,
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and that's when Bond figured out to tell he was like,
you know, but you lost, and he was like yeah,
but he just he got lucky with that card. So
I wonder if that was just a and then then
Bond wins sort of by drawing. Yeah, I'm not sure myself.
That's I think. Don't look too hard, Yeah, it's it's
it's great. He won, and Bond is so satisfied in
that moment, like the ego is fully fed because all
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he wanted to do is beat him at cards, which
is great and not look like a fool in front
of Vesper. Yeah, exactly. So then we kind of, um
come up on the ending when there that that inner
in the empty restaurant, like sort of an after hours
sort of thing going on there. This is right, all
of this is right out of the book. And when
I saw this too, it looked exactly like I imagine. Yeah,
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so that was set up in the book that way
a bit. The restaurant. Yeah, they go to the little
table and in an empty casino restaurant, And I love
that they stayed so faithful to you. They really do.
Once that this like second or the middle part of
the movie is really very similar. Yeah. Well at that
scene she she asked him about being bothered by all
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the killing, and again he's exploring his inner self. Um,
and we see him as like a real man, which
you don't often see Bond ads. So again just sort
of busting the myth uh or not the myth, the
mythos that they had set up over the years. Uh.
And I think in that scene. You know, I really
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like bring it Home, and I think she's clearly falling
in love with him. Yes, that feels that's totally real,
and him too. And then this is an they're seeing
that if you watch it after having seen the movie,
when they talk about the necklace and her sort of
you can tell that she's falling in love. And now
for the first time, she's probably thinking, do I not
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go through with this thing that I'm being blackmailed into doing,
like now I have two men that I love that
I'm which she's probably thinking, I'm gonna lose lose situation,
you know, all right, so help me explain. It's hard
for even me a little bit because it did. It
wasn't convoluted, but I just wasn't fully understanding everything. So
she had a former lover, yeah, which you don't know
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at this point in the movie that they explained later
is that she had a she has a lover, a
boyfriend named Yusef who Um sorry Quantum, which you don't know.
It's quantum. Mr White's people have taken him and kidnapped
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him and are blackmailing her because she's with the Treasury
Department to throw this So La Chief can get his money,
but hold on. So what you don't know is that
Usef is part of the scam. And you find this out,
I can't remember that the end of this movie or
the next movie. So she's thinking, right now, I have
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to That's why she doesn't want to give Bond the
second round of money. She's there in the first place
to do this thing. She's been ordered to do by
her government, so she asked to. But she doesn't want
to give him the second amount of money because she
wants the Chief to win and she'll get her boyfriend back,
and yes, terrorism will have been funded, but all of
this will theoretically go away. Bond is the wrench in that,
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and not only that, but also she falls in love,
so it's a huge wrench that way. And so when
they get to the torture scene, she she as sure
as Bonds released, that's why he's killed. She cuts a deal. Yeah,
and then that's when she knows she's basically doomed too.
She just has to get them this money and know
she's going into her death. That's why she all right,
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even though he has a chance to save her, she
feels so guilty. That's why she kills herself. Yeah, and
that I mean that torture scene. That's something that we
had never seen as a bond that literally exposed, you know,
naked tied to a chair with the seat bottom cut out, Um,
so he could just get his balls and abuse straight
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out of the book. Is it really? And I think
a lot of people were thinking, like, they'll never put
this in the movie. They'll do something different, you know,
it'll be like a computer syringe tech torture thing or something. Yeah. Yeah,
this is medieval. I mean even in the bowels of
this ship with a thick rope. It's a carpet beater
in the book, like like almost like what I imagine
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a cricket bat to be where you would hold or
like a I don't know if it's a wired thing
or what, but yeah, but there's still a hole in
the chair and the balls. It's crazy, man, it's brutal. Yeah.
And you know, and and and he knows lashiev no
is that he's not going to tell. And as an audience, Tim,
You're like, there's no way you can beat him to
death and he will not give up that password. And
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something I discovered and watching it a few other times
was that at some point earlier in the movie, like
m says something like, you weren't looking at the big picture.
You're just looking at this, and he says really under
his breath, he goes right when he I think he
knows he's either about to be beat again or when
La Chief takes out the knife is going to cut
his balls off and put him in his mouth. He says,
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big picture, big picture, Oh really, and he's just thinking, like,
don't think about your balls, just think about Vesper and
the mission. And it is like that. When I saw that,
I was like, God, there's always something to find in.
This is learning. He's developing as a character. And uh, yeah,
that that's a little jam there that you kind of
have to look for and I have to check that out. Uh.
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And then we get the great final sequence, which um
in Venice. And when I was watching it yesterday, it's like,
how do they do this? It looks like they're actually
sinking a building and they were, And I went back
and read, of course they just built all that ship.
It was a miniature. It's like a six scale miniature.
It's crazy. And they built a big build, um, what
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do you call it? Not a pool? But Um, oh,
you mean the inside thing. Yes, that was all a
practical set on a on a sinking gimbal and. But
the outside stuff was like a one six scale miniature
model that they shot outside collapsing and then put that
digitally in actual Venice. It's but seamless, it's it's That's
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what I love about this Bond movie especially, is whenever
they could do something practical, they did and it really shows. Yeah.
I mean, until I had looked it up this morning,
I was like, I guess they got permission to destroy
a building in Venice, which seems improbable. I know, because
it looks so real, and it is real. That's why
it looks real. It's uh. And you know she, like
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you said, she sacrifices herself at the end, and and
he wants to Initially at the beginning that sequence, I
think he said, allow me to kill her because he's
so upset, but he he's overcome and wants to save her,
even at the very end. Yeah, and they're little thematic
echoes to where before she she's in't trapped in the
elevator underwater and he's down there and she takes his hand,
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puts it on her cheek, as sort of like remember
how you licked my fingers, a moment of don't worry,
this is my like she's just gonna do it. It's brutally. Yeah,
it's not what you expect from a Bond movie. And
I had read the book prior to this movie, and
I know what happens in the book. She kills herself.
She takes sleeping pills, right I think I read that, yeah,
(01:17:37):
because but if I call, I know she had done
this betrayal, but she hadn't betrayed Bond necessarily as much.
She was just afraid because she was being followed by
this man and he never reread it. I'm trying to remember,
but it's not quite as it's tragic that she dies,
but there isn't quite the I don't know how to
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put it like this is the movie actually did it better,
which in one of the rare cases where the movie
is better than the book even though the book is
pretty interesting. I need to read the book. It's quick
and you know, Fleming is super easy to read because
like it's it is not flowery pros, it's you know
the man, well the last the bitch is dead, like
the are the sentences you know that's straight from the novel. Yeah,
(01:18:22):
that's a hardcore line. Yeah. And then we finished, of
course with the by like Cuomo and um Mr White
again and Bond Bond is right there yeah yeah, and
the great ending delivers his line and he's fully formed.
He's a secret agent that in his mind has been
betrayed so much so by a woman that he probably
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won't respect them for a long time. And that will
keep things easier for someone who's probably gonna die young anyway,
not get attached. And his walls are so up. That's
his thing is his walls are built so high. Yeah. Yeah,
such a good movie. Yeah. I was just blown away
all over again. Good um, all right, Well that's Casino Royale.
(01:19:05):
And we finished with two segments what Ebert said and
then five questions. Roger Ebert gave this four stars. He
could have done better. He was weighed down. That's four
out of four. Oh oh good, Okay, some people do
the five star No, no, no, alright, well done, Ebert. Yes,
Daniel Craig makes a super Bond, leaner, more taciturn less,
(01:19:26):
sex obsessed, able to be hurt in body and soul,
not giving a damn if his Martini shaking her stirred.
That doesn't make him the best bond because have long
since given up playing that pointless ranking game. O'connory was
first to plant that flag, and that's that. But Daniel
Craig is a bloody damned his bloody damn great has
bond in a movie that creates a new reality for
the character? Great? Yeah, so he was down And now
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five questions with Matt Gorley. Uh, first movie you remember
seeing in the theater it's Star Wars. Because I know
it wasn't my first movie Bamby was, I think, um,
but it was the one. It was unforgettable. And even
if it's just emotion, And I think because my mom
and I always tell this story about me going who's
(01:20:11):
the good guy, who's the bad guy? Who's the good guy?
Over and over and over to her, And then by
the time we saw an Empire, she was doing the
same thing to me and like, no, this is Boba Fett.
He's he's he's not a bad guy, but he's a
bounty owner. But he's a bad guy, but we like him. Yeah,
it's funny. There's a generation of people who say Bamby
and Star Wars. Yeah, sort of a big thing. Uh,
do you remember your first R rated movie that you
(01:20:32):
saw a big deal? Was A Hot Dog? And I wash.
This is a origin story for me, but I believe
it was, if not the first, it was certainly the
one I remember the most. Halloween. My babysitter put out
the lights and my sister and I she made us
watch it. My sister was fine with it, she's older,
(01:20:53):
but it scarred me for life, no joke. Babysitters. Yeah,
that's great. Yeah, and I am morbidly fascinated with that movie.
I've seen you post I've seen you post pictures of
going by the house. Yeah, it's in Pasadena, in South Pasadena,
and so you can go there every Halloween, and that
is a huge area for trick of treating and like
haunted houses of private houses. But that house is now
(01:21:13):
like an insurance house, like insurance office, insurance houth. But
you go there in Halloween and there is always a
bunch of Michael Myers as a pilgrimage. But it's so
funny because that you walk up and at first someone's
got a boom box with the music playing harrowing, and
then like a four foot Michael Myers will show up
like a little rather larger Michael Myers, and you just
(01:21:35):
start to see all the versions of them. Yeah. Yeah.
And then the trailer for the new one comes out Friday,
which I'm okay, very excited about. Yeah, I was just reading.
I didn't know the trailers coming out, but I saw
a couple of production stills. I love David Gordon green
Um historically, like he's done some interesting things here and there,
but I was a big fan of his early career
for sure. Yeah. I'm so excited to see what they're doing.
(01:21:56):
And I know the basic premise and I like it. Yeah,
And it's interesting to just sort of throw it all
out and say, all right, let's just it's kind of
a casino real sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait. Um,
will you walk out of a bad movie? I can't
think of a time that I have because I tend
to enjoy bad movies. It's maybe i'd walk out on
(01:22:19):
a boring movie. That's the biggest sin for me. But
I can't think because if you get me in a theater,
I am where I want to be bad or good,
Like I love movies beloted that time. Yeah, and if
it's it's not a waste of my time to see
a bad movie, because I'm at least looking at the
filmmaking or something. I'm sure there's one, but I don't
go to as many movies anymore, so I'm probably pretty guarded. Yeah,
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I guess the question for me would be, would you
turn one off at home that you're watching for the
first time that isn't good? That's rare? No, probably not,
that's good. I love it. I'd like to see things through.
Uh number four. I usually try and tailor to the guests.
So I'm gonna ask you what Bond in movie would
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you want to have been if you could have been
any of the Bonds in any of the movies, which
one is, like, that's my guy, it's crazy. My first
instinct is to say Casino Royale, but that would be
a miserable beginning, in middle and end. So for just
fun sake, Oh man, oh my god, this is not
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going to be easy. It's also hard because as a man,
you're thinking, well, I get to sleep with Ursula Andrews,
you know, I know. And that's another thing. I'm thinking
of my favorite Bond girls, like, well, ever Green is
my favorite, but that seems like a lot to go through.
I'm gonna and all you do is kiss some fingers.
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I know. Well they do get it on at one
point they and their little Venice holiday. Oh sure later,
but I was I was referencing earlier when it shows
her after that first night they spend in the same time,
they clearly showed the bed is been unruffled. Yes, okay,
there definitely, but yeah, sure, yeah, they have a good
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romp later then I'm gonna romp. I may go Octopussy
because I love mod Adams and that's just he's having
a good time the whole way through, and that's you know,
who doesn't want a good time? Yeah, in faverage eggs,
that's right, all right, I love it. And then finally
movie going one on one, when you get to the theater,
what's your what's your jam? Where do you sit? What
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do you get? I'm someone who's like, I don't I'm
not this way in the rest of my life, but
I hate being late to movies. I want to just
be able to relax a bit before, even before the previews,
just because it feel I don't want to feel rushed
or stressed getting to a movie, because I really do
enjoy them, so I want the conditions to be right,
so I like to sit middle back, not all the
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way back, but yeah there. I I will often maybe
get a hunt dog hot dog maybe hot dog, like
it's definitely from the very first time. Yeah, And I
like either some like Reese's Pieces or sour Patch kids.
And I've taken to going to the counter and saying,
I give me a bag of kids and just to
see the reaction of people and then um t Usually
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I'll get an iced tea, but we've been going to those,
like think you're my first iced tea? Really? Yeah, I'm
not a soda guy anymore. Yeah, I'm not really either.
But sometimes at a movie theater, I'll get like a
giant root beer. Yeah. At the Arc Light in Pasadena,
they have one of those like Mega Universal beverage vending
machines where it just has a computer and pick. So
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like then I'll get maybe like a grape Pi s here.
But they we also occasionally go to that we call
it the lie down Theater the I pick where you
can get one of those like they have food service
in the theater. You can get a full meal. So
that's a whole different story. But that's for special occasions.
Otherwise I don't love those, always feel a bit distracted. Yeah. Yeah,
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it depends on the movie. You kind of have to
tailor to the movie and if it's a what kind
of outing you're having? Yeah, yeah, yeah, alright, man, all right,
that was a lot of fun. It was really fun
for me. I could talk about that movie to the
cows kind. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna remind you and bug
you about being on James Bonding. Oh, I would love it.
Just let me know anytime you're back in town next
time and we'll do it. Awesome, all right, thanks Matt,
Thanks all right everybody. That was super fun. I mean,
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I thought I'd knew a thing or two about James Bond,
but that was that was seriously impressive. And I feel
like I'm gonna talk with Matt again on either his
show or just having him back in here. We might
do a Bond special part two. Um, and maybe we'll
do a View to a Kill next time, a movie
that we both love for for different reasons than Casino Royale.
Great movie, great guest. Matt is a is a good
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dude and you can fall him on Twitter at Matt
Gorley m A. T. T. G O U R L
E Y. And why don't you google the this house
he renovated that we talked about. It's really cool. I
can't remember the magazine, but I think if you probably
google Matt gorleyan house renovation you will you will find
it in his wonderful plaid walls and his lovely wife Amanda.
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They're just great. So thanks to Matt for coming in.
I hope you enjoyed the Bond special. Maybe it will
be another one day, like I said, And thanks for listening,
and until next time, take it shaken and not stirt.
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