May 9, 2018 • 31 mins
Chuck and Noel sat down to go over Marvel's latest epic, Avengers: Infinity War. BIG TIME SPOILERS ABOUND!
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey, everybody, welcome to movie Crush Crushed to Judgment Edition
C t J. That's that right, Yeah, that's right. Noel
and I in our traditional morning slots, or as I
like to call it, the morning slog. That's right, the
morning slog. And this is our second um. I guess
I mean, are we calling these reviews or just discussions musings,
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you know, in conversational form? Fair enough? So we both
saw Um separately. I thought about like seeing a movie
together at some point, but I think, well, I don't
know if we'd have. We gotta save all the talk though,
you know, and the thought of you and I just
walking silently from a movie theater after Infinity we could
talk about No, that's what you did after that movie
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broke me talk about a gut punch, all right. So
this is the point where we say massive spoilers. We're
going to talk about the whole of the of the film,
including the ending. So if you have not seen it,
do not listen to this yet. No, stop it right now. Yeah, seriously,
because this is a movie that that ends, um with
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a with a big surprises. I guess you say, yeah,
not what you'd expect from this type of of picture,
all right, So just setting up Real Quick Offenders Colin Offenders, Avengers,
Colin Charlie Chapman, Oh boy, which, by the way, I
was totally wrong. It's good man. It's one of those
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things where it's like, there's no way, I said Chapman.
It was fun though. I like that there's it's it's
creating a conversation on the internet. I like that of
Injurs Colin Infinity War obviously, the Marble comic MCU film
directed well now it's Walt Disney of course, um directed
by Anthony and Joe Russo, written by Christopher Marcus and
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Stephen McFeeley, and starring all of Hollywood. Yep. Basically, should
we do a review on the first eight teen movies
in the series Real Quick though before we get just
buzzed through those? Alright, Iron Man one Tony Stark is born. Alright,
so the movie opens up with well, the movie opens
up with a death, and that kind of set the
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tone that death would be a major player in this film. Yeah,
the first scene is pretty heavy. Yep. Loki gets it
after an act of her heroism, a sacrificial act, which
is cool. He's been kind of a prick in this uh,
in this series. That's a good way to say it. Yeah.
And and you know, of course we've seen Loki and
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I think they've been made a joke in the Mookie
in the Mookie in the movie about Loki has died before, right,
didn't they say that? Yes? And I feel like I
maybe there's one movie in the series I didn't see,
which was the thor Dark World movie, So maybe that
happened in that movie. That's the one that I feel
like I missed. It's hard for me to keep straight.
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And I'm certainly not a I mean, I've seen all
of them, but I'm certainly not Um. I can't you know, say, well,
this movie had this, this one had that. It's been
ten years, Chuck since the first since this whole crazy
experiment began. Iron Man one. Yeah, this movie very much
had the feel of and I don't know, I'm sure
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at some point they did this, but it had the
feel that they kind of had a grand plan from
the very beginning that all led up to this what
will be a two part film. Yeah. I mean, that's
one thing that blows me away, the precision of planning
that all the movies have to fit into this kind
of big picture, grand scheme. Um and to coordinate all
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of that is a mind boggling thing to me. Yeah,
and Scotty my buddy and I you know Scotty he um.
And for those of you listening, Scotty is my DP
friend who sat in on the post Oscars Spectacular or
was it the pre I think the post, Yeah, the
post And we were talking after he saw it about
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um just how great to the m c u is.
And even like I mean, some are a little better
than others, even the worst Marble movie is pretty good
still to me, what's the worst? To you? I don't know, man,
I mean that first Thor movie wasn't great, you're I
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think you're right, that's true. That one was a little
mac But but I mean there's still good movies. It's
not like I walked out of that movie saying like, no,
I didn't really enjoy that. No, it was still fun.
It's it's it's like you said, I mean, there's really
there aren't bad ones. They're just less good ones. Yeah,
like Doctor Strange I would put on the lower half.
But it's still a pretty good movie. I like that
one a lot. It was very psychedelic. I liked all
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the crazy time shifty, you know, copying himself kind of imagery.
He's a cool character. He is he is, and he
shines in this um. But where we were talking about
was really how genius it was to give all of it,
to really take their time and give all of these,
almost all the characters their own film. Certainly you didn't
get like a Scarlet Witch movie or a Hawkeye movie,
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but um, most of the major players got their own films,
so you really invest in these characters. Whereas talk about
sucking it up. DC is such a mess and they're behind.
So I feel like they're like, oh, we we need
to make a uh uh, not super Friends, but a
Justice League movie. But no one knows these other characters.
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So in Batman versus Superman, let me just have Wonder Woman,
just pop in a little jump drive of clips of
Aquaman and Flash and who was at Cyborg. I didn't,
I don't. I don't care one thing about those movies
I have. I see them. I know I saw. I
thought Wonder Woman was awesome. I was a lot of fun.
Only one that's well done, well acted, well written, But
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the rest of them are just a snooze and they're
just a bummer. Yeah, and not they're just, I don't know,
something dicky about them. I don't I don't like them. No,
I agree, man, just from the gray dark tones to
the dark overtones. Um, it's really just it's a big bummer.
And in Superman versus Batman, they literally like, well, we
gotta have a Justice League movie. So Wonder Woman pops
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in a jump drive and they're literally just a little
short clips of Flash doing a thing Aquaman I don't know,
like peeking through a peephole underwater and then swimming away,
and then Cyborgain's like, all right, well those are the characters.
That's all you get, and you don't end up caring
about them as a result. All right. So that is
to say, just as the the opposite end of the spectrum,
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whereas Marvel has really done it right. Oh, I mean
that's the thing. They've done it right. And over time,
most of these characters out several movies. Yeah, and within
those movies you get to meet some of those the
minor characters and still get invested in them. So it's
just genius. You really care about these people. Um, Alright,
So at the beginning Loki Loki dies, which, um, yeah,
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the whole scene him. They get right to it right away. Yeah,
and that's when he gives them The tests are act,
which I think was is it the second stone? The
whole deals with, you know, Thanos Space Stone is then
the tests are act. Okay, so that that's how that worked, yes, yeah,
But he doesn't have any stones yet at this point, right,
this is like the first stone he's trying to get,
I believe, So maybe he only has one, it doesn't matter.
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The point is he's trying to collect all these what
are they called? Now he does he has the power stones, right,
and you got that one in the previous Yeah, and
of course I'm I'm reading this right now just because
I don't want to get it wrong. But then he
gets a Space Stone, and the whole plot of the
movie is is that Thanos has this this glove and
he wants to acquire all these stones to fill the
glove and then have basically ultimate power. Yeah. There's the
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Time Stone, which allow him to manipulate time and space,
the Reality Stone I think, which literally allows him to
manipulate perception and actual reality and make people see things
differently to what they really are so he is basically
he's a he's a god. He is utterly a god. Yeah,
which is ironic because Thor is a god. Uh. And
you know what was funny to me, just as a
side note, is there's so many big characters in this
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just physically large, like that Thor for the first time
seems small. Oh yeah, I would notice. I was like, man,
did he lose weight? Like, what's going on? Because Thor
is usually just like just looks large. Well, they streamlined
his costume. Sure, I feel like he didn't have the
shoulder pad actually he usually does. They made him look
a little more tight, beefed him, they did. They did.
Oh man, and that scene though with him in star Lord,
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where like they the Guardians discover him flooding in space
and then star Lord feels intimidated by his masculinity because
everyone's like it, starts doing the voice, does the voice,
and then they accused him of doing the voice to
This movie is such a huge epic thing. We obviously
can't touch on every single aspect of it, but there's
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so many fun moments and then it kind of just
takes a turn where everything is just like oh oh oh, well, yeah,
I mean as they're acquiring these stones, Um, a lot
plays out like uh we we get a genuine well,
first of all, from what you said, the fun of
this movie and this is what they had planned all
along is everyone is set up with their different teams
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and now we're gonna throw them in a bag and
mix them all up and see what happened. So then
you've got four after the you know, star Lord and
and uh well Thord gets he gets uh stationed with
the Rabbit, which is hysterical and never didn't laugh at
him saying Rabbit, Yeah, the Rocket Raccoon, Um who I
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you know, like I love the Guardians. That's probably my
favorite team in the in the series. And I was like,
there's no way everyone's gonna get there do It's too
many characters, you know, I just mean, like, g just
gonna get But they managed to do it. Rocket Raccoon
got his due. He and I was really worried that
he wasn't because I love that character. Yeah. So Thor
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and the Rabbit and uh Groot and are all are
all a single team now and then you know, eventually
we get star Lord with Tony Stark and iron Man,
which they're back and forth were just great. I mean,
Chris Pratt is so funny in this and the movie
is hysterical, so many funny moments to a point, well,
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I guess that is. That's what I'm saying, Like the
first maybe quarter maybe maybe it's a long movie. I'm
having our time splitting it up. Yeah, I mean they
had laughs throughout, but the whole third act is is heavy. Yeah,
it's brutal when it becomes clear what's going on, so
you know, they're introducing all the characters bringing them in.
The one kind of bummer for me of the movie
was we didn't get much Hulk. We got a lot
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of Bruce Banner, but Hulk didn't appear, and that was
kind of one of the plat points was that he
couldn't make the big guy come out. He's in the beginning, right,
He's in the very beginning big fight in the scene
we're talking about with Loki and all that. He comes
out and and kicks the mass um, but then he's
like he's kind of sulking inside. Bruce the whole movie.
They kind of have these little mini conversations where he's like,
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come on, man, come on, yeah, and I'm kind of
curious why that's never really explained why he's in in
slumber almost well, I mean the thor Ragnarok thing was
he was kind of like Hulk for a really long
time and didn't turn back into Bruce at all until
the very end of that movie, and he was sort
of made to be in these like fighting pits and
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he was just like so maybe he was kind of
just maybe he wanted to break. Yeah, Hulk take break. Uh,
that's pretty funny. So, uh, the fun of this movie
is everyone is paired with different teams, everyone's doing their thing. Um,
like you said, they did an a major These screenwriters
did an amazing job, unbelievable sorting at all to where
it didn't feel over stuff somehow. I don't know how
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I was until change many uh. And before we get
to the end, Um, there was another big death like uh,
and this wasn't not a dissolve, this was a legit
death and a big one when Gomorra dies Green Lady.
Yeah that was. And it was also like the one
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use of flashback in the movie, which also impressed me
because with a movie that's based on eighteen other fucking movies,
they did not do a single like previously in the
Marvel Universe. The only flashback they did was to Goma
as a child being rescued quote unquote by the mad
Titan Thanos after he literally slaughters her people and sees
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something in her that she's got this potential badass warrior
and so he, you know, has her turn away while
her people are genocided, you know, and that was powerful.
It was really powerful. And then he gives her this knife,
and you know, and it's this it becomes this plot
point and their relationship it's so super fleshed out. Man.
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Just it's almost instantaneously that whole relationship has weight to it,
and more steaks and more drama going on for Infinity War,
I know. And I just want to say too that
I was absurdly impressed at how much I cared about Fanos,
this big purple and g I guy. I mean, he
has his own character, he's got his own character arc,
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and his as as psychotic and mad as he is,
you get where he's coming from on some level. Yeah,
there's complexity to that character, um which is man, they're
just doing such a good job, especially with him being
pretty just this kind of like um forced that's sort
of hovering above some of the other movies, but very
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rarely actually appears. They really did a lot with him
in one movie. I thought, you know, I'm just very impressive. Uh.
And then of course during the Gomera death scene is
when they encounter Red Skull, um who makes a nice appear.
It's from the Captain America, the First Avenger, because he
is the one who was guarding the soul Stone and
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that he was played a little preview coming up Ross
Mark Hand from The Walking Dead. He's coming on the show.
Oh yeah, I got a serendipitous introduction last weekend. He
played Red Skull in the Infinity Wars. He did because
he's Weaving. He's a master impressionist, that's right. And so
they're like, well, who can we get because Hugo Weaving
didn't want to do it, and they brought in Ross
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and that's really interesting. So we'll talk to him about that.
He's coming in the studio on next Thursday. Awesome. Yeah,
so that'll be a fun one. So Goodmore Dies is
very heavy. Um, we we catch up with Vision and
the Scarlet Witch. Um. I guess where are they in Scotland.
I think in Edinburgh maybe, yeah, I think a lot
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of Gloody globe hopping. I know they end up in
Wakonda though, well, yeah, everything kind of culminates in Wakonda,
which was genius because they had and I think Black
Panthers even still in some theaters. So they had set
it up so timed it so perfectly that everyone fell
in love with Black Panther and Wakonda and the warriors
in that movie. Uh, and so it's kind of cool
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that it culminates there for this one. I mean, mustn't
they have shot all of this stuff while they were
shooting Black Panther timing wise, like production wise, No, because
they shot I mean, I don't think it was far off.
But they shot Infinity War one and two together, so yeah,
they shot the shot at all at once. And next
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I just think like a year from now next spring,
part two will come out. I did not know that, okay,
And they shot it here in Atlanta. Of course they
went to other places. But my friend John worked on this,
and you know, their the crew is very heavily uh
policed with their cell phones, and but John um could
not share anything with me basically. Yeah, but even just
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being around town here to get little inklings like a
lot of those downtown scenes when when the ship goes down,
when there at Doctor Stranger's lair and they're walking outside
and everything. I think that's when Thanos is you know,
goons kind of show up the first time. A lot
of that's in downtown Atlanta. It's pretty cool. They must
have green screened the funk out of it, because there's like,
you know, two blocks of downtown Atlanta that kind of
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looked like every city USA, like New York, phil or something.
But then I look at the extent of what's in
the movie, I'm like, that's that they added. They they
Peter Jackson this up a little. Yeah. I mean most
of this is done on a green screen stage. Um,
and it looks great though. They did such a good job. Uh.
And of course, you know people here in the office
that we have we have what's called the belt Line
here in Atlanta, this basically pathway that goes through the
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city like New York's High Line. And Paul here in
the office is always texting me like I saw Chris
Evans today, I saw Scarlett Johansson walking the belt Line
and it's like the Avengers are just walking around town everywhere.
Very cool. It is cool. Alright, So it all culminates
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in Waconda. Um, you know, we can't cover it all obviously.
We we have some great interaction with Doctor Strange and
his partner. I can't remember his little buddy's name. Um,
who was his name? I can't remember, but they have
a great um report. Well I'm not a great rapport.
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It's actually sort of the opposite, but a great sort
of um back and forth with with Tony Stark. Again,
not only is he sparring with star Lord, but he's
going at it with Doctor Strange a lot. And he
really shines in this movie. So it all culminates in Wakonda,
the big fight, uh, the Infinity War happens. You know,
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he's Thanos is collecting stones his whole time, and I
believe is it just one last stone there that that
he's trying to get. Yeah, that's the that's the Doctor
Strange stone. Well, actually there's the medallion. Yeah, there's two.
There's the one in Infinity's forehead which they're trying to
extract while they're they're trying to keep. Yeah, they're sign
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and see wa Konda Gal who's whose name is keeps
me like she's operating on him. She's so badass. All
those characters are incredible. She's operating and and she's they're like,
how long is it gonna take? She's like, as much
time as you can give me like this, you know. Well,
And there's that great moment too when Bruce Banner is
um when she's like, well, why didn't you why didn't
you do it? Do it this way? And he's and
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you know, she outsidences him at like you know, this
young girl, and he's like, oh, well, you know, I
guess we didn't think about that. It never never occurred
to us to go at it like that. It's really
nice moment. And then Banner gets a suit, right, he
gets a Mex suit, which sort of begs the question
why is Tony Stark not giving everyone a suit? And
all the time, even if you have powers, wouldn't a
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suit just give you a leg up? You know? Yeah?
But like that's that's where, yeah, you lose your dramatic
steakes if everyone's running around why Superman is kind of
a boring character because he's like, yeah, impervious, yeah exactly. Uh.
One thing I thought was cool too, and this was
iron Man. They used to and all the Iron Man
movies kind of explain like the new tech, like well,
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now I've got this thing that can do this, and
they would explain it, so you when you saw what
how he did things, you would know what's going on.
But in this one, there's clearly a big leap forward
at Stark Industries, and he's just doing all sorts of
crazy shit with his Iron Man suit and none of
it's explained. It's just happening. So you know, you don't
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have the time in this movie to explain like, well,
now I built a suit that can do this, and
then as this kind of rocket and this kind of defense.
So it's just happening all over the place and this
big giant suit that of course Bruce banners and he
doesn't explain the making of that. He's just in at all,
just pops in. Yeah, but it gives him a chance
to shine as Bruce because he's funny. Yeah, he's he's quippy.
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Mark Ruffalo man. A lot of screen times he really
really does as Mark Ruffalo. Maybe that was maybe that
was part of it, where it's like, come on, guys,
can I just be Mark Ruffalo for a movie? Just
give me a man? Yeah, that's true. Uh, And it's
nice to see people like Bucky barn showing up. And
he was teased in the Um Black Panther post credit
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scene having been hanging out in Wakonda, so he's already
there and they give him they've kind of nursed him
back to health and they give him his arm back,
and that's a cool moment. Yeah, it's nice to see
war Machine Don Cheatles showing up again. Man, one of
my favorite characters, not nearly enough screen time we even got.
Benicio del Toro is the Collector. He get a brief
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scene he gets stomped, and one of my favorite characters
that I just hope never uh we never see enough
of his his drags, of course the best. Dave Bautista
is so funny. He's so funny. That's the part where
he's like trying to be still and he's like eating
chips and he's like got the chip and he's slowly
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bringing it towards his mouth and then he's funishing really
loudly and slowly. He's like you can't see me. I'm
making myself invisible or something, and it's it's just great. Uh.
Shout out to Latitia right as sureI she is the
young scientists want to give her her do and of course,
uh we also get Gomera and Nebula her sister um
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and that has a really nice little short dramatic arc
as well. Well. They have kind of mended fences in
the Two Guardians movies, like they were mortal enemies because
they were both raised by Thanos, and Thanos pitted them
against each other to supposedly make them stronger or whatever,
but always kind of favored Goma and literally transformed Nebula
into this sort of like synthoid humanoid, kind of part robot,
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part human thing and just kind of put her through
the tortures of the Yeah, and well, and in this
thanos um uses her as the bargaining chip because he
knows that, you know, Gomorra will want to save her. Man,
there's so much going on. It's a lot. We're all
over the place, I know, Man, It's it's that kind
of said like eight times that we're in Waconda and
it's culminating. But we are finally in Wakonda. The big
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battle takes place. The war I guess um with those
um I mean, first of all, all the bad guys
beside Stanos, they're all bad acts that one, just sort
of old floaty guy, creepy wizard guy. Yeah, man, he's good.
Just there's something really creepy about just standing completely erect
and floating around and and killing people. It's very hell
razor ish kind of. He reminds me of like I got,
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I got a kind of Clive Barker vibe to him,
you know, yeah, total, I really I really dug that
character a lot. Yeah. So they're all super intimidating, um,
and you think they're gonna be okay because there you
have the whole um. Not only do you have the
citizens of Wakonda there, but the other group um I
can't remember, you know, the other warriors that uh that
Black Panther fought and eventually mended fences with in Black Panther.
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They come on board to help, and they're all there
and you think, all right, this is a really formidable
force here. But then they start dropping from that those
spaceships just like tens of thousands of those monsters. Yeah,
like a little weird mutant drone creatures kind of then
completely expendable just throw themselves against this barrier, literally killing
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themselves to get a little hole through it. Finally, they
all start pouring through to show. Yeah, and then as
if that's not enough, um, those big wheels, those big
machines dropped from the sky like thresher kind of harvesting
type Things's crazy. And finally the Red Witch you know,
deals with that, and someone makes the joke where were
you the whole time? Like she's got god like powers
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and why was she in here? Well, she was in
there guarding guarding what's his face? Her boyfriend, the Vision,
who's got the other stone in his head. That's right.
So this is all playing out, the big Infinity Wars
taking place, and um, we have that big, that dramatic
moment where uh, doctor Strange gives up that last stone
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to save Tony Stark and basically I can't remember the line,
but he basically is like, this is the only way forward.
And then it starts happening right before your eyes. Everyone
starts dissolved, well not everyone, about half because that's what
they said. It's like a like a what do they
call it, the rapture? Yeah, it's like a rapturing exactly.
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Everyone they start dissolving and it's just or disintegrating, and man,
each one is it's just gut punch after gut punch,
because you you're it's such a brilliant trick because you'll
see like two or three characters on the screen and
you're thinking, like, well, who are they going to kill?
Who's gonna dissolve? They're not gonna They're not gonna dissolved
black panthers. They just and there he goes yea, yeah.
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The Spider Man one's intense because he apparently improved that
whole bit um where he's like, you know, in Tony's
arms and he's like his kind of his dad. I
can barely talk about that's still without like getting choked out.
Now it's rough. My whole thing, too, was that was hard,
Like I don't feel good and I can't even go there.
I'm like cry right here. My whole thing too, is
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I I it's a long movie. It's it's a three
hour movie, and I was kind of thinking I was
keeping track of how long was left in the movie,
and then I got so swept up in that last
act that I was like, there's got to be more
in the more time in the movie. And then this
happens and then it's just pop and credits and what no,
no way, not not a chance. No, that sounds that's
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how they did it, all right. So I have a
list here. This is who we lost. We lost Black Panther,
Um and oh man, that was so hardcore because a
Koyer just cries out when he disintegrates. Um. Hoping to
get her on the show too, because Ross Markan could
be my Walking Dead connection as the end baby, get
her in there, they'd be great. Um. Peter Parker one
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of the toughest, toughest parts of that whole movie because
he's got his mask off and it's Peter Parker. Yeah,
he's a kid, and that kid's got such heart and
you know, he's just got a great vibe. I love
I love Tom Holland in that role. Dr Strange leaves us,
Bucky Barnes leaves us, Falcon leaves us, Scarlet Witch leaves us.
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Um the Guardians. I think who survives from the Guardians
star Lord? Oh no, all the Guardians go, that's right?
Is that right? Yeah? Star Lord, Groot, Drex and Mantis
all perish. But there will be a Guardians three, James
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Gunn said, there would be. Yeah, And a lot of
this stuff. The chronology is weird, like to look at
all these movies in time. They don't all happen like,
it's not like they're one after the other chronologically, so
you could always go back and go back in time.
Uh Nick Fury at the end, you know, the post
credit sequence and Maria Hill of Shield, they both go, uh,
Here's who lives. Captain America lives, Iron Man lives, Thor lives,
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Black Widow lives, Hulk lives, and war Machine lives. It's
almost like the original Avengers, Rocket and Nebula. Only a Rocket,
I think, is the only one who survives. Nebula lives.
Uh A Koya and Imbaku from Black Panther survive. Uh
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sure he survives. Of course, Pepper Pots is still around,
but he was in it for a second. They're like
chogging chogging together at the beginning. But uh so that's
that's kind of that, Like you know, immediately it's just
like a a mausoleum walking out of that theater. Everyone
is just so upset. And it didn't even have the
flashy end credits that most of the Marble movies do.
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It was just like black background texts. It looked like
a funeral program or something, you know, with the even
the font. Hardcore Man not get Aunt man. I thought
he was gonna be in this, so he must be
in the second one. Yeah, I think I wonder if
that's the scheduling thing. He wasn't in it. Neither was
Hawkeye Um and Hawk. I think Hawkeye was in witness
(27:50):
protection or something, because in the Age of Ultron movie,
he like realized that he has a family that's been
like hiding out in this off the grid kind of location.
I think he's kicking it with and somebody, a friend
of mine, theorized that he'll be back in the next
one goes maybe his family gets blipped out of existence. Yeah,
he's kind of act. I don't have to sit through
more of that. But you know, we saw we literally
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see in the movie the timestone is used to reverse time. Well, okay,
that's the deal. First of all, I looked up immediately.
I was like, surely they're not dead, because just as
a cynic, there's too much money at stake. You don't
introduce Black Panther now have to be hit like that.
And they killed Black Panther Um. But the writers are
on record and they said you might as well wrap
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your head head around it because they all perished. But
the way they worded it, it could be undone. They
could because they later could say, well, they did perish,
but they unperished of course. Like I said, we we see, um,
the reversal of that stone being plucked from vision, but
then it happens again. Right, So there's two things to me.
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Either the Timestone like you're talking about, or just read
there's a new theory going around about the Soul Stone,
so um, it's different. I'm reading here from an article
in Polygon, uh, and it said the Soul Stone differs
from the other five Infinity Stones and that it's actually
sentient and able to manifest the will of its own.
So unsurprisingly it has a need to harvest souls. But
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the stone doesn't eat souls or destroy them. It transformed
them to transforms them, sends them to another pocket dimension
called the soul World that we actually saw with uh
when Thanos is teleported to that strange orange skide oasis.
Apparently that's the soul world where he sees baby go
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Mora and baby grown up go Mora was the sacrifice
that he had to make to get the Soul Stone.
So maybe she's not entirely out of the picture yet.
Maybe she's made the soul world in some way. So
that is the current theory is that they're living in
an alt world, the soul w Old, and um, there's
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just no way they're going to do away with all
these characters. He can't do it. No, no, no, no,
I mean no, absolutely not doesn't. It doesn't less than
the impact does not. And the doctor Strange even says,
I don't remember if he says this or if someone
um kind of conjectured this, that he saw all possible outcomes.
I think he does say it in the movie and
the only one, only in one do they win. So
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he he gave that stone up knowing that that's what
it took to ultimately in motion. Because he's always sees
like a chess guy. He's all he can see all
realities and all outcomes. Man, we gotta stop. What a movie? Great?
How many pimbs? What's our maximum thumbs? Is it four thumbs?
Fourth thumbs? I'm given this four thumbs for what it is.
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I mean, it's I'm not it's a different kind of movie.
It's not The Godfather, but for superhero movies. Fourth though,
it's a feat of writing, of pacing, of of cinematography
of special effects, of like directing the unsolved. We didn't
even mention the fact that those Russo brothers, their main
claim to fame, they directed, all of them arrested development,
(31:06):
a lot of arrested development they directed before they got
into this, which makes sense because that's like how they
know how to handle a big ensemble to make everyone shine.
Kind of you. Now, I think they're interesting to I
only found that out when I was looking up looking
them up. Super interesting, all right. So I guess that's
eight thumbs between us. It's a lot of thumbs. You
got anything else? I got nothing else. Man, We're we're
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way capped out at the time limit for these things,
all right. So Avengers Colin Infinity War eight thumbs. Go
see it. Look forward to hearing from you on Facebook,
and see what you thought about it. All right, Say goodbye, NOL, goodbye,
Hey, everybody, welcome to movie Crush Crushed to Judgment Edition
C t J. That's that right, Yeah, that's right. Noel
and I in our traditional morning slots, or as I
like to call it, the morning slog. That's right, the
morning slog. And this is our second um. I guess
I mean, are we calling these reviews or just discussions musings,
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you know, in conversational form? Fair enough? So we both
saw Um separately. I thought about like seeing a movie
together at some point, but I think, well, I don't
know if we'd have. We gotta save all the talk though,
you know, and the thought of you and I just
walking silently from a movie theater after Infinity we could
talk about No, that's what you did after that movie
(01:09):
broke me talk about a gut punch, all right. So
this is the point where we say massive spoilers. We're
going to talk about the whole of the of the film,
including the ending. So if you have not seen it,
do not listen to this yet. No, stop it right now. Yeah, seriously,
because this is a movie that that ends, um with
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a with a big surprises. I guess you say, yeah,
not what you'd expect from this type of of picture,
all right, So just setting up Real Quick Offenders Colin Offenders, Avengers,
Colin Charlie Chapman, Oh boy, which, by the way, I
was totally wrong. It's good man. It's one of those
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things where it's like, there's no way, I said Chapman.
It was fun though. I like that there's it's it's
creating a conversation on the internet. I like that of
Injurs Colin Infinity War obviously, the Marble comic MCU film
directed well now it's Walt Disney of course, um directed
by Anthony and Joe Russo, written by Christopher Marcus and
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Stephen McFeeley, and starring all of Hollywood. Yep. Basically, should
we do a review on the first eight teen movies
in the series Real Quick though before we get just
buzzed through those? Alright, Iron Man one Tony Stark is born. Alright,
so the movie opens up with well, the movie opens
up with a death, and that kind of set the
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tone that death would be a major player in this film. Yeah,
the first scene is pretty heavy. Yep. Loki gets it
after an act of her heroism, a sacrificial act, which
is cool. He's been kind of a prick in this uh,
in this series. That's a good way to say it. Yeah.
And and you know, of course we've seen Loki and
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I think they've been made a joke in the Mookie
in the Mookie in the movie about Loki has died before, right,
didn't they say that? Yes? And I feel like I
maybe there's one movie in the series I didn't see,
which was the thor Dark World movie, So maybe that
happened in that movie. That's the one that I feel
like I missed. It's hard for me to keep straight.
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And I'm certainly not a I mean, I've seen all
of them, but I'm certainly not Um. I can't you know, say, well,
this movie had this, this one had that. It's been
ten years, Chuck since the first since this whole crazy
experiment began. Iron Man one. Yeah, this movie very much
had the feel of and I don't know, I'm sure
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at some point they did this, but it had the
feel that they kind of had a grand plan from
the very beginning that all led up to this what
will be a two part film. Yeah. I mean, that's
one thing that blows me away, the precision of planning
that all the movies have to fit into this kind
of big picture, grand scheme. Um and to coordinate all
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of that is a mind boggling thing to me. Yeah,
and Scotty my buddy and I you know Scotty he um.
And for those of you listening, Scotty is my DP
friend who sat in on the post Oscars Spectacular or
was it the pre I think the post, Yeah, the
post And we were talking after he saw it about
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um just how great to the m c u is.
And even like I mean, some are a little better
than others, even the worst Marble movie is pretty good
still to me, what's the worst? To you? I don't know, man,
I mean that first Thor movie wasn't great, you're I
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think you're right, that's true. That one was a little
mac But but I mean there's still good movies. It's
not like I walked out of that movie saying like, no,
I didn't really enjoy that. No, it was still fun.
It's it's it's like you said, I mean, there's really
there aren't bad ones. They're just less good ones. Yeah,
like Doctor Strange I would put on the lower half.
But it's still a pretty good movie. I like that
one a lot. It was very psychedelic. I liked all
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the crazy time shifty, you know, copying himself kind of imagery.
He's a cool character. He is he is, and he
shines in this um. But where we were talking about
was really how genius it was to give all of it,
to really take their time and give all of these,
almost all the characters their own film. Certainly you didn't
get like a Scarlet Witch movie or a Hawkeye movie,
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but um, most of the major players got their own films,
so you really invest in these characters. Whereas talk about
sucking it up. DC is such a mess and they're behind.
So I feel like they're like, oh, we we need
to make a uh uh, not super Friends, but a
Justice League movie. But no one knows these other characters.
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So in Batman versus Superman, let me just have Wonder Woman,
just pop in a little jump drive of clips of
Aquaman and Flash and who was at Cyborg. I didn't,
I don't. I don't care one thing about those movies
I have. I see them. I know I saw. I
thought Wonder Woman was awesome. I was a lot of fun.
Only one that's well done, well acted, well written, But
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the rest of them are just a snooze and they're
just a bummer. Yeah, and not they're just, I don't know,
something dicky about them. I don't I don't like them. No,
I agree, man, just from the gray dark tones to
the dark overtones. Um, it's really just it's a big bummer.
And in Superman versus Batman, they literally like, well, we
gotta have a Justice League movie. So Wonder Woman pops
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in a jump drive and they're literally just a little
short clips of Flash doing a thing Aquaman I don't know,
like peeking through a peephole underwater and then swimming away,
and then Cyborgain's like, all right, well those are the characters.
That's all you get, and you don't end up caring
about them as a result. All right. So that is
to say, just as the the opposite end of the spectrum,
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whereas Marvel has really done it right. Oh, I mean
that's the thing. They've done it right. And over time,
most of these characters out several movies. Yeah, and within
those movies you get to meet some of those the
minor characters and still get invested in them. So it's
just genius. You really care about these people. Um, Alright,
So at the beginning Loki Loki dies, which, um, yeah,
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the whole scene him. They get right to it right away. Yeah,
and that's when he gives them The tests are act,
which I think was is it the second stone? The
whole deals with, you know, Thanos Space Stone is then
the tests are act. Okay, so that that's how that worked, yes, yeah,
But he doesn't have any stones yet at this point, right,
this is like the first stone he's trying to get,
I believe, So maybe he only has one, it doesn't matter.
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The point is he's trying to collect all these what
are they called? Now he does he has the power stones, right,
and you got that one in the previous Yeah, and
of course I'm I'm reading this right now just because
I don't want to get it wrong. But then he
gets a Space Stone, and the whole plot of the
movie is is that Thanos has this this glove and
he wants to acquire all these stones to fill the
glove and then have basically ultimate power. Yeah. There's the
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Time Stone, which allow him to manipulate time and space,
the Reality Stone I think, which literally allows him to
manipulate perception and actual reality and make people see things
differently to what they really are so he is basically
he's a he's a god. He is utterly a god. Yeah,
which is ironic because Thor is a god. Uh. And
you know what was funny to me, just as a
side note, is there's so many big characters in this
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just physically large, like that Thor for the first time
seems small. Oh yeah, I would notice. I was like, man,
did he lose weight? Like, what's going on? Because Thor
is usually just like just looks large. Well, they streamlined
his costume. Sure, I feel like he didn't have the
shoulder pad actually he usually does. They made him look
a little more tight, beefed him, they did. They did.
Oh man, and that scene though with him in star Lord,
(08:44):
where like they the Guardians discover him flooding in space
and then star Lord feels intimidated by his masculinity because
everyone's like it, starts doing the voice, does the voice,
and then they accused him of doing the voice to
This movie is such a huge epic thing. We obviously
can't touch on every single aspect of it, but there's
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so many fun moments and then it kind of just
takes a turn where everything is just like oh oh oh, well, yeah,
I mean as they're acquiring these stones, Um, a lot
plays out like uh we we get a genuine well,
first of all, from what you said, the fun of
this movie and this is what they had planned all
along is everyone is set up with their different teams
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and now we're gonna throw them in a bag and
mix them all up and see what happened. So then
you've got four after the you know, star Lord and
and uh well Thord gets he gets uh stationed with
the Rabbit, which is hysterical and never didn't laugh at
him saying Rabbit, Yeah, the Rocket Raccoon, Um who I
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you know, like I love the Guardians. That's probably my
favorite team in the in the series. And I was like,
there's no way everyone's gonna get there do It's too
many characters, you know, I just mean, like, g just
gonna get But they managed to do it. Rocket Raccoon
got his due. He and I was really worried that
he wasn't because I love that character. Yeah. So Thor
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and the Rabbit and uh Groot and are all are
all a single team now and then you know, eventually
we get star Lord with Tony Stark and iron Man,
which they're back and forth were just great. I mean,
Chris Pratt is so funny in this and the movie
is hysterical, so many funny moments to a point, well,
(10:30):
I guess that is. That's what I'm saying, Like the
first maybe quarter maybe maybe it's a long movie. I'm
having our time splitting it up. Yeah, I mean they
had laughs throughout, but the whole third act is is heavy. Yeah,
it's brutal when it becomes clear what's going on, so
you know, they're introducing all the characters bringing them in.
The one kind of bummer for me of the movie
was we didn't get much Hulk. We got a lot
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of Bruce Banner, but Hulk didn't appear, and that was
kind of one of the plat points was that he
couldn't make the big guy come out. He's in the beginning, right,
He's in the very beginning big fight in the scene
we're talking about with Loki and all that. He comes
out and and kicks the mass um, but then he's
like he's kind of sulking inside. Bruce the whole movie.
They kind of have these little mini conversations where he's like,
(11:12):
come on, man, come on, yeah, and I'm kind of
curious why that's never really explained why he's in in
slumber almost well, I mean the thor Ragnarok thing was
he was kind of like Hulk for a really long
time and didn't turn back into Bruce at all until
the very end of that movie, and he was sort
of made to be in these like fighting pits and
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he was just like so maybe he was kind of
just maybe he wanted to break. Yeah, Hulk take break. Uh,
that's pretty funny. So, uh, the fun of this movie
is everyone is paired with different teams, everyone's doing their thing. Um,
like you said, they did an a major These screenwriters
did an amazing job, unbelievable sorting at all to where
it didn't feel over stuff somehow. I don't know how
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I was until change many uh. And before we get
to the end, Um, there was another big death like uh,
and this wasn't not a dissolve, this was a legit
death and a big one when Gomorra dies Green Lady.
Yeah that was. And it was also like the one
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use of flashback in the movie, which also impressed me
because with a movie that's based on eighteen other fucking movies,
they did not do a single like previously in the
Marvel Universe. The only flashback they did was to Goma
as a child being rescued quote unquote by the mad
Titan Thanos after he literally slaughters her people and sees
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something in her that she's got this potential badass warrior
and so he, you know, has her turn away while
her people are genocided, you know, and that was powerful.
It was really powerful. And then he gives her this knife,
and you know, and it's this it becomes this plot
point and their relationship it's so super fleshed out. Man.
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Just it's almost instantaneously that whole relationship has weight to it,
and more steaks and more drama going on for Infinity War,
I know. And I just want to say too that
I was absurdly impressed at how much I cared about Fanos,
this big purple and g I guy. I mean, he
has his own character, he's got his own character arc,
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and his as as psychotic and mad as he is,
you get where he's coming from on some level. Yeah,
there's complexity to that character, um which is man, they're
just doing such a good job, especially with him being
pretty just this kind of like um forced that's sort
of hovering above some of the other movies, but very
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rarely actually appears. They really did a lot with him
in one movie. I thought, you know, I'm just very impressive. Uh.
And then of course during the Gomera death scene is
when they encounter Red Skull, um who makes a nice appear.
It's from the Captain America, the First Avenger, because he
is the one who was guarding the soul Stone and
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that he was played a little preview coming up Ross
Mark Hand from The Walking Dead. He's coming on the show.
Oh yeah, I got a serendipitous introduction last weekend. He
played Red Skull in the Infinity Wars. He did because
he's Weaving. He's a master impressionist, that's right. And so
they're like, well, who can we get because Hugo Weaving
didn't want to do it, and they brought in Ross
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and that's really interesting. So we'll talk to him about that.
He's coming in the studio on next Thursday. Awesome. Yeah,
so that'll be a fun one. So Goodmore Dies is
very heavy. Um, we we catch up with Vision and
the Scarlet Witch. Um. I guess where are they in Scotland.
I think in Edinburgh maybe, yeah, I think a lot
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of Gloody globe hopping. I know they end up in
Wakonda though, well, yeah, everything kind of culminates in Wakonda,
which was genius because they had and I think Black
Panthers even still in some theaters. So they had set
it up so timed it so perfectly that everyone fell
in love with Black Panther and Wakonda and the warriors
in that movie. Uh, and so it's kind of cool
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that it culminates there for this one. I mean, mustn't
they have shot all of this stuff while they were
shooting Black Panther timing wise, like production wise, No, because
they shot I mean, I don't think it was far off.
But they shot Infinity War one and two together, so yeah,
they shot the shot at all at once. And next
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I just think like a year from now next spring,
part two will come out. I did not know that, okay,
And they shot it here in Atlanta. Of course they
went to other places. But my friend John worked on this,
and you know, their the crew is very heavily uh
policed with their cell phones, and but John um could
not share anything with me basically. Yeah, but even just
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being around town here to get little inklings like a
lot of those downtown scenes when when the ship goes down,
when there at Doctor Stranger's lair and they're walking outside
and everything. I think that's when Thanos is you know,
goons kind of show up the first time. A lot
of that's in downtown Atlanta. It's pretty cool. They must
have green screened the funk out of it, because there's like,
you know, two blocks of downtown Atlanta that kind of
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looked like every city USA, like New York, phil or something.
But then I look at the extent of what's in
the movie, I'm like, that's that they added. They they
Peter Jackson this up a little. Yeah. I mean most
of this is done on a green screen stage. Um,
and it looks great though. They did such a good job. Uh.
And of course, you know people here in the office
that we have we have what's called the belt Line
here in Atlanta, this basically pathway that goes through the
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city like New York's High Line. And Paul here in
the office is always texting me like I saw Chris
Evans today, I saw Scarlett Johansson walking the belt Line
and it's like the Avengers are just walking around town everywhere.
Very cool. It is cool. Alright, So it all culminates
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in Waconda. Um, you know, we can't cover it all obviously.
We we have some great interaction with Doctor Strange and
his partner. I can't remember his little buddy's name. Um,
who was his name? I can't remember, but they have
a great um report. Well I'm not a great rapport.
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It's actually sort of the opposite, but a great sort
of um back and forth with with Tony Stark. Again,
not only is he sparring with star Lord, but he's
going at it with Doctor Strange a lot. And he
really shines in this movie. So it all culminates in Wakonda,
the big fight, uh, the Infinity War happens. You know,
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he's Thanos is collecting stones his whole time, and I
believe is it just one last stone there that that
he's trying to get. Yeah, that's the that's the Doctor
Strange stone. Well, actually there's the medallion. Yeah, there's two.
There's the one in Infinity's forehead which they're trying to
extract while they're they're trying to keep. Yeah, they're sign
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and see wa Konda Gal who's whose name is keeps
me like she's operating on him. She's so badass. All
those characters are incredible. She's operating and and she's they're like,
how long is it gonna take? She's like, as much
time as you can give me like this, you know. Well,
And there's that great moment too when Bruce Banner is
um when she's like, well, why didn't you why didn't
you do it? Do it this way? And he's and
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you know, she outsidences him at like you know, this
young girl, and he's like, oh, well, you know, I
guess we didn't think about that. It never never occurred
to us to go at it like that. It's really
nice moment. And then Banner gets a suit, right, he
gets a Mex suit, which sort of begs the question
why is Tony Stark not giving everyone a suit? And
all the time, even if you have powers, wouldn't a
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suit just give you a leg up? You know? Yeah?
But like that's that's where, yeah, you lose your dramatic
steakes if everyone's running around why Superman is kind of
a boring character because he's like, yeah, impervious, yeah exactly. Uh.
One thing I thought was cool too, and this was
iron Man. They used to and all the Iron Man
movies kind of explain like the new tech, like well,
(19:04):
now I've got this thing that can do this, and
they would explain it, so you when you saw what
how he did things, you would know what's going on.
But in this one, there's clearly a big leap forward
at Stark Industries, and he's just doing all sorts of
crazy shit with his Iron Man suit and none of
it's explained. It's just happening. So you know, you don't
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have the time in this movie to explain like, well,
now I built a suit that can do this, and
then as this kind of rocket and this kind of defense.
So it's just happening all over the place and this
big giant suit that of course Bruce banners and he
doesn't explain the making of that. He's just in at all,
just pops in. Yeah, but it gives him a chance
to shine as Bruce because he's funny. Yeah, he's he's quippy.
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Mark Ruffalo man. A lot of screen times he really
really does as Mark Ruffalo. Maybe that was maybe that
was part of it, where it's like, come on, guys,
can I just be Mark Ruffalo for a movie? Just
give me a man? Yeah, that's true. Uh, And it's
nice to see people like Bucky barn showing up. And
he was teased in the Um Black Panther post credit
(20:05):
scene having been hanging out in Wakonda, so he's already
there and they give him they've kind of nursed him
back to health and they give him his arm back,
and that's a cool moment. Yeah, it's nice to see
war Machine Don Cheatles showing up again. Man, one of
my favorite characters, not nearly enough screen time we even got.
Benicio del Toro is the Collector. He get a brief
(20:26):
scene he gets stomped, and one of my favorite characters
that I just hope never uh we never see enough
of his his drags, of course the best. Dave Bautista
is so funny. He's so funny. That's the part where
he's like trying to be still and he's like eating
chips and he's like got the chip and he's slowly
(20:46):
bringing it towards his mouth and then he's funishing really
loudly and slowly. He's like you can't see me. I'm
making myself invisible or something, and it's it's just great. Uh.
Shout out to Latitia right as sureI she is the
young scientists want to give her her do and of course,
uh we also get Gomera and Nebula her sister um
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and that has a really nice little short dramatic arc
as well. Well. They have kind of mended fences in
the Two Guardians movies, like they were mortal enemies because
they were both raised by Thanos, and Thanos pitted them
against each other to supposedly make them stronger or whatever,
but always kind of favored Goma and literally transformed Nebula
into this sort of like synthoid humanoid, kind of part robot,
(21:31):
part human thing and just kind of put her through
the tortures of the Yeah, and well, and in this
thanos um uses her as the bargaining chip because he
knows that, you know, Gomorra will want to save her. Man,
there's so much going on. It's a lot. We're all
over the place, I know, Man, It's it's that kind
of said like eight times that we're in Waconda and
it's culminating. But we are finally in Wakonda. The big
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battle takes place. The war I guess um with those
um I mean, first of all, all the bad guys
beside Stanos, they're all bad acts that one, just sort
of old floaty guy, creepy wizard guy. Yeah, man, he's good.
Just there's something really creepy about just standing completely erect
and floating around and and killing people. It's very hell
razor ish kind of. He reminds me of like I got,
(22:14):
I got a kind of Clive Barker vibe to him,
you know, yeah, total, I really I really dug that
character a lot. Yeah. So they're all super intimidating, um,
and you think they're gonna be okay because there you
have the whole um. Not only do you have the
citizens of Wakonda there, but the other group um I
can't remember, you know, the other warriors that uh that
Black Panther fought and eventually mended fences with in Black Panther.
(22:38):
They come on board to help, and they're all there
and you think, all right, this is a really formidable
force here. But then they start dropping from that those
spaceships just like tens of thousands of those monsters. Yeah,
like a little weird mutant drone creatures kind of then
completely expendable just throw themselves against this barrier, literally killing
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themselves to get a little hole through it. Finally, they
all start pouring through to show. Yeah, and then as
if that's not enough, um, those big wheels, those big
machines dropped from the sky like thresher kind of harvesting
type Things's crazy. And finally the Red Witch you know,
deals with that, and someone makes the joke where were
you the whole time? Like she's got god like powers
(23:23):
and why was she in here? Well, she was in
there guarding guarding what's his face? Her boyfriend, the Vision,
who's got the other stone in his head. That's right.
So this is all playing out, the big Infinity Wars
taking place, and um, we have that big, that dramatic
moment where uh, doctor Strange gives up that last stone
(23:48):
to save Tony Stark and basically I can't remember the line,
but he basically is like, this is the only way forward.
And then it starts happening right before your eyes. Everyone
starts dissolved, well not everyone, about half because that's what
they said. It's like a like a what do they
call it, the rapture? Yeah, it's like a rapturing exactly.
(24:10):
Everyone they start dissolving and it's just or disintegrating, and man,
each one is it's just gut punch after gut punch,
because you you're it's such a brilliant trick because you'll
see like two or three characters on the screen and
you're thinking, like, well, who are they going to kill?
Who's gonna dissolve? They're not gonna They're not gonna dissolved
black panthers. They just and there he goes yea, yeah.
(24:35):
The Spider Man one's intense because he apparently improved that
whole bit um where he's like, you know, in Tony's
arms and he's like his kind of his dad. I
can barely talk about that's still without like getting choked out.
Now it's rough. My whole thing, too, was that was hard,
Like I don't feel good and I can't even go there.
I'm like cry right here. My whole thing too, is
(24:56):
I I it's a long movie. It's it's a three
hour movie, and I was kind of thinking I was
keeping track of how long was left in the movie,
and then I got so swept up in that last
act that I was like, there's got to be more
in the more time in the movie. And then this
happens and then it's just pop and credits and what no,
no way, not not a chance. No, that sounds that's
(25:19):
how they did it, all right. So I have a
list here. This is who we lost. We lost Black Panther,
Um and oh man, that was so hardcore because a
Koyer just cries out when he disintegrates. Um. Hoping to
get her on the show too, because Ross Markan could
be my Walking Dead connection as the end baby, get
her in there, they'd be great. Um. Peter Parker one
(25:43):
of the toughest, toughest parts of that whole movie because
he's got his mask off and it's Peter Parker. Yeah,
he's a kid, and that kid's got such heart and
you know, he's just got a great vibe. I love
I love Tom Holland in that role. Dr Strange leaves us,
Bucky Barnes leaves us, Falcon leaves us, Scarlet Witch leaves us.
(26:04):
Um the Guardians. I think who survives from the Guardians
star Lord? Oh no, all the Guardians go, that's right?
Is that right? Yeah? Star Lord, Groot, Drex and Mantis
all perish. But there will be a Guardians three, James
(26:24):
Gunn said, there would be. Yeah, And a lot of
this stuff. The chronology is weird, like to look at
all these movies in time. They don't all happen like,
it's not like they're one after the other chronologically, so
you could always go back and go back in time.
Uh Nick Fury at the end, you know, the post
credit sequence and Maria Hill of Shield, they both go, uh,
Here's who lives. Captain America lives, Iron Man lives, Thor lives,
(26:48):
Black Widow lives, Hulk lives, and war Machine lives. It's
almost like the original Avengers, Rocket and Nebula. Only a Rocket,
I think, is the only one who survives. Nebula lives.
Uh A Koya and Imbaku from Black Panther survive. Uh
(27:09):
sure he survives. Of course, Pepper Pots is still around,
but he was in it for a second. They're like
chogging chogging together at the beginning. But uh so that's
that's kind of that, Like you know, immediately it's just
like a a mausoleum walking out of that theater. Everyone
is just so upset. And it didn't even have the
flashy end credits that most of the Marble movies do.
(27:30):
It was just like black background texts. It looked like
a funeral program or something, you know, with the even
the font. Hardcore Man not get Aunt man. I thought
he was gonna be in this, so he must be
in the second one. Yeah, I think I wonder if
that's the scheduling thing. He wasn't in it. Neither was
Hawkeye Um and Hawk. I think Hawkeye was in witness
(27:50):
protection or something, because in the Age of Ultron movie,
he like realized that he has a family that's been
like hiding out in this off the grid kind of location.
I think he's kicking it with and somebody, a friend
of mine, theorized that he'll be back in the next
one goes maybe his family gets blipped out of existence. Yeah,
he's kind of act. I don't have to sit through
more of that. But you know, we saw we literally
(28:12):
see in the movie the timestone is used to reverse time. Well, okay,
that's the deal. First of all, I looked up immediately.
I was like, surely they're not dead, because just as
a cynic, there's too much money at stake. You don't
introduce Black Panther now have to be hit like that.
And they killed Black Panther Um. But the writers are
on record and they said you might as well wrap
(28:33):
your head head around it because they all perished. But
the way they worded it, it could be undone. They
could because they later could say, well, they did perish,
but they unperished of course. Like I said, we we see, um,
the reversal of that stone being plucked from vision, but
then it happens again. Right, So there's two things to me.
(28:56):
Either the Timestone like you're talking about, or just read
there's a new theory going around about the Soul Stone,
so um, it's different. I'm reading here from an article
in Polygon, uh, and it said the Soul Stone differs
from the other five Infinity Stones and that it's actually
sentient and able to manifest the will of its own.
So unsurprisingly it has a need to harvest souls. But
(29:20):
the stone doesn't eat souls or destroy them. It transformed
them to transforms them, sends them to another pocket dimension
called the soul World that we actually saw with uh
when Thanos is teleported to that strange orange skide oasis.
Apparently that's the soul world where he sees baby go
(29:42):
Mora and baby grown up go Mora was the sacrifice
that he had to make to get the Soul Stone.
So maybe she's not entirely out of the picture yet.
Maybe she's made the soul world in some way. So
that is the current theory is that they're living in
an alt world, the soul w Old, and um, there's
(30:03):
just no way they're going to do away with all
these characters. He can't do it. No, no, no, no,
I mean no, absolutely not doesn't. It doesn't less than
the impact does not. And the doctor Strange even says,
I don't remember if he says this or if someone
um kind of conjectured this, that he saw all possible outcomes.
I think he does say it in the movie and
the only one, only in one do they win. So
(30:23):
he he gave that stone up knowing that that's what
it took to ultimately in motion. Because he's always sees
like a chess guy. He's all he can see all
realities and all outcomes. Man, we gotta stop. What a movie? Great?
How many pimbs? What's our maximum thumbs? Is it four thumbs?
Fourth thumbs? I'm given this four thumbs for what it is.
(30:44):
I mean, it's I'm not it's a different kind of movie.
It's not The Godfather, but for superhero movies. Fourth though,
it's a feat of writing, of pacing, of of cinematography
of special effects, of like directing the unsolved. We didn't
even mention the fact that those Russo brothers, their main
claim to fame, they directed, all of them arrested development,
(31:06):
a lot of arrested development they directed before they got
into this, which makes sense because that's like how they
know how to handle a big ensemble to make everyone shine.
Kind of you. Now, I think they're interesting to I
only found that out when I was looking up looking
them up. Super interesting, all right. So I guess that's
eight thumbs between us. It's a lot of thumbs. You
got anything else? I got nothing else. Man, We're we're
(31:27):
way capped out at the time limit for these things,
all right. So Avengers Colin Infinity War eight thumbs. Go
see it. Look forward to hearing from you on Facebook,
and see what you thought about it. All right, Say goodbye, NOL, goodbye,
Movie Crush News
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Chuck Bryant
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