Jordan Morris on Point Break

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to Movie Crush Friday Interview edition. Charles W.
Chuck Bryant here doing the intro and outro in our
home studio Pont City Market, but this one was recorded
at our Hollywood studios in Hollywood, California. Everyone. I had
Jordan Morris on to talk about Point Break. Jordan is

(00:46):
an old pal that I met through UM. I met
at Max von con are are friend Jesse Thorne mutual
friend that Jordan has known since college and they actually
started out UM in college together doing comedy. You get
to hear this backstory too, which is really fun um
doing college radio together, and they are still working together

(01:09):
on Jordan Jesse Go the Great podcast on the Maximum Network.
Jordan is also the creator and head writer and showrunner
for Bubble Uh, the wonderful comedy sci fi kind of
bonzo fun scripted podcast that came out last year. Hopefully
Bubble too will be coming out sometime soon. Really really

(01:29):
good stuff. Check it out if you haven't. But Jordan's
a great guy and it was a lot of fun
sitting down and talking Point Break with them. Such a fun,
fun movie. So without any delay, everyone here is Jordan
Morris on Point break. Where do you live right now?
West Hollywood? Yeah, this was not a hard drive at all. Yeah,

(01:50):
that's good. Um, I stay when I come here at
this place, like right around the corner, so it's really cool. Cool.
It's uh dumb glitzy hotel, but it's like five feet away.
Nothing wrong with that. I've gotten to know the Hollywood Boulevard. Well, um,
are you guessing on anybody show while you're right here? Cool? No,

(02:11):
I didn't put the word out. Um. I'd still love
to do j J go at something. Yeah, next time
you're you're in town. Um, well, I'll definitely be coming
back in June for Max fun Oh cool. Yeah, let's
definitely do it. Um and I usually come out Thursday.
When do you guys record? We usual to record Sunday,
but I think we could we could make an exception
or maybe you could be our guest at Max fun

(02:33):
Con if we do the if we tape live Oh goodness. Anyway,
well hey, well let's park that to the side. Of course. No,
no need to get our calendars out now, I don't.
I don't want you to write any checks. That that's true.
Jesse doesn't want to cash It's funny, man, all these
eighties movies this week. It's weird interesting, well technically point
break his nineties Yeah nine one. Yeah, where are you from? Originally?

(02:57):
Orange County? Oh? I didn't know you were semi local? Yeah?
I mean I was born in Beaumont, Texas, but we um,
we moved to Orange County, California when I was like three,
So I kind of consider that to be where I
was born and raised. So, you know, you don't relate
to Texans, not really. I mean we went out there
for like our family vacations and stuff, and my like,

(03:19):
you know, my mom's sisters still live out there, my mom,
my mom's sisters, it does, and so I have my
cousins live out there, So I like have fondness for
Texas and certainly, you know, love any excuse to go
to Austin for work because it is the world's funnest place. Um.
But yeah, no, I I I consider myself a chill
so Cal local local, hangington smoking dubes, you know the

(03:45):
O C Way. Baby, you don't do either weirdly religious.
You might as well be one of the ex presidents. Yeah, um,
would you have siblings and stuff? I have a little sister,
Um who is now thirty, so a thirty year old
little hard to call a thirty year old your little sister. Yeah, um,

(04:05):
so yeah she is. She's a lawyer, So we are
the kind of archetypal um sensible one and creative one,
her being the sensible one, me being the creative one.
Um so yeah, um, but yeah, she's a she's a hoot,
she's a and you know, anytime I need some legal advice,
she's always there. Yeah that's always nice. Yeah, she's back
in Texas, no cheese in Orange County, so she lived

(04:27):
up here for a little bit but moved back there
to work for the county. So yeah, that's cool. Um,
how what was it like growing up in your household?
I always like to get a read on sure, um,
because I had I had not super unique, but I
had parents that weren't that super into movies and pop culture.

(04:48):
And I mean it's not like they shunned it, but
I didn't definitely didn't have the parents were like, oh God,
you gotta watch this or you should listen to this.
Um yeah, I did not have that either. My my
parents were not that you know, they were They're not
hip people. Um, you know, we you know, saw movies

(05:09):
at the mall and you know, watched a lot of
network TV. Um, you know, didn't you know, didn't have
HBO to be growing up. That was the mark of
a family who was really cultured. If they had HBO.
We've been had HBO. Oh nice, okay, so you know
we uh yeah, my my, my mother is a very

(05:29):
nice woman. She's a you know, she's a nurse. She's
been a nurse for entire life. Um our entire life.
But you know, adultho. She wasn't a baby nurse, which
would be a pretty cute. Yeah, it's a it's a
companion piece of boss baby, more working class boss baby,

(05:50):
little nurse. Um. Yeah, so she uh she does not
understand entertainment stuff, has hard time wrapping her head a
found it, but has always been very supportive. Like I,
you know, I have I I have a fucking boring
ass childhood where my mom was nice and wanted me
to do what I wanted to do. And I know

(06:12):
it sucks, It fucking sucks. I want to come in.
I want to I want to come on these and
talk about how I, you know, came home with green
hair and had to sleep in the tree house and
you know, smashed my guitar against the wall. But no,
they were always really nice, even when I wanted to
do kind of dorky stuff, you know, when I wanted
to wear a cape to high school for a couple

(06:36):
of weeks and carry all my books in a bowling
bag and do all that dumb Yeah, I was, I was.
I was a quintessential drama dork. Like so, I discovered,
you know, again, what a fucking boring ass back story
I have so basic it's okay, yeah, standard for these
kinds of things. I think. Well, I mean, it makes

(06:57):
you stand out a bit in the world of comedians
because as you're you're not tortured. That's true. Yeah, you know,
most of well not most, but but yeah, no, I definitely,
I mean I have my ups and my downs, of course,
and I struggle with various things. But yeah, I definitely
don't consider myself a sad clown. H you know, I'm
a I'm a content clown who certainly has moments of

(07:17):
darkness and self doubt, but essentially is pretty happy to
be where he's at. Yeah, um, you're doing drama in
high school. I'm doing drama high school. Schea. I discovered
drama and we had a little improv group, which was
huge for me, which was like mind blowing because I
think I was always kind of a, you know, a
goof off type. So I think the idea of being
able to like goof off while people watched you was great. Yeah.

(07:41):
We didn't have anything like that in our school. Yeah,
not improv. I didn't even know that was a thing,
did you. Was there a drama club and uh in
school plays and stuff like that, Yeah, but I was.
I mean, I've never been a performer, um, which is
funny now that you know, I can get on the
stage and right for for a ton of people. Yeah,
but I've gotten used to that, but I'm still, um,

(08:02):
I don't consider myself a performer, like an actor. I'm
terrible at that. Um. Interesting, But it seems it seems like, um,
you know, drama Club, you know draws in the like
look at me kids, which I was one of. But
I think it also draws in general kind of I'm

(08:24):
artsy and haven't found my people yet kids, I think,
you know, yeah, I think like you know, drama Club,
you know, the tech crew is filled with punk kids
the like orchestras filled with like band geeks. So I
don't know, it seems to be this kind of like
nerd unifier. At least it wasn't my high school. So

(08:44):
you have the kind of like look at me, I
know what rent is kids. But then you know, the
productions kind of pull in all these other kind of
um you know, not jock types anyway, other types of
john he's archetypes. Yes, yeah, exactly, other other breakfast club members,
all kind of band together. Were you popular? I mean, well,

(09:10):
here's uh that that that's complicated. So I was. I
was homecoming king. I was elected homecoming king. And I
found out later, uh like after I had graduated college.
I found out on my Space. I got in touch
with this kid named Justin Reynolds. He was the punk

(09:31):
kid who hang hung the lights, so you know, he
always had like a leather jacket and a vice squad
butt flap. Um. So Justin Reynolds was the like crew kid.
And I friended him on my Space. And is that
what you called that back then? Friended? Yes? Oh yeah,
what did you call it? I don't know, I don't
I don't think I had friend interesting skipped my space.

(09:55):
Um so anyway, and he sent me a message on
the my Space after I had friended him right saying that, hey,
remember when you want homecoming King. I was. I was
working in the office and I rigged the ballot so
you would win. So I am a false, a false
homecoming King of Cappo Valley. Wow, that's better than I thought.

(10:16):
I thought you were gonna say. I just had a
pit in my stomach. I thought you were going to
say that it was like Carrie I got carried. Oh yeah,
that it was just a big joke. Uh so, No,
I mean I got again again. Boring backstory. I you know,
Orange County is a pretty conservative place. I think up
until very very recently, actually up until this election, I

(10:38):
think it always goes red. It's like it's like the
one little pocket of California that was red until very recently,
which is nice, good on, good on you Orange County. Um,
so you know, uh so, yeah, so it's pretty conservative
that you know. There is a like jock culture for sure,
Like a lot of surfer guys turned water polo guys

(10:58):
like those were kind of our job. We're kind of
a bleached blonde, you know. Um, maybe much like some
of the characters in today's movie point break, so that
like culture is very prevalent in Orange County. But I
was able to go to high school, sometimes in a cape,
sometimes carrying my books in a bowling bag, and I

(11:21):
didn't get hassled too much. I mean, I had a
little bit of teasing, but I kind of got to
just be a little weirdo and experiment. And I'm really
grateful for that because you know, you know, you hear
stories from other creative people about how it was like
a struggle and people didn't want them to do that
and everybody wanted them to straighten up and put on
a tie and you know and stuff like that. But yeah,

(11:41):
I kind of I was very very lucky to grow up,
you know, being able to like experiment and be a
goofball and find myself. So yeah, I'm really really thankful
that that was my upgrading upbringing for sure. Well, I mean,
you're funny, and that's always a secret weapon, I think,
so even if you um or at risk of being bullied,

(12:03):
if you're funny, that helps, I think. Yeah, And I
think I can I think I can code switch between
Nerd and Bro. Maybe not Nerd and Jock, but Nerd
and Bro, which is the Bridge, Yes, exactly. Yeah, So
I mean I think I can, you know, because yeah,
I think I can. I think I kind of learned

(12:23):
how to like talk to that sort of person and
not come off like a you know, artsy goober, and
then once I'm away from them, I can turn back
into an artsy goober. I haven't heard goober in a while. Yeah,
let's bring that back. Sure, I know. Hey, I mean
I'm proud. I'm a proud goober. Hey, if you're out

(12:45):
there and you're proud goober, hit me up hashtag goob squad,
goob troop. When did you, um, like, were you legit
acting and stuff in the place? Yeah, And I think
that's not necessarily because I was a good actor, but
just because because I think the drama club needed boys.
I think that's the curse of many high school drama departments,

(13:08):
as they just need boys. Um. So yeah, So I
think I I got up on stage pretty regularly. Um,
not not because of because I'm you know, super talented
at performing, but because I was just enthusiastic and wanted
to be there and would show up and it was
a boy. So and what about the the improv is
that was that through the school, like it was like, yeah,

(13:29):
so we did a thing called Comedy Sports with a
Z and it. I think Comedy Sports with a Z
is still active in l A. I think they still
have a performance space. I'm not positive, but they, you know,
take they have teachers, you know, people who are part
of their troop go to high schools and kind of
teach them rudimentary improv games. Stuff you would see on

(13:51):
Whose line is in any ways a lot of like
you know, all right, like we're gonna give you a
weird hat and you guys have to make up a
scene stuff like that, and so yeah, so we so
these these people from Comedy Sports would come, you know,
would come to the high school and teach us these
games and help us put on these little shows. And
we were very thrilled because our coach, uh was, had

(14:14):
played a helicopter pilot on That's My Bush, the Comedy
Central show about George W. Bush. That it was some
of the South Park guys did it, and it was
like in the yeah, yeah, so anyway, so he was
on that show though, yes he was, and uh yeah,

(14:35):
so you know, like it was my first time meeting
a like professional creative person, which I did not grow
up around. I think a lot of people think that.
You know, Orange County is close to l A, so
you probably knew a lot of show business people like
I did. Not, Like I knew the only grown ups
I knew were like real estate people and jet Skis salesman,
like that is who lives in Orange County. So like

(14:56):
meeting a creative person, a professional creative person, he was
a pretty big deal. Um. Yeah. And then and then
because we met the comedy sports guy, we would like
pile in my mom's fan and drive up to l
A to see improv shows. So yeah, that was kind
of like my my childhood adventures were like piling in

(15:17):
a van and going to see improv shows and punk shows.
So that was kind of like my you know, first
little glimpse at the grown up world. That's cool though,
I mean, that's great access. Yeah, it's really nice. It
was really nice to have that stuff around. Yeah. I
didn't have a lot of that going on around me
and Atlanta that's where you yeah, ok, yeah, and you

(15:39):
know the suburbs of Atlanta. It was just I had
no idea that you could do this as a job. Yeah, yeah,
not podcasting obviously, that was not a thing and just glimmer,
a glimmer in the eye of yeah, Silicon Valley. I
didn't know. I didn't know you could do that. I
just I don't know. I never thought about movies in
that way, like this is a job you can right.

(16:00):
I always thought I would be a fun drama teacher,
which is I mean still still time for that. I
mean could could very well still happen. Uh And no
shame in that either, of course. Not. Yeah, um no, absolutely, Yeah.
If you're a fun drama teacher out there, good on
yet like giving giving the arts goober's of the world
a chance to like express themselves. No, that is a

(16:21):
very important, very important noble job for sure. Yeah. Well,
both of my parents were teachers. So oh that's right.
Your dad was like your English teacher, right, my principle,
your principal. Oh man, that's cool. Yeah it was fine. Yeah,
elementary school, that is high school. It probably would be
a little toughugher, I think now, I don't know, I

(16:43):
don't know the geography of Georgia that well, but I mean,
you know, I think Athens has that like legendary music scene.
Did you pile in a station wagon and go see
bands in Athens or was that not possible? Uh? No,
I did not. Athens is an hour away. I went
to school there, so when I was eighteen, Well that's right,

(17:06):
didn't you college and like, didn't you like rent videos
to Michael Stipe or something? Yeah, he came by the
video store. Cool, that's a feather in your cap. Yeah,
I mean college was really where I uh um blossomed
into it like a complete normal human though. Um, especially
in Athens, you know, plenty of opportunity, but I didn't.
I mean I was going to concerts and stuff from

(17:27):
the time. I was like yeah, but it was you know,
the big shows at the big arena. Yeah. I was
not nearly cool enough to know about like like the
coolest ship I was listening to was like the Cure
and the Smiths and R. E. M. And stuff. Okay,
it was pretty cool and but yeah, I'm not not
on the punk scene though that was not privy to that.
Well that was kind of like on the radio at

(17:48):
that point. Yeah, yeah for sure. Um, but this is
about you, that's true, This is about me. Yeah, I'm
naturally inquisitive. I'm sorry. When did you start, like, well,
tell me about meeting Jesse in college because that was
a pretty big deal. So yeah, so, I mean I
think based you know, so I kind of like had

(18:08):
had started thinking about you know, oh okay, like, yeah,
I like TV and I like comedy and that has
to get there somehow. Maybe people write it where they
you know, so I but you know, it was still
kind of baffling to me. And so then I went
to college that you see, Santa Cruz and it's kind
of northern California. What's it like there? Jesse jokes about

(18:30):
it so much, But yeah, I wonder what the truth is.
It is a it is a It is a hilarious,
ridiculous beautiful place. Really really a really special kind of
magical place. It is you know, it is very very
hippy dippy. It is pretty pretty stuck in the nineties.

(18:50):
I went back a couple of years ago, and you know,
people were still wearing flannel shirts tied around their waists,
and they were still like posters for bands on telephone. Poll. Yeah,
a little bit, maybe a little less sublime and a
little more m let's let me. Yeah, I mean I
think Sublime is not quite right. But I mean I'm

(19:10):
I'm very sensitive to California musical geography. Yeah, that was
more San Diego. I guess, oh yeah, I mean it's
I think Sublime er famously from Long Beach, but I
think definitely probably their core fan base was in San Diego. Yeah,
like yeah, like white Stoner's white white Dreadlocks, although there
were a lot of white Dreadlocks that you see Santa Cruz.
But I think they probably listened to actual reggae and

(19:33):
and really let you know about it, really let you
know that their ship was the real ship was really
ira Uh. So yeah, it is. You know, it's a
little hippie paradise. It's a little you know, there's a
little Berkeley Spice in there. There's a little like Venice Beach,
you know, peppered in and it's kind of just this
little enclave. It is very very you know, radically liberal. Um,

(19:58):
how big is it it is? Boy, I don't know.
I think I think it is definitely one of those
places where the biggest part of the town is the university.
So I think that like university students are a pretty
big portion of the population. So yeah, but then you had,
you know, the locals were a lot of like surf
burnouts and people who sold candles and you know, it's

(20:20):
stuff like that. Although I have maybe heard that some
of Silicon Valley has started to trickle down there. Yeah,
how far is that from San Francisco. It's an hour
and some change. Yeah, people will drive that. Yeah sure,
I think yeah, And I think maybe if you know
you are you are a little bit of a a
crunchy or Granola, one of those tech guys. You probably

(20:43):
like the you know, the you know, salt air and
the access to surfing and stuff like that. Um, so yeah,
it was. It was great. I mean it's a silly place,
you know, it does definitely is its own little reality.
Um and definitely you know it's it did not They

(21:05):
did not provide any kind of resources to have a
career in show business. I think I went into the
you know, career counseling person when I was about to
graduate and asked about any like internships or you know,
entry level p A type jobs and show biz and
I think they had one one listing for an assistant

(21:25):
camera operator for a local news station in San Jose. So,
you know, and I think I think, you know, the
like performance and writing programs were preparing you to be
like an adject prop street clown. I think that's probably
the like the the highest calling of the UC Santa
Cruz performance graduates. Can you, you know, can you create

(21:47):
some sort of challenging street art to freak out squares? Right,
Like you're gonna need a trunk that you can fit
a lot of props in, but yeah, you can also
carry it under your arm, yes, exactly as you're running
down the street right exactly when the cops are chasing
you away for speaking the truth and freaking out the anyway.
So so Jesse Thorne owner and uh and had head

(22:12):
Haunch over at Maximum Fun. So we met. He was
my r a be four South and the Porter Porter dorms.
So yeah, so I thought he was a cool dude
because he you know, he was a comedy nerd. He
had like a kids in the Hall poster and it's
anacious d poster um kind of some of that you know,
fringe e comedy stuff that you know, you always felt

(22:35):
like someone was a kindred spirit if they liked Yeah,
I remember that, Uh remember that dorm thing where the
posters were such a such a signifier totally, like a
lot of thought went into what you put on your Wall. Yeah,
I really like said a lot about you or what you. Yeah,
it was like the person you wanted to be kind
of at least if you feel like I did, which

(22:56):
was like maybe a little nervous in your own skin
totally like it wasn't like, yeah, I'm gonna put this
poster up because it's just fucking what I like. He's like, oh, well,
if I put up this Jaan's addiction poster, I do
love them, but boy that's cool. Yeah, exactly, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna I'm gonna pick the things I like very
the ones I, the ones I display exactly. Maybe he

(23:17):
keeps some of the other stuff. Quiet um. Yeah, So
we met and he was on he was on the
like UC Santa Cruise improv group called Humor Force five,
a bad embarrassing improv team name if there ever was
a pretty bad I know. Yeah, that's always a fun
thing to do when you're meeting another you know, comedy
person as asked them the name of their embarrassing college

(23:39):
improv group. Right, yeah, oh yeah, we were fart Patrol Okay, yeah, sure,
we were Satellite of Love. Yeah, okay, I know right,
um so yeah, so uh so you know he so we,
So I started doing the improv group over there in
Force five and then uh Jesse also was a DJ

(24:02):
on the college radio station k S eighty eight point
one Fmweight and he uh yeah, so he he had
me come in and do little bits on his uh
college radio show, and then I started co hosting it
with him and yeah, and that was kind of the
you know, that was kind of the the zen Zenith Genesis.

(24:23):
What word am I looking for? The start the beginning
the Zenogists? Yeah, oh boy, that sounds like a rush
album Xenogists and uh and so we uh so yeah,
that was kind of the start of our podcast. So
we did that college radio show together. Um, what was

(24:43):
the name of it. It was called The Sound of
Young America, which became his NPR show where he changed
the name of bulls Eye. I used to love that name. Yeah,
I changed the name like man, sound like Young America
is so good. I know, I think it was. I
think it was like, um, it was some record label
slogan that might have sued him. So yeah, I think

(25:04):
it was like the that makes sense DAP tone slogan
at one point or something like that. Okay, Um, anyway,
so we uh so, yeah, so when he moved to
l A. So after college, I moved to l A
and started doing like pa jobs and he moved here
kind of shortly after. And then he's just like, do
you want to start doing our old college radio show
but on the internet it's called a podcast and yeah,

(25:25):
so we're still doing it today. Yeah, how many years now?
I think twelve years? Yeah, because you guys got in
about a year before I did. Yeah yeah, um so yeah,
I mean I think you know us and you and
Jimmy Pardo and and some of those early Ricky Gerveis
podcasts kind of some of the first of course, Yeah,

(25:45):
Mark men. I think Mark Marin was a little bit later,
a little later, but didn't like Jesse set him up,
I think, so yeah, I think there's that's part of it. Yeah,
he kind of helped him get his gear together. Um
so yeah, definitely, like you know we we we were
here before all us. When you're Cereals and you're making
the murderers, well it's funny too. I think that's a

(26:06):
Netflix show. I'm sorry, but you like murder on podcast?
You guys like murder? Yes? Anyway, when um, when Cereal
hit it big, and all the articles started flooding in
like New York Times Shreny Yorker about you know, the
this new thing, and I know a lot of us
had a sort of a half smirk about it all.
Yeah yeah, um, but also like I was smart enough

(26:30):
to know, like this is great, totally. Absolutely. You can
roll my eyes a little bit, but I love cereal. Yeah,
total cereal. Cereal is great. I mean yeah, I mean it. Yeah,
it was a little sill silly how it's like there's
this new thing called a podcast and it's also a cereal.
You know. I think then the like media was a
little dumb with that, but um yeah, absolutely no. I

(26:52):
think it's been huge for the industry and definitely like
so nice that you know, we can this thing that
we do, we can a keep doing it, We can
put it out every week without it being a financial
burden on us. And also maybe it could turn into
something else. It's great to see podcasters, you know, turning
their shows into books and TV shows and comics and

(27:13):
kind of all this other stuff. So it's really great
that not only can this be a little job, but
also it could maybe turn into something else. So that's
like awesome and I think that's you know, serial was
a big part of that for sure. Yeah, what is
someone who has done the same show for a long
time as well, Like what do you how do you
approach it after twelve years? Well, I mean Jordan jesse Go.

(27:36):
The show I do with Jesse is a it's kind
of its own. It's it's a special case because it
is not about anything. Uh, it's just us chatting with
a guest each week. Um, and we have some kind
of recurring segments and stuff like that. But it's you know,
for better or for worse, it is the two white
guys chatting podcast. It's the joke about podcasts. It's just

(27:58):
two white guys. You but it wasn't a joke when
you started. No, no, no, of course. And I think
you know that that was its own little genre for
a while and you know, um, but so you know,
I don't think you know, we have a we have
a really great, loyal, nice, nice fan base. They're not God.
It's so nice to do something on the internet for

(28:20):
not assholes. Yeah same here, man, We've got good folks. Yeah,
so we have this kind of great little pocket. It's
not a giant audience. But they're you know, they're strong,
and they're loyal and they like the show. Um, so yeah,
and you know, they donate to Max Fun, so you know,
we make a little bit of money each month from
their nice donations and so you know, it's not a
you know, it's not a financial suck on us to

(28:41):
do the podcast. So yeah, I mean I don't think.
I don't think either of us thinks that, you know,
twelve years in Jordan, Jesse go is going to become
you know, a TV show or something like that. But
I think it's it's fun. We get to see each other,
which is nice, you know, part of it, yeah, kind of.
I mean I think Jesse and I are very different

(29:02):
in that he uh, he is married with three kids
and you know, doesn't get out to hang a lot.
So I think the kind of the podcasts are hang
or we get to kind of catch up and you know,
like other friends too, you know, we you know, the
comics we have on the show or the people we
have on our show are usually buds. So it's you know,

(29:22):
it's a kind of a fun, little chance to catch up.
And yeah, and you know, and and the audience is
kind of nice and they you know, kind of kindly donate.
So it's like, Okay, we can still do this and
it's worth doing um. But yeah, I don't think I
think we you know, we do it because we love it,
and we do it because our fans are so nice.
I don't think we are looking to take it to

(29:44):
any other kind of level. So yeah, I think George
jesse Goes just kind of a nice part of my
life that has always been that will always just be
a pleasure. Like it's not yeah, it's it's it's it's
rarely stressful and it's rarely you know, anything, but yeah,
yeah it says it definitely does not feel like we're Yeah,
is it the kind of thing you want to do forever?
I think so. I mean I can't think of a

(30:05):
reason that we would stop doing Jordan jesse go I mean,
maybe there would be some sort of like hiatus if
you know, I don't know, if there was family stuff
for if I you know, yeah, who knows, maybe one
of us would get a job and you know, New
York or something and I would have to put it
on hold for a while. But yeah, I mean I
think it's something we want to do for the you know,

(30:27):
for the foreseeable future. I don't think there's any reason too.
It's cool. Yeah, my wife, it's funny. About two months
ago she heard a snippet of your theme song by
the Free Design Yes, on maybe a TV show. There
was an Amazon show. It was the Fred Armison Maya
Rudolph Amazon Shows. We've got a lot of tweets because

(30:50):
of that. Yeah, And she freaked out because she was
just like, I know that song. I know that and
she doesn't listen to podcasts um. So I was like, well,
I know, you don't know it from that uh, And
I was like, wait a minute, I know that song.
I figured out very quickly that was j J go Um.
But she did a deep dive on the internet and

(31:11):
realized it was a song that her babysitter sang for
her really when she would go to sleep when she
was a little kid. It does have lullabysh qualities. So
she like had this big moment of like all this
flood of memories coming back with the song. Hadn't heard
it since she was like four, and heard it again
and was like, oh my god. And I was like, yeah,

(31:32):
that's Jordan Jesse Goost theme song. He's like really and
learned all the words and now sings it to my
daughter and better. That's really cute. And I do a
little background like bum bum bum. That's great. I can't
commit the words to memory because I'm terrible like that,
but yeah, it's kind of become a fun little thing.
And like now every night when I put my daughter

(31:52):
to bed, like weirdly, in the back of my brain,
I'm thinking of you guys. That's funny. So yeah, I mean,
you should just complete the completely experience after you sing
the song to your daughter, just to make a bunch
of I was gonna say, make a bunch of dick
jokes and remember old Sega Genesis games, which is the
bulk of the podcast pretty much talking about our balls.
Remembering Sega Genesis. Um, let's talk about Bubble before we

(32:16):
get on the point break though. Um. That is the
scripted comedy show that you put out last year with
Max fun Yeah, and was how did that come about?
Was that your baby? Yeah? So I mean I for
years worked on the TV show at midnight on Comedy Central.
You had a good time doing that. Yeah, that was
a blast. That was a really fun writer's room. And

(32:37):
you know, just like the guests that they brought in
through that place were amazing. So it was like, you know,
getting a cool new coworker every day, and kind of
your first big professional writing gig, wasn't it Or wasn't Yeah,
I mean I had had other I had had a
lot of other jobs in like deep Cable and like
deep Deep Cable I was on. I've I did a

(32:58):
lot of writing for Channel six Wealth um so a
lot of like real obscure cable stuff and like internet stuff.
But At Night was my first w g a job certainly,
and uh yeah, definitely my first you know, thing that
was kind of high profile, more than people who watched
Channel six and twelve had heard about. Um so. Yeah.

(33:21):
So kind of that show was kind of approaching the end,
and I think we all kind of knew it was
the end, and you know, everybody kind of started getting there.
They're writing samples in order to go out and look
for jobs. Got to get those packets ready. So yeah,
I kind of was thinking about the kind of thing
I wanted to do after at Midnight, um And you know,
I mean I think I was like, okay, well boy,

(33:45):
late night is sure a lot of trump, you know,
so I guess, you know, the idea of doing more
kind of news jokes seemed a little exhausting to me.
Um so yeah, but I'm like, Okay, what do I like?
I like sci fi, I like genre stuff. I like
you know, I love it when that stuff has a
sense of humor, like you know, uh so, yeah, so

(34:05):
maybe I'll try and write a funny sci fi thing.
So I kind of had this vague idea of a
you know, of a hipster city that was kind of
like a silver Lake or a Portland or a Brooklyn
that you know, that was really great and had all
this cool coffee and all these bike lanes and dog parks,
but also it had these space monsters that killed you

(34:26):
when you went for your morning job, you know. And
I think it's part of you know, just kind of
the joke of that being that, like, you know, to
live in one of these cool places is very nice,
but it's also hard, Like it's expensive, and you know,
cities can be nightmarish, and you know, and now that
people are you know, relying on the gig economy more,
it's like how do you make your rent in one

(34:46):
of these places? So, you know, kind of taking the
struggle of that and you know, and just adding a
sci fi element to it. So yeah, So I kind
of had this idea of a you know, a hipster
city where you had to fight monsters, and kind of,
you know, kind slowly just kind of in my notes
app kind of jotted down little ideas for characters or
what the world would be like or the backstory and yeah,

(35:08):
and then just kind of like sat down to write
it one day and were thinking TV. I was thinking TV. Yeah,
And I didn't necessarily think it was something people would
make because it's crazy, uh so, but I thought this
could be a good sample, Like this is a good
sample to you know, that would get people from you know,
the Flash or whatever to interview me. So, you know,
so I wrote the So I wrote the sample, and

(35:30):
we did a little staged reading of it here at
in at a little comedy theater, and you know, just
recorded that and put out the audio. And I'm like, okay, well,
that's something I've kind of got on other people with
writing samples, is that I know podcast people, so I
can make a little podcast like thing out of this,
and um, you know, and that's that's that's the that'll

(35:52):
set it apart from the other fucking pile of scripts
people get every day. Uh yeah, so we you know swee.
So I so we made at and then I had
a couple of meetings about Bubble and you know, you know,
kind of the tone of them all was like this
is this is cool, we like this, We will never
make this, you know. So yeah, there was a lot

(36:13):
of like that. It was kind of frustrating, and I'm like,
oh boy, I mean a lot of people seem to
be responding to this thing, but nobody wants to do
anything with it. You know. That's the weird disconnect. Um.
So yeah, So then I think Jesse and Max fun
we're thinking about trying something scripted. Um you know, so
I think that was kind of a natural choice for

(36:34):
them because it already had a little fan base from
the staged reading. Um. So yeah. So I think then
then you know, they they Yeah, they just kind of
invested some money into hiring editors, writers, actors and kind
of yeah, tried to do it as legit as possible,
tried to make it as a as TV like an
experience as possible. Uh yeah. Then we did eight episodes,

(36:57):
soon to be nine episodes, and uh yeah, and it's
it's it. Uh, it really it really took off in
a way that was surprising and delightful. Yeah, thank you guys. Uh,
you see, I mean you're a groundbreaker, and I don't
think you know that, like you know, with Jordan jesse
go Is starting out years ago, and then with Bubble,

(37:19):
I think is I mean, it's got to be the
probably the biggest scripted comedy show that's been out right. Yeah. Well,
I mean there's a lot of other there's a lot
of other really great scripted genre things out there. Welcome
to night Vale comes to mind, they, um, and The
Bright Sessions is another great one. Um. And yeah, they've
they've all kind of been doing this sort of thing

(37:42):
for a while with great success, and you know they
all have a lot of fans. Um. But yeah, I
mean I think, you know, I think Bubble was notable
just because it was such a production you know it. Um,
you know, we didn't want it to be like Found Audio,
which I think a lot of things for mostly for
production reasons, are all kind of like this has found Audio,

(38:04):
I mean, which is I mean, I which is a
very cool way to do it. But I think, you know,
I just kind of felt like that had been done.
So yeah, So I think Bubble was just notable because
it is a you know, it is a TV like
product for your ears, and it had a you know,
continuity and you know, it had an arc and stuff
like that. So yeah, I think I think it was cool.
I think we were definitely trying to do something new ish, um.

(38:27):
And yeah, and I think we did. I think it's
pretty you know, it definitely is. It's you know, yeah,
I think it does feel unique in the world of
scripted podcasts. Yeah. And I think the timing of it too, Um,
this was pretty pretty great. Like five years ago, it
may not have registered like it did now. Yeah, I
think you're right. I think, you know, podcasts have been

(38:49):
going on for long enough, and you know, and I
think there's a certain I mean you, I'm sure you
encounter this when you're you know, sitting next to some
strangers at a wedding trying to explain what a podcast is.
And I think that now people have caught on to
the you know, to the technology, and there they are

(39:11):
willing to try some stuff that is a little more
out there artistically, um, which is great. Uh, you know,
And I think, yes, I think that you know, there
are enough chat podcasts, and there are enough news podcasts.
I think people plenty of true crime. There's plenty of
true crime if you want to Yes, if you want
to hear about a murder, there are now podcast devoted

(39:31):
exclusively to eye trauma. Any kind of murder you like,
you can get a boutique podcast just for yeah. Right, Um,
do you like choking. There's a whole choking section of
iTunes of Apple podcasts. Just type in murder dot choking
you can get anyway. Um. So yeah, I don't know.

(39:55):
I think I think people are just like cool, I
got this podcast. Are part of my life, They're part
of my commute, they're part of my media intake. Let's
let's try something new. Yeah, that's cool. I think we're
all interested to see where that goes. Yeah, definitely, And
it's definitely nice, you know, I think, you know, being
in a town that is full of people who have
scripts that they love, who that don't go anywhere, it's

(40:15):
nice that there's options you can do podcasts or comics
or web series or Yeah. So it is cool that
some of these great ideas that are are great. But
you know, do you know the TV can still be
very conservative. Um, not politically necessarily, but just like yeah, totally.

(40:37):
So it's nice that, you know, just feeling like just
because something is two out there for NBC, that it
would never find an audience. Yeah. I mean, it's it's
a cool time to be a creator and a writer,
I think because gone to the days where you're just
sort of sitting around waiting for your phone to ring, um,
you can be much more like proactive totally and how
you get your stuff out there. Yeah, exactly. It is

(40:59):
really nice to it's nice to live in a world
where you don't have to like rely on other you
don't have to get permission to work. You know, like
if you want to do this, you can do it,
you know. And you know, obviously we all would like
to make some money and we'd all like to be
paid and have health insurance and stuff. But as far
as the creative part of it is like you can
create your thing and you can have people who like

(41:20):
your thing. Um and hopefully the money and the health
insurance comes later. But yeah, but it's nice to know that.
Um uh yeah, it's nice to know that you can
do that. Yeah, yeah, it's great. Shall we let's shall
with point Break. Oh, I would love to all right, Um,

(41:44):
this movie came out when I was a uh, the
summer before my sophomore year in college, and for some
reason that summer, me and my two friends Chris and
Jerry saw a bunch of movies together. We I think
we're just in the same town and board and um,
Point Break was one of like the big ones that

(42:05):
year for us that I have cool, like very distinct
memories of going to see this and I even remember it. Uh.
It rained very very hard after we saw it, and
my friend you were getting out of the movie and
you're like, it's the fifty year storm. We're in it, dude,
that was it. And we were in my friend's jeep
who had the top down. It wasn't raining when we

(42:26):
went in. And I remember this great drive and the
pouring rain with the you know, and we were making
all the jokes about Point Break and the fifty year storm,
and it's just one of those movies that really like, uh,
the actual viewing of the movie still stands out to me.
That's awesome all these years later. Yeah, I mean it's
a great movie to see with like a big group.
It's a movie about groups and tribes and kind of

(42:48):
made families. So it's nice. It's nice to see that
with your kind of like friend family. Yeah, what was
your deal? And I mean you you probably saw this
on VHS later, right, Yes, so this was don't specifically
remember the first time I saw this, but I remember
it being a sleepover movie, like a movie that people
had on VHS and maybe kind of later DVD, um,

(43:10):
and it would be something you would put on at
a sleepover and kind of watched the first couple of
minutes and then you know, just sleepover ship would start.
You know, you'll start talking and fucking with each other
and you know, sleepover ship. Uh So, so you know,
it was a movie that I had seen, but like
had not like I had fond memories of. And I've

(43:31):
obviously everything stopped, all the sleepover ship stopped when Yo
Lori Petty was towel changing by her car um. So
you know, there was like there was kind of like
parts that we love, but it was something that I
had fond memories of, but rarely sat down to watch
the whole thing, you know, And of course you knew

(43:52):
the lines you're viacondos, you know, are you going to
jump or jerk off, I'm young, dumb and full of come.
There's so many, so many lines in this so yeah,
it was kind of a movie that existed in little
chunks and yeah, and then I remember, like in college,
actually sitting down and like watching it in a dark

(44:14):
room and paying attention and going like, this is kind
of a great movie. Like this is kind of a
food boy, I might get some ship for this. This
is a diehard caliber action movie that is cool and
thoughtful and very funny. It is very funny. Um Like
watching it, it's uh, I mean it's it's corny as hell,

(44:37):
but like that's because that's the kind of movies that
they were making then, Like the DNA of Catherine Bigelow's
career was all there, but that she just wasn't allowed
to make movies like The hurt Locker totally at that point. Yeah,
and it just it does feel like this movie is
is a commentary and maybe even a little bit of

(45:00):
a satire on those kinds of movies. It's definitely a
turned up to eleven version of those you know Van
Dam Steven Seagal, you know, Bruce Willis, Sylvester Stallone movies. Yeah,
and it does feel yeah, just like just totally making
that up. I don't think so. And I think that's

(45:21):
that's a big question about point Break and how much
of its funny on purpose, And it's a fun thing
to kind of puzzle out. And I do, I do
genuinely think that the crazy stuff they know is crazy
and they're doing it for fun. I mean, I think
I think that, you know, a great example of that
is there's this awesome foot chase where Kennas just chasing

(45:43):
one of the best foot chases. Yeah, and he's are
really well put together. And sometimes, you know, sometimes when
you go back and watch all these action movies, the
action doesn't hold up, just because action has changed so much.
It's like, how do you watch how do you watch
Kickboxer in a world where you've also seen the raid?
It's like it just looks so fucking lame. But this

(46:04):
movie is you know, is done by a pretty brilliant filmmaker,
and so the action is really terrific, holds up. But
there's this moment in that chase, yes, sir, I mean,
it's it's iconic. It's iconic. It is Bruce Willis walking
over the glass, it is Patrick Swaycy throws a dog
at Keanu ree K catches it and then punts it

(46:26):
like a football. They know that's funny. They know that.
Oh and it's so funny. I as I watched it
for this, I let it. I let the credits play, um,
because I was enjoying the rat the rat song. Oh god,
what is that song called Nobody Writes for Free? Um?
It was, and I was enjoying the music, and I

(46:47):
just kind have I noticed the the you know, the
part where it says animals were not harmed in the
making of this, so I had never seen this before,
And the credits it says, uh, and there is a
scene of an animal being harror but the but a
decoy of the animal? Was you really? Yeah? So yeah,
they I think. I mean that's a pretty good was

(47:09):
Punting a False Dog another great Rush album? Yeah, punting
a False Dog? You're gonna have to come with one more,
you know, Okay, I will rule it threes Yeah, um,
I know I'm a comedy professional. Yeah that was for
the listener, so yeah, um so yeah, But I do
think there are there moments like that, you know, kind

(47:31):
of kind of let you know that they get how
crazy some of this stuff is so there's no way
throw a pit bull at a guy in a fight,
because that means, if you think about what's going on,
he would have had to have if you're if you're body,
if you would have had to run out of the
front of that house with him right behind you see

(47:53):
this pit bull and decide I'm going to pick this
dog up and wait until he gets here and then
throw it at him. Um, it's so great, it's awesome.
I forget all about that moment and it's one of
the like one of the great great moments. Yeah, and
it is in the middle of a really well put together,
cool chase. So it's like you have you have this

(48:14):
like cool filmmaking on display just with these I don't know,
with these crazy moments that that that you know are
kind of jokes, and there's so much impossible stuff in
this movie you know that is played really seriously. So yeah,
the jumping back to the beginning that that first bit
of exposition from John C. McGinley is really like something else.

(48:35):
He's so good in this, like you know, the whole
deal of like writing those uh exposition scenes at the
beginning to like set everything up in there, so so
many clever ways of doing that where it doesn't appear
like you're doing exposition and they just flat out like
he's walking down in the hall and he's like, so
you're Johnny Utah, first day on the job, first day

(48:56):
in the new city, and like he literally is like
l a bank rob, recapital of the world. He just
lays it all out there in like thirty seconds. It's
so great, you know, and exactly and then you know,
you know, he he makes us like joke about Kiano's diet.
He's like, he's like, oh, you got you know, my
guys don't drink. They don't and they hell and they
sure as hell don't smoke. Kians like I take the

(49:17):
skin off chicken stir. And then later, like in the
middle of that conversation, Kiano picks up a donut and
he's eating the donut. Yeah, and then John C McGinley says, like,
you know, he says something about like what a dicky
is and he's like, it's like, did they call you
because we had an asshole shortage? There are a lot
of great lines like that, I know, and he I
think he is definitely a heightened kind of comic version

(49:39):
of the like hard ass police chief, you know, I
think they definitely he's kind of a sketch comedy version
of that archetype. Well, and it's it's full of good actors.
I mean, this could have been, um, this could have
been a different movie if it would have been Van
Dam surrounded by nameless but like, yeah, John c. McGinley
in a very small role. He's a great actor totally

(50:01):
and kind of across the board. I mean, Kenna Reeves
is Kannah Reeves. He's Kiano and he's I mean he's
Kiano and hard in this. Yeah. I used to make
fun of him and then I had a friend who
worked with him and he said, a the nicest dude
you'd ever meet, And he said, be he he beats
himself up so much about the job that he's doing.

(50:23):
Really and I instantly like felt bad as a person.
We're making fun of his acting, I know. I mean
I think he's really trying. I think he is trying,
and I think he's doing And again it's like how
much of Kiana was on purpose? Yeah, I think a
lot of it. I mean, like if you look at
like Bill and Ted, like he's this crazy version of

(50:43):
a Valley stoner guy and then kind of like walk
that back for subsequent movies. I don't know, I do.
I do think he knows what a Keanu is supposed
to do. And I think he's gotten better over the
years as an actor. Um, it's that tone, that voice
of his. Yeah, it's it's sort of hard to leap
past that sometimes because he does sound like Ted or

(51:06):
Bill Wait ship Ted. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna get Ted
Theodore Logan. That's right. I forget sometimes. Uh but yeah,
he's he's a good actor though, I s Yeah, And
he's been been great and stuff since then, and he
definitely like, yeah, he definitely like kind of plays with
his persona in fun ways. I think. Uh So the
ex Presidents I think is a brilliant sort of conceit.
It's awesome for bank robbers, um because you know, you

(51:31):
like you get that moment with like Ronald Reagan in
his tuxedo spraying this gas torch? Is there a cooler
shot in action movies? And I guess I don't know
enough about like Reagan's presidency to like unpacked the symbolism
of that, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know

(51:52):
how much political commentaries in that image. But it's so
it's like it's it's yeah, it's it's like it's so powerful,
just like a guy in a Reagan mask, you know,
launching fire all over this gas station. It's really beautiful
too anyway, So yeah, definitely one of my yeah, great
bad guys. And then uh, busy you know Bucy having

(52:13):
recently won an Oscar what Yeah, didn't he win for
the Buddy Holly movie. Oh recently then yeah? Oh yes,
no not now, yeah he won. Was like dude, since
he's okay, so he was coming off of an Oscar
win in ninety one, then I think so or close
to it, Yeah, I think so for the Buddy Holly movie.

(52:35):
Um so yeah. But yeah, definitely, like you know, this
is a a you know, a kind of a harbinger
of things to come for Bucy is kind of cookie
out there madman role. Um, but yeah, maybe this is
the first time he kind of played this way. Yeah.
I like the first that scene where there's just so

(52:55):
many ridiculous things in it. It's great, like they're in
the office after that scene over Mulholland Drive, which is great,
and um, Kenna Reeves is like drinking a beer and
you're like, Okay, he's drinking a beer and then Gary
a whole bottle of Jack Daniels. It kind of comes

(53:17):
from off screen to Yeah, it's just kind of like
they're working just drinking whiskey out of the bottle. It is. Yeah,
it's hilarious. Yeah, they definitely, like I feel like they
definitely let him run wild in this. There's definitely a
lot of like little busy is ms. I think there's
this point where he's like pointing a gun at this
thug and he's like speaking to the microphone squid for brains,

(53:38):
Like that could not have been in the script. Uh.
And Lori Petty, like you mentioned the clothes changing scene,
Like man that I mean, if you were a kid
back then, like Lori Petty was super cool and like pretty,
but like not like this, she seems somewhat attainable. And

(54:02):
the way she carried herself on screen. Yeah, I mean
she was a pretty I mean she was a pretty
I mean, you know, I mean I think looking back,
like you know, all of these action movies had pretty
pretty flimsy female characters, and I think that you know,
in a lot of ways, she is you know, she
is kind of underwritten and you know, kind of there
as a uh you know, it's kind of a plot convenience.

(54:23):
She gets kidnapped, has to get saved, like, you know.
But for the time, I do think she was a
really like a pretty, like amazing, you know female character
that I think these types of movies did not have.
I mean she yeah, I mean I do love I
do love how much ship she gives Keanu when he
wants her to teach him how to surf. There's this

(54:45):
great part where she kind of saves him. She pulls
him out of the water when he's trying to surf
on his own, and as she's kind of running off,
he's like, my name is Johnny Utah and she just
hear her off screen go who cares? And I think
the movie was called Johnny Utah at first, so I
think they I don't know, I think that was a
joke on the fact that was supposed to be the

(55:06):
title of the movie. She could not give less of
a funk about him. Yeah, and she's and she's great
and I love how she's you know, she's the most
competent surfer. And you know, in that scene where they're
all playing like touch football, she's the one who scores
the touchdown. So yeah, they really, like, you know, they
really try to round her out in ways that maybe

(55:27):
she would not have been if the movie was made
by a man. Yeah, I think so, um yeah, I
mean and again with with that said, I think she's
still you know, a little bit, a little bit flimsy.
And I think you would, you know, you would not
make a movie with an underdeveloped female character like that now.
But I mean I think for the time she was
so yeah, I mean obviously, like you know, definitely like

(55:47):
if you were a you know, if you were if
you were a little little punk kid, she was. She
was the She was the as as as babe a
babe as you could get. Yeah. Yeah, so Laurie Petty
gave many special feelings sure to me, even as a
sophomore in colum and then you know, then league of
their own, it's another anyway. Yeah, she's uh I looked

(56:08):
her up to Actually she's she's still around, Yeah, still
doing it out there, grinding anything. Imagine she still gets
tired of being called Billy Jean on the streets. I
bet she she got that a lot. Who was that
actress Helen something legend of Billy Jean. I know, you mean,
I even thought it was Lori Petty and I was like, no,
of course it's not. Uh. During the surfing school scene,

(56:31):
I'm gonna point out some of the cornball things along
the way. But during the scene where she's teaching him
to surf, I don't know if you noticed the lyrics
of the song. No, I don't think I did. I
Will not fall. It is like the nose, so on
the nose, it's great, It's really wonderful. Then I'm learning
to serve. It comes on. But then she tells him

(56:54):
about body and this is one of the great lines
of the movie. Bodhi. They call him Bodhisata. He's a
modern and savage, a real searcher. Yeah, so great, But
it sets up that character, you know, sure does. Yeah,
and he's he is. He is a really great character,
really like great, complicated, weird villain. Yeah and yeah, that
is a kind of a funny, clumsy intro to him,

(57:15):
modern savage, modern savage. Can you imagine that looked like
on the page to Laurie Petty. Yeah, but Swayzi is great.
I mean I was. I was not ashamed to stick
up for Roadhouse man. Yeah, Roadhouse Rules. Yeah, it's like
one of the one of the great movies of the time.
And um, you know we're talking about fun movies, not

(57:37):
obviously not Oscar Winner. Yeah, but Roadhouse is great and
you know, Dirty Dancing. I saw enough to appreciate. Um,
And he was just sort of like in this movie
to see him. We saw him like we had never
seen him with that sort of blonde hair and you know,
all tanned up and stuff, and it was like the

(57:57):
coolest Swayzy I had seen anything, I know in the
movie of He definitely like the movie definitely like aggles him,
you know, definitely in a you know if if you know,
if we if we definitely ugle Laurie Petty a little
bit when she's changing clothes. Definitely like really, let you
let you drink Swayzie in for a lot of this, Yeah,
for sure. Um yeah, which I which I think is
kind of cool that he's objectified that much. Um Yeah,

(58:22):
I don't know. Yeah, just just a great character and
I love I love how how spiritual he is compared
to the rest of the Duface is in the Gang. Yeah,
it's interesting because he talks a lot about it. Um
and it's even like bullshit in a way because he
talks about like how much he hates violence, like in

(58:44):
the midst of committing violence. Yeah, I mean, they really,
like they do make a meal out of the moment
in the foiled bank robbery where he has to shoot
the undercover cop, Like they definitely linger on that, as
you know, and you can kind of see his eyes
through the mass, can see his eyes, you know, you know,
you could see him realizing that he's turned a corner.

(59:05):
That like ships falling apart. It's a really cool little
moment for sure. Yeah. I think it works. Yeah, I mean,
but you mean obviously like, yeah, there is a you know,
there is there is a uh, there is a disconnect
about how what a peaceful, chill dude he is and
how much ship he kicks throughout the movie. During that
one great scene he talks about the purpose of the
whole thing is like it's like it's not about money, man, Yeah,

(59:28):
oh yeah, it's people in their fucking coffins on the
three way metal coffins. So they are He's he's literally
saying that they are keeping the human spirit alive by
robbing banks like violent mayhem, like showing all these people,
like the human spirit is still alive everybody, I know.
I think that very flimsy. Yes, that point could have

(59:50):
been better illustrated. It would have been nice to see.
I don't know, like, oh, people are dressing up like
the ex presidents and you know it wasn't a flash
mob though. No, it does seem like you're just robbing
bags and masks. Although maybe that's you know, maybe that's
part of the Maybe that was just what they were
telling themselves. They were like, oh, this is inspiring people.

(01:00:11):
We get Anthony Keatas Anthony Keatas and a little cameo
is one of the there's like, yeah, they're the Yeah,
it's like Squeeze and his gang are the good thugs,
and then we have this group of bad thugs and
they're legit scary. I remember like when I first saw
that movie being totally pretty freaked out. Yeah, those are
some like severe looking surfer burnouts. Well cast. Everybody there

(01:00:34):
is really well cast, I think. Yeah, and the raids
scene on their house was really great. Yeah, that's an
awesome scene. Yeah. A lot a lot of funny little
like visual jokes in that. It is funny. How you know,
there's you know, this kind of movie of the time
always had a moment where there was just a nude woman.
That's part of as a teenager why we liked them

(01:00:56):
so much. They would find any reason to have just nakedness. Yeah, exactly,
Like I think there's in Commando, there's this shot where
Arnold is fighting someone at a motel and he throws
someone through the door and there's just a nude woman
in the hotel being nude. Uh So this this this
raid scene has a woman who is just in the shower,
but she beats up like three people, like stabs a

(01:01:18):
guy in the back. Yeah. I like that they are
you know, And again I think it's part of, you know,
part of the argument for this movie being a kind
of commentary on these kinds of movies, and that the
gratuitous nude woman actually uh hurts a bunch of people
and is yeah, and she doesn't just she doesn't just
you know, I mean, obviously we're you know, we're we're

(01:01:40):
trying to intellectualize a moment of ten A, which is,
you know, there's some there's some intellectual gymnastics going on here.
But I do I do think that was a conscious
decision and I do think it is them saying that,
you know, can we can we give can we give
a little more agency to these to these nude women.
I mean she does, she kicks more acid, randomly grabs

(01:02:03):
a knife and stabs somebody. So yeah, but yeah, very
cool scene. I love it when Anthony Katis accidentally shoots
himself in the foot so great. Yeah, yeah, that one
really stood out to me. Is something that like stuck
with me and I also love I love in these
scenes in these kinds of like movies when just random
dirt bags have crazy automatic weapons, their weapons arsenal is insane.

(01:02:26):
These guys are drug dealers, but they have they seem
to have grenade launchers. Yeah, now they do that guy
that one dude had that whatever that was, that weird
tommy gunn shotguns Yeah, hybrid or whatever that was. I know,
it's like, how did these guys get I mean, I
don't know, movie, it's a I mean, that's a commentary
on gun culture. I don't know. But well, I had
friends too like this. Um So, I was a sophomore

(01:02:47):
in college and my best friend from high school was
one of the suburban um Inland suburban kids who was
still way into like the skater and self sort culture.
So he went to college in Florida so he could serve.
And I went down there a couple of times, and
like I knew these dudes like this, this everyone, the

(01:03:11):
ex presidents. I felt like I met at Flagler College. Uh,
and I knew those surf and of course I'm sure
you did growing up totally. Yeah, Like these were real people. Um.
They I mean they didn't seem like they were like
forty years old like these guys did. Um, but it
was it was a culture that, Yeah, there's a guy
in this who's like, I'm gonna die before I'm thirty.

(01:03:31):
I'm like, you were thirty five years ago. I gotta
go back in time and commit suicide if that's gonna
happen part yeah before I'm thirty. Man. Okay, But I
kind of knew like who these guys were and in
the whole Uh, like violent surf culture is like a
real thing. Yeah, I mean I think they're you know

(01:03:52):
you do here. It's funny there's that documentary about about
Venice skateboard culture Dogtown in Zebel. Yeah, and you know
it really like romanticizes kind of late seventies skate culture.
And you know, I guess the idea is that it
started with surfing. You know, it started with surfing, and
then you know, when they couldn't go out in the

(01:04:12):
water because it was too polluted or whatever, they would skateboard.
So it starts out with all these like seventies skaters
talking about their time as surfers, and they're like and
you know, and this is supposed to be a fun
part of the movie. There's part where one of the guys,
like you know, Tony Alva or something like that, goes
it's like, yeah, you know, we were pretty protective of
our breaks. It was locals only, so if we saw
a guy on the water we didn't recognize, we would

(01:04:35):
stand up on the pier and drop a cinder block
on him. And I'm like, what, that's not fun here.
You you're probably a murderer that probably that would kill someone.
He's talking about it, like childhood antics would drop cinder
blocks on people from piers if we didn't recognize them.

(01:04:55):
It's like, it's like, that's supposed to be a fun culture.
But like you guys were kind of psychos, you know,
and maybe you know, maybe people's brains were kind of fried.
From drugs. So yeah, I think that that world of
of of extreme sports, uh definitely has like a little
dark side that I think this thing played with in
a way. Yeah, And like I'm glad that they made

(01:05:18):
sense out of what they were doing, because when you're
first seeing that movie, well, when you're first seeing it
when you're twenty or whatever, you just believe whatever. But
when I was watching yesterday, I kind of forgotten the
detail that they were running meth. Yeah, and I was like,
why do these guys have all these guns and what's
going on? But they were truly bad dudes of course,
like running drugs and what's his name, Tom Sizemore, Oh yeah,

(01:05:42):
he was the guy. Oh yeah, I got all piste off.
It's kind of an early size more appearance. Again, this
movie filled with the filled with better actors and needs, yeah,
much better actors than it needs. I have a note
here that just says, I'm fucking surfing during during the
mid night, sir. Yeah right, He's like, then when this

(01:06:04):
becomes yeah, I mean they think that's the day or
that's the night, rather when it goes from being an
undercover job to like I'm in too deep. Yeah, Like
I love these guys. That's when he and Laurie Petty
have sex on the beach. They kiss out in the
water on their boards. Beautiful moment. Uh yeah, So, I
mean I think that's the you know, that's kind of
the turning point for him. Yeah. Oh, just one more

(01:06:26):
quick note before we move on from the Meth House.
It starts with people are staking them out and you
see one of the meth guys pouring pouring beer on cereal. Anyway,
that's so funny. It's great, great little like, great little
visual joke. Well, and that's like, this does have James
Cameron's fingerprints on it, for better or for worse. Yeah,

(01:06:46):
I think he. I think the you know, at least
according to IMDb trivia, he and Katherine Bigelow kind of
rewrote an existing script, but there was they were dating, right,
I think they were married at this point. I'm not
I don't know for certain, but I think they were
at this point. Yeah, so I think they rewrote it together.
And yeah, there's definitely some Cameron ship in this. Yeah,
there's definitely, I mean, yeah, definitely some of the you know,

(01:07:08):
some of the more awkward dialogue. I would go ahead
and probably a tribute to him. Uh you know, yeah,
he's a man has made some amazing films. Where do
you stand on him? Uh? Boy? I mean you know,
camera movies are always they're always a blast and they
always look cool. Um yeah, I mean definitely. The man
is not a master of dialogue. Or maybe he's doing
it on purpose. Maybe he's trying to make things more

(01:07:29):
like a fairy tale or simplistic or something like that.
But I mean, yeah, I mean I would think that.
I always I always like them, um, but yeah, but
they always have some they always have some like kind
of cornball I roll stuff that you gotta get past
to enjoy the spectacle. I agree. Writing is not a
strong suit. No, let somebody else write him camera exactly.

(01:07:51):
I'm sure he's gonna you gotta write him. The bank
steakout scene kills me because they're they're staking out this bank. Yeah,
and just they're they're the worst steakout guys ever. Yeah,
he's like, he'll give me a sandwich, and that's it's
all happening behind him, give me too. He's reading the comics. Yeah,

(01:08:11):
he's reading. Yeah, you're literally in there robbing the bank.
Can you see? It's like laughing at laughing at Calvin
and Hobbs in the newspaper, and he makes Kiana go
get him meatball sandwiches to meatball sandwiches, and the whole
thing is going on right behind them. And then he
gets back and he's like, hey, you know that that
continental How long has that been there? It's like, what continentals?

(01:08:32):
What are you doing? You know? Yeah, there's such boos.
It was a good scene though. The bank robbery scene, yeah,
it's neat is pretty cool, and like I think the
I mean, listen, it is what it is. It's point break,
but there really is something going on with the last
half hour of that film where Keanu Like the coolest

(01:08:54):
thing that happened in the movie, I think is when
after that he was outed after the big Foot chase
with Swayzy, Swayzy and the gang show up at his house. Yeah,
and are just like, what's up man? I know, yeah,
that's your face cut. Like that really ramps up the
tension totally. I mean it definitely shows, you know, definitely
like is a good example of these guys. You know,

(01:09:18):
this gang will just take that adrenaline rush wherever they
can get it. It's like how they live their lives.
I mean do they are kind of junkies, Like at
that point, they could leave town. They successfully robbed the bank,
but they like go to fucking taunt Kanu. You know.
It's like yeah, it's like wow, these guys, you know,
these guys are just you know, living on the edge

(01:09:39):
at all times. Yeah. Um yeah, that is a neat moment,
the like who's going to say we know first? You know, yeah,
someone's gonna blink. Uh and and that sequence is good.
The skydiving said, Yeah, the skydiving is awesome. It's a
lot of fun. Yeah. I think Squazy did his own skydiving.
He did, he got into it. You can tell when
you're watching it. You can see some of those dirty

(01:10:01):
dancing moves that like he's a trained dancer. He does
have like beautiful like he does arches back in beautiful ways,
nice aerial moves. Yeah, he's so yeah, he's so graceful.
He's a Yeah, he's a really really beautiful performer, even
when skydiving. Um yeah, definitely, that like who packed my
shoot moment is cool. It's really a cool moment of tension.

(01:10:23):
Um yeah, and uh yeah, there's definitely a lot of
skydiving in this movie. Yeah, but then they like, um
ramp it up even further by like forcing him to
take part. I thought, like, I thought this movie got
really good in that third act. Yeah, like it was fun,
but that third act was some legit poker playing and

(01:10:44):
chess matching. I think, to like force him to go
and rob the bank, they have Lori Petty with with
the one metal head who all he does is like
spitting kids. His name is Rosie Rosy. Yeah. Um, but
that was a good move, like all of a sudden,
Candy was part of the gang. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah,
And I really like that part of like you kind

(01:11:05):
of see Kianu enjoying this stuff. You know, he had lived,
he had lead this kind of button up life. They
talked about him going to Quantico. Yeah, you kind of
like see him enjoy robbing the bank and there's this
moment of like yeah, and it's like it's Swayzy trying
to convince him that this is the way to live. Yeah,
Like I felt like that for sure Swayze wanted him
to be on the team. Yeah, totally, he wants you

(01:11:27):
to turn him. Yeah, I mean I think that was Yeah,
that seemed to be like you know right, it's like
this is not this is not helping you rob the bank,
but it is part of your emo to see if
you can absorb more people into this gang, right. Yeah.
And you can definitely tell that they were like you know, yeah,
I mean that's kind of the other love story of
the movie between between Johnny Utah and Bodhi. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:11:50):
so it's definitely a a you know, yes, there is,
there's that love story going onto. Yeah. It's interesting because
I never really kind of put that all together until
watching last night. And they like and they spare each
other so much in this like there are so many
chances where one could have killed the other one, but
they stop at the last second. Um, you know, Keana

(01:12:10):
not shooting him in the alley. I think at the
end it's like he you know, body's drowning him and
lets him up. But there's this moment about like they
just can't end it, you know, yeah, yeah, they just
have to keep keep themselves in this cycle. Yeah he uh, well,
you know they have the great shoot out at the
at the airport, yes, where basically everybody dies. But then yeah, boy,

(01:12:32):
this is a real blood bath. I really forgot how
many main characters just eat it in the end of
this movie. Yeah, and even jameson gross they you know,
he doesn't quite die yet, but his his plan, you know,
Boddy's plan is all right, you've got two bullets to
the chest, but we're gonna parachute you down into Mexico
with a bag full of money. You know. When he
hands him a big gun too, it's like, you're gonna

(01:12:54):
be just fine. Yeah, so this plan is solid. I know.
The guy just kind of flops out of the plane too.
That was a funny yeah, whoa okay, Bye, I know,
I'm sure skydivers take issue with some stuff in this movie. Yeah,
but you know that's a cool moment that in the
service of fun. Yeah, without a shoot, like without a shot,

(01:13:15):
fuck it. Yeah, that's one of the great moments. I know. Yeah,
he does say fuck it and he literally say and uh,
you know they have that one, you know, part of
the whole one upmanship of like who's more extreme? Like
that carries to its final conclusion there with the parachuting. Yeah,
like they literally have a conversation while they're falling to
their death and then yeah, and then I think at

(01:13:36):
the at the end Patrick Tracey says, you're one radical
son of a bitch. It's great, and then there's here's
a weird part of that though. I Mean, I think
they keep going back to Kiana's trick knee because that's
what kept him out of football, and then you know,
I think later on in the movie he injures it. Uh. Yeah,
and after they skydive with two men one parachute and

(01:13:58):
hit the ground, uh Patrick Swaze gets up to get
away Kiana's knee ax up. It's like, that's like, you
have so many other injuries at this point, right, But
he's like no, but it ends like and the only
way it could end. Yeah, that that great final scene

(01:14:18):
with at the fifty year Storm. Yeah, he finally finds
that finds that wave he's been chasing all his life,
and Kiana lets him go to have one last ride. Yeah,
And it's cool when he catches up to him and
he tells him like I was like a week behind
you in Sumatra and I just missed you here and
like his hair is long now, so like you get
this real sense that he's been you know, on this mission.

(01:14:40):
There's a whole other movie there. There is of like
Keanu tailing Swazie to surf spots. Yeah, they should have
made that movie. I know, right, there's so much more
point break to be explored. I think it's it's I mean,
you know, obviously I will have the cold take that
there are too many sequels and reboots, but come on,
let's let's let's be this ship. It's rich. Did you

(01:15:01):
see the remake? Yeah? I did. So boring. Yeah, it's
really boring. There's a remake in and I think it
has the It has the dubious honor of being one
of the lowest grossing movies of that year. I think
it really released on Christmas Day, even I watched on
an HBO when it kind of came out later. Um,
and the like the extreme sports stuff is really beautifully shot.

(01:15:25):
I think it was all shot, you know, with IMAX
in mind. So there's like wingsuit stuff, so I think
all that is really cool to look at, but it
seems like just a you know, a demo for a
flat screen TV and Best Buy. You know, it's just like,
look at this, and then the story is so boring.
Everybody is such a nothing. All the actors are such nothings.
And I think, you know, like like we were saying,

(01:15:46):
part of you know, part of part of what makes
this movie so great is that, like there's all these cool,
fun actors acting in this you know, uh, in this
kind of corny action movie. So yeah, they really like
just pick good looking zeros to play all the characters,
and it is not funny. It's not funny. That's what
people like about Point Break. They don't. People aren't. I mean,

(01:16:07):
the action is cool, this guydiving is cool, but they're not.
That the reason it's a classic movie is not that. Yeah.
You know, so I think they really just missed the
point of Point Break. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. If it didn't,
if it didn't have a sense of humor about itself,
then it's just yeah, I know, it's just yeah, just
completely Yeah, it just completely did not know what people
like about the first one. So, uh, all right, you

(01:16:30):
got anything else on PB man, I don't know it's great.
I don't know if there's a nice Criterion Blu ray
of it out there somewhere, but it seems like, yeah, Criterion,
get on that. I would like to see some behind
the scene, should me too? Yeah? I do have one
more line in here, when uh, when body is uh
faced with Cannon at the end and the airplane, he said,

(01:16:52):
I know you want me so bad. It's like acid. Yes,
I know, it's very ironic. It's like acid in your out,
my my, you know, kind of kind of playing with
that dynamic where Swayze is so much more articulate than
his gang. There's this great moment in the van on
the way to the last jump, which has like five

(01:17:13):
classic lines, and that van right has so full of
great dialogue. It as I am an FBI agent. Uh.
Swayzie says, why be a servant to the law when
you can be its fucking master? And then his spoon
turns around and just goes fucking a. It's so good.
I love it. Man. It's definitely some James Cameron going

(01:17:35):
on there. Of course, all right, buddy, We finished with
five questions. Yes, what's the first movie you remember seeing
in a theater? Oh? Boy, I think it might be.
It might be Disney's Aladdin. What year was that? I

(01:17:56):
don't know. I had to have seen movies in theaters
before that. It's the first trip to a movie theater
that I really remember. Well, okay, well that's the first
one you remember? Yeah, and the first one I saw
alone was honey, I blew up the kid? Oh yeah,
nice first movie I saw without parents? Okay, was it
just you or was it? I think so? I think
they dropped me off at the mall. I think mom
shopped and then came back to get me when it
was over. Nice. First R rated movie RoboCop two. Yeah,

(01:18:20):
and I there's a I have not seen it since,
but there's this scary image of a brain in a
jar that's just burned into my brain, and I think
it really scared me. The brain in the jar anyway. No,
I've been meaning to go back and rewatch RoboCop too,
because I like RoboCop one a lot. I've seen that
that was Joe Randezo's pick really when yeah, we did
this like a year ago. Nice, I should listen to that. Um. Yeah,

(01:18:42):
RoboCop is great and again, just a great movie that
is kind of at once a cool action movie and
kind of a commentary on them. I think, yeah, it's
cold take as a sense of humor. Yeah, it's very funny. Yeah,
but I've I should revisit to and see if that
brain is as scary as I remember it. Uh, will
you walk out of a bad movie? I have walked
out of two movies. Usually no. I usually kind of like,

(01:19:03):
I mean, I kind of you know, growing up with
Mr Science Theater as I did. Uh, watching a bad
movie is kind of fun. I even kind of like it,
especially if you're with people and you can kind of
goof on it. It's yeah, sometimes a bad movie is
fun and they can be interesting too, It's like what
went wrong? But I think if the people I'm with
are having a bad time, I am more likely to

(01:19:24):
walk out. Um. The two I remember walking out of
is one in high school. It is a Gabriel Burn
horror movie called Stigmata. It is about the concept of
stigmata where people, yeah, people people you know, kind of
through miracles get Christ's wounds. And I think it was

(01:19:44):
very scary, but I think the people I with I
was with were very religious and were insulted by it.
So we left and got our money back because God. Yes,
because of God, I think we Yeah. I can remember
the friends I was with going up to the ticket
counter and saying that the movie was blasphemous and we
needed our money back. Uh. Again, something else I've been
meaning to revisit. I should I should we watch Stigmata

(01:20:05):
and see if it was actually you know, see if
it was actually blasphemous. I think it probably was. Um,
there's necessarily something wrong with making a blasphemous movie. Um.
And then the other one. And I know this will
this will make me either a hero or a villain
to the listeners. I realized this is a loaded one

(01:20:25):
to talk about. But I walked out of Tiny Furniture
the Lena Dunham's Yeah. I don't know if it was
our first movie. It's kind of the progenitor to Girls,
kind of the I saw. I saw it on a
date and I think I was not liking it, and
my date hated it. So I think we left Tiny
Furniture before the third act. I did go on to

(01:20:47):
really like Girls. I watched Girls to the end. So
I don't I love Girls. Yeah, I don't. I don't.
I do not hate the output of Lena Dunham, unless
you hate her then I also hated don't yell at
me online. I know Lena Dunham is the most loaded
celebrity to talk about out uh maybe loaded two years ago,
but I know it's so it's it's so tough to
talk about her because she inflames passions in both directions. Yes,

(01:21:09):
tiny furniture I did not like, but um, but I
have liked some of her subsequent work. Yeah, for sure.
Um tailored this one to the guests what movie let
me see here? Uh? All right? How about this? What
what movie? If? If? If movies had a writer's room
like a lot of TV does, what what movie would

(01:21:30):
you have loved to have been a writer for? Oh?
That's a fun one. That's a really fun one, um boy.
Recently another cold take coming your way. Sure that Spider
Verse movie was good, Right, that was a really fun movie,
and it felt like that had a real brain trust
behind it. You know, I think you had, you know,
Lord Miller of the Lego movie. But definitely there's so

(01:21:53):
much Marvel Comics in there. I think Dan Slot, the
Spider Man writer, had some input on that or definitely
it was at least based on his some of his
Spider Man stories. So yeah, boy, that was such a
fun movie and it definitely felt like they were throwing
the kitchen sink in there. So yeah, and I think
the best, you know, the best case scenario of a

(01:22:13):
writer's room is you do feel like it's things are
packed with ideas you know. Um, so yeah, that's definitely
one where it God, it just felt like that was
probably such a pleasure to just you know, spew out
all of your ideas and see how you can make
it work on screen. Great answer. Uh. And finally, movie

(01:22:34):
going one on one, what's your movie ritual? Where do
you sit? What do you get? Uh? Yeah, actually I
think I heard I'm gonna I'm gonna copy a former
guests answer, and I think it's probably something you get
a lot. Is I like sitting by that bar, you know,
the railing Yeah, I like to put my feet up
on that bar. H So I try and get a

(01:22:54):
get a seat next to the railing. Um. Yeah, you know, nothing,
nothing to nothing, two bunkers. I like. I like popcorn
with just a dab of butter. That's um. You know
that that movie Theater Butter has the ability to ruin
your day stomach wise. But if you can just if
the if, the if, the if you can get just

(01:23:16):
the right amount, it's you know, it's a razor's edge.
Much like the characters and Point Break walk the edge
between life and death. I will walk the edge with
movie Theater Butter trying to put exactly the right amount
on uh yeah popcorn cherry coke, if they got it.
It's the only time, the only time I drink a
a you know, sugar sodas and when I'm in a movie.

(01:23:40):
And yeah, I don't go to too many movies by myself.
I will like watch movies at home, but as far
as going to the theater, I usually try and get
somebody to go with me. I don't know why. I
usually have fun when I go by myself, but it's
not something I do. A lot good stuff. That's it,
all right, thanks Jordan's Thank you, all right everyone. I

(01:24:05):
had a good time talking to Jordan's. He's so much fun.
What a good guy. I'm glad we are pals, and
I'm glad he agreed to give up some of his
time to come in the studio there in Hollywood and
talk Point Break with me. What a fun, fun movie.
You can follow Jordan's on Twitter, He's a great follow
Jordan's Underscore Morris, or support him by listening to Jordan

(01:24:26):
Jesse go on the Maximun Network, and certainly check out
Bubble on the mat Maximun Network. Such a good, good
show if you like comedy, if you like sci fi
and you like silliness, You're gonna love Bubble. It's really
good stuff, so big thanks to Jordan's I'll see him
again in June. We'll hang out and drink some beers together.
Can't wait for that at Max fun Com this year.
And thank you for listening, and until next time, I'm

(01:24:49):
fucking surfing man. Movie. Crush is produced, engineered, edited, and
soundtracked by Noel Brown and Ramsay Hunt at How Stuff
Work Studios, pont City Market, Atlanta, Georgia,

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Movie Crush News

Follow Us On

Host

Chuck Bryant

Show Links

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

The Breakfast Club

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Jordan Morris on Point Break