March 13, 2025 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Dean Rabbidge, Shane Jones, Glen Burrell, Barry Soper, and Chris Brandolino.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Good afternoon, New Zealand. Welcome to the Country. It's brought
to you by Brant but are ub forty. To kick
off proceedings today, the song is called food for Thought.
We've got some food for thought for you to kick
off the show. Dean Rabbage, high profile south and sheep,
beef and dairy farmer, got to thinking when he was
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weighing some lambs and he has put together a very
humorous dig at carbon farming and it comes with a
very cleverly compiled pine tree menu that to kick off
the show. And what's happening, what's in the water down
in Southland. So it's a high noon at the ok
Corral down there at the moment Federated farmers and fish
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and game have quite literally gone to war over duck shooting.
Shane J Oones, the Prince of the province, is about
to address the investment summit this afternoon in Auckland. We'll
catch up with him. Glen Burrell, mpi's director of Animal
Welfare and Response, responding to safe mud farming claims made
(01:41):
last week on this show. Barry Soaper to send his
new book. Will he be reading it and if I
can track him down? Chris Brandeleno, I'm almost afraid to
talk to him because I don't think there's much by
way of good news for the areas that need some rain,
so we've got lots to get through. You're going to
love this story. I got it emailed to me last
night and I haven't stopped laughing since. Up next, Dean Rabbage.
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If you want some proof that farmers are clever people,
he's an example. His name is Dean Ravage. He's a
Southland sheep, beef and dairy farmer. He's a former Zanda
McDonald award went away back in twenty fourteen. He's involved
with Federated farmers at a local and national level, and
he is a strong anti carbon farming campaigner. He was
weighing lambs the other morning and his mind drifted towards
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a new restaurant. I guess Dean Rabbage, you would call
it diversification from your south and farming activities. Tell me
a wee bit about your new restaurant. I think it's
called Forester.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, good afternoon, Jamie. Yes, mine did wander bit Wayinlamb's
out of the morning just with the continuation of whole
farm of fire station down here, sort of starting to
get away bit angry along with a lot of other
people in the community about the lots of jobs and
the loss of spectacular farmland to exotic pine trees. So
sort of got me thinking about we're not going to
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have much food left in the future, are we if
we carry on the traductary that we're going so come
up with a bit of an alterative menu being basically
based on plantation forestry.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Oh and it's brilliant because and this is going to
be posted on our Facebook page. But here's an example
for you. Here's your menu for starters. You can select
four pines, the selection of four exotic juvenile pine cones,
served with a bed of virtue signaling with biodiversity hummus.
For that, you'll pay twenty five carbon credits. Here's an
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example of one of your mains. It's called needle noodles.
Freshly gathered pine needles tossed tossed in a carbon credit
source seasoned with overseas pollution. For that you'll pay just
thirty four carbon credits. And one of my favorites, I
think is the main I guess it's like an age steak.
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In this case it's an aged thirty year old ring.
Premium thirty year old aged Pinus radiata ring served with
environmental damage comes with a Paris accord. Jew how long
did it make you take you to make all this
stuff up?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Oh, to be honest, not long once you sort of
got the ball rolling it sort of, I know, one
of those Eureka moments, so when we ran with it, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, And of course you can finish off with dessert.
You can choose pine tree cone choose from either pine
douglas or macrocarp or topping sprinkled with MP tokenism. This
is brilliant. It will be posted on our Facebook page.
Go and have a look at it. And often a
laughter is the best medicine. But this is a real
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serious problem, especially down in your neck of the words.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, Jamie, we're still seeing farm sales for whole farm forestation,
mainly pines, and we're talking absolutely fantastic land. Look all
of it could be cultivated with the two will drive
Chector if you had to. And it's all happening well
after the December four announcement of a moratorium on this
sort of stuff happening forestry companies and landowners are exploring
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some pretty gray areas. And the legislation, which obviously hasn't
passed through the House yet, we hear that it's not
going to be officially law until October. So in the
meantime there's literally a gold brush going on down here
with forestry companies sort of for lack of better term,
praying on some vulnerable people or some people that are
in an awkward situations perhaps and plowing on with planting
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all this great south and land and pine trees.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
See, there's lots of places you can plant pine trees
for forestry or carbon credits, but it doesn't need to
be on good as you say. In some cases down there,
I know of arable land land that's been used for
cropping for growing food is now growing pine trees.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It is criminal, Yeah, that's criminal. When you pull out
of a paddic with a combine harvest there and follow
it with the planting crew for pines, you've got to
ask some questions. And there's also a whole lot of
land that could be easily converted to dairying as well.
So it's just there's the flow on effects in the
royal communities that we're really starting to feel now. It's
the schools of sports clubs, local sharing gang, I know,
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as talking to the lost team send to their business overnight,
it really starts to hurt because their money flows right
through the community, whereas forestry it means nothing for the locals.
It does exact opposite. So we just really needed, well
want some MENPCE to stand up and really enforce their
laws or the moratorium that they announced them decend before.
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But we just don't seem to be getting it.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Okay, Well, you know, forestry is very important. It's our
fourth biggest industry and I'm not knocking forestry, but my
fear for a lot of these plantations that are happening
out there, these farm conversions, is that they will never
be harvested. They will just become a climate and biodiversity threat. Anyhow,
that's not the only thing that's happening in Southland. Gee,
it's all on It's high noon at the ok Corral
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Federated Farmers Southland. Federated Farmers, you're involved with them. You're
wanting people who are shooting ducks in Southland this season
to buy their license from another region. You guys are
literally at war with fish and game in Southland.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, unfortunately we are, Jamie. Nobody ever wanted to get
as far as what it's got. But unfortunately for an
organization that relies heavily on the goodwill of farmers to
excess land for both hunting or game bird and fishing,
they seem to be very very good at putting in
roadblocks to make airlines very difficult with really unrealistic and
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costly legislation which is just holding up a lot of
processes for everybody. So yeah, we're sort of just encouraging
people not to share. Legally, I still want you to
get a license, but yeah, it just make sure you
bite out a region.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
And here, who's the president of Federated Farmers down in
Southland saying go and buy your license from Hawke's Bay
or Greater Wellington. She's a sad old day when Wellington
is more farmer friendly than Southland.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, it is, unfortunately, As she got going on the
fishing game seems to be just isolated to air neck
of the woods too, so I know they saw a
lot of really good relationships out there with the rest
of the country.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Also, you've got a bit of an issue with fish
and game over duck population in Southland at the moment.
They had a magnificent breeding season, but the problem is
the crops are being decimated by ducks.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yeah, there has been a good breeding season. Obviously there's
a lot of water around early on in the spring.
But yeah, there's been a fair bit of crop damage,
especially in brescas that are close to sort of some
of these awesome weatlands and protected streams at the farmers
that we've been fencing off and creating. So yeah, there's
been a bit of damage going around. So we just, yeah,
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we'd like to get some sort of exemption so there
can just gilton and with the easiest way possible, with
some lead applied to high velocity, just to make sure
that we can have enough enough one to crop.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Really, that's politically incorrect to say that it's dark hunting
not duck shooting. Hey, now, I was just looking finally,
I was just looking at your forester menu and if
you're a bit short on money, and you know Farman
can be a tough gig. And you've only got twelve
carbon credits available to spend at your restaurant. You could
go for the start of the poverty porridge, an empty
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bowl of local produce from Heartland, New Zealand, including empty schools,
sports clubs and abandoned towns. Dean Ravage, congratulations, this is
very very clever. It will be on our Facebook page.
Looking forward to some of the great feedback you're going
to get from your new restaurant.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
No, thanks very much, Jeremie, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Thank you, Dean. It is brilliantly. I don't know how
he put it together so quickly. Michelle is posting it
as we speak. So Dean's menu for his new restaurant, Forester.
I must send this to Dennis Neilson will be on
our Facebook page very very shortly. One of his other mains.
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There's so many to pick from, but how about this
one For forty five carbon credits you could have as
a main. Dean's Slash Salad a collection of small, large
and deformed pine trimmings sourced from a local beach. We
recommend this dish after a significant weather event. How clever
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is that? Up next talking about clever, quick on his feet,
it is the Prince of the Provinces. We're heading to
Auckland where he's about to address the Investment Seminar or summit. Well,
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for two days in a row we've had New Zealand
first on the country. Apologies to non New Zealand first.
It's just the way it turned out. Really, yes, that
it was Deir Leader Winston. Today it's Marta Shane Jones,
the Prince of the Provinces, the Minister of digging it
up and damming it up. Hey, Shane, minds you at
five point one percent in the polls, you and Winston
need all the publicity you can get.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Well, we're waiting for the inevitable springtide that will bring
the Woker of New Zealand first higher than anyone anticipates.
And it won't be due to any climate change hyperbole.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
By the way, Well, look out any blind frog who
gets in your way, because you're speaking at the investment
summit and you're very excited because you're going to get
some international money in to build new dams and dig
new mines.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I can tell you what, mate, last week I was
up in Toronto. I went to the major event up there,
twenty seven thirty thousand people, spoke to a host of investors,
analysts and people who are already exposed to the Kiwi
mining industry. So it's a pleasure to come back and
talk this afternoon about the potential of our reinvigorated mining
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and thermal sector.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
How much interest is there with offshore money for supposedly
dirty industries. I'm playing Devil's advocate here.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Well, there's ongoing interest to help reawaken our gas industry,
you know as well as I do. Last winter we
had the highest power prices disgraceful here in New Zealand,
and we've seen the gent tailors more concerned about their
bottom line than the societal requirement for affordable, secure energy.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
And every time.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I speak to the overseas investors, they still love New Zealand,
they accept their guard rails, but they get very worried
if our government was to be replaced, are their investments safe?
So part of what I've got to do this afternoon
is assure them that the New Zealand economy, whilst it's opener,
the rights are essential and contract law is sacricanct.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Are the previous governments shut down oil and gas exploration effectively.
But you've just found a new mature natural gas field
on Taranaki.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
We've also we also know that off the coast of
Raglan there is a significant field called Cardever now that's
owned by Todd. And if Todd are to go ahead
and develop it, what role should the Crown take to
ensure that Todd and its future investors, who maybe from overseas,
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have confidence that a change of government won't lead to
that being a stranded asset. So I've already put out
a press statement that we should explore whether or not
CO investment where the Crown takes a we share to
give confidence to the overseas people that if they spend
their money on rescuing our gas industry, because without gas
we rely on Indonesian coal. Without Indonesian coal, it will
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be burning a candle exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Now, you're a man with a good sense of humor,
no doubt you will have seen the movie of the Castle.
Do you love it?
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Of course?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I've seen it?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Okay, So well let's go down a castle track here.
What's the vibe at the investment summit?
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Marbo?
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Look?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I think that when it started there was probably a
lot of less confusion but limited expectations. And after a
full day, I've got to tell you, mate, full marks
to the Prime Minister, full marks to Nicola, full marks
to Chris Bishop. They're the ones who really spoke to
the guts of the issue of infrastructure. And at the
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end of the night, we had a big huli last
night at the museum. I don't know whether it's in
the shape of a castle, but people were visiting at
the buck.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Now, Winston's continuing his war on woke ably supported by
his loyal lieutenant, namely yourself, and he wants to end
the woke left wings social engineering and diversity targets, even
though some people in mainstream media, mainly the six o'clock Newspeople,
are getting stuck into you for having the said same
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targets when it comes to selecting your candidates.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
No, our candidates, as you can see, are not driven
by any strange gender, any strange quotas that the Labor
Party popularized, which caused me to leave the Labor Party
when it turned into an identity factory. So these unfair
comparisons are driven by people who themselves are endangering their
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own positions because they're not reporting the facts. New Zealand
First has always been a hearty, earthy people's movement, not
people determined by sociology professors and university I.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Did ask Dear Leeda Winston yesterday about his upbringing in Northland,
and it's well known that he came from a humble,
rural upbringing. And how did he get on for school lunch?
What about you? How did you get on for school lunch?
You don't look like you've missed too many of them.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
No. Last night, Nadine Higgins was the lady who was
comparing our event last night at the Auckland Museum, and
she's very obviously pregnant, and last night when I got high,
I felt I was pregnant too. Was such a full
hooker of kai. My dad was a dairy farmer and
awa Ui mom was a school teacher. Dad was one
of seventeen kids. I grew up with a grandmother a
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long period of time and we had basic homemade bread.
There was always a lot of bit of a toll brisket.
Mary Peaches is what they were called in those days.
Wild Peaches was always tuck her from the farm. It
wasn't all that flash. But my and I think on
Wednesday the local deli, a fish and chip shop owner
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used to come and bring fish and chips for those
of the families who had scraped enough pennies together. So
we came from the generation that we didn't work for
the government to serve our lunches.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Well, what do you make of these schools to say
that I don't want lunches anymore for their kids? They
just I'm grateful.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Well, not only are they ungrateful, it shows the politics,
the politics of the various unions that have penetrated the
education system having agenda against our colleague mister Seymour, and
I fear that the actual kids and their reliance on
the school lunch has now been commodified and turned into
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an ideological scrap between the unions associated with the education
system and the leader of the ACT party.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, the nation feeding twenty seven percent of the kids
that go to school is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yeah, but I mean that was pushed by Jacinda. I
mean the notion that all of those kids, I mean, okay,
there's one hundred and seventy odd days when our kids
are at school, who's feeding them? On the other one
hundred and seventy odd days.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
A point well made. And just finally you mentioned to
Cinder will you be reading her book? Will you be
starring in her book?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Yes? I suspect there may be a few episodes where
she talks about New Zealand First Connection, but it's unlikely
that I'll read her book. But that's up to Keywis
to make that choice. I've never ever hid my feelings
about the damage that was done to New Zealand economy,
New Zealand society when Jacinda got out of control after
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Winston and I had been booted out and she was
given unfettered power, and all of the farmer's wives and
all of the people associated with your listenership who never
admit that they voted for Jacinda. It's on your head,
change Holks.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Thanks for some of your time today. Good luck with
your presentation at the investment summit of this afternoon. Keep
up the good work, dig it up, damn it up.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
See you mate, Bye, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Shane. The Prince of the province is yeah about to
address the investment summat in Auckland. Lots of feedback coming
in on Dean Ravage's carbon farming menu in his new restaurant.
Here's some interesting feedback from where is It Gone? Where
is it Gone? From Mark, who says, Hi, Jamie. When
a farmer gets an offer to sell his farm for
say fifteen million for forestry, or an offer of ten
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million from the neighbor, I say, taking the extra five
million is just greed. Well, Mark, you're being a bit
naive there, because there's nothing to stop the neighbor buying
it for ten million dollars and then on selling it
for fifteen million dollars. I don't blame farmers for taking
the best offer they get for their for their farm,
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especially if they're exiting farming. But it's just such a
tragedy that the rules aren't set up fairly and squarely.
Dean Rabbage does bang on. We have a real disaster
in the making with some of this farmland that is
going to carbon farming. Make no bones about that. Up next,
Glen Burrell JESU, it's a Southland kind of show today
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mud farming? Is it a thing? Up next, we get
mpi's response to the Safe Lady from last week. You
might remember last week on the Country we chatted to
Emma Brody, a Safe campaigner took it to task over
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her mud farming claims and the ambush attack ads she
was running on this show, much to my annoyance. We're
going to get MPI to comment on this because when
we spoke to Emma she referenced MPI. Now here's a
we taster of what she had to say last week,
just to remind you. But Emma, hang on ninety nine
percent of farmers in Southland. And I probably know a
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lot more about this than you because I'm a born
and bred Southland. I was a sheep farmer. I've got
an interest in a dairy farm now. I spend a
lot of time in Southland and I can tell you
hand on heart, ninety nine percent of the farmers in
Southland or in southern New Zealand where they're wintering on
winter feed crops, are doing a good job.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
I totally acknowledge that some farmers are absolutely doing a
good job.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
O no, no, no, no, no, not some an Emma, not some,
I said, ninety nine percent, you're just cherry picking? Are
the bad? One percent?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Is?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Do you do the same for people in towns who
aren't feeding their cats and dogs properly?
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Well, we feel that all animals have a right to
sufficient care and protection, and based on the well documented
evidence of harm on mud farms, that isn't what we're seeing.
And MPI are well aware of these risks. I'm sure
you know all about their Task Force and Action Group
who five years ago calls for the immediate prevention of
animals giving birth and mud avoidable deaths and adverse weather
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and the ability for animals to lie comfortably on the
dry substrate. And five years later, these are still an
issue that we see year on year.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay, so there you go, Emma Brody. Let's get mpi's
side of the story. Joining us is Glenn Burrow. He
is mpi's Director of Animal Welfare and Response. Glen, have
you guys been sitting on your thumbs for five years
at MPI?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
No, certainly not.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
And together with farmers in South and we've seen real
improvements over the last five years. So the number of
reports of concern or cases that we've had coming in
from the twenty one to twenty four period has been
slowly declining, and we've seen compliance across the system improve.
We've seen some really good changes in the behaviors of farmers,
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including changes to their systems, you know, thinking smarter, thinking practically,
using innovation. So do will see some real lifts and
good animal welfare outcomes across the system. With regards to
the ninety nine percent, Jamie, I can't comment to the
exact percentage, but what I can say is when people
do fall out of that ninety nine percent or we
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will hold those two accounts that don't.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, well, I'm prone to exaggeration. Ninety nine that was
just because I was getting fired up with them. It
might be a bit of an exaggeration, but I would
put the number in the high nineties. And honestly, the
winter grazing practices in Southland, and I was appalled about
fifteen years ago driving around central south and I won't
name and shame the area, but seeing an example of
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cows on a winter fighter crop up to their hocks
or up to their knees effectively in mud right beside
a waterway, all sorts of muck going in there. You
just don't see that anymore. And I'm all for you
guys at MPI throwing the book at the bad apples.
But in any percentage of the population farmers and otherwise,
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there will be bad apples.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
I totally agree, and what we'd have found is in
our proactive activity together with industry and also environments Southland
that there's been it's probably about ninety eight percent of
farms that were visited where there being no animal welfare
issues due to our proactive stuff. Our proactive activities are
a kind of intelligence lead, so we're looking for things
like mapping, weather forecasting, we're using our dat the bass
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local knowledge, talking to people. So we're really focusing our
activities on where we can make a difference, where we
can help and support farmers into their best practice for
better animal welfare outcomes.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Okay, Glenn, if you're seeing examples of bad winter grazing management,
and they obviously happen more at the bottom end of
the country than the top for obvious reasons, you would
prefer that they go straight to MPI rather than to SAFE.
And in Safe's case, they always go public before they
send it to MPI, and I guess you know that's
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their playbook.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Yeah, I'm not going to comment to greatly about FAITH.
We do work with them. They are an animal rights
charity organization and advocacy group. We receive information from SAFE
and it's valuable We receive information from farmers, from members
of the public, members of the community, and it's valuable.
We take every little bit of information on its own merits,
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We assess it, and we triarge it and we get
if warranted, we get people out behind the farm gate
to provide that support or to hold people to account.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Again, one of the issues you've got, and I know
this firsthand, is that farmers don't necessarily like blowing a
whistle on their neighbors, especially if they might have farmed
side by side for three generations or something like that.
That is a bit of an issue.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Yeah, I guess that's a society who issue when you
look across any types of law enforcement type things. What
we're trying to do there as part of their outreach
as well, so getting behind the farm gate, we can
talk to people. We really encourage groups, industry groups, support
groups to feed that information back food to us. Coming
up this year, we're going to have dropping centers, we're
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going to continue farm visits, we're going to get out flyers,
and we've got a raft of internet resources that people
can go and use. As I said, together with industry
stakeholders and community groups. So there's a lot of support
out there, and I'd only encourage farmers to talk to
talk to each other and shared those practices.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Good on you, hey, thanks for some of your time today,
Glenn Borough out of mp I appreciate it. And you
know safe as trying to keep New Zealand farmers honest.
Are New Zealand farmers you need to keep safe honest?
So good winter grazing practices. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Sure, thank you, Jamie, Good on.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You, Glen up. Next it is the latest and Rural
News with Michelle will update sports news for you as
Championship Day one, the fifth Major will update that one
for you. Barry Soper and Chris Brandolino before the end
of the hour only. This is a great UB forty cover.
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Can't help falling in love. Michelle's here with sports. No,
she's not on doing sport rural news And just to
tick some of your feedback, Jamie best get that mud
farming out off your program or you'll lose all credibility
as a farm advocate. And you're just it's just a
money making exercise. Look tech, It's totally out of my control.
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This is a decision made in Auckland, and I think
you're being a bit tough on me saying I will
lose all credibility as a farm advocate. I can be
accused of a lot of things texture, but being an
advocate for farming or not being an advocate for farming
would not be one of them. Also, and here's another one, Jamie,
pine forests create an almost sterile environment. What happens to
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the grassland birds, skinks, etc. That can't survive in the
pine environment. Therefore forestry is destroying a fauna. Yep, you're
onto it there. But forestry's fine, right tree, right place.
We're just planting him in the wrong blooming place. And
Dean ravage is being on. There's some terrible examples of
what's happening down in Southland at the moment. He's the
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Speaker 10 (28:00):
And I have some news hot off the press, so
hot it literally just came into my inbox.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Jamie.
Speaker 10 (28:04):
Federated Farmers is calling for the Reserve Bank to drop
overly conservative and growth restricting banking capital rules that are
costing farmers a fortune. Apparently, these rules are among the
strictest in the world and the total handbreak on economic growth,
says Federated Farmers Banking spokesperson at Richard McIntyre. Banking rules
introduced in twenty nineteen required banks to hold enough capital
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to a stand a one and two hundred year financial event,
adding between fifty to one hundred and twenty basis points
to agricultural loans.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
And Federated Farmers doing a great job there. That's Richard McIntyre,
isn't it. We might get him on the show on Monday. Yeah,
bloody oath. The banks are ripping us off. No, no
two ways about it. Okay, have you've got something else?
Speaker 10 (28:47):
I've got something else here? Just quickly, is it all right?
Speaker 9 (28:49):
Yep?
Speaker 10 (28:49):
Yeah, it's my moment. So we have the balanced farm
environment environment towards happening at the moment. Last night was
in Palmerston North and the supreme winner of that regional
award was the Cousin's family of Hemo Farm and Fielding.
Now they will join ten other supreme winners for the
chance to win the Gordon Stevenson Trophy at the Trust
National Showcase in Wellington and during and I believe I
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think it's Bay of Plenty this afternoon will be announced
as well.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Sport with AFCO. Visit them online at AFCO dot co
dot Nz.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
The conundrum looms for New Zealand cricket over the use
of players who are not centrally contracted. The governing bodies
outlined via a release that finel And, Jimmy Nisham and
Tim Seiffert have been included in the squad to play
Pakistan after confirming their availability for the build up series
to next year's T twenty World Cup against India and Afghanistan.
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That could involve a reluctance for more players to sign
central contracts midyear. And just when it came to the
fifth major, the Players Championship, Rory's sitting and tied fourth place,
one shot off the lead at five under. Glover spawn
Vijayis Vijayis whatever his name is, leading at six under
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and Rory's tied for fourth at five under. You can
find out more about that at the top of the
hour on News Talks. He'd be up next to Barry Sober.
Will he be reading Cinda's book? Shane says he's not
going to read it. Will Barry read it? We'll ask
him next. Barry Sober on the country. Hey Barry. We
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were talking to Matua Shane Jones, the Prince of the
province is a wee bit earlier and we got diverted
onto just Sinda's new book. And I read online somewhere
that you wouldn't bother reading it? I bet you you do.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
It was a comment I made, I think on are
yesterday that wouldn't be a great interest to me because
we have a children's book featuring Jinda Adurn. Well totally
it's about Durn. I've read it to my little boy.
He found it very boring and turned off, and I
found it very boring read it. So it's been relegated
(31:01):
and my apologies to whoever bought it for us as
a gift, because that's most certainly what it was. But
it's whatn't truly been shelved. And I'm not quite.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Sure where do you think just send us? Government lost
its way and its second term after Winston and Marta
Shane Jones got the boot.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Well, no no doubt about it. There was a handbreak
and they were at when you see unbridled power, which
I saw in the last three years of the durn
Hipkins government. You realize what damage can be done in
three years. And you know, by the previous election the
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country was in a pretty bad state because of COVID,
but not nearly as bad as it ended up being
in when Labor had power on its own. So yes, absolutely,
you know she led a government and so did Chris Hipkins,
who now is it seems, the preferred prime minister. You
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know that really did cause significant problems for any incoming government.
And that's what Chris Luxeon has been fighting against as
the Prime minister because you can't have immediate gain Jamie,
as you'd well know from an economy that really is
so down that it takes time to reinvigorate.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Now, Martua Shane Jones, is that the investment somemit He's
due to speak very shortly. Is this Luson's time to
shine unencumbered if you want, by act or New Zealand first,
Because as Shane said to us, sir, he's doing the talking,
Chris Bishop's doing the talking, Nikola Willis is doing the talking.
Is this a chance for the National Party to assert itself?
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Oh? I think and I watched Chris Luckson's speech yesterday,
and I thought it was a good one because it
was aimed correctly at where New Zealand lies in the world,
be not just a safe place to do business, but
because of its isolation, it doesn't have the problems that
the rest of the world does have. And it's even
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though the economy is flat at the moment, it's a
pretty safe place for investors to look to. And you
would see from the people that are there, there are
a number who have come out and said, look, let's
face to face up is exactly what we wanted. We
now understand much more about New Zealand and what the
opportunities are here, and that's what this investment summit's all about.
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And I think certainly Chris Luckson has done a good
job in his speech yesterday, but he's going to be
speaking a couple of times today and wrapping up the
conference this afternoon. But look, I think it's a great
opportunity for New Zealand and the National Party have had
so many ministers there that the whole cabinet is virtually
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in some way represented, and so to the Labor Party.
Barbara Edmunds, the financial spokesperson for the labor she's there
and what they have to make a commitment to these
people is, and I'm sure she will, is that whatever
is undertaken in public private partnerships won't be undone if
there's a change of government.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
She's quite impressive that Barbara edmundster be just finished on
Luxe and I think he's being harshly treated by the
media at the moment, this talk and left wing circles,
anyhow of them being rolled. I can't see it happening, Barry,
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (34:29):
No, I don't think so either. In fact, it came
to me yesterday that the Education Minister was being tapped
on the shoulder. Well, that would be news to her,
I would imagine. Certainly National is not going to change
its leader this side of the election, because to do
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so you'd go back to what National had been after
the Bill English loss to DESCENDARDRNA was all over the
place when it comes to leadership, and that any disunity
in the party does not win an election.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Barry. So, but thanks to your time, enjoy the rest
of your day.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Nice to talk to you, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Thanks Baz And from Auckland Town to Kingston Town, UB
forty day two by the way of the Central District's
Field Days at the Manfield Racetrack. Great venue and fielding
there now. Congratulations John mcavini, Gav gav lounds at Steelefort
because Steelfort has just won the best outdoor site at
the Central Districts Field Days. They're pretty proud of themselves
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and rightly so. We wrap it with Chris Brandoleno from NIWA.
Don't shoot the messenger. We'll see if we can get
you some rain. Okay. Just before we go to Chris
Brandoleno to wrap the country for the week, he's a message,
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(36:18):
you well. That's farmstrong dot co dot m z to
find out what works for you. Locket and Eddie. Okay,
Chris Brandolina, I'm not going to shoot the messenger if
you can't deliver me some rain. But have you got
some rain for me?
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (36:31):
We do.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
Chiefly there'll be a bit of rain, I guess tonight
tomorrow morning force areas in southeast of Tidle, your neck
of the woods, parts of Southland. I think a much
bigger dose of rain comes probably Monday Tuesday, for the
west of the South Island, where it is quite dry.
I mean, obviously the North Island is where the driest
conditions are, but the hydrocatchments they're quite low, jimmy, and
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that's how we generate a lot of electricity. So that's
an area that could use the rain. And that rain
does move into places like Tedanaki and the Waikato and
the western and central North Island probably Tuesday. It won't
be nearly enough, but it may take the edge off
just to touch. I should mention that rain will be
accompanied by some really strong wind We are going to
see some very strong winds to work away through very
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late this weekend, but especially early next week. There'll be
northwest winds at first, so very warm temperatures. You'll be
in the mid twenties. It looks like Jamie on Monday
before dropping ten degrees on Tuesday, down and dunners. But
there could be some low let's say near or above
thirty degrees for eastern Canterbury and eastern portions of the
North Island late this weekend, especially early Monday and or
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Tuesday of next week as those northwest winds crank and
then we go southwest and brief period of cool temperatures.
But I think warm weather, Jamie, will be the theme
for the next For the rest of the month, There'll
be the odd cool day or two, but certainly a
warm lean and in terms of rainfall, that's the big question.
Later this month. We still think a much better chance
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for rain the places that need it, but we need
more in the way of this, not just the one off,
we need several instances.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
There we go Chris Brandolino from Newer there's some promise
on that forecast. Go the Highlanders tonight. Will catch you
back on Monday and good luck to the Rivers Now
Boys on their three part trip.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
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Good afternoon, New Zealand. Welcome to the Country. It's brought
to you by Brant but are ub forty. To kick
off proceedings today, the song is called food for Thought.
We've got some food for thought for you to kick
off the show. Dean Rabbage, high profile south and sheep,
beef and dairy farmer, got to thinking when he was
(00:57):
weighing some lambs and he has put together a very
humorous dig at carbon farming and it comes with a
very cleverly compiled pine tree menu that to kick off
the show. And what's happening, what's in the water down
in Southland. So it's a high noon at the ok
Corral down there at the moment Federated farmers and fish
(01:18):
and game have quite literally gone to war over duck shooting.
Shane J Oones, the Prince of the province, is about
to address the investment summit this afternoon in Auckland. We'll
catch up with him. Glen Burrell, mpi's director of Animal
Welfare and Response, responding to safe mud farming claims made
(01:41):
last week on this show. Barry Soaper to send his
new book. Will he be reading it and if I
can track him down? Chris Brandeleno, I'm almost afraid to
talk to him because I don't think there's much by
way of good news for the areas that need some rain,
so we've got lots to get through. You're going to
love this story. I got it emailed to me last
night and I haven't stopped laughing since. Up next, Dean Rabbage.
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If you want some proof that farmers are clever people,
he's an example. His name is Dean Ravage. He's a
Southland sheep, beef and dairy farmer. He's a former Zanda
McDonald award went away back in twenty fourteen. He's involved
with Federated farmers at a local and national level, and
he is a strong anti carbon farming campaigner. He was
weighing lambs the other morning and his mind drifted towards
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a new restaurant. I guess Dean Rabbage, you would call
it diversification from your south and farming activities. Tell me
a wee bit about your new restaurant. I think it's
called Forester.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, good afternoon, Jamie. Yes, mine did wander bit Wayinlamb's
out of the morning just with the continuation of whole
farm of fire station down here, sort of starting to
get away bit angry along with a lot of other
people in the community about the lots of jobs and
the loss of spectacular farmland to exotic pine trees. So
sort of got me thinking about we're not going to
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have much food left in the future, are we if
we carry on the traductary that we're going so come
up with a bit of an alterative menu being basically
based on plantation forestry.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Oh and it's brilliant because and this is going to
be posted on our Facebook page. But here's an example
for you. Here's your menu for starters. You can select
four pines, the selection of four exotic juvenile pine cones,
served with a bed of virtue signaling with biodiversity hummus.
For that, you'll pay twenty five carbon credits. Here's an
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example of one of your mains. It's called needle noodles.
Freshly gathered pine needles tossed tossed in a carbon credit
source seasoned with overseas pollution. For that you'll pay just
thirty four carbon credits. And one of my favorites, I
think is the main I guess it's like an age steak.
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In this case it's an aged thirty year old ring.
Premium thirty year old aged Pinus radiata ring served with
environmental damage comes with a Paris accord. Jew how long
did it make you take you to make all this
stuff up?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Oh, to be honest, not long once you sort of
got the ball rolling it sort of, I know, one
of those Eureka moments, so when we ran with it, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, And of course you can finish off with dessert.
You can choose pine tree cone choose from either pine
douglas or macrocarp or topping sprinkled with MP tokenism. This
is brilliant. It will be posted on our Facebook page.
Go and have a look at it. And often a
laughter is the best medicine. But this is a real
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serious problem, especially down in your neck of the words.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, Jamie, we're still seeing farm sales for whole farm forestation,
mainly pines, and we're talking absolutely fantastic land. Look all
of it could be cultivated with the two will drive
Chector if you had to. And it's all happening well
after the December four announcement of a moratorium on this
sort of stuff happening forestry companies and landowners are exploring
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some pretty gray areas. And the legislation, which obviously hasn't
passed through the House yet, we hear that it's not
going to be officially law until October. So in the
meantime there's literally a gold brush going on down here
with forestry companies sort of for lack of better term,
praying on some vulnerable people or some people that are
in an awkward situations perhaps and plowing on with planting
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all this great south and land and pine trees.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
See, there's lots of places you can plant pine trees
for forestry or carbon credits, but it doesn't need to
be on good as you say. In some cases down there,
I know of arable land land that's been used for
cropping for growing food is now growing pine trees.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It is criminal, Yeah, that's criminal. When you pull out
of a paddic with a combine harvest there and follow
it with the planting crew for pines, you've got to
ask some questions. And there's also a whole lot of
land that could be easily converted to dairying as well.
So it's just there's the flow on effects in the
royal communities that we're really starting to feel now. It's
the schools of sports clubs, local sharing gang, I know,
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as talking to the lost team send to their business overnight,
it really starts to hurt because their money flows right
through the community, whereas forestry it means nothing for the locals.
It does exact opposite. So we just really needed, well
want some MENPCE to stand up and really enforce their
laws or the moratorium that they announced them decend before.
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But we just don't seem to be getting it.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Okay, Well, you know, forestry is very important. It's our
fourth biggest industry and I'm not knocking forestry, but my
fear for a lot of these plantations that are happening
out there, these farm conversions, is that they will never
be harvested. They will just become a climate and biodiversity threat. Anyhow,
that's not the only thing that's happening in Southland. Gee,
it's all on It's high noon at the ok Corral
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Federated Farmers Southland. Federated Farmers, you're involved with them. You're
wanting people who are shooting ducks in Southland this season
to buy their license from another region. You guys are
literally at war with fish and game in Southland.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, unfortunately we are, Jamie. Nobody ever wanted to get
as far as what it's got. But unfortunately for an
organization that relies heavily on the goodwill of farmers to
excess land for both hunting or game bird and fishing,
they seem to be very very good at putting in
roadblocks to make airlines very difficult with really unrealistic and
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costly legislation which is just holding up a lot of
processes for everybody. So yeah, we're sort of just encouraging
people not to share. Legally, I still want you to
get a license, but yeah, it just make sure you
bite out a region.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
And here, who's the president of Federated Farmers down in
Southland saying go and buy your license from Hawke's Bay
or Greater Wellington. She's a sad old day when Wellington
is more farmer friendly than Southland.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, it is, unfortunately, As she got going on the
fishing game seems to be just isolated to air neck
of the woods too, so I know they saw a
lot of really good relationships out there with the rest
of the country.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Also, you've got a bit of an issue with fish
and game over duck population in Southland at the moment.
They had a magnificent breeding season, but the problem is
the crops are being decimated by ducks.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yeah, there has been a good breeding season. Obviously there's
a lot of water around early on in the spring.
But yeah, there's been a fair bit of crop damage,
especially in brescas that are close to sort of some
of these awesome weatlands and protected streams at the farmers
that we've been fencing off and creating. So yeah, there's
been a bit of damage going around. So we just, yeah,
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we'd like to get some sort of exemption so there
can just gilton and with the easiest way possible, with
some lead applied to high velocity, just to make sure
that we can have enough enough one to crop.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Really, that's politically incorrect to say that it's dark hunting
not duck shooting. Hey, now, I was just looking finally,
I was just looking at your forester menu and if
you're a bit short on money, and you know Farman
can be a tough gig. And you've only got twelve
carbon credits available to spend at your restaurant. You could
go for the start of the poverty porridge, an empty
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bowl of local produce from Heartland, New Zealand, including empty schools,
sports clubs and abandoned towns. Dean Ravage, congratulations, this is
very very clever. It will be on our Facebook page.
Looking forward to some of the great feedback you're going
to get from your new restaurant.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
No, thanks very much, Jeremie, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Thank you, Dean. It is brilliantly. I don't know how
he put it together so quickly. Michelle is posting it
as we speak. So Dean's menu for his new restaurant, Forester.
I must send this to Dennis Neilson will be on
our Facebook page very very shortly. One of his other mains.
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There's so many to pick from, but how about this
one For forty five carbon credits you could have as
a main. Dean's Slash Salad a collection of small, large
and deformed pine trimmings sourced from a local beach. We
recommend this dish after a significant weather event. How clever
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is that? Up next talking about clever, quick on his feet,
it is the Prince of the Provinces. We're heading to
Auckland where he's about to address the Investment Seminar or summit. Well,
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for two days in a row we've had New Zealand
first on the country. Apologies to non New Zealand first.
It's just the way it turned out. Really, yes, that
it was Deir Leader Winston. Today it's Marta Shane Jones,
the Prince of the Provinces, the Minister of digging it
up and damming it up. Hey, Shane, minds you at
five point one percent in the polls, you and Winston
need all the publicity you can get.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Well, we're waiting for the inevitable springtide that will bring
the Woker of New Zealand first higher than anyone anticipates.
And it won't be due to any climate change hyperbole.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
By the way, Well, look out any blind frog who
gets in your way, because you're speaking at the investment
summit and you're very excited because you're going to get
some international money in to build new dams and dig
new mines.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I can tell you what, mate, last week I was
up in Toronto. I went to the major event up there,
twenty seven thirty thousand people, spoke to a host of investors,
analysts and people who are already exposed to the Kiwi
mining industry. So it's a pleasure to come back and
talk this afternoon about the potential of our reinvigorated mining
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and thermal sector.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
How much interest is there with offshore money for supposedly
dirty industries. I'm playing Devil's advocate here.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Well, there's ongoing interest to help reawaken our gas industry,
you know as well as I do. Last winter we
had the highest power prices disgraceful here in New Zealand,
and we've seen the gent tailors more concerned about their
bottom line than the societal requirement for affordable, secure energy.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
And every time.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I speak to the overseas investors, they still love New Zealand,
they accept their guard rails, but they get very worried
if our government was to be replaced, are their investments safe?
So part of what I've got to do this afternoon
is assure them that the New Zealand economy, whilst it's opener,
the rights are essential and contract law is sacricanct.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Are the previous governments shut down oil and gas exploration effectively.
But you've just found a new mature natural gas field
on Taranaki.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
We've also we also know that off the coast of
Raglan there is a significant field called Cardever now that's
owned by Todd. And if Todd are to go ahead
and develop it, what role should the Crown take to
ensure that Todd and its future investors, who maybe from overseas,
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have confidence that a change of government won't lead to
that being a stranded asset. So I've already put out
a press statement that we should explore whether or not
CO investment where the Crown takes a we share to
give confidence to the overseas people that if they spend
their money on rescuing our gas industry, because without gas
we rely on Indonesian coal. Without Indonesian coal, it will
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be burning a candle exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Now, you're a man with a good sense of humor,
no doubt you will have seen the movie of the Castle.
Do you love it?
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Of course?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I've seen it?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Okay, So well let's go down a castle track here.
What's the vibe at the investment summit?
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Marbo?
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Look?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I think that when it started there was probably a
lot of less confusion but limited expectations. And after a
full day, I've got to tell you, mate, full marks
to the Prime Minister, full marks to Nicola, full marks
to Chris Bishop. They're the ones who really spoke to
the guts of the issue of infrastructure. And at the
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end of the night, we had a big huli last
night at the museum. I don't know whether it's in
the shape of a castle, but people were visiting at
the buck.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Now, Winston's continuing his war on woke ably supported by
his loyal lieutenant, namely yourself, and he wants to end
the woke left wings social engineering and diversity targets, even
though some people in mainstream media, mainly the six o'clock Newspeople,
are getting stuck into you for having the said same
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targets when it comes to selecting your candidates.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
No, our candidates, as you can see, are not driven
by any strange gender, any strange quotas that the Labor
Party popularized, which caused me to leave the Labor Party
when it turned into an identity factory. So these unfair
comparisons are driven by people who themselves are endangering their
(15:35):
own positions because they're not reporting the facts. New Zealand
First has always been a hearty, earthy people's movement, not
people determined by sociology professors and university I.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Did ask Dear Leeda Winston yesterday about his upbringing in Northland,
and it's well known that he came from a humble,
rural upbringing. And how did he get on for school lunch?
What about you? How did you get on for school lunch?
You don't look like you've missed too many of them.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
No. Last night, Nadine Higgins was the lady who was
comparing our event last night at the Auckland Museum, and
she's very obviously pregnant, and last night when I got high,
I felt I was pregnant too. Was such a full
hooker of kai. My dad was a dairy farmer and
awa Ui mom was a school teacher. Dad was one
of seventeen kids. I grew up with a grandmother a
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long period of time and we had basic homemade bread.
There was always a lot of bit of a toll brisket.
Mary Peaches is what they were called in those days.
Wild Peaches was always tuck her from the farm. It
wasn't all that flash. But my and I think on
Wednesday the local deli, a fish and chip shop owner
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used to come and bring fish and chips for those
of the families who had scraped enough pennies together. So
we came from the generation that we didn't work for
the government to serve our lunches.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Well, what do you make of these schools to say
that I don't want lunches anymore for their kids? They
just I'm grateful.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Well, not only are they ungrateful, it shows the politics,
the politics of the various unions that have penetrated the
education system having agenda against our colleague mister Seymour, and
I fear that the actual kids and their reliance on
the school lunch has now been commodified and turned into
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an ideological scrap between the unions associated with the education
system and the leader of the ACT party.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, the nation feeding twenty seven percent of the kids
that go to school is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yeah, but I mean that was pushed by Jacinda. I
mean the notion that all of those kids, I mean, okay,
there's one hundred and seventy odd days when our kids
are at school, who's feeding them? On the other one
hundred and seventy odd days.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
A point well made. And just finally you mentioned to
Cinder will you be reading her book? Will you be
starring in her book?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Yes? I suspect there may be a few episodes where
she talks about New Zealand First Connection, but it's unlikely
that I'll read her book. But that's up to Keywis
to make that choice. I've never ever hid my feelings
about the damage that was done to New Zealand economy,
New Zealand society when Jacinda got out of control after
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Winston and I had been booted out and she was
given unfettered power, and all of the farmer's wives and
all of the people associated with your listenership who never
admit that they voted for Jacinda. It's on your head,
change Holks.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Thanks for some of your time today. Good luck with
your presentation at the investment summit of this afternoon. Keep
up the good work, dig it up, damn it up.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
See you mate, Bye, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Shane. The Prince of the province is yeah about to
address the investment summat in Auckland. Lots of feedback coming
in on Dean Ravage's carbon farming menu in his new restaurant.
Here's some interesting feedback from where is It Gone? Where
is it Gone? From Mark, who says, Hi, Jamie. When
a farmer gets an offer to sell his farm for
say fifteen million for forestry, or an offer of ten
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million from the neighbor, I say, taking the extra five
million is just greed. Well, Mark, you're being a bit
naive there, because there's nothing to stop the neighbor buying
it for ten million dollars and then on selling it
for fifteen million dollars. I don't blame farmers for taking
the best offer they get for their for their farm,
(19:29):
especially if they're exiting farming. But it's just such a
tragedy that the rules aren't set up fairly and squarely.
Dean Rabbage does bang on. We have a real disaster
in the making with some of this farmland that is
going to carbon farming. Make no bones about that. Up next,
Glen Burrell JESU, it's a Southland kind of show today
(19:52):
mud farming? Is it a thing? Up next, we get
mpi's response to the Safe Lady from last week. You
might remember last week on the Country we chatted to
Emma Brody, a Safe campaigner took it to task over
(20:16):
her mud farming claims and the ambush attack ads she
was running on this show, much to my annoyance. We're
going to get MPI to comment on this because when
we spoke to Emma she referenced MPI. Now here's a
we taster of what she had to say last week,
just to remind you. But Emma, hang on ninety nine
percent of farmers in Southland. And I probably know a
(20:39):
lot more about this than you because I'm a born
and bred Southland. I was a sheep farmer. I've got
an interest in a dairy farm now. I spend a
lot of time in Southland and I can tell you
hand on heart, ninety nine percent of the farmers in
Southland or in southern New Zealand where they're wintering on
winter feed crops, are doing a good job.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
I totally acknowledge that some farmers are absolutely doing a
good job.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
O no, no, no, no, no, not some an Emma, not some,
I said, ninety nine percent, you're just cherry picking? Are
the bad? One percent?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Is?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Do you do the same for people in towns who
aren't feeding their cats and dogs properly?
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Well, we feel that all animals have a right to
sufficient care and protection, and based on the well documented
evidence of harm on mud farms, that isn't what we're seeing.
And MPI are well aware of these risks. I'm sure
you know all about their Task Force and Action Group
who five years ago calls for the immediate prevention of
animals giving birth and mud avoidable deaths and adverse weather
(21:41):
and the ability for animals to lie comfortably on the
dry substrate. And five years later, these are still an
issue that we see year on year.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay, so there you go, Emma Brody. Let's get mpi's
side of the story. Joining us is Glenn Burrow. He
is mpi's Director of Animal Welfare and Response. Glen, have
you guys been sitting on your thumbs for five years
at MPI?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
No, certainly not.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
And together with farmers in South and we've seen real
improvements over the last five years. So the number of
reports of concern or cases that we've had coming in
from the twenty one to twenty four period has been
slowly declining, and we've seen compliance across the system improve.
We've seen some really good changes in the behaviors of farmers,
(22:27):
including changes to their systems, you know, thinking smarter, thinking practically,
using innovation. So do will see some real lifts and
good animal welfare outcomes across the system. With regards to
the ninety nine percent, Jamie, I can't comment to the
exact percentage, but what I can say is when people
do fall out of that ninety nine percent or we
(22:50):
will hold those two accounts that don't.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, well, I'm prone to exaggeration. Ninety nine that was
just because I was getting fired up with them. It
might be a bit of an exaggeration, but I would
put the number in the high nineties. And honestly, the
winter grazing practices in Southland, and I was appalled about
fifteen years ago driving around central south and I won't
name and shame the area, but seeing an example of
(23:14):
cows on a winter fighter crop up to their hocks
or up to their knees effectively in mud right beside
a waterway, all sorts of muck going in there. You
just don't see that anymore. And I'm all for you
guys at MPI throwing the book at the bad apples.
But in any percentage of the population farmers and otherwise,
(23:35):
there will be bad apples.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
I totally agree, and what we'd have found is in
our proactive activity together with industry and also environments Southland
that there's been it's probably about ninety eight percent of
farms that were visited where there being no animal welfare
issues due to our proactive stuff. Our proactive activities are
a kind of intelligence lead, so we're looking for things
like mapping, weather forecasting, we're using our dat the bass
(24:00):
local knowledge, talking to people. So we're really focusing our
activities on where we can make a difference, where we
can help and support farmers into their best practice for
better animal welfare outcomes.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Okay, Glenn, if you're seeing examples of bad winter grazing management,
and they obviously happen more at the bottom end of
the country than the top for obvious reasons, you would
prefer that they go straight to MPI rather than to SAFE.
And in Safe's case, they always go public before they
send it to MPI, and I guess you know that's
(24:32):
their playbook.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Yeah, I'm not going to comment to greatly about FAITH.
We do work with them. They are an animal rights
charity organization and advocacy group. We receive information from SAFE
and it's valuable We receive information from farmers, from members
of the public, members of the community, and it's valuable.
We take every little bit of information on its own merits,
(24:55):
We assess it, and we triarge it and we get
if warranted, we get people out behind the farm gate
to provide that support or to hold people to account.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Again, one of the issues you've got, and I know
this firsthand, is that farmers don't necessarily like blowing a
whistle on their neighbors, especially if they might have farmed
side by side for three generations or something like that.
That is a bit of an issue.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Yeah, I guess that's a society who issue when you
look across any types of law enforcement type things. What
we're trying to do there as part of their outreach
as well, so getting behind the farm gate, we can
talk to people. We really encourage groups, industry groups, support
groups to feed that information back food to us. Coming
up this year, we're going to have dropping centers, we're
(25:42):
going to continue farm visits, we're going to get out flyers,
and we've got a raft of internet resources that people
can go and use. As I said, together with industry
stakeholders and community groups. So there's a lot of support
out there, and I'd only encourage farmers to talk to
talk to each other and shared those practices.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Good on you, hey, thanks for some of your time today,
Glenn Borough out of mp I appreciate it. And you
know safe as trying to keep New Zealand farmers honest.
Are New Zealand farmers you need to keep safe honest?
So good winter grazing practices. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Sure, thank you, Jamie, Good on.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You, Glen up. Next it is the latest and Rural
News with Michelle will update sports news for you as
Championship Day one, the fifth Major will update that one
for you. Barry Soper and Chris Brandolino before the end
of the hour only. This is a great UB forty cover.
(26:39):
Can't help falling in love. Michelle's here with sports. No,
she's not on doing sport rural news And just to
tick some of your feedback, Jamie best get that mud
farming out off your program or you'll lose all credibility
as a farm advocate. And you're just it's just a
money making exercise. Look tech, It's totally out of my control.
(27:02):
This is a decision made in Auckland, and I think
you're being a bit tough on me saying I will
lose all credibility as a farm advocate. I can be
accused of a lot of things texture, but being an
advocate for farming or not being an advocate for farming
would not be one of them. Also, and here's another one, Jamie,
pine forests create an almost sterile environment. What happens to
(27:26):
the grassland birds, skinks, etc. That can't survive in the
pine environment. Therefore forestry is destroying a fauna. Yep, you're
onto it there. But forestry's fine, right tree, right place.
We're just planting him in the wrong blooming place. And
Dean ravage is being on. There's some terrible examples of
what's happening down in Southland at the moment. He's the
(27:48):
latest and rural news, what.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
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Speaker 10 (28:00):
And I have some news hot off the press, so
hot it literally just came into my inbox.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Jamie.
Speaker 10 (28:04):
Federated Farmers is calling for the Reserve Bank to drop
overly conservative and growth restricting banking capital rules that are
costing farmers a fortune. Apparently, these rules are among the
strictest in the world and the total handbreak on economic growth,
says Federated Farmers Banking spokesperson at Richard McIntyre. Banking rules
introduced in twenty nineteen required banks to hold enough capital
(28:27):
to a stand a one and two hundred year financial event,
adding between fifty to one hundred and twenty basis points
to agricultural loans.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
And Federated Farmers doing a great job there. That's Richard McIntyre,
isn't it. We might get him on the show on Monday. Yeah,
bloody oath. The banks are ripping us off. No, no
two ways about it. Okay, have you've got something else?
Speaker 10 (28:47):
I've got something else here? Just quickly, is it all right?
Speaker 9 (28:49):
Yep?
Speaker 10 (28:49):
Yeah, it's my moment. So we have the balanced farm
environment environment towards happening at the moment. Last night was
in Palmerston North and the supreme winner of that regional
award was the Cousin's family of Hemo Farm and Fielding.
Now they will join ten other supreme winners for the
chance to win the Gordon Stevenson Trophy at the Trust
National Showcase in Wellington and during and I believe I
(29:10):
think it's Bay of Plenty this afternoon will be announced
as well.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Sport with AFCO. Visit them online at AFCO dot co
dot Nz.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
The conundrum looms for New Zealand cricket over the use
of players who are not centrally contracted. The governing bodies
outlined via a release that finel And, Jimmy Nisham and
Tim Seiffert have been included in the squad to play
Pakistan after confirming their availability for the build up series
to next year's T twenty World Cup against India and Afghanistan.
(29:40):
That could involve a reluctance for more players to sign
central contracts midyear. And just when it came to the
fifth major, the Players Championship, Rory's sitting and tied fourth place,
one shot off the lead at five under. Glover spawn
Vijayis Vijayis whatever his name is, leading at six under
(30:02):
and Rory's tied for fourth at five under. You can
find out more about that at the top of the
hour on News Talks. He'd be up next to Barry Sober.
Will he be reading Cinda's book? Shane says he's not
going to read it. Will Barry read it? We'll ask
him next. Barry Sober on the country. Hey Barry. We
(30:25):
were talking to Matua Shane Jones, the Prince of the
province is a wee bit earlier and we got diverted
onto just Sinda's new book. And I read online somewhere
that you wouldn't bother reading it? I bet you you do.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
It was a comment I made, I think on are
yesterday that wouldn't be a great interest to me because
we have a children's book featuring Jinda Adurn. Well totally
it's about Durn. I've read it to my little boy.
He found it very boring and turned off, and I
found it very boring read it. So it's been relegated
(31:01):
and my apologies to whoever bought it for us as
a gift, because that's most certainly what it was. But
it's whatn't truly been shelved. And I'm not quite.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Sure where do you think just send us? Government lost
its way and its second term after Winston and Marta
Shane Jones got the boot.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Well, no no doubt about it. There was a handbreak
and they were at when you see unbridled power, which
I saw in the last three years of the durn
Hipkins government. You realize what damage can be done in
three years. And you know, by the previous election the
(31:41):
country was in a pretty bad state because of COVID,
but not nearly as bad as it ended up being
in when Labor had power on its own. So yes, absolutely,
you know she led a government and so did Chris Hipkins,
who now is it seems, the preferred prime minister. You
(32:02):
know that really did cause significant problems for any incoming government.
And that's what Chris Luxeon has been fighting against as
the Prime minister because you can't have immediate gain Jamie,
as you'd well know from an economy that really is
so down that it takes time to reinvigorate.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Now, Martua Shane Jones, is that the investment somemit He's
due to speak very shortly. Is this Luson's time to
shine unencumbered if you want, by act or New Zealand first,
Because as Shane said to us, sir, he's doing the talking,
Chris Bishop's doing the talking, Nikola Willis is doing the talking.
Is this a chance for the National Party to assert itself?
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Oh? I think and I watched Chris Luckson's speech yesterday,
and I thought it was a good one because it
was aimed correctly at where New Zealand lies in the world,
be not just a safe place to do business, but
because of its isolation, it doesn't have the problems that
the rest of the world does have. And it's even
(33:09):
though the economy is flat at the moment, it's a
pretty safe place for investors to look to. And you
would see from the people that are there, there are
a number who have come out and said, look, let's
face to face up is exactly what we wanted. We
now understand much more about New Zealand and what the
opportunities are here, and that's what this investment summit's all about.
(33:32):
And I think certainly Chris Luckson has done a good
job in his speech yesterday, but he's going to be
speaking a couple of times today and wrapping up the
conference this afternoon. But look, I think it's a great
opportunity for New Zealand and the National Party have had
so many ministers there that the whole cabinet is virtually
(33:52):
in some way represented, and so to the Labor Party.
Barbara Edmunds, the financial spokesperson for the labor she's there
and what they have to make a commitment to these
people is, and I'm sure she will, is that whatever
is undertaken in public private partnerships won't be undone if
there's a change of government.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
She's quite impressive that Barbara edmundster be just finished on
Luxe and I think he's being harshly treated by the
media at the moment, this talk and left wing circles,
anyhow of them being rolled. I can't see it happening, Barry,
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (34:29):
No, I don't think so either. In fact, it came
to me yesterday that the Education Minister was being tapped
on the shoulder. Well, that would be news to her,
I would imagine. Certainly National is not going to change
its leader this side of the election, because to do
(34:50):
so you'd go back to what National had been after
the Bill English loss to DESCENDARDRNA was all over the
place when it comes to leadership, and that any disunity
in the party does not win an election.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Barry. So, but thanks to your time, enjoy the rest
of your day.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Nice to talk to you, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Thanks Baz And from Auckland Town to Kingston Town, UB
forty day two by the way of the Central District's
Field Days at the Manfield Racetrack. Great venue and fielding
there now. Congratulations John mcavini, Gav gav lounds at Steelefort
because Steelfort has just won the best outdoor site at
the Central Districts Field Days. They're pretty proud of themselves
(35:34):
and rightly so. We wrap it with Chris Brandoleno from NIWA.
Don't shoot the messenger. We'll see if we can get
you some rain. Okay. Just before we go to Chris
Brandoleno to wrap the country for the week, he's a message,
(35:56):
a sign off message from our friends and partners at Farmstrong.
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(36:18):
you well. That's farmstrong dot co dot m z to
find out what works for you. Locket and Eddie. Okay,
Chris Brandolina, I'm not going to shoot the messenger if
you can't deliver me some rain. But have you got
some rain for me?
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (36:31):
We do.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
Chiefly there'll be a bit of rain, I guess tonight
tomorrow morning force areas in southeast of Tidle, your neck
of the woods, parts of Southland. I think a much
bigger dose of rain comes probably Monday Tuesday, for the
west of the South Island, where it is quite dry.
I mean, obviously the North Island is where the driest
conditions are, but the hydrocatchments they're quite low, jimmy, and
(36:54):
that's how we generate a lot of electricity. So that's
an area that could use the rain. And that rain
does move into places like Tedanaki and the Waikato and
the western and central North Island probably Tuesday. It won't
be nearly enough, but it may take the edge off
just to touch. I should mention that rain will be
accompanied by some really strong wind We are going to
see some very strong winds to work away through very
(37:17):
late this weekend, but especially early next week. There'll be
northwest winds at first, so very warm temperatures. You'll be
in the mid twenties. It looks like Jamie on Monday
before dropping ten degrees on Tuesday, down and dunners. But
there could be some low let's say near or above
thirty degrees for eastern Canterbury and eastern portions of the
North Island late this weekend, especially early Monday and or
(37:38):
Tuesday of next week as those northwest winds crank and
then we go southwest and brief period of cool temperatures.
But I think warm weather, Jamie, will be the theme
for the next For the rest of the month, There'll
be the odd cool day or two, but certainly a
warm lean and in terms of rainfall, that's the big question.
Later this month. We still think a much better chance
(37:59):
for rain the places that need it, but we need
more in the way of this, not just the one off,
we need several instances.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
There we go Chris Brandolino from Newer there's some promise
on that forecast. Go the Highlanders tonight. Will catch you
back on Monday and good luck to the Rivers Now
Boys on their three part trip.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
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