March 31, 2025 • 5 mins
Labour’s agriculture spokeswoman comments on Ikea, carbon farming, the Kirwee Field Days and the prospects of governing with the Greens and Te Pāti Māori.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joe Luxton's labour's agriculture spokesperson. Joe, I don't want to
tell you how to do your job, but I'm going
to anyhow, here's an issue that you really need to
get your teeth into. Ika. This is the outfit that's
buying all our sheep and beef farms for carbon farming offsets,
blanket planting them all, even the really good productive land.
And they won't use New Zealand beef in their meatballs
(00:24):
here in New Zealand. Apparently that would be a good
topical issue to get stuck into, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You know, that's a really good interesting topic to get
into and something I'll have to have a bit of
a look into. I wasn't aware of that one, Jamie,
So thanks for the turp pole. I'll have a look
at it now now.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
To be fair, your predecessor, Damian O'Connor did have a
crack at trying to stem the flow of carbon farming
and the likes of it. You say, we're into production forestry, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but they're also wanting the carbon offsets and the worst
thing is their blanket plant farms and that is the killer.
(01:02):
So what maybe as a bipartisan approach. Can the government
and the opposition do about this?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's interesting, I know that when we were last in government,
we were you know, moving to the right tree in
the right place, and so the ability for councils to
grant consents or not, you know, it was sort of
put over into their hands to give them more ability
councils in their communities. But you know, we're still seeing
it happening. And of course easy years are the easy
(01:29):
us the way it's sort of set up, and the
incentive incentivizes it, doesn't it. You know, so there seems
to be a bit more money available for getting into
that type of industry. But you are right, there does
need to be a serious conversation had about it and
how because you know, we're seeing you know, communities disappear,
when we're seeing good productive farmland turned into forestry.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And what are we going to eat? Has anyone ever
thought of that?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
That's a good point, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Can we No, don't start me on that one, mind you.
A bigger disaster for the country would be a center
left government, Joe, and I guess I'd have to live
with labor if you were to lead a center left government.
But can you really govern with the Greens? Tamotha, Paul
(02:16):
Benjamin Dowle.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know, a lot of waters go under the bridge
before the next election, Jamie. And those sorts of conversations
between you know, potential coalition partners and all those kinds
of things, they happen a lot further down the job.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh no, no, hang on, Joe, I'll correct you there.
Winston's already decided, he's already kicked you to touch. The
only way you can form a government in twenty twenty
six is with the Greens. And if that's not bad
enough to party, Mari, what a rebel, Joe, what a
rebel that would be.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't know about that, Jamie. But the thing that
we're focused on as a Labor party is in our
Labor caucus is just focusing on HoTT in the government
to account currently and like I say, closer to an
election or beyond the election results, as men, those sorts
of conversations we'll be had. And look, you know, Winston
might have kicked us for touch now at this point,
(03:06):
but you never say never was Winston, So yeah, you
never know what he's really going to do.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
No, I just think there's too much bad blood there
exactly the same reason. This is why Winston wouldn't put
a national government in in twenty seventeen, just too much
bad blood. How did you enjoy Kerwee the South Island
Field Days, which is just up the road from your
former home page.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, it was great. It's beautiful morning. I think we
got there, we just want the weather was before a
sort of turned a we but that was great and
we got had some beautiful lamb chops through succulent lamb chops,
and we were given a tour round and you know,
the reception was really great, really thoroughly enjoyed that. It's
actually my first time at kerwe so that was really
(03:48):
neat to go there. Well set up, very well organized
and really well attended from what I was seeing. And
next day we were off to the High Country Field Days,
which was great.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Talk to me about that High Country Field Day the following.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Day, absolutely outstanding. Brief taking views but it was really
really interesting. I hadn't been to those before either, so
we were only able to stay for the first station
that we went to. But what I really liked was
the speakers that they had. They had different people come
and talk about things in particular the wilding pines in
(04:27):
what an absolute issue that is. It's one of the biggest,
if not the biggest issue. I think we might do
a bit of thinking around how we might support support
that when we're next in government as well. But a
really good day that we had anyway, and I think
the rest of the afternoon would have been very successful.
But just what an amazing event. I've never been to
a one. I'm looking forward to going again.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
So I'm having nightmares about when you're next in government
with Tamitha and Benjamin. I can't sleep at night worrying
about it. Oh, not to mention Debbie and Raweri.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Look, I think it's the thing you're fixating about it.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
No, no, I'm not. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about
the future of our country.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, you know, as we all are worried about the
future of our country and our own ways. And that's
why we're focusing on the things that are important, you know
for New Zealanders' jobs, health and homes are critical for people,
and that's what we're focusing on. We're not focusing on
what other parties are doing. Is and I've said to
you before, Jamie, there is one way, you know, to
(05:29):
make sure that you know I vote for labor. Jamie,
I'm sure you can do it well.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
As Bill Clinton's financial advisor said, Joe, it's all about
the economy Street. But anyhow, that's my that's my parting shot.
Lovely to chat.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah you, Jamie,
Joe Luxton's labour's agriculture spokesperson. Joe, I don't want to
tell you how to do your job, but I'm going
to anyhow, here's an issue that you really need to
get your teeth into. Ika. This is the outfit that's
buying all our sheep and beef farms for carbon farming offsets,
blanket planting them all, even the really good productive land.
And they won't use New Zealand beef in their meatballs
(00:24):
here in New Zealand. Apparently that would be a good
topical issue to get stuck into, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You know, that's a really good interesting topic to get
into and something I'll have to have a bit of
a look into. I wasn't aware of that one, Jamie,
So thanks for the turp pole. I'll have a look
at it now now.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
To be fair, your predecessor, Damian O'Connor did have a
crack at trying to stem the flow of carbon farming
and the likes of it. You say, we're into production forestry, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but they're also wanting the carbon offsets and the worst
thing is their blanket plant farms and that is the killer.
(01:02):
So what maybe as a bipartisan approach. Can the government
and the opposition do about this?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's interesting, I know that when we were last in government,
we were you know, moving to the right tree in
the right place, and so the ability for councils to
grant consents or not, you know, it was sort of
put over into their hands to give them more ability
councils in their communities. But you know, we're still seeing
it happening. And of course easy years are the easy
(01:29):
us the way it's sort of set up, and the
incentive incentivizes it, doesn't it. You know, so there seems
to be a bit more money available for getting into
that type of industry. But you are right, there does
need to be a serious conversation had about it and
how because you know, we're seeing you know, communities disappear,
when we're seeing good productive farmland turned into forestry.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And what are we going to eat? Has anyone ever
thought of that?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
That's a good point, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Can we No, don't start me on that one, mind you.
A bigger disaster for the country would be a center
left government, Joe, and I guess I'd have to live
with labor if you were to lead a center left government.
But can you really govern with the Greens? Tamotha, Paul
(02:16):
Benjamin Dowle.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know, a lot of waters go under the bridge
before the next election, Jamie. And those sorts of conversations
between you know, potential coalition partners and all those kinds
of things, they happen a lot further down the job.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh no, no, hang on, Joe, I'll correct you there.
Winston's already decided, he's already kicked you to touch. The
only way you can form a government in twenty twenty
six is with the Greens. And if that's not bad
enough to party, Mari, what a rebel, Joe, what a
rebel that would be.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't know about that, Jamie. But the thing that
we're focused on as a Labor party is in our
Labor caucus is just focusing on HoTT in the government
to account currently and like I say, closer to an
election or beyond the election results, as men, those sorts
of conversations we'll be had. And look, you know, Winston
might have kicked us for touch now at this point,
(03:06):
but you never say never was Winston, So yeah, you
never know what he's really going to do.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
No, I just think there's too much bad blood there
exactly the same reason. This is why Winston wouldn't put
a national government in in twenty seventeen, just too much
bad blood. How did you enjoy Kerwee the South Island
Field Days, which is just up the road from your
former home page.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, it was great. It's beautiful morning. I think we
got there, we just want the weather was before a
sort of turned a we but that was great and
we got had some beautiful lamb chops through succulent lamb chops,
and we were given a tour round and you know,
the reception was really great, really thoroughly enjoyed that. It's
actually my first time at kerwe so that was really
(03:48):
neat to go there. Well set up, very well organized
and really well attended from what I was seeing. And
next day we were off to the High Country Field Days,
which was great.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Talk to me about that High Country Field Day the following.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Day, absolutely outstanding. Brief taking views but it was really
really interesting. I hadn't been to those before either, so
we were only able to stay for the first station
that we went to. But what I really liked was
the speakers that they had. They had different people come
and talk about things in particular the wilding pines in
(04:27):
what an absolute issue that is. It's one of the biggest,
if not the biggest issue. I think we might do
a bit of thinking around how we might support support
that when we're next in government as well. But a
really good day that we had anyway, and I think
the rest of the afternoon would have been very successful.
But just what an amazing event. I've never been to
a one. I'm looking forward to going again.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
So I'm having nightmares about when you're next in government
with Tamitha and Benjamin. I can't sleep at night worrying
about it. Oh, not to mention Debbie and Raweri.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Look, I think it's the thing you're fixating about it.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
No, no, I'm not. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about
the future of our country.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, you know, as we all are worried about the
future of our country and our own ways. And that's
why we're focusing on the things that are important, you know
for New Zealanders' jobs, health and homes are critical for people,
and that's what we're focusing on. We're not focusing on
what other parties are doing. Is and I've said to
you before, Jamie, there is one way, you know, to
(05:29):
make sure that you know I vote for labor. Jamie,
I'm sure you can do it well.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
As Bill Clinton's financial advisor said, Joe, it's all about
the economy Street. But anyhow, that's my that's my parting shot.
Lovely to chat.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah you, Jamie,
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