April 2, 2025 • 10 mins
The Deputy PM, Foreign Minister and Leader of NZ First comments on Liberation Day, saying it’s a good result for NZ. He’s also been on the warpath with the Greens this week. Plus, he reluctantly comments on becoming an octogenarian next Friday.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Get a New Zealand and welcome to the country. I'm
Jamie Mackay, a party in the USA. Liberation Day Dana
about that, We're going to get some commentary today on
Trump's tariffs. No time to waste. Let's welcome on to
the show the Deputy Prime Minister Foreign Affairs Minister Winston
Peter's Liberation Day ten percent tariff. It could have been worse, Winston.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Look, it's a tremendous result. They were talking about us
in twenty percent, but they gave us eight, the lowest
of the of all the countries. So to speak. It
is a tremendous outsome for the TI next quarters because
if they see the advantas they've got that low rate
of ten percent, then going forward is a very positive outcome.
(00:43):
We could have done better. We tried well.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The ten percents the minimum tariff applied to any country
around the world. But Trump claims that there's a twenty
percent tariff on US coods coming into New Zealand. That's
not true. Is he is he counting gst and on that?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, there is a number of theories about whether he
is right riding at twenty percent. It could be the
differential in the last measured year of our experts versus theirs,
so that would be twenty percent exactly. So when they
arrived at that calculation. The secondly doesn't matter. We still
got ten percent, the lowless of all the countries in
(01:22):
this imposition or tariffs am abroad. It's far better than
what some of our farmers thought twenty five percent plus.
So it's good news.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay. They are our second biggest trading partner, nine billion,
twelve percent of our exports by value, so ten percent
of nine billions what nine hundred million. Yeah, it's going
to hurt, but I guess it's going to be worse.
Could these tariffs offer us? Offer us opportunities in other markets.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Excisically, but they also offers opportunities in the American market
because sometimes we are competing with are being hit with
a much higher tariff. So it makes our competitiveness better
and not worse.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
What's it going to do to the Chinese economy? For instance?
A thirty four percent tariff? There? Surely that is going
to affect the state of the Chinese economy, who are
our biggest trading partner.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, well, you haven't got the Chinese quirements on this program.
You've got me forty Zealand you've got a Chinese for
long eat that.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Okay, So that's the end of that commentary on that one.
Who do you reckon ultimately bears the costs of these tariffs?
Is it US as an exporter or is it ultimately
the American consumer? They can't get enough of our grinding beef,
ditto for Australia. Hamburger is going to cost more in
the United States.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, that's the very essence of the ideological arm that's
going on here and what the American administration is saying.
This is going to be great for the American worker
because they're going to be far more competitive against markets
where exporting cars they are being hit by sixty percent
percent plus and was very damaging. They were important cars
(03:04):
from these other countries with a very low tariff while
being slammed in the country that they were trying to
export them to their home product to like cars another product.
But that's where the Americans to work out. Our job,
as I said, was a key bour Council key cam
wait till the dust settles in the dust settle settled
in the best possible place we could have expected. The money,
got to dance and had our chart out, and many
(03:26):
of us were cheering from the raptors because we knew
we've got our message away, that we'd be imposed at
the very low from ten percent. Nobody's done better than that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Are you being a bit timid on this one? Anthony
Albanisi across the Tasman has come out and said, this
is not the act of a friend. Are we cowering
to the US?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
No, not coming to the US, and we're not actually
speaking to other countries. They can handle their foreign affairs
and they're messaging all by themselves. Our job is to
look at the five zero point five million new Zllands
and make sure we get the best gossiel out they.
We are responsible, they after all our masters there and
as ill as I want the best possible outcome, and
we have secured that.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Let's just finished on what you've been up to in
the past week. You've been on the front foot, you've
charged down the wicket when it comes to the greens.
It's been quite good sporting, quite a good sporting spectacle.
To be perfectly honest, you're not sparing the rod and
no pun intended around the late Rod. Donald and the
late Jeanette. But Simons, you speak highly of them, you
(04:30):
don't speak highly of the current lot. I don't blame you.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
There are just a massive deceitful mess came into this
palm on the basis of the environment, but they spent
all their time with ominist policies, saying out in rageous
things that the police force are not required, that the
police force are more dangerous, and the gangs one of
the other. They've made these stupid comments and then you
try to defend in this MP well indepensible. Please explain
(04:57):
to us fifty two pus were taken down. What are
they mean and what was the effect of them in
a company that has first wall the halls, which has
policies to defend the right of toil them. This person
was creeping out for purity blockers and not told them
to get operations for sexual transfers on demand. This is
(05:18):
major stuff and we are calling them to account. But
be more importantly, I had to manstream media. Why haven't
you challenged them when you've counted and you've challenged other
member's apartment, particularly government parties, every chance you get, and
here you've been given an electic of a Pence, you're
doing nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Uh did you have any idea at all what bussy
or bussy meant before this Benjamin Doyle stuff all blew up.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
But at the moment I started seeing the posts and
we've got some advice because it was not innocent butter innocent,
and that's what I want with the illness to know,
particularly dreaming a voters. And then of course I had
the in front of we just try and say that
the Rainbow community was all on their side and the
Rainbow community in Yet thousands are coming out now saying no, no.
(06:09):
Winston Beens is right to Marasi's questions, and more importantly
they're resigning on mass from the Green Party as we spee.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Mind, you are the Green Party, the biggest villains in Parliament.
What does that belong to party? Mari Roweri and Debbie
they're just thumbing their o's basically at the Privileges Committee.
I note that Judith Collins has quite literally been biting
a tongue off to be to be diplomatic on this one.
But they need the book thrown at them, don't they.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, I imagine your rugy league player. The NURL Committee
says you've been offensive. We want to see you. We
want to have an investigation that they're having played on
the pattic and you told them to nap off. How
long would you be last in the paykkild. It goes
for all types of communities, all types of sports. We
all accepted that walling when we came department, except in
(06:58):
this group decide no, no, they're any criticism there above
being questioned. They're going to set all the rules all
by themselves, and there's no one in the Royal maren
will a place as a peak owner or the law,
and no one in the community who's halfway reasonable thinks
of what they're doing a slade. So we're giving them
one more chance to turn up on the twenty third
(07:19):
of April, and so don't. Then we'll see what the
conferences are. Now.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I know you won't want to talk about this, but
next Friday is a very special day for you. You're
going to be out of the country. I wanted you
to be on the Country our show next Friday because
you're blowing out eighty candles. Can your point this, Well,
that's a pretty good innings, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I know?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
My point is this My researches tell me that you're
the eighth longest serving politician in New Zealand history at
thirty seven years and thirty days of service. You started
way back in May nineteen seventy seven. Apparently the record
Winston is forty years and one hundred and ninety three days. Now,
I figure if you stay for another term, you're going
(08:02):
to break that record.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well, I never ever thought i'd be doing this job
when I started out in politics. But you know, maybe
I was younger and an experience and I thought I'd
go down department and I'll change things. But because of
certain influences, things take a long time. It's been a
working project and when it's four it'll still not be finished.
But you hope that you led a big enough sort
(08:25):
of framework down for others to do it in the
way that I've tried to follow. How they've made leaders
in the past, many of whom I've mied from other
political pays. I don't know why, but so surprised because frankly,
I saw a man just announce the whole tariff phrasing
for the world just a few hours ago, and he's
my age. Warren Buffett, still bouncing around and still being
(08:47):
consulted and how you've run the fund management schemes. My
friend Mahatia, who came back when he's ninety three to
be the Prime Minister of Malaysia is almost one hundred
and he's still giving advice. Let's be put it. Let's
speak grateful that you had the fortune that others did
not have and who are did by now. It's just
(09:09):
a lucky day. So having a celebration because he's a
vioved it is not mine, but I'm about well.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Mickjag is still going strong and he's your age as well.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
People say to me, you've got a great songs. Start
me up at that. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, one more before I go. People who know that
I talk to you on a regular basis say why
does Winston bother at his age? And I know you
won't like that commentary, but I say to them, I say,
politics is like your version of golf. I think it's
your hobby. Am I right in saying that?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
No, you tell those people that around this country at
the moment, as I it's been kept going by many
people over sixty five who do all sorts of voluntari work.
If they were to stop, our society would collapse tomorrow.
So their job is when you see some old guy
or some old lady down there doing a full day's
work and keeping the country going, and midas voluntarily go
(10:00):
up and thank them because it's important.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Winston Peters, thank you very much for your time. Good
luck next Friday, and don't get breathless blowing out those
eighty candles.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I thank you too,
Get a New Zealand and welcome to the country. I'm
Jamie Mackay, a party in the USA. Liberation Day Dana
about that, We're going to get some commentary today on
Trump's tariffs. No time to waste. Let's welcome on to
the show the Deputy Prime Minister Foreign Affairs Minister Winston
Peter's Liberation Day ten percent tariff. It could have been worse, Winston.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Look, it's a tremendous result. They were talking about us
in twenty percent, but they gave us eight, the lowest
of the of all the countries. So to speak. It
is a tremendous outsome for the TI next quarters because
if they see the advantas they've got that low rate
of ten percent, then going forward is a very positive outcome.
(00:43):
We could have done better. We tried well.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The ten percents the minimum tariff applied to any country
around the world. But Trump claims that there's a twenty
percent tariff on US coods coming into New Zealand. That's
not true. Is he is he counting gst and on that?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, there is a number of theories about whether he
is right riding at twenty percent. It could be the
differential in the last measured year of our experts versus theirs,
so that would be twenty percent exactly. So when they
arrived at that calculation. The secondly doesn't matter. We still
got ten percent, the lowless of all the countries in
(01:22):
this imposition or tariffs am abroad. It's far better than
what some of our farmers thought twenty five percent plus.
So it's good news.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay. They are our second biggest trading partner, nine billion,
twelve percent of our exports by value, so ten percent
of nine billions what nine hundred million. Yeah, it's going
to hurt, but I guess it's going to be worse.
Could these tariffs offer us? Offer us opportunities in other markets.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Excisically, but they also offers opportunities in the American market
because sometimes we are competing with are being hit with
a much higher tariff. So it makes our competitiveness better
and not worse.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
What's it going to do to the Chinese economy? For instance?
A thirty four percent tariff? There? Surely that is going
to affect the state of the Chinese economy, who are
our biggest trading partner.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, well, you haven't got the Chinese quirements on this program.
You've got me forty Zealand you've got a Chinese for
long eat that.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Okay, So that's the end of that commentary on that one.
Who do you reckon ultimately bears the costs of these tariffs?
Is it US as an exporter or is it ultimately
the American consumer? They can't get enough of our grinding beef,
ditto for Australia. Hamburger is going to cost more in
the United States.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, that's the very essence of the ideological arm that's
going on here and what the American administration is saying.
This is going to be great for the American worker
because they're going to be far more competitive against markets
where exporting cars they are being hit by sixty percent
percent plus and was very damaging. They were important cars
(03:04):
from these other countries with a very low tariff while
being slammed in the country that they were trying to
export them to their home product to like cars another product.
But that's where the Americans to work out. Our job,
as I said, was a key bour Council key cam
wait till the dust settles in the dust settle settled
in the best possible place we could have expected. The money,
got to dance and had our chart out, and many
(03:26):
of us were cheering from the raptors because we knew
we've got our message away, that we'd be imposed at
the very low from ten percent. Nobody's done better than that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Are you being a bit timid on this one? Anthony
Albanisi across the Tasman has come out and said, this
is not the act of a friend. Are we cowering
to the US?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
No, not coming to the US, and we're not actually
speaking to other countries. They can handle their foreign affairs
and they're messaging all by themselves. Our job is to
look at the five zero point five million new Zllands
and make sure we get the best gossiel out they.
We are responsible, they after all our masters there and
as ill as I want the best possible outcome, and
we have secured that.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Let's just finished on what you've been up to in
the past week. You've been on the front foot, you've
charged down the wicket when it comes to the greens.
It's been quite good sporting, quite a good sporting spectacle.
To be perfectly honest, you're not sparing the rod and
no pun intended around the late Rod. Donald and the
late Jeanette. But Simons, you speak highly of them, you
(04:30):
don't speak highly of the current lot. I don't blame you.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
There are just a massive deceitful mess came into this
palm on the basis of the environment, but they spent
all their time with ominist policies, saying out in rageous
things that the police force are not required, that the
police force are more dangerous, and the gangs one of
the other. They've made these stupid comments and then you
try to defend in this MP well indepensible. Please explain
(04:57):
to us fifty two pus were taken down. What are
they mean and what was the effect of them in
a company that has first wall the halls, which has
policies to defend the right of toil them. This person
was creeping out for purity blockers and not told them
to get operations for sexual transfers on demand. This is
(05:18):
major stuff and we are calling them to account. But
be more importantly, I had to manstream media. Why haven't
you challenged them when you've counted and you've challenged other
member's apartment, particularly government parties, every chance you get, and
here you've been given an electic of a Pence, you're
doing nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Uh did you have any idea at all what bussy
or bussy meant before this Benjamin Doyle stuff all blew up.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
But at the moment I started seeing the posts and
we've got some advice because it was not innocent butter innocent,
and that's what I want with the illness to know,
particularly dreaming a voters. And then of course I had
the in front of we just try and say that
the Rainbow community was all on their side and the
Rainbow community in Yet thousands are coming out now saying no, no.
(06:09):
Winston Beens is right to Marasi's questions, and more importantly
they're resigning on mass from the Green Party as we spee.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Mind, you are the Green Party, the biggest villains in Parliament.
What does that belong to party? Mari Roweri and Debbie
they're just thumbing their o's basically at the Privileges Committee.
I note that Judith Collins has quite literally been biting
a tongue off to be to be diplomatic on this one.
But they need the book thrown at them, don't they.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, I imagine your rugy league player. The NURL Committee
says you've been offensive. We want to see you. We
want to have an investigation that they're having played on
the pattic and you told them to nap off. How
long would you be last in the paykkild. It goes
for all types of communities, all types of sports. We
all accepted that walling when we came department, except in
(06:58):
this group decide no, no, they're any criticism there above
being questioned. They're going to set all the rules all
by themselves, and there's no one in the Royal maren
will a place as a peak owner or the law,
and no one in the community who's halfway reasonable thinks
of what they're doing a slade. So we're giving them
one more chance to turn up on the twenty third
(07:19):
of April, and so don't. Then we'll see what the
conferences are. Now.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I know you won't want to talk about this, but
next Friday is a very special day for you. You're
going to be out of the country. I wanted you
to be on the Country our show next Friday because
you're blowing out eighty candles. Can your point this, Well,
that's a pretty good innings, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I know?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
My point is this My researches tell me that you're
the eighth longest serving politician in New Zealand history at
thirty seven years and thirty days of service. You started
way back in May nineteen seventy seven. Apparently the record
Winston is forty years and one hundred and ninety three days. Now,
I figure if you stay for another term, you're going
(08:02):
to break that record.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well, I never ever thought i'd be doing this job
when I started out in politics. But you know, maybe
I was younger and an experience and I thought I'd
go down department and I'll change things. But because of
certain influences, things take a long time. It's been a
working project and when it's four it'll still not be finished.
But you hope that you led a big enough sort
(08:25):
of framework down for others to do it in the
way that I've tried to follow. How they've made leaders
in the past, many of whom I've mied from other
political pays. I don't know why, but so surprised because frankly,
I saw a man just announce the whole tariff phrasing
for the world just a few hours ago, and he's
my age. Warren Buffett, still bouncing around and still being
(08:47):
consulted and how you've run the fund management schemes. My
friend Mahatia, who came back when he's ninety three to
be the Prime Minister of Malaysia is almost one hundred
and he's still giving advice. Let's be put it. Let's
speak grateful that you had the fortune that others did
not have and who are did by now. It's just
(09:09):
a lucky day. So having a celebration because he's a
vioved it is not mine, but I'm about well.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Mickjag is still going strong and he's your age as well.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
People say to me, you've got a great songs. Start
me up at that. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, one more before I go. People who know that
I talk to you on a regular basis say why
does Winston bother at his age? And I know you
won't like that commentary, but I say to them, I say,
politics is like your version of golf. I think it's
your hobby. Am I right in saying that?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
No, you tell those people that around this country at
the moment, as I it's been kept going by many
people over sixty five who do all sorts of voluntari work.
If they were to stop, our society would collapse tomorrow.
So their job is when you see some old guy
or some old lady down there doing a full day's
work and keeping the country going, and midas voluntarily go
(10:00):
up and thank them because it's important.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Winston Peters, thank you very much for your time. Good
luck next Friday, and don't get breathless blowing out those
eighty candles.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I thank you too,
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!