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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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we'll give that song away blast again. So yeah, enjoyed
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the show today. Joining me and the studio producer Michelle
WATCHI will bring you the latest and rural news before
the end of the hour. We've got sports news in
there as well. Your chance to win a double past
(01:06):
to Field Days before tickets are even on sale. Yep,
fifty sleeps until Field Days. It doesn't feel that long ago.
It was one hundred sleeps until Field Days comes round
pretty damn quickly. On the show, Waiting patiently on hold.
Phil Duncan, Monday's resident weather expert on a Tuesday, because
short week he's going to explain what was up with
all the thunderstorms over the weekend and then also the
(01:30):
random alerts maybe after the fact. Interesting and he's going
to preview the forecast for ANZAC Day. Of course, that
is rolling around very quickly. Cameron Bagrie joining us as well,
Managing director of Bagrie Economics. He last chatted to Jamie
on the eve of Liberation Day. My goodness, hasn't it
been a roller coaster since then? Lyndy Nelson Safer Farm,
(01:50):
the Safer Farm's Chair in the wake of two more
devastating on farm deaths over the long weekend, looking at
just how we have that safety conversation on farm and
re visiting the Farm Without Harm campaign. Warwick Hatto, he
is making his way around the country alongside Jamie Strength
the two national on Farm judges for the Balanced Farm
Environment Awards. I'm not gonna call Warwick old, but he's
(02:14):
been doing this for a week while now, so we
might actually look at, you know, how things have changed
over time and also maybe what has also stayed the
same and how you quite literally almost compare apples with oranges.
This year's a regional award winners. There's eleven of them
around the country, massive, massive variety, a lot of diversity,
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and there it is nine after twelve. You are with
the country proudly brought to you by Brand. Joining me
now is Phil Duncan from weather Watch, Dunkho, Dot and
Z and Phil. My goodness. We said it in the
lead in last week. Anytime we go to a long weekend,
a bit of a holiday, the weather comes at us,
and it certainly did that over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, gooday, Yeah, definitely do it typical we can where yes, severe.
We have the warnings around the place, and some areas
were were beautiful and hot with twenty seven degrees in sunshine,
and others had really intense rainfall, thunderstorms and there were
even those gale force winds as we went into the weekend.
So yeah, a bit of everything thrown at us over
the past few days.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I wasn't really taking much notice of the weather. I
was out hunting for the four days in the Manotto
and then also processing, so I spent a lot of
time in the chiller. But I must say every time
I looked at my phone there were push notifications about weather,
and then maybe there were some that came out after
the fact with the thunderstorms that had Auckland, and then
(03:38):
it to me looked like everyone was in a bit
of a panic and trying to make up for having
missed them, and so then jumping at anything that could
have been a thunderstorm.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
This has happened just so many times in the twenty
years that I've run weather Watch, where something's messed and
then the next day you're just inundated with warnings about
stuff that you're not even getting. The civil de sense
ones of the ones that I find the most frustrating
because they're forced onto your phone, and to me, when
I was a kid growing up, the civil defense was
something that was activated when something really made you was happening.
(04:10):
It wasn't just used for a thunderstorm warning. It's different
if it starts to cause problems. Absolutely, But I think
my personal feeling is civil defense loses some of its
maner every time they put themselves just out with the
daily warning that may or may not happen. It sort
of ruins their credibility.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think, I must say. At three fourteen this morning,
and I hope Jamie mackay is listening to his show
while he's away. At three fourteen this morning, I thought
the civil defense alarm had gone off on my phone
because I'm staying up at Jamie's up there and what
he calls Rosalind Heights. No, it was the smoke alarm
in my bedroom going off at three fourteen this morning,
(04:49):
kind of in my sleep. It sounded like that, you know,
the alert, that awful noise that comes out in your phone.
And No, I think there was no smoke. It was
absolutely fine. It just yeah, it was a horrible way
to wake up this morning. Anyway, I am turning into Jamie.
I diagress. What did we actually see over the weekend?
(05:10):
A lot of rain did had parts of the country
that desperately needed it, so at least that's something.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
We did a special video on Saturday, and one of
the things I was talking about in the video is
a word called training, which is a term that we
use in weather forecasting for when there's a line of
showers and thunderstorms, kind of big blobs of rain and
they track in a lane from north to south. This
is the reason why over the weekend some areas were
just and undated with you know, well over one or
(05:36):
two hundred millimeters of rain, and then someone just nearby
them might have only had five, ten, fifteen, and yet
you sort of wonder how on earth you know that
that wasn't sort of seen in advance. But it's because
these showers created by an ex tropical cyclone pulling that
humid subtropical air down over us, and that instability with
this time of the year, with the longer colder nights
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and colder air being mixed in produced because those sorts
of thunderstorms, rain relief wasn't for everybody. Some of the
areas around the sort of kind of a triangle shape
if you go sort of from around about the National Park.
This is in the North Island, the National Park kind
of area in central Plateau there garran towards sort of
Napier and up sort of towards Tokotowa. Those in South Waikotto,
(06:19):
those are the sort of triangle and the part of
the central North Island where a lot of people missed
out on rain all sort of in the rough general
area around that.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, it's an interesting one, and you know, I just
kind of wonder for what people and other countries who
maybe don't have as much weather chat as New Zealand
being a long, skinny island, what they talk about.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I mean, there is really very few other countries in
the world that have the kind of weather that we
have because we are so far south, because we are
partially in the roaring forties, and so our weather is
extremely changeable in our mountains and ranges, in every part
of the region that you live in, they break it
up again, and so it is really hard. And New
Zealand doesn't have from weather data, which means that when
(07:02):
the rain does get to a really heavy amount, companies
like us can't just automatically warn you about it. We've
got to We're going to do a commercial deal with
the met service to make that happen. So hopefully the
kneewer Net Service merger might fix that. But I'm not
holding my breath yet.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You're getting political for we need to move on.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
We gues into Friday night's warnings though.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
That's why no, I hear you, I hear you, hei.
This week is looking a little more settled. But what
are we Tuesday Fridays Aanzac Day? I reckon we can
look ahead to that find out what's going on. If
people are able to make it along to the dawn
parades and then the services later in the.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Day, Yeah, this day, Jan Jack Day is looking pretty good.
Right across the country. There might be some morning sort
of drizzle or showers in the top half of the
North Island, so Bay of Plenty, kind of NORTHWI. Maybe
out towards sort of the Gismone area, light showers coming
in with an easterly Apart from that, not really seeing rain.
Is high pressure right over the top of New Zealand
(07:59):
just drifting out to the east past Wellington, over towards
the Chattel Islands. That's where it's likely to be parked
as we wake up on ns Acday morning on Friday.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah. Indeed, Phil Duncan from weather Watch Dunco dot en
Z really appreciate your time today and you keep fighting
the good fight about getting those alerts out to people
at the right time.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Thank you very much, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It is my pleasure. What are we fifteen after twelve
you with the country. Michelle Watt back in the studio
with me. Michelle, did you have a good weekend over Eastern.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Oh, very relaxing. The weather wasn't too great down sound.
That's why I asked you what the you know, what
the weather was like going hunting in the manyotito because
I know down in Southland it was pretty average.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, I honestly I didn't pay much attention. I not
one stage of There was a little bit of rain
coming in a few spots. Yeah, I literally just you know.
We got I think three three animals on good Friday
night and then another one on Saturday nights. I spent
the best part of two days then processing everything. What
(08:59):
are we six kilograms of sausages, about twenty five kilograms
of mince, ten of schnitzel. You can actually freeze the
meat and then slice it on the bacon, slice of
turn it into venison schnitzel. Amazing. About twenty kg's of
salami and and bear sticks, another ten maybe or so
of PISTRAMI Ah, yeah, goodness, I'm like a part time butcher.
(09:19):
Sort it, sort it for a while. My suitcase. I
don't know what it all show when they X ray
it when I head back to the North Island. Anyway,
enough about me, I'd love to know how you're a
still weekend We five double O nine is the text line.
You will need to break out that number very shortly. Anyway,
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(09:40):
days this year happening and during they're at Mystery Crank.
But up next, Cameron Bagriy, We're going to look at
the state of New Zealand's economy, where things are at
and what's happening in the US. How important is central
bank independence and also commodity prices. That is up next
here on the Country proudly brought to you by Brand
(10:05):
Yeah Bang. On twenty after twelve, you are with the
country music from nineteen ninety seven. Absolute bang of this song.
It's Sue by Blur. Cameron bagri is the managing director
of Bagriy Economics. He joins me, now, good afternoon, after
know now you last chatted to Jamie just on the
(10:25):
eve of Liberation Day. I've been a bit of a
roller coaster since then.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Came Wolle, a roller coaster mostly with a pretty big
downhill stretch with I know, if you look at equity
markets have gone south, bond markets, your interest rates have
gone north. US dollar has gone south, and of course
when the US dollar goes south, that means the new
see one dollar US dollar goes north. So we've gone
(10:51):
from about sort of fifty six and a half cents
sixty cents for knocking on the door of today, so unfortunately,
and that's about seven to eight percent potential hit to
farmer's income. When you take that New Zealand dollar into effect,
are assuming that commodity prices are unchanged.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Massive change from twelve months ago.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Hid well, not really compared the twelve months ago. And
so if you look, if you step back and look
at where we were twelve months ago, the New Zealand
dollar was sitting around sixty to sixty five cents, was
the range for the past sort of six months. Against
the range has been fifty five to sixty cents, So
it's slotted sort of ten percent south. And now it
(11:36):
looks like that new range might be sixty to sixty five.
Because your President Trump is not doing the US dollar
any favors. Your powers are going to be bad for growth.
And what he's also out at the moment, he's attacking
the head of the US Federal Reserve power. In fact,
he's basically telling the guy to step aside. If there's
(11:56):
one thing that lies at the crux of any economy,
it's the independence of a central bank. And what we're
seeing at the moment is that a fair bit of
political interference and to what the FED could or should
be doing. Because you have the president the U States things,
interest rates should be coming down. But if you look
at your terriffs, teriffs are bad for growth, but they're
(12:16):
bad for inflation. Ie inflation goes north. Yes, so yeah, power,
I think he's going to do your pos in here
and do his job because he needs to get inflation
under control. And it's hard to get inflation under control
when you've got a big bow wave that's coming your way.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Also, maybe hard to get inflation under control when you've
got someone as unpredictable as Trump. How will he have
any saying whether this guy continues or does he have
the about the power to remove him if he doesn't
like what he's seen.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Well, you've got to have what's called courts, And there's
a bit of debate going around at the moment in
regard to what is what is justifiable courts doing your
job getting on top of inflation is not. Course. So
what we're seeing at the moment is that markets are
(13:07):
really concerned about what's going on here in regard to
the political interference with a pretty well functioning system. But
the broader issue that's going on here on multiple levels.
We've been used an economic environment for a long time.
We called it the Great Moderation. There wasn't too much
economic volatility, and we had good times with low inflation
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for about thirty years. Now what's called geostrategic or geopolitical imperatives.
Priorities are now being overlaid on commercial imperatives. So we've
been used the commercial imperative where it was just about
just in time. It was all about globalization, it was
all about outsourcing, it was all about the laws of economics.
(13:53):
Now we're starting to see those laws are being thrown
out the door, and you're seeing political overlay. You've seen
geo strategic overlay, and that's a world that's more a
kin to the firsties, the sixties, and the ninety seventies
than the nineteen nineties. In the two thousand year, with
Ween used to.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Do you think we're going to see anything start to
calm down? Do you think Trump's had as we power
play who started to get his tariffs in place? Will
he maybe calm down and feel like, right, I've tacked
that box, I've done what I said I would. Let's
just let things settle.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Well, we hope that happens, and ultimately, yeah, markets, I
think we'll muscle up and potentially force a bit of
a backdown at We saw a bit of a back
down about ten days ago when US ten year bomb
get up to four point five percent, which is a
(14:48):
little bit like when we saw with Liz Trust in
the UK came in the Prime Minister and had the
city of fairy dust economics with his short thoughts you
could cut taxes and do a whole lot of magical
sort of things and there be no economic consequence. Is
alarm behold UK Gilts rose and the pound got smashed.
Then well b lous Trust was out the door pretty quickly. Yes,
So ultimately markets are going to have a bit of
(15:09):
a say here in regard to how bay you can
go as a president in regard to the economic policy.
But the general consensus out there in fact it's basic economics.
You implement trade bearers, you invent tariffs, it's bad for
growth and it's bad for inflation. The problem is at
the moment is that it's not just about economics. Yeah,
this is about geo strategic, geo political issues and that's
(15:31):
once again that's an environment we haven't seen for fifty
odd years and.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I know Liz Trunks wasn't the greatest for the UK,
but my gosh, we love her for our free trade agreement.
We'll absolutely take that one. Hey, look closer to home, cam,
how are our commodity prices? They seem to be holding up?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Okay, yeah, remarkably so. When you look at look your
oil that's gone from sort of seventy bucks a barrel
down to the sixty sixty five cent range. The likes
of copper, some of those other sort of bell weathers
that are linked into the global growth cycle have taken
a big hat because everybody's jumped to the same conclusion.
(16:08):
You're bringing Paris. That's going to be bad for global growth,
bare for global growth, less demand, then you see commodity
prices come under a bit of pressure. We've seen some
commodities in New Zeon that saw a bit of an
immediate reaction, but by and large, and if you look
at you have a those deiry auction the numbers held
up remarkably well given what we're seeing around the globe,
and the hope is that that continues. But the full
(16:31):
viable here or the one that's disappeared, the old sort
of economic crutch that we had that was really nice
to have, that was putting a bit more economic muscle
into the finances of the farming sector. Was that year
fifty five to sixty cent New Zealand dollar. It now
looks like, yeah, sixty to sixty five might be the
new range, given that the US dollar has just been
rerated around the globe.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
We've got an MPs and OCR announcement the end of
next month, so just over a month to go. Any
idea of what we might expect in that one or
is there a lot of water under the bridge between
now and then?
Speaker 6 (17:04):
I think there's a fear bit of water to go
under the bridge between now and then. But the general
consensus visit the OCR continues to go lower. Inflation in
New Zealone looks by and large like it's under control.
My personal view is that there's still a little bit
of latent inflation pressure there coming from what's called nine
economically sensitive parts of the economy. But the story with
(17:29):
the OCR looks to be, let's get it back to
around sort of three percent. When you get a three
percent OCR, you're going to get your fact mortgage rates
are going to be slightly south of five percent, which
is what we're starting to see already in anticipation of
that OCA in the down to three percent. I see
angels come out and they think the OCR might now
go to two point five percent, or that might be
(17:51):
a good scenario, a good outcome. It's because of bad possibilities.
The bad possibilities or the bad outcomes. Is it we
can global growth to transmit through to the New Zealan
economy week in New Zealan economy, then you need a
lower OCR to two point five percent. So look, we
all like lower interest rates, but sometimes we need to
step back and take a deep breath and regard to
why interest rates I might get down to that sort
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of level and will not be because of good economic outcomes.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, yeah, there's always that scient to consider. Cameron Bankery,
Managing director for Bankery Economics, appreciate your time on the
country as always, great.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
To chat all the best.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Thank you, it Arias twenty eight after twelve up, next
we might go to Rural News and Sports News. Your
chance to take home a double pass to this year's field.
Days before the end of the hour, Lyndy Nelson share
of Safer Farms, Warwick Hatto on the road as one
of two national on Farm Judgings for the Balance Judges
for the Balance Farm Environment Awards. Our Chef Remelber, what's best.
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Speaker 2 (19:14):
Sorry, Michelle, I forgot to introduce you with Michelle what
Oh thank you for that.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
It was a very nice introduction, better than what I
normally get.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh. Yes, anyway, I think Jamie's just obsessed with when
I'm reading the rural news. It's I can't even do
it rural news with rowing. He just rolls his tongue
on it. Anyway, you go save me.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Anyway, We've got some news about sharing, record breaking New
Zealand sharer and a South African sharer, the South African
shere action only talk to sharing after being ruled out
of rugby by a severe injury, which is interesting because
sharing is actually quite physically demanding, but anyway, they're both
tackling what is the first world sharing world record and
South Africa in nineteen years Aidan Copp who is the
(19:54):
kei we and Ta you need to polices. We'll both
take on the record on Tuesday, South Africa time, which
is in a place near Strinesburg in South Africa, which
I am not familiar geography wise, but we'll keep an
eye on that see what the results happen there and
South and Shera. Nathan Stratford had one of the closest
calls in his eighty nine open Sharing wines when he
(20:15):
got home by just zero point zero eleven points and
winning his first McKenzie Highland Amp Show New Zealand Lamb
Sharing Championship title on eastern Monday, So congratulations to Nathan
for that one.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, well done Stradie. Just on that world record attempt
that's going to happen in South Africa. It's interesting because
that's a machine record, isn't it And the South Africans
are really known for their blades. So yeah, really looking
forward to that one anyway. Uh. Latest in sports news,
Here we go.
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Nz your sports newsheadlines Blackburns great Busher, Woodman and Wickleff
is king to rights and wrongs in her return to
international rugby. The double Olympic gold medalist and two times
Rugby World Cup champion has so finding you eight month
contract with NZR and appears to be a shilling to
make a third World Cup this August and September. Chris
Wood has returned to form for Nottingham Forest, scoring for
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the first time in football's Premier League since suffering a
injury while on All Whites duty last month. The thirty
three year old head at home Who's nineteenth goal of
the campaign to secure a two to one when at Tottenham,
and New Zealand's Sport Integrity commissioners warning key weeks to
take corruption out of local corruption of local sports seriously.
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The United Nations reports that organized crime controls one point
seven trillion yeuis dollars in illegal betting each year, with
New Zealand's time zone making us vulnerable to unregulated gambling
when there's no other live sport on around the globe.
Interesting that one, right, As I mentioned at the start
of the show, it is fifty sleeps till field days.
(21:53):
I have no idea how this has come around so quickly.
It's the biggest agricultural event in the Southern Hemisphere. Twoing
to Mystery Craik in the Wine cut Le June eleventh
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tomorrow's show up next to Lindy Nelson from Safer Farms,
the sponsable. Tragically, we've had two on farm deaths over
(22:38):
Easter weekend, one Inclusa and one in Topell. I'm not
going to go into details. A lot of you will
know those involved, but I will just say our Sincera's
thoughts are with their loved ones at the moment. Joining
me now is Safer Farms chair Lindy Nelson. Good afternoon, Lindy,
welcome in.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Thanks Juina and we're at Safer Farms. Our hearts go
out to those people that are involved. You know, every tragedy.
Every farm death we have, at least two hundred people
are immediately affected, and why are three thousand people? So
today we're all feeling, We're all feeling how do we
do this? How do we keep our people safe? Now?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
New Zealand farms are one of the best places in
the world to work, but they are also one of
the most dangerous.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yep, they are. And you know, a couple of years
ago we launched the farm with our arm Strategy, which
is about us coming together collectively as farmers as industry
recognizing we've got to improve how we think about and
then act around safety. And every one of us doesn't
(23:44):
eye roll when we think about the word self and safety,
but really safety is just an outcome of really good
work design. And so we have to start to have
different conversations on our farms, have to have different conversations
with our families.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
And if maybe we haven't had this safety conversation for
a while, Lindy, you know, what are some ways of
introducing that topic to have that conversation with our workers,
with our bosses, with our loved ones.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
And then we start with none of us go to
work intending to get injured. We all want to get
home safe at night, and so at the start of
a task, it's how do we assess risk here? What's changed?
You know, we've had a lot of you know, rain
throughout New Zealand in the last few days. That's a
(24:39):
dynamic risk that's suddenly there that wasn't there a week ago.
So I think start with a culture of caring and
don't make it about our policies and procedures necessarily when
we were not used to that way of thinking and talking.
Start with how do we how do get home safe?
Speaker 7 (25:01):
What are the risks?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Involve everybody in assessing those risks and whether that's a
skill risk, whether that's a change in an environment at risk.
It's simple row and I think if we start from
we care, we all care, and we all are responsible
for this. I think that changes conversations.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Putting myself and the role of a farmer. Often you're
trying to prioritize different tasks throughout the day. Often you're
thinking about what's coming next, what do I need to
do to be able to get to that, and you're
not always necessarily focusing on the job at hand. I've
heard that mentioned is something to maybe be aware of.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think ultimately it's developing those pauses
throughout the day, which actually are really good for our
mental health as well. You know that whole take five
and stop between those tasks and prioritize thinking about actually
having a break. What's coming up. What's an outcome of
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really good work is safety, So start with that focus
and then prioritize those breaks and just think about pausing.
Is there a new risk here? I need to think
about something.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I've also had mentioned to me Lendy, and the topic
of safety has been just because we're wearing helmets, we
might have a rollover protection on our quad bikes, we're
wearing our seat belts. Doesn't mean we're invincible.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
No, but if we were doing all those three roads,
we'd actually been doing incredibly well as a farming sector. No,
we're not invincible, and the fatalities that we're having proved that,
so we do have to think about how we do
this differently. There is some great resources on our Farm
(26:49):
without Home website and particularly around safety alerts, so we're
sharing things that have gone well but also things that
have gone wrong for other farmers around New Zealand. And
it's a good place to start. Get used to looking
at that website, discussing it with your team or your partner,
around those safety loots that come out and just assessing
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that against Hey, have we got everything covered here?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah? And I guess even you know, once a month,
once every two months, and stuff actually just having the
team around, getting in a morning tea or something, popping
a batch of SCons in the oven, or you know,
pick up a packet of mini pies from the supermarket,
have a meeting and just say, has anyone got something
they'd like to raise anything you've seen as everyone okay
with everything that's happening around here at the moment, and
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just normalizing that as part of your your yearly routine.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I guess you're completely are I'd personally like to set
more than every two months.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I was being generous here, Lindy.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Once a week's most. I've just stopped as the whole
team is a great culture thing to do in any cases,
people together. But ro you're absolutely on the money there.
It's involving every body because we get kunnel visioned as farmers.
You know, we go to do a task and we
stop seeing things, and I think involving everybody in that
(28:10):
discussion is an excellent place to start. It's about caring
for one another and all getting home safely at night.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, and just making it seem as normal as possible.
You know, from my perspective, it's even hard to talk
about on the radio and trying not come across as
as preacher or telling people what to do, because I'm
not out there on the farm every day anymore. But
it's just as you said at the start, everyone cares.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, and you know, it's a really good point, and
it's part of what we're trying to do it Safe
for Farms is we're not preaching. It's not our job
to do that. We're about sharing stories, sharing what's working,
and trying to help find solutions to that and talking
about how scion sometimes does make us uncomfortable, but it's
(28:58):
quite wrong. It's a lot less for a woman turning
up to someone's funeral, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Absolutely Lindy Nelson's share of Safer Farms. Really appreciate your
time on the country and your wisdom there go well, thanks,
thanks Lindy. It is coming up sixteen away from one
Warwick Katto is on the road at the moment, touching
banks with the regional winners of the Balance Farm Environment Awards.
We catch up with him next. Well, all eleven and
(29:34):
regional winners have been found in the Balance Farm Environment Awards.
The National on Farm judging is in the thick of it,
the halfway through it. Basically now joining me is one
of the two judges tripping around the country Warwick ketto
good afternoon.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Warwick goodno from a sort of funny tale after lots
of range. I think Filers and Gross are probably happy
with the rain with a heaving recently.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, absolutely. Looking at neewa's drought monitor map on the internet,
like honestly it has been so angry read for a
while and a lot of those places have now gone clear,
so we have well and truly broken the drought. It
makes it for very interesting on farm judging if you've
got not much grass around Warwick. How is the judging
(30:22):
process going so far?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Well, as you say, it's halfway through. We've pretty much
been doing all the upper half of the North Island
to date and so we've got the Taranaki and the
South Island to do in a week or two time.
But the challenge and exciting thing this year is how
diverse the group is. You know, we've got deer farming,
(30:48):
we've got dairy, we've got leafy greens or vegetables, beef,
kiwi fruit, high country down on Otago, sheep and beef
and arable like I don't. It's the most diverse group
we've ever had. So it's actually very enjoyable to go
and visit the different enterprises.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Absolutely, but you know it makes it pretty challenging for
yourself and Jamie String you know, how do you compare
apples and oranges?
Speaker 7 (31:13):
Well, the way I look at is, at a very
high level, they all use the same resources. They all
use people, land, climates, cash, and so part of it is,
you know, the same paths of land you could put
different farming people on and they'd come up with different enterprises.
(31:36):
So at a very broad level you're actually looking at
how they do that, and particularly with how they're doing
it relative to their own sector. So it's about resource
use efficiency and they're all exceptional at it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, Now this year is particularly special Worrick because the
awards basically started thirty years ago in the White Custle,
a man the name of Gordon Stephenson and a bunch
of farmers around him kicked it all off.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Well I went to the Wykatta Awards this year and
there was a celebratory function for them, and yeah, it
was quite insightful in terms of starting something like this.
And I remember when we first got involved about twenty
odd years ago. You know, one of the things with
the Farm Environment Awards is how many farmers might you
(32:31):
marginalize talking about environmental issues and it shows how much
their farming sectors progressed to These environmental issues are very
mainstream now. Was if you go back to the two
thousands or the nineteen nineties, you know, were peering, planting
and protection of ecosystems was not a common practice at all.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
It would have been a novelty, and now it is
very very common around the country. In your experience, what
has changed over time and maybe what actually hasn't.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
For me, some of the big changes, particularly as around labor,
particularly the pivot from being often very far staff were
on a progression to ownership. Where's a lot of them
now are employees and so and so how they managed
staff has certainly changed a lot. Health and safety. You know,
(33:30):
we were whizzing around on four wheelers without helmets back
in the day, whereas now helmets are the norm commonly
worn using side both sides the environment. Again, if you
think back then stock exclusion with the clean streams accord
was the thing, whereas now you're seeing planting of riparian
(33:51):
areas and the more progressive ones are now moving into
a predator control. So quite a focus on biodiversity. And
the other one you see commonly is the farming farming
journey that we've gone through with climate change with greenhouse
gases and whether you're irrespective whether you sit on it,
(34:13):
what you've seen is the mindset change towards a very
whereas if the market wants something, what's the opportunity and
presenting products that the market wants. And so that's the
one thing that probably hasn't changed is the farmer grows
that we need have always been looking at market opportunities.
(34:33):
How do they either value add to their own products,
but it wool or meat or dairy, either directly themselves,
direct to market or indirectly through their their retailing businesses.
One farm tourism interesting has always been there, the number
them doing that again, the share in the community wide
(34:54):
a primary industry and community interests. So some things have
changed the same, the more news that people have, but
the farming contexts changed, and you know, when you change,
farm productivity changes one percent improves one percent perannum, and
so it's very incremental. You don't notice it. And one
(35:15):
of the things we've been doing is revisiting properties that
we might have revisited five or ten years ago. And
when you go back and revisit them, particularly when you've
had videos and photos of it, it's quite interesting to
see their reaction because they don't see that incremental change
whereas we do, and it's quite impressive to see where
we're going.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Just finally, I remember when we hit our national judging
for the Dairy Industry Awards back in twenty thirteen, our
farm owners bit one of the judges while we were
having the interview. At the end of it, what's the
weirdest thing you've encountered? Oh my gosh, putting you on
the spot here.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
You certainly, yeah, yeah, probably Jamie and I traveling together
two men, as Jamie used to cause the traveling white base,
And yeah, two men traveling together for three weeks is
probably the most unusual thing, you know, having dinners together
(36:16):
and breakfasts together and she tolerating each other. But it's
a pretty special relationship with Jamie, Like you know a
man who could roll across crook straight I call the
rental in New Zealand's I find him quite inspiring if
I do the entrance as well. But he's a pretty
unique character and so for me, the thing is it's
(36:37):
probably not unusual, but understanding how someone unique like Jamie operates.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, and hey, look better you traveling with Jamie strength
and with Jamie McKay. I'll give you that one.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
Who all agreed on that one?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Larek Kato one of the two national judges alongside the
wonderful and remarkable Jamie Strang, Not that you're not wonderful
and remarkable, but really appreciate your time and good luck
with the rest of those Balanced Farm Environment Awards judging.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
Thanks follow.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
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My god, god, you're.
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Right, oh.
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to the Country Rowena Duncan earned for Jamie McKay this
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the show today. Joining me and the studio producer Michelle
WATCHI will bring you the latest and rural news before
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(01:06):
to Field Days before tickets are even on sale. Yep,
fifty sleeps until Field Days. It doesn't feel that long ago.
It was one hundred sleeps until Field Days comes round
pretty damn quickly. On the show, Waiting patiently on hold.
Phil Duncan, Monday's resident weather expert on a Tuesday, because
short week he's going to explain what was up with
all the thunderstorms over the weekend and then also the
(01:30):
random alerts maybe after the fact. Interesting and he's going
to preview the forecast for ANZAC Day. Of course, that
is rolling around very quickly. Cameron Bagrie joining us as well,
Managing director of Bagrie Economics. He last chatted to Jamie
on the eve of Liberation Day. My goodness, hasn't it
been a roller coaster since then? Lyndy Nelson Safer Farm,
(01:50):
the Safer Farm's Chair in the wake of two more
devastating on farm deaths over the long weekend, looking at
just how we have that safety conversation on farm and
re visiting the Farm Without Harm campaign. Warwick Hatto, he
is making his way around the country alongside Jamie Strength
the two national on Farm judges for the Balanced Farm
Environment Awards. I'm not gonna call Warwick old, but he's
(02:14):
been doing this for a week while now, so we
might actually look at, you know, how things have changed
over time and also maybe what has also stayed the
same and how you quite literally almost compare apples with oranges.
This year's a regional award winners. There's eleven of them
around the country, massive, massive variety, a lot of diversity,
(02:35):
and there it is nine after twelve. You are with
the country proudly brought to you by Brand. Joining me
now is Phil Duncan from weather Watch, Dunkho, Dot and
Z and Phil. My goodness. We said it in the
lead in last week. Anytime we go to a long weekend,
a bit of a holiday, the weather comes at us,
and it certainly did that over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, gooday, Yeah, definitely do it typical we can where yes, severe.
We have the warnings around the place, and some areas
were were beautiful and hot with twenty seven degrees in sunshine,
and others had really intense rainfall, thunderstorms and there were
even those gale force winds as we went into the weekend.
So yeah, a bit of everything thrown at us over
the past few days.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I wasn't really taking much notice of the weather. I
was out hunting for the four days in the Manotto
and then also processing, so I spent a lot of
time in the chiller. But I must say every time
I looked at my phone there were push notifications about weather,
and then maybe there were some that came out after
the fact with the thunderstorms that had Auckland, and then
(03:38):
it to me looked like everyone was in a bit
of a panic and trying to make up for having
missed them, and so then jumping at anything that could
have been a thunderstorm.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
This has happened just so many times in the twenty
years that I've run weather Watch, where something's messed and
then the next day you're just inundated with warnings about
stuff that you're not even getting. The civil de sense
ones of the ones that I find the most frustrating
because they're forced onto your phone, and to me, when
I was a kid growing up, the civil defense was
something that was activated when something really made you was happening.
(04:10):
It wasn't just used for a thunderstorm warning. It's different
if it starts to cause problems. Absolutely, But I think
my personal feeling is civil defense loses some of its
maner every time they put themselves just out with the
daily warning that may or may not happen. It sort
of ruins their credibility.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think, I must say. At three fourteen this morning,
and I hope Jamie mackay is listening to his show
while he's away. At three fourteen this morning, I thought
the civil defense alarm had gone off on my phone
because I'm staying up at Jamie's up there and what
he calls Rosalind Heights. No, it was the smoke alarm
in my bedroom going off at three fourteen this morning,
(04:49):
kind of in my sleep. It sounded like that, you know,
the alert, that awful noise that comes out in your phone.
And No, I think there was no smoke. It was
absolutely fine. It just yeah, it was a horrible way
to wake up this morning. Anyway, I am turning into Jamie.
I diagress. What did we actually see over the weekend?
(05:10):
A lot of rain did had parts of the country
that desperately needed it, so at least that's something.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
We did a special video on Saturday, and one of
the things I was talking about in the video is
a word called training, which is a term that we
use in weather forecasting for when there's a line of
showers and thunderstorms, kind of big blobs of rain and
they track in a lane from north to south. This
is the reason why over the weekend some areas were
just and undated with you know, well over one or
(05:36):
two hundred millimeters of rain, and then someone just nearby
them might have only had five, ten, fifteen, and yet
you sort of wonder how on earth you know that
that wasn't sort of seen in advance. But it's because
these showers created by an ex tropical cyclone pulling that
humid subtropical air down over us, and that instability with
this time of the year, with the longer colder nights
(05:57):
and colder air being mixed in produced because those sorts
of thunderstorms, rain relief wasn't for everybody. Some of the
areas around the sort of kind of a triangle shape
if you go sort of from around about the National Park.
This is in the North Island, the National Park kind
of area in central Plateau there garran towards sort of
Napier and up sort of towards Tokotowa. Those in South Waikotto,
(06:19):
those are the sort of triangle and the part of
the central North Island where a lot of people missed
out on rain all sort of in the rough general
area around that.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, it's an interesting one, and you know, I just
kind of wonder for what people and other countries who
maybe don't have as much weather chat as New Zealand
being a long, skinny island, what they talk about.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I mean, there is really very few other countries in
the world that have the kind of weather that we
have because we are so far south, because we are
partially in the roaring forties, and so our weather is
extremely changeable in our mountains and ranges, in every part
of the region that you live in, they break it
up again, and so it is really hard. And New
Zealand doesn't have from weather data, which means that when
(07:02):
the rain does get to a really heavy amount, companies
like us can't just automatically warn you about it. We've
got to We're going to do a commercial deal with
the met service to make that happen. So hopefully the
kneewer Net Service merger might fix that. But I'm not
holding my breath yet.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You're getting political for we need to move on.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
We gues into Friday night's warnings though.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
That's why no, I hear you, I hear you, hei.
This week is looking a little more settled. But what
are we Tuesday Fridays Aanzac Day? I reckon we can
look ahead to that find out what's going on. If
people are able to make it along to the dawn
parades and then the services later in the.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Day, Yeah, this day, Jan Jack Day is looking pretty good.
Right across the country. There might be some morning sort
of drizzle or showers in the top half of the
North Island, so Bay of Plenty, kind of NORTHWI. Maybe
out towards sort of the Gismone area, light showers coming
in with an easterly Apart from that, not really seeing rain.
Is high pressure right over the top of New Zealand
(07:59):
just drifting out to the east past Wellington, over towards
the Chattel Islands. That's where it's likely to be parked
as we wake up on ns Acday morning on Friday.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah. Indeed, Phil Duncan from weather Watch Dunco dot en
Z really appreciate your time today and you keep fighting
the good fight about getting those alerts out to people
at the right time.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Thank you very much, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It is my pleasure. What are we fifteen after twelve
you with the country. Michelle Watt back in the studio
with me. Michelle, did you have a good weekend over Eastern.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Oh, very relaxing. The weather wasn't too great down sound.
That's why I asked you what the you know, what
the weather was like going hunting in the manyotito because
I know down in Southland it was pretty average.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, I honestly I didn't pay much attention. I not
one stage of There was a little bit of rain
coming in a few spots. Yeah, I literally just you know.
We got I think three three animals on good Friday
night and then another one on Saturday nights. I spent
the best part of two days then processing everything. What
(08:59):
are we six kilograms of sausages, about twenty five kilograms
of mince, ten of schnitzel. You can actually freeze the
meat and then slice it on the bacon, slice of
turn it into venison schnitzel. Amazing. About twenty kg's of
salami and and bear sticks, another ten maybe or so
of PISTRAMI Ah, yeah, goodness, I'm like a part time butcher.
(09:19):
Sort it, sort it for a while. My suitcase. I
don't know what it all show when they X ray
it when I head back to the North Island. Anyway,
enough about me, I'd love to know how you're a
still weekend We five double O nine is the text line.
You will need to break out that number very shortly. Anyway,
your chance to take home a double pass two field
(09:40):
days this year happening and during they're at Mystery Crank.
But up next, Cameron Bagriy, We're going to look at
the state of New Zealand's economy, where things are at
and what's happening in the US. How important is central
bank independence and also commodity prices. That is up next
here on the Country proudly brought to you by Brand
(10:05):
Yeah Bang. On twenty after twelve, you are with the
country music from nineteen ninety seven. Absolute bang of this song.
It's Sue by Blur. Cameron bagri is the managing director
of Bagriy Economics. He joins me, now, good afternoon, after
know now you last chatted to Jamie just on the
(10:25):
eve of Liberation Day. I've been a bit of a
roller coaster since then.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Came Wolle, a roller coaster mostly with a pretty big
downhill stretch with I know, if you look at equity
markets have gone south, bond markets, your interest rates have
gone north. US dollar has gone south, and of course
when the US dollar goes south, that means the new
see one dollar US dollar goes north. So we've gone
(10:51):
from about sort of fifty six and a half cents
sixty cents for knocking on the door of today, so unfortunately,
and that's about seven to eight percent potential hit to
farmer's income. When you take that New Zealand dollar into effect,
are assuming that commodity prices are unchanged.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Massive change from twelve months ago.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Hid well, not really compared the twelve months ago. And
so if you look, if you step back and look
at where we were twelve months ago, the New Zealand
dollar was sitting around sixty to sixty five cents, was
the range for the past sort of six months. Against
the range has been fifty five to sixty cents, So
it's slotted sort of ten percent south. And now it
(11:36):
looks like that new range might be sixty to sixty five.
Because your President Trump is not doing the US dollar
any favors. Your powers are going to be bad for growth.
And what he's also out at the moment, he's attacking
the head of the US Federal Reserve power. In fact,
he's basically telling the guy to step aside. If there's
(11:56):
one thing that lies at the crux of any economy,
it's the independence of a central bank. And what we're
seeing at the moment is that a fair bit of
political interference and to what the FED could or should
be doing. Because you have the president the U States things,
interest rates should be coming down. But if you look
at your terriffs, teriffs are bad for growth, but they're
(12:16):
bad for inflation. Ie inflation goes north. Yes, so yeah, power,
I think he's going to do your pos in here
and do his job because he needs to get inflation
under control. And it's hard to get inflation under control
when you've got a big bow wave that's coming your way.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Also, maybe hard to get inflation under control when you've
got someone as unpredictable as Trump. How will he have
any saying whether this guy continues or does he have
the about the power to remove him if he doesn't
like what he's seen.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Well, you've got to have what's called courts, And there's
a bit of debate going around at the moment in
regard to what is what is justifiable courts doing your
job getting on top of inflation is not. Course. So
what we're seeing at the moment is that markets are
(13:07):
really concerned about what's going on here in regard to
the political interference with a pretty well functioning system. But
the broader issue that's going on here on multiple levels.
We've been used an economic environment for a long time.
We called it the Great Moderation. There wasn't too much
economic volatility, and we had good times with low inflation
(13:30):
for about thirty years. Now what's called geostrategic or geopolitical imperatives.
Priorities are now being overlaid on commercial imperatives. So we've
been used the commercial imperative where it was just about
just in time. It was all about globalization, it was
all about outsourcing, it was all about the laws of economics.
(13:53):
Now we're starting to see those laws are being thrown
out the door, and you're seeing political overlay. You've seen
geo strategic overlay, and that's a world that's more a
kin to the firsties, the sixties, and the ninety seventies
than the nineteen nineties. In the two thousand year, with
Ween used to.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Do you think we're going to see anything start to
calm down? Do you think Trump's had as we power
play who started to get his tariffs in place? Will
he maybe calm down and feel like, right, I've tacked
that box, I've done what I said I would. Let's
just let things settle.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Well, we hope that happens, and ultimately, yeah, markets, I
think we'll muscle up and potentially force a bit of
a backdown at We saw a bit of a back
down about ten days ago when US ten year bomb
get up to four point five percent, which is a
(14:48):
little bit like when we saw with Liz Trust in
the UK came in the Prime Minister and had the
city of fairy dust economics with his short thoughts you
could cut taxes and do a whole lot of magical
sort of things and there be no economic consequence. Is
alarm behold UK Gilts rose and the pound got smashed.
Then well b lous Trust was out the door pretty quickly. Yes,
So ultimately markets are going to have a bit of
(15:09):
a say here in regard to how bay you can
go as a president in regard to the economic policy.
But the general consensus out there in fact it's basic economics.
You implement trade bearers, you invent tariffs, it's bad for
growth and it's bad for inflation. The problem is at
the moment is that it's not just about economics. Yeah,
this is about geo strategic, geo political issues and that's
(15:31):
once again that's an environment we haven't seen for fifty
odd years and.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I know Liz Trunks wasn't the greatest for the UK,
but my gosh, we love her for our free trade agreement.
We'll absolutely take that one. Hey, look closer to home, cam,
how are our commodity prices? They seem to be holding up?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Okay, yeah, remarkably so. When you look at look your
oil that's gone from sort of seventy bucks a barrel
down to the sixty sixty five cent range. The likes
of copper, some of those other sort of bell weathers
that are linked into the global growth cycle have taken
a big hat because everybody's jumped to the same conclusion.
(16:08):
You're bringing Paris. That's going to be bad for global growth,
bare for global growth, less demand, then you see commodity
prices come under a bit of pressure. We've seen some
commodities in New Zeon that saw a bit of an
immediate reaction, but by and large, and if you look
at you have a those deiry auction the numbers held
up remarkably well given what we're seeing around the globe,
and the hope is that that continues. But the full
(16:31):
viable here or the one that's disappeared, the old sort
of economic crutch that we had that was really nice
to have, that was putting a bit more economic muscle
into the finances of the farming sector. Was that year
fifty five to sixty cent New Zealand dollar. It now
looks like, yeah, sixty to sixty five might be the
new range, given that the US dollar has just been
rerated around the globe.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
We've got an MPs and OCR announcement the end of
next month, so just over a month to go. Any
idea of what we might expect in that one or
is there a lot of water under the bridge between
now and then?
Speaker 6 (17:04):
I think there's a fear bit of water to go
under the bridge between now and then. But the general
consensus visit the OCR continues to go lower. Inflation in
New Zealone looks by and large like it's under control.
My personal view is that there's still a little bit
of latent inflation pressure there coming from what's called nine
economically sensitive parts of the economy. But the story with
(17:29):
the OCR looks to be, let's get it back to
around sort of three percent. When you get a three
percent OCR, you're going to get your fact mortgage rates
are going to be slightly south of five percent, which
is what we're starting to see already in anticipation of
that OCA in the down to three percent. I see
angels come out and they think the OCR might now
go to two point five percent, or that might be
(17:51):
a good scenario, a good outcome. It's because of bad possibilities.
The bad possibilities or the bad outcomes. Is it we
can global growth to transmit through to the New Zealan
economy week in New Zealan economy, then you need a
lower OCR to two point five percent. So look, we
all like lower interest rates, but sometimes we need to
step back and take a deep breath and regard to
why interest rates I might get down to that sort
(18:12):
of level and will not be because of good economic outcomes.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, yeah, there's always that scient to consider. Cameron Bankery,
Managing director for Bankery Economics, appreciate your time on the
country as always, great.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
To chat all the best.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Thank you, it Arias twenty eight after twelve up, next
we might go to Rural News and Sports News. Your
chance to take home a double pass to this year's field.
Days before the end of the hour, Lyndy Nelson share
of Safer Farms, Warwick Hatto on the road as one
of two national on Farm Judgings for the Balance Judges
for the Balance Farm Environment Awards. Our Chef Remelber, what's best.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Thing that we wor wives and we do.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It is bad? On twelve thirty you are with the country.
Here's the latest in rural news for.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
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Speaker 2 (19:14):
Sorry, Michelle, I forgot to introduce you with Michelle what
Oh thank you for that.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
It was a very nice introduction, better than what I
normally get.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh. Yes, anyway, I think Jamie's just obsessed with when
I'm reading the rural news. It's I can't even do
it rural news with rowing. He just rolls his tongue
on it. Anyway, you go save me.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Anyway, We've got some news about sharing, record breaking New
Zealand sharer and a South African sharer, the South African
shere action only talk to sharing after being ruled out
of rugby by a severe injury, which is interesting because
sharing is actually quite physically demanding, but anyway, they're both
tackling what is the first world sharing world record and
South Africa in nineteen years Aidan Copp who is the
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kei we and Ta you need to polices. We'll both
take on the record on Tuesday, South Africa time, which
is in a place near Strinesburg in South Africa, which
I am not familiar geography wise, but we'll keep an
eye on that see what the results happen there and
South and Shera. Nathan Stratford had one of the closest
calls in his eighty nine open Sharing wines when he
(20:15):
got home by just zero point zero eleven points and
winning his first McKenzie Highland Amp Show New Zealand Lamb
Sharing Championship title on eastern Monday, So congratulations to Nathan
for that one.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, well done Stradie. Just on that world record attempt
that's going to happen in South Africa. It's interesting because
that's a machine record, isn't it And the South Africans
are really known for their blades. So yeah, really looking
forward to that one anyway. Uh. Latest in sports news,
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Sports with AFCO. Visit them online at a FCO dot
co dot.
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Nz your sports newsheadlines Blackburns great Busher, Woodman and Wickleff
is king to rights and wrongs in her return to
international rugby. The double Olympic gold medalist and two times
Rugby World Cup champion has so finding you eight month
contract with NZR and appears to be a shilling to
make a third World Cup this August and September. Chris
Wood has returned to form for Nottingham Forest, scoring for
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the first time in football's Premier League since suffering a
injury while on All Whites duty last month. The thirty
three year old head at home Who's nineteenth goal of
the campaign to secure a two to one when at Tottenham,
and New Zealand's Sport Integrity commissioners warning key weeks to
take corruption out of local corruption of local sports seriously.
(21:31):
The United Nations reports that organized crime controls one point
seven trillion yeuis dollars in illegal betting each year, with
New Zealand's time zone making us vulnerable to unregulated gambling
when there's no other live sport on around the globe.
Interesting that one, right, As I mentioned at the start
of the show, it is fifty sleeps till field days.
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I have no idea how this has come around so quickly.
It's the biggest agricultural event in the Southern Hemisphere. Twoing
to Mystery Craik in the Wine cut Le June eleventh
to fourteenth. Tickets will be on sale soon, but just
because we can, the country and ended Me are the
official media partners of Field Days once again. All this
week we have double passes up for grabs. If you
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want to score a double pass two field Days this June,
just text Field Days to five double O nine. You
are in the draw. Where will announce the winner on
tomorrow's show up next to Lindy Nelson from Safer Farms,
the sponsable. Tragically, we've had two on farm deaths over
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Easter weekend, one Inclusa and one in Topell. I'm not
going to go into details. A lot of you will
know those involved, but I will just say our Sincera's
thoughts are with their loved ones at the moment. Joining
me now is Safer Farms chair Lindy Nelson. Good afternoon, Lindy,
welcome in.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Thanks Juina and we're at Safer Farms. Our hearts go
out to those people that are involved. You know, every tragedy.
Every farm death we have, at least two hundred people
are immediately affected, and why are three thousand people? So
today we're all feeling, We're all feeling how do we
do this? How do we keep our people safe? Now?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
New Zealand farms are one of the best places in
the world to work, but they are also one of
the most dangerous.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yep, they are. And you know, a couple of years
ago we launched the farm with our arm Strategy, which
is about us coming together collectively as farmers as industry
recognizing we've got to improve how we think about and
then act around safety. And every one of us doesn't
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eye roll when we think about the word self and safety,
but really safety is just an outcome of really good
work design. And so we have to start to have
different conversations on our farms, have to have different conversations
with our families.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
And if maybe we haven't had this safety conversation for
a while, Lindy, you know, what are some ways of
introducing that topic to have that conversation with our workers,
with our bosses, with our loved ones.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
And then we start with none of us go to
work intending to get injured. We all want to get
home safe at night, and so at the start of
a task, it's how do we assess risk here? What's changed?
You know, we've had a lot of you know, rain
throughout New Zealand in the last few days. That's a
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dynamic risk that's suddenly there that wasn't there a week ago.
So I think start with a culture of caring and
don't make it about our policies and procedures necessarily when
we were not used to that way of thinking and talking.
Start with how do we how do get home safe?
Speaker 7 (25:01):
What are the risks?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Involve everybody in assessing those risks and whether that's a
skill risk, whether that's a change in an environment at risk.
It's simple row and I think if we start from
we care, we all care, and we all are responsible
for this. I think that changes conversations.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Putting myself and the role of a farmer. Often you're
trying to prioritize different tasks throughout the day. Often you're
thinking about what's coming next, what do I need to
do to be able to get to that, and you're
not always necessarily focusing on the job at hand. I've
heard that mentioned is something to maybe be aware of.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think ultimately it's developing those pauses
throughout the day, which actually are really good for our
mental health as well. You know that whole take five
and stop between those tasks and prioritize thinking about actually
having a break. What's coming up. What's an outcome of
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really good work is safety, So start with that focus
and then prioritize those breaks and just think about pausing.
Is there a new risk here? I need to think
about something.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I've also had mentioned to me Lendy, and the topic
of safety has been just because we're wearing helmets, we
might have a rollover protection on our quad bikes, we're
wearing our seat belts. Doesn't mean we're invincible.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
No, but if we were doing all those three roads,
we'd actually been doing incredibly well as a farming sector. No,
we're not invincible, and the fatalities that we're having proved that,
so we do have to think about how we do
this differently. There is some great resources on our Farm
(26:49):
without Home website and particularly around safety alerts, so we're
sharing things that have gone well but also things that
have gone wrong for other farmers around New Zealand. And
it's a good place to start. Get used to looking
at that website, discussing it with your team or your partner,
around those safety loots that come out and just assessing
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that against Hey, have we got everything covered here?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah? And I guess even you know, once a month,
once every two months, and stuff actually just having the
team around, getting in a morning tea or something, popping
a batch of SCons in the oven, or you know,
pick up a packet of mini pies from the supermarket,
have a meeting and just say, has anyone got something
they'd like to raise anything you've seen as everyone okay
with everything that's happening around here at the moment, and
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just normalizing that as part of your your yearly routine.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I guess you're completely are I'd personally like to set
more than every two months.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I was being generous here, Lindy.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Once a week's most. I've just stopped as the whole
team is a great culture thing to do in any cases,
people together. But ro you're absolutely on the money there.
It's involving every body because we get kunnel visioned as farmers.
You know, we go to do a task and we
stop seeing things, and I think involving everybody in that
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discussion is an excellent place to start. It's about caring
for one another and all getting home safely at night.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, and just making it seem as normal as possible.
You know, from my perspective, it's even hard to talk
about on the radio and trying not come across as
as preacher or telling people what to do, because I'm
not out there on the farm every day anymore. But
it's just as you said at the start, everyone cares.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, and you know, it's a really good point, and
it's part of what we're trying to do it Safe
for Farms is we're not preaching. It's not our job
to do that. We're about sharing stories, sharing what's working,
and trying to help find solutions to that and talking
about how scion sometimes does make us uncomfortable, but it's
(28:58):
quite wrong. It's a lot less for a woman turning
up to someone's funeral, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Absolutely Lindy Nelson's share of Safer Farms. Really appreciate your
time on the country and your wisdom there go well, thanks,
thanks Lindy. It is coming up sixteen away from one
Warwick Katto is on the road at the moment, touching
banks with the regional winners of the Balance Farm Environment Awards.
We catch up with him next. Well, all eleven and
(29:34):
regional winners have been found in the Balance Farm Environment Awards.
The National on Farm judging is in the thick of it,
the halfway through it. Basically now joining me is one
of the two judges tripping around the country Warwick ketto
good afternoon.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Warwick goodno from a sort of funny tale after lots
of range. I think Filers and Gross are probably happy
with the rain with a heaving recently.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, absolutely. Looking at neewa's drought monitor map on the internet,
like honestly it has been so angry read for a
while and a lot of those places have now gone clear,
so we have well and truly broken the drought. It
makes it for very interesting on farm judging if you've
got not much grass around Warwick. How is the judging
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process going so far?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Well, as you say, it's halfway through. We've pretty much
been doing all the upper half of the North Island
to date and so we've got the Taranaki and the
South Island to do in a week or two time.
But the challenge and exciting thing this year is how
diverse the group is. You know, we've got deer farming,
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we've got dairy, we've got leafy greens or vegetables, beef,
kiwi fruit, high country down on Otago, sheep and beef
and arable like I don't. It's the most diverse group
we've ever had. So it's actually very enjoyable to go
and visit the different enterprises.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Absolutely, but you know it makes it pretty challenging for
yourself and Jamie String you know, how do you compare
apples and oranges?
Speaker 7 (31:13):
Well, the way I look at is, at a very
high level, they all use the same resources. They all
use people, land, climates, cash, and so part of it is,
you know, the same paths of land you could put
different farming people on and they'd come up with different enterprises.
(31:36):
So at a very broad level you're actually looking at
how they do that, and particularly with how they're doing
it relative to their own sector. So it's about resource
use efficiency and they're all exceptional at it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, Now this year is particularly special Worrick because the
awards basically started thirty years ago in the White Custle,
a man the name of Gordon Stephenson and a bunch
of farmers around him kicked it all off.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Well I went to the Wykatta Awards this year and
there was a celebratory function for them, and yeah, it
was quite insightful in terms of starting something like this.
And I remember when we first got involved about twenty
odd years ago. You know, one of the things with
the Farm Environment Awards is how many farmers might you
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marginalize talking about environmental issues and it shows how much
their farming sectors progressed to These environmental issues are very
mainstream now. Was if you go back to the two
thousands or the nineteen nineties, you know, were peering, planting
and protection of ecosystems was not a common practice at all.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
It would have been a novelty, and now it is
very very common around the country. In your experience, what
has changed over time and maybe what actually hasn't.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
For me, some of the big changes, particularly as around labor,
particularly the pivot from being often very far staff were
on a progression to ownership. Where's a lot of them
now are employees and so and so how they managed
staff has certainly changed a lot. Health and safety. You know,
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we were whizzing around on four wheelers without helmets back
in the day, whereas now helmets are the norm commonly
worn using side both sides the environment. Again, if you
think back then stock exclusion with the clean streams accord
was the thing, whereas now you're seeing planting of riparian
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areas and the more progressive ones are now moving into
a predator control. So quite a focus on biodiversity. And
the other one you see commonly is the farming farming
journey that we've gone through with climate change with greenhouse
gases and whether you're irrespective whether you sit on it,
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what you've seen is the mindset change towards a very
whereas if the market wants something, what's the opportunity and
presenting products that the market wants. And so that's the
one thing that probably hasn't changed is the farmer grows
that we need have always been looking at market opportunities.
(34:33):
How do they either value add to their own products,
but it wool or meat or dairy, either directly themselves,
direct to market or indirectly through their their retailing businesses.
One farm tourism interesting has always been there, the number
them doing that again, the share in the community wide
(34:54):
a primary industry and community interests. So some things have
changed the same, the more news that people have, but
the farming contexts changed, and you know, when you change,
farm productivity changes one percent improves one percent perannum, and
so it's very incremental. You don't notice it. And one
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of the things we've been doing is revisiting properties that
we might have revisited five or ten years ago. And
when you go back and revisit them, particularly when you've
had videos and photos of it, it's quite interesting to
see their reaction because they don't see that incremental change
whereas we do, and it's quite impressive to see where
we're going.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Just finally, I remember when we hit our national judging
for the Dairy Industry Awards back in twenty thirteen, our
farm owners bit one of the judges while we were
having the interview. At the end of it, what's the
weirdest thing you've encountered? Oh my gosh, putting you on
the spot here.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
You certainly, yeah, yeah, probably Jamie and I traveling together
two men, as Jamie used to cause the traveling white base,
And yeah, two men traveling together for three weeks is
probably the most unusual thing, you know, having dinners together
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and breakfasts together and she tolerating each other. But it's
a pretty special relationship with Jamie, Like you know a
man who could roll across crook straight I call the
rental in New Zealand's I find him quite inspiring if
I do the entrance as well. But he's a pretty
unique character and so for me, the thing is it's
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probably not unusual, but understanding how someone unique like Jamie operates.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, and hey, look better you traveling with Jamie strength
and with Jamie McKay. I'll give you that one.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
Who all agreed on that one?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Larek Kato one of the two national judges alongside the
wonderful and remarkable Jamie Strang, Not that you're not wonderful
and remarkable, but really appreciate your time and good luck
with the rest of those Balanced Farm Environment Awards judging.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
Thanks follow.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Time line four to one wrapping the country. Look, if
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It's called drench Wise Farm Smart. You'll find it on
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Do go and have her listen to it. I enjoyed
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making it. We will catch you back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
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