April 23, 2025 • 38 mins
Rowena Duncum talks to Miles Hurrell, Chris Russell, Kevin "Smiley" Barrett, and Racheal Shearer.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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What second Pa said, No pay no down until the
lights go out. A very good afternoon, New Zealand and
welcome into the Country. My name is Rowena Duncan and
for Jamie McKay once again on your Thursday. A lot
to get through this hour. We are heading across to Australia,
(00:46):
of course, on the eve of Anzac Day. Chris Russell,
as our Australian correspondent, has been with this show for
thirty one years. We'll talk about the live cattle exports
in Australia. What the latest is there. I think it's
gone back to court or something. Feral cats proving a
bit of a problem across the ditch, and of course
his recollection and his connection with Anne zach Day. We've
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also got Rachel Sharer GM for PGG Wrights and Wool.
She's on holiday in Central Otago, but she's going to
give us an update on the state of the will market.
Of course, we had Dan Steele on yesterday's show out
of Blue Ducks Station, saying, hey, things are pretty positive
with woll at the moment it's gone from worth nothing
to worth not much. We've also got to Smiley Kevin
(01:29):
Smiley Barrett out of coastal Tartanuki and updates from a
drought stricken part of the country that's had a bit
of rain lately. Hopefully he'll be feeling a bit more positive.
But joining me in studio today is Miles Hurrell, CEO
of Fonterra. Good afternoon, Miles, very well, thank you. Of
course you are the one responsible for our first song
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of the day. You said, look, we're in Duneda and
choose something six sixty. I've chosen the greatest. I'm not
saying you're the greatest, You're all right, but it's the
only song I consider of there is to have a
bit of bee.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
We've just come down here with some friends for the
last few days. Done the rail trail. Been a wonderful
few days actually, and the sunshine and to need and
can't be better than that. So yeah, great to you, hear.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, And of course the rail trail is something I
said when I moved down to Dunedin eight years ago.
I was going to have a crack at still on
the bucket list? How good?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
How good out of ten would you rate it?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It's right up there. I mean, this is something pretty
special for New Zealand. And you know ten out of
ten and plenty of our cheese rolls to boot, plenty
of opportunity to see some farmers on the way and
great week you.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Had me at cheese rolls. That's been one of my
favorite discoveries of moving down south. And of course with
Fonterrat cheese of course has to be, has to be,
has to be. What were some of the highlights for
you though? Was there any part of the trail that
really stood out well?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Just to see these small towns that you probably don't
normally stop. And we started in Clyde and finished up
in middle March, so about four or five days through there.
But you know, just the different country pubs, the people
you meet along the way, but also just the time
to sort of get out, look at the scenery, take
your time. Got a bit wetle on the way, so
clean their rains through there. But as I say, overall,
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bloody good week.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah, indeed, And I was in the same area
while you were there over east, but chasing deer around
and the paddocks. Did you see many deer from the
rail trail?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
There was quite a few, actually, I must say, no
more deer here than you would see in the North Island,
that's for sure. So no, it was. It was a great, great.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Scenery and just considering that I hadn't actually thought if
you're doing the rail trail and the raw, yeah, you're
obviously going to have a few.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah he was, But no weapons with us
this time, so just just letting go here.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, you went through Wedderburn. Did you manage to catch
up with our made up there, stew Duncan?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
We did in need a fantastic accommodation there, and the
Widowburen Pub put on a decent feed for us as well,
So now it's excellent. He's got a great set up there,
I must say. I think he's running about twelve thousand
stock units at the moment, so that's a decent sized operation.
But his shell ais that he's got there for the
for the punters is excellent.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, we do give him a lot of stick on
the show, old Stewie, but who does a damn good job. Hey, look,
a month left and the dairy season. How are things
looking coming to a close?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, I mean it's been a pretty good season milk wise,
despite obviously being being quite wet more more recently. But
you know, we're sitting out there with our midpoint of
ten dollars. That the gdt's sort of been around that
number for a while now, but we've seen that, you know,
the US economy sort of fall off a little bit,
which means that the dollars come back a little bit.
So as a result of that, you know, the increase
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you've seen in GDT won't play through to any increases
i'd say at this point. But were sitting at ten
dollars as a midpoint, quite happy with that, and when
you looked forward to the season ahead, also things are
looking quite good. Not we're sending some of the macroeconomic
challenges that we see out there.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
When you walked into the studio, Miles, you looked at
the whiteboard on the wall there that obviously I'd put
an update months if not years ago, saying Fonterra a
milk price ranger between seven dollars twenty five and eight
dollars seventy five and ben point eight dollars. We've come
a long way since then.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
We have come a long way, and I think we've seen,
you know, that Chinese market sort of come back, not
quite to what it was sort of a couple of
years ago, but certainly you're starting to see some signs
of life out of out of that market. We've seen
some signs of life out of the Middle East as well,
which is a good market for US Southeast Asia. So overall,
demands in a good position in supply. You just not
seeing the supply to the US or not seeing the
supply to Europe as we would have seen when you
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get to these sort of price level. So you know,
it is a pretty good time I think to be
a dairy farmer and out there at the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Absolutely now you walked in here and gave me a coffee,
I should have been the one buying you a coffee
to try and butter you up. You know I'm looking
at you in the eyes. You're not on the phone
this time. Any hint of an opening milk price.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well, we're about a month away from that opening position.
And as I say that, the supply demand dynamics are
quite quite helpful where we sit here. But you know,
some of those clouds that are emerging, will it be
you know, what's happening with out of the US in
terms of the tariff wall that's underway. How does that
play out long term? Who knows? But I do see
that the global economy slow down somewhat. Does it have
an impact throughout next season? Not too sure, but the
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supply demand position is very helpful for us to put
a decent number out. I think in a month's time.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's a company like Fonterra or a co op like Fonterra.
With the way things are emerging globally, how do you
keep an eye on that? Like I imagine you've got
entire teams who are devoted to finding out what's happening
overseas and feeding that information through. But there's just so
much happening at the moment to keep an eye on.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
He there is so much happening. But it's also the
pace of change as well, and so you know, you
wake up the morning, you see things on the media,
and that's that's almost as fast as you're getting it
from you guys in market now as well, because things
are moving so fast, so it is hard to try
and manage. But you know, we've got good people around
the world. We're in most of the corners of the
world to understand what's happening. And yeah, at the same time,
you don't have an influence over that, so we just
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got to play it, play it as we see it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Now, you've got a whole entourage in the studio with you.
There's six of you and one of me. We've also
got six segments in the shallow so I've said to
everyone in the ad break throw me a song was
started with you with six sixty miles. I'm a bit
nervous about what's to come from some of these.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Well, well me too. When you got your twelve year
old son who's listening to stuff that that I don't
usually listen to, I'm actually worried for the listener.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Absolutely, I'm just absolving myself of any any responsibility for
music choices for the rest of the show. Myles harl
Fonterra Ceo, thank you so much for coming and then
calling in on your way through Dunedin. You've definitely added
that rail trail to the list of my musters. In
the next few years, but appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Go well, no worries. Great for having us, Thanks you
for much.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
No worries. Thanks so much, Miles. Right now up next,
let's head to Australia. Chris Russell as our guy on
the ground, he has been for thirty one years. We'll
get an ANZAC story and next here on the country
when I hear the car will a rasfar shot. Well,
(07:52):
we're off to Australia. Now on the country there we
find Chris Russell, our Australian correspondent of over thirty one
years standing on this show. Chris, and that time you
would have covered off quite a few ANZAC services and
ANZAC days with Jamie McKay.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Good afternoon, Yes today Row and yes we have covered
many and from all over the world, including from Gallipoli itself.
I remember a very astute interview with Helen Clark, your
Prime Minister, in the hotel in Chanaclie where we were
both staying before we went over for the dawn service,
and a remarkable interview. I found her to be amazingly
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responsive and switched on. And of course everyone in Australia
and New Zealand now celebrates this very sacred day I
think probably even more sacred to Australians than Australia Day,
which is a bit in controversy here.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
But we will be all out tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Every one will be out at the dawn services. I'm
going to a lunch and ANZAC Day lunch as well,
you know. And the young people attendants at the dawn
service tomorrow. I mean I couldn't get my kids out
of bed with a stick o'clock in the morning normally,
but you know they I can guarantee to you that
half the people there tomorrow will be people under aged,
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under twenty five or thirty.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, it warms my heart every year. I'm off to
our service in ranfairly tomorrow and the many are Toto here,
central Otago, small town and really looking forward to it.
Not looking forward to the cool. It will be rather frosty,
but yeah, just an amazing, amazing day. We'll come back
to ANZAC later, Chris. But I first want to look
at Australian Angry Business. Your Live Cattle Expert ban has
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headed back to court. What's the latest with this?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
So this is We've referred to this a few times
and this is this battle that's been gone going on
over the fact that the live cattle were banned in
twenty twelve from being exported to Indonesia. Now it's caused
tremendous damage because now, of course the Indonesians are gun
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shy about getting cattle, and they sought to get cattle
from India and from South America and buffalo from India
in fact, because they're not one hundred percent sure that
this thing won't happen again. So then Minister Labor Minister
Joe Ludwig just arbitrarily banned live cattle being export and
decimated that industry. It went to court in twenty twenty
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and the Minister or the judge ruled that the minister
had acted illegally in what he did and awarded damages
to the lead claimant, but hasn't yet settled the damages
to all of the kind of class action claimants. They
made an offer of two hundred million between them and
that was rejected as being almost insulting them by the members.
(10:40):
Now the arguments in court with the farmers saying that
in fact, the damage that's been done has been ongoing
since twenty twelve. It's not just the six week period
of the ban, but it's actually carried on since then,
and hence they're claiming one point two billion dollars in
total damages. Obviously he won't get that. They're going to
get a lot more than two hundred millions, So the
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judge is going to take probably some months to make
his final decision. They weren't able to agree, of course,
which is why it's in the court, and there's been
a lot of business about this. It was clearly a
sop to the Greens by the Labor Party. They saw
an excuse of being able to get brownie points with
the Greens who hate love of animal exports. But for
the Northern Territory it's critical because their alternative is shipping
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the cattle one thousand kilometers south at a huge expense,
rather than putting them out through the ports and straight
into Indonesia. Of course, all of the avatars that they
go to and now are all controlled. The farmers are
responsible to make sure they follow animal welfare practices that
are appropriate, and anyone who've discovered that where the abatoire
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has not followed those practices, in fact their particular license
is canceled. So they're very strictly controlled, much stricter than
any other country I think in the world. And that's
the silly part about it from animal welfare point of view,
that if we didn't supply it, they'd get it from
countries where I don't really give a hoot about animal
welfare or the condition of the animals or how they're
(12:05):
slaughtered when they actually get to Indonesia. Ray.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We have that with pork here in New Zealand. We
input pork from countries with far lease animal health and
welfare standards than we have in New Zealand. Of course,
it's much cheaper to produce, and then our own producers
who are meeting those stringent health and welfare standards are
priced out of the market. It drives me crazing.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Chris ro The other thing to remember is that just
replacing it with beef is not the answer because they
don't have refrigeration a lot of these islands and villages
up there, so it's all hot meat markets. Plus there
are whole industries revolve around the local abatoise. You know,
there's one man who makes his living out of selling
all the hooks, another one sells all the horns, another
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one sells all the guts, things that they wouldn't get
if they were just buying the beef. So it's much
bigger than just saying well, we can slaughter them here
in Australia and then just send them the meef, because
that's not going to work in the Indonesians. They are
going to get it from elsewhere, and of course then
the outcomes for those animals from elsewhere will be worse.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Chris Russell, our Australian correspondent, is with us. Chris, Wait there,
I've got a lot more I want to ask you,
but we need to take a break here on the country.
Back with more tales from Australia. Next. Welcome back to
the country. Our Australian correspondent, Chris Russell was with us
(13:28):
on the eve of the ANZAC Day. We've covered off
the live export, cattle band and Australia. Chris. Another issue
that you've got across the ditch there as feral cats.
We've had an issue with them here in New Zealand.
We had a school that actually had a feral cat
killing competition. It went viral. People were up in arms
about it. I had to go on UK talk television
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to defend our country and say we're actually still a
nation of nice people. Who still help old ladies across
the road. We just also have the reality of feral
cats that are doing a lot of damage. You've got
some stats in Australia that are really eyebrow raising.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Well they are, and I think one of the problems
is in our very urbanized society is that all of
those lovely people who have their cats, who they love
and enjoy as pets, just forget the fact that these
animals are naturally hunters and unless you're going to cage
them in roofed cages in runs in your backyard, they
will get over that fence and they will go and
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kill other native animals. And they're now this latest testing
that they've done at the University of New South Wales.
The lady called doctor Catherine Moseby said that DNA has
been swabbed from various radio transmitters fitted to areas they've
met to animals that they've been trying to reintroduce back
to conservation areas, and they determined that cats are responsible
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for most of the deaths after release. In fact, they're
now saying that about two thirds of Australia's mammal extinctions
since European settlement occurred are due to cat that's not
such a big contribution from boxes as they previously thought.
So you know, they're talking billions of animals that are
slaughtered by cats every year, and some of these animals
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are getting huge. There's tomcats running around, they're capturing the
weigh over five kilos. They've got teeth on them like
small jaguars, and they're vicious killers. And of course these
ones have gone completely feral, but even the animals that
live at home during the day and smile sweetly and
purr in front of the fire by night, they become
stalkers and vicious killers of some of these native animals,
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particularly the nocturnal ones. So they're asking the farmers for
another sixty million dollars from the government to increase the
level of baiting and try and have the institution of
a National Feral Cat Plan, and that's going to be
run by the Invasive Species Council because cats are increasingly
been seeing as probably the worst pests that we have
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in terms of native animals in Australia.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right yeah, absolutely, And as I keep saying to you know,
if you're twenty kays from the nearest home, the cat
that's out there isn't the adjustice sun itself. It's out
there to try and cause a bit of hassle because
it's and it's nature. It's not the cat's spot. But
it is an issue and it needs to be addressed. Chris. Obviously,
tomorrow Anzac Day an amazing day for both Australians and
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New Zealanders to remember those who have gone before us
in the freedom we now enjoy. What does Anzac Day
mean to you?
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well, I think for me, it's the time when you
reflect on how lucky we are as a country and
you increasingly look around the world. And we're having an
election in a couple of weeks and we went and
voted in the pre polls yesterday. There's no soldiers standing
around with machine guns. It's a civil democracy process. You know.
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This is a freedom. This is a country which has
been defended by people who have given up their very
existence in order that we can have that freedom. And
that's I think what Australians are celebrating. They're not celebrating war.
War is a terrible thing, but young people of course
increasingly are probably less inclined to want a fight or
have anything to do with that. But that doesn't stop
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them respecting the people who defended our country against those
invaders years ago. And I particularly reminded of my uncle,
who was my grandmother's brother. He was just a farmer
from Claire in South Australia, a little town. I talked
to you from there last year, and we were traveling
through with the caravan. He immediately with his mates went
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down at the age of eighteen, when soon as the
war started the First World War, signed up to go overseas,
was sent into the Battle of the Somme, and very quickly,
from having no military background, was awarded the Military Medal
because he's very good at cricket. He was sitting there
catching the bombs that the Germans were throwing from their
trenches into the Australian trenches. He was catching them and
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throwing them back before they blew up. Sounds like an
inherently dangerous thing, nearly as dangerous as facing the Poms
in the ashes. Anyway. He won the Military Medal for that,
and then he was promoted in the field to lieutenant
and put in the intelligence score and went over the
Battle of Darrencourt, where because he spoke fluent German, he
was given the job of crawling under across dead no
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man's land, underneath all the dead bodies, to try and
listen in to the German Orders group meetings at night
where the Germans were deciding what they're going to do
the next day, and then come back again across the
same territory and report to the British generals about what
was going to happen. And he was single handedly given
a very significant part of the responsibility for the victory
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that they had at that particular battle, and for that
he won the Military Cross. The Military Cross could only
be awarded officers, Military Medal the ordinary soldiers, and so
he is one of only five Australians to be awarded
both the Military Medal and the Military Cross. Look where
as a family, of course very proud of him, and
yet he was never really proud of himself. I don't
remember him well. I was only ten when he died,
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but came back and went back to his farm, continued
to grow. Wheat died at the age of seventy nine
in nineteen sixty two and just became an ordinary citizen again,
citizen again. My grandmother said he never really spoke much
about his war experience. It was just something he did
with his mates, and yet we, I think today celebrate
people like him, the fact that they've given us these freedoms.
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They were prepared to drop what they were doing defend
us through the mother country, as they then had in England,
from being being taken over by countries who would have
run this place completely differently. And we should forever remember
that because that is a sacred, ultimate sacrifice these men made,
and I think anything we can do to recognize that,
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go down and have our own memories round the cenotaph
on Anzac Day morning is a very special time.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Row absolutely, Chris Russell, our Australian correspondent, always love catching
up with you around that Anzac time, a very special
day for both of our countries. Appreciate your time and
all the best at that service tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
No worries, thanks for saying to you.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Thanks Chris. It is twenty eight away from one and
of course every family has their own connection with Anzac Day.
For me, my grandfather was in the Air Force, seconded
to England and this is one of my favorite personal
stories as well. He was based in Malta for a while,
shot down in the Mediterranean Sea, but actually fortunately rescued
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by some of the Maltese people, and Magnana knew nothing
about it. She was just told he was lost at sea.
She was planning a memorial service for him when she
read in the paper that he was on a boat
arriving in Wellington the next day. Sadly he passed away.
I think my dad was only three months old through
injury sustained in the war. But at least they got
him back for a while, long enough to create my dad,
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which is delightful for me. But yeah, just there'd be
so many stories like that. If you've got one you
want to share, five double O nine is my text number.
Also if you're wanting to head along to Field Days
this year, of course, it's on June eleven to fourteen,
Mystery Crank and the Wye Cuttle. We are the official
media partner. Tickets are on sale soon, but we've got
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some double passes to give away. If you want to
head along, just text Field Days to five double oh
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We'll announce another winner before one o'clock and make sure
you get those texts and field days to five, double
O nine, or as I say, if you want to
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share any connection your family has with Anzac Day, feel
free too as well. Up next to the latest and
rural news are celebrity sports newsreader Miles hurell as a well.
Before the end of the hour, a will update you
a for you from Rachel Sharer, and we're going to
head to the Nakki catch up with Kevin Smiley Barrett
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demand them to consider a first Ole Hotel Smokus cigarette
music not chosen by me today. This one is Miles
Harrel's son. I'm pointing firmly at him in his direction.
Everyone in studio. We've got Miles, We've got his family,
we've got his friends. Everyone's chosen one song and we
were a bit nervous about this choice. I'm absolving myself
(22:17):
from any responsibility for it, but hey, this apparently is
what the young kids are listening to these days. Sprinter,
I can't even remember who it's by. Michelle Watt, executive
producer for the Country, joins me in studio now as well.
We've got a cast of thousands today. Michelle, your family's
got a connection to the war as well. Good afternoon, afternoon.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yes, bro, My great uncle was actually buried in Italy
near Naples, so yeah, he died when he was quite young.
I think he was eighteen or nineteen. But I remember
my grandmother sharing me, sharing with me her letters, and
of course back then, if they died in battle, they
sent back all the letters returned to send it. But
I don't remember what the stamp said. Other people out
there might know, but they stamped them with a stamp
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and it's quite blunt.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But the letters.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I remember her reading through them all and her showing
me pictures of them, and Dad still got the medals
at home, so it's quite special.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Really.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
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think he might be ready, Michelle. You just rotate through
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on that microphone. Here is our celebrity sports newsreader. It
is Miles Hurele.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
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Recently crown New Zealand Superbike champion Mitch Reez is about
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in two rounds of the British Superbike Championship as well
as the famed Northwestern two hundred in Northern Ireland. The
Perth NRL expansion team appears to be all systems go
after questions in recent months over its future. The Sidney
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Morning Herald reports the Australian Rugby League Commission has signed
off on the deal after an increased offer from the
Western Australian Government and the coach of the Crusaders in
twenty twenty six won't be known until well after the
current Super Rugby Pacific season, Rob Penny, has turned things
around after a tremultuous first year in charge, where the
Crusaders failed to make the finals for the first time
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in nearly a decade.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Fantastic, Thank you so much for that, Miles. I've got
rid of your son's sprinter. More of that six sixty
underneath you there? All right, Actually stick around miles because
we're going to one of your farmers next, an organic
farmer in coastal Tadanaki by the name of Smiley Barrett.
He's up next here on the country. So the lads go, well,
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we're off to Tutanucky now on the country, coastal Tartanucky
in banks. There we find our farming ambassador, Kevin Smiley Barrett.
Good afternoon, Smiley. How's it going good.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Afternoon around Listen? Yeah, great day today, actually after at
of a suddly blast yesterday. But nice call, Chris morning.
But yeah, definitely ground some grassy and getting some week
done here.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That's good. And of course you're an organic farm so
you want to be growing as much grass on farm
as possible. A little bit more challenging.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
To get hold of, Yeah, you would definitely weaent there.
Last time we talked to you three weeks ago that
grow here. We just had some good rain. But yeah,
most guys help the south Kierancki you are still here,
could do it a week bit more, but here most
guys are quite ground some good grass here, which is
great and try and get some milk intomorrow.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yea very severe frost down here parts of south and
giving snapchats of that this morning. That all impaid the
growth rates, obviously. Have you had any frosts in the
Naka yet?
Speaker 6 (26:59):
No? Note there's not any snow on the mountain.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Actually I was going to put the sawt teams in
this morning. I didn't do that extually, but I'm right
up there. We've had no no cold rain as such,
you know, so the saw was not saturated, it's not cold,
so you will definitely grow some grass going into the winter.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yere Now in terms of drying off, what are you looking.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
At for that purding on towards the end of my year?
If we've dried a few lights off in a few
high sale accounts and coroners last, and the mint yesterday,
so catulus and goodness with the heats will be one
today since you know February with the dry so your
volumes down. But here ivan keep going. Well, the conditioners
are good year.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
We've got the head of your milk company, Males Harrald's
CEO of Fonterira and Studio co hosting the show today.
You were giving him a bit of stick in the
air break Smiley, well and good favor.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
With Fonterra and being an organic farmer, you get a
bit of a premium. What are you looking at this year?
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Sure was midpoint here left to back me up on
this exity, I think it was eleven eighties a mid point, yes,
so that's good. Yeah, I'm not so sure that the
volumes haven't hadn update for a while, but just been
a challenging. You had a good playout and you know
the two never go and intend of me with the
whip production here but some you know where it might
be the onteen to fifteen percent, which is which is
pretty good really, I know there's some some people have
dried off, you know, so that's fine and every years
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divine and you take the good of the bed here.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So miles in terms of you know, organic versus conventional farmers,
what's the percentage or do you have a lot of
that around New Zealand supplying Fonterra.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
We limit it to the North Island at the moment anyway,
but it's also a relatively small percentage of our book
and we try and keep it that way because trying
to build a tension there our supply demand and it's
a relatively small market for us, predominantly in the US
at the moment. But you know it's growing for us,
but we try and cap the amount of growth that
we see every year as well.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, Smiley, are there many other organic farmers near you?
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Yes, there is. One of my neighbors is organic and
there is good fi year.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I might transition from dairy farming and to rugby's only
but whom we're in the ad Brack Smiley. Then I
realized the Highlanders are playing the Crusaders here in Duneda
and Saturday night seven oh five. You'll have a son
taking to the field, Scott Barrett.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Yeah, yes, gotting a doubt. I haven't seen the team
the team yet to the Suposa. It's not already year,
so he'll be I'll be looking to keep the form
going and go down. They're not up a one, but
Michael Derby down the other hands. As you know, they're
tough at home, so I'll have to play well to
beat them.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, it's always a good game down here and a
good crowd. It's a bit tough though when it's in
the middle of a long weekend but they'll have their
faithful supporters down there. How's Jordy getting on in Ireland? Smiley?
He can't be too far away from coming back home.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
But the bussessing the seasons is cranking in there. Actually, Yeah,
they had a game last week. There was a day
to remember off end for the USC, so so even
played that game. They rested them. But going forward, got
some big games coming up, so in the US and
the European Cup.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Is JORDI still having a lot of support from your
old friends from when you were farming in Ireland? Are
they still heading along to all the games and cheering
them on?
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Oh? They certainly, as the whole of Ireland. I don't
think I'd say they'll be seriously talking about customs over
and they won't be looking at the country that we
wanted to hang on to you. That's what's man. I mean,
he's got to come and improve himself by you're looking
out to you. So but when he gets and if
he's right, you ameally if they not be developed with
some super games, but he does, unto you be you'd
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be to treat during year.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So wait and see situation, Kevin Smiley, Barrett, I know
you're in the tractor. You've just paused it to chat
to us, but hey, thanks so much on behalf of
myself and co host Myles Harral, thanks for your.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Time as a pleaser. Have a good day.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Thanks so much. Smiley, Thanks so much, Miles, you've been
a great co host. Myles Harrell, CEO of on Terra,
I'd better let you go join the roost of your
day in Dunedin. Have massively appreciated your company, yourself and
your entourage in the studio here. It's just been a
fun way to have a Thursday show. Thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Great thanks for juwin.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It my absolute pleasure. Look next week on the Country,
we are celebrating Kaiwalker clothing turning fifty and I should
have mentioned this with Smiley because his son Scott Barrett
has become the ambassador for Kaiwalker. It's two hundred seasons,
so fifty years, two hundred seasons of protecting Kiwi's from
(31:28):
the element. Listen in next week to be in to
win one of Kaiwalker's amazing storm Force jackets every day
next week. Jamie will have more details on how you
can win on Monday. But I know from my time
farming the Kiwalker jackets They were a kream Della cream.
They were the ones that didn't let you down when
it was raining. Those beautiful cuffs. Was it rubber around
(31:49):
the cuffs? Stop the water going up them? Absolutely loved mine.
So you can win one each and every day. Next
week Kaiwalker's fiftieth anniversary right here on the Country. Up next,
we will wrap the show with Rachel Sharer with a
bit of a Wall update. Time for our monthly look
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at the Will Market. Joining me now is Rachel Share,
a GM for Will and director of d at PGG
Rights in Limited. Good afternoon, Rache, Good afternoon, bro, Thank
you so much for chatting to me for this Will update.
I'm going to say it here while you're on holiday
and in the beautiful Central Otago. How's your day looking?
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Oh it's looking magnificent down here. I'm staying at Lowbourn
on a beautiful vineyard and it's a spectacular day down
here in Central being very fortunate.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Oh my goodness, I am jealous, mind you. Dunedin's pretty
good today as well. Hey, look how are things looking
in the Will market overall?
Speaker 7 (32:46):
Well, I have to say things have turned. The overall
sentiment across both islands across the last month has been
pretty cautious and I know everyone's saying it, but this
global volatility that's happening, more volatility on the currency front
means a lot more volatility in the wall markets. So
it's been quite a mixed bag of results. We're still
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we're not back to the prices that we were at
last year, but we have this time last year. But
we are seeing some of the demand come off up
in the North Island, as with previous sales of very
good second year wall is still in strong demand, but
it's been a mixed bager result the down in the
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South Island. We've also seen further deterioration for most types
and styles once again in the South Island. Unfortunately, Lamb's
will has been most affected. But now that the autumn
harvesting season is coming to an end, we're hoping that
the early season and better quality early shared prelim Shawn
rules will reflect a much better result for those in
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the South Island. So unfortunately, ROH a bit of a
mixed bag this last month.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
We had a Damn Steele from Blue Decks Station on
the show yesterday and he was quite positive when he
was refair to will, right, she said, you know, it's
doubled in value, It's gone from nothing to not much.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
Yes, unfortunately, And wouldn't it be wonderful if the true
value of will would start to come through again?
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Absolutely absolutely, I must say. Every time I see on
social media or in the news people doing amazing things
with wool, I'm like, yes, more of this, keep it going, please?
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Taking a global look at things, how are things looking
around the worlds?
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Well, I have to say, with our two biggest markets
that are India and China being pretty differently treated by
the US and those tariffs, I think it's pretty likely
we're going to see a continuation of this recent trend
which is actually favoring the Indian markets. So I think
we could well see India overtake China as our biggest
market next season. And now uncertainly that's hanging over the
(34:50):
demand from China and that general nervousness that we're seeing
around what the impact is going to be on worldwide trading.
I think exports here in New Zealand are going to
take a pretty cautious approach to what they so Unfortunately,
I think we need to expect some ongoing volatility as
things shaped down and globally.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, and I think everyone's kind of getting used to
that at the moment. You know, what is the only
certainty is uncertainty. One of the highlights for me over
the last couple of weeks, Rachel was the announcement from
the government on the wool front. And you were actually
at Parliament for that, I am.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Sure was, and it was a real privilege to be
amongst other wool industry leaders there in the beehive when
the government announced that they are now directing their agencies
to use wool and fiber products in their buildings. That,
God has been a long time coming. I remember the
days when in my father's I can't repeat what he
said when wool carpets were no longer being used in
(35:45):
government agency. So it's been a really long time coming.
But look, it does suggest a renewed recognition for the
worst and also the value of strong wool when you
contemplate the value of wall products over their life cycles.
So it is just a start. We still need that
demand globally to really change the dial for those hard
working and passionate sheep farming communities that we have. But
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it's a lamb mark moment in New Zealand Will and
one that I and the team are really proud to
have been been supporting.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Absolutely and I know one of my friends who had
that petition around wool Use and Parliament buildings is absolutely
delighted as well. Rachel Sharer GM for Will at PGG
Rights and you go and enjoy that stunning central Otago. David,
thanks so much for the update.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Thanks Roy, have a good one you two.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
We're having some great texts coming through on five double
oh nine people sharing their connection with the war. One
coming through to say, my maternal grandfather was shot and
wounded both at the Soalm and Passiondale. He survived and
recovered to come home, went on to marry my grandmother
and father ten children, and my gosh, they were busy.
My paternal great aunts was a nurse working on board
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the Marquette which was sunk in the aging and See
by the Germans. She survived, came home to continue her
nursing career as matron of a couple of hospitals. She
then married a policeman who became a publican. What a
fantastic career change there. Look obviously a big weekend for
a lot of people. Staying connected with mates and neighbors
is a great way to fill your cup and stay
(37:16):
farm strong. So if you know someone out there who's
doing it tough at the moment, why not give them
a ring, flick them a text, organize a catch up
over a bear or a coffee. This weekend for free
tips on how to have a listening conversation that helps
a mate. Head to farmstrong dot co dot mz. That's
farmstrong dot co dot mz to find out what works
for you and lock it. And thank you so much
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to everyone who has managed to text Field days to
five double O nine this week our final double pass.
Congratulations to Luke Holmes in Tope war there, Michelle Watt,
Executive Producer of the Country, thanks so much for your
hard work all week, very quickly and zick day. What
does it have in store for you?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I hopefully go to dawn service tomorrow here in Tonedin.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, it was very warm here in Dunedin for dawn,
so this last year I'm off to ran fairly for
the ANZAC service tomorrow morning, looking forward to it. Thanks
so much for your company everyone, Take care. Jamie will
be back with you from Mundane next week.
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What second Pa said, No pay no down until the
lights go out. A very good afternoon, New Zealand and
welcome into the Country. My name is Rowena Duncan and
for Jamie McKay once again on your Thursday. A lot
to get through this hour. We are heading across to Australia,
(00:46):
of course, on the eve of Anzac Day. Chris Russell,
as our Australian correspondent, has been with this show for
thirty one years. We'll talk about the live cattle exports
in Australia. What the latest is there. I think it's
gone back to court or something. Feral cats proving a
bit of a problem across the ditch, and of course
his recollection and his connection with Anne zach Day. We've
(01:08):
also got Rachel Sharer GM for PGG Wrights and Wool.
She's on holiday in Central Otago, but she's going to
give us an update on the state of the will market.
Of course, we had Dan Steele on yesterday's show out
of Blue Ducks Station, saying, hey, things are pretty positive
with woll at the moment it's gone from worth nothing
to worth not much. We've also got to Smiley Kevin
(01:29):
Smiley Barrett out of coastal Tartanuki and updates from a
drought stricken part of the country that's had a bit
of rain lately. Hopefully he'll be feeling a bit more positive.
But joining me in studio today is Miles Hurrell, CEO
of Fonterra. Good afternoon, Miles, very well, thank you. Of
course you are the one responsible for our first song
(01:49):
of the day. You said, look, we're in Duneda and
choose something six sixty. I've chosen the greatest. I'm not
saying you're the greatest, You're all right, but it's the
only song I consider of there is to have a
bit of bee.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
We've just come down here with some friends for the
last few days. Done the rail trail. Been a wonderful
few days actually, and the sunshine and to need and
can't be better than that. So yeah, great to you, hear.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, And of course the rail trail is something I
said when I moved down to Dunedin eight years ago.
I was going to have a crack at still on
the bucket list? How good?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
How good out of ten would you rate it?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It's right up there. I mean, this is something pretty
special for New Zealand. And you know ten out of
ten and plenty of our cheese rolls to boot, plenty
of opportunity to see some farmers on the way and
great week you.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Had me at cheese rolls. That's been one of my
favorite discoveries of moving down south. And of course with
Fonterrat cheese of course has to be, has to be,
has to be. What were some of the highlights for
you though? Was there any part of the trail that
really stood out well?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Just to see these small towns that you probably don't
normally stop. And we started in Clyde and finished up
in middle March, so about four or five days through there.
But you know, just the different country pubs, the people
you meet along the way, but also just the time
to sort of get out, look at the scenery, take
your time. Got a bit wetle on the way, so
clean their rains through there. But as I say, overall,
(03:05):
bloody good week.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah, indeed, And I was in the same area
while you were there over east, but chasing deer around
and the paddocks. Did you see many deer from the
rail trail?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
There was quite a few, actually, I must say, no
more deer here than you would see in the North Island,
that's for sure. So no, it was. It was a great, great.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Scenery and just considering that I hadn't actually thought if
you're doing the rail trail and the raw, yeah, you're
obviously going to have a few.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah he was, But no weapons with us
this time, so just just letting go here.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, you went through Wedderburn. Did you manage to catch
up with our made up there, stew Duncan?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
We did in need a fantastic accommodation there, and the
Widowburen Pub put on a decent feed for us as well,
So now it's excellent. He's got a great set up there,
I must say. I think he's running about twelve thousand
stock units at the moment, so that's a decent sized operation.
But his shell ais that he's got there for the
for the punters is excellent.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, we do give him a lot of stick on
the show, old Stewie, but who does a damn good job. Hey, look,
a month left and the dairy season. How are things
looking coming to a close?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, I mean it's been a pretty good season milk wise,
despite obviously being being quite wet more more recently. But
you know, we're sitting out there with our midpoint of
ten dollars. That the gdt's sort of been around that
number for a while now, but we've seen that, you know,
the US economy sort of fall off a little bit,
which means that the dollars come back a little bit.
So as a result of that, you know, the increase
(04:24):
you've seen in GDT won't play through to any increases
i'd say at this point. But were sitting at ten
dollars as a midpoint, quite happy with that, and when
you looked forward to the season ahead, also things are
looking quite good. Not we're sending some of the macroeconomic
challenges that we see out there.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
When you walked into the studio, Miles, you looked at
the whiteboard on the wall there that obviously I'd put
an update months if not years ago, saying Fonterra a
milk price ranger between seven dollars twenty five and eight
dollars seventy five and ben point eight dollars. We've come
a long way since then.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
We have come a long way, and I think we've seen,
you know, that Chinese market sort of come back, not
quite to what it was sort of a couple of
years ago, but certainly you're starting to see some signs
of life out of out of that market. We've seen
some signs of life out of the Middle East as well,
which is a good market for US Southeast Asia. So overall,
demands in a good position in supply. You just not
seeing the supply to the US or not seeing the
supply to Europe as we would have seen when you
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get to these sort of price level. So you know,
it is a pretty good time I think to be
a dairy farmer and out there at the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Absolutely now you walked in here and gave me a coffee,
I should have been the one buying you a coffee
to try and butter you up. You know I'm looking
at you in the eyes. You're not on the phone
this time. Any hint of an opening milk price.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well, we're about a month away from that opening position.
And as I say that, the supply demand dynamics are
quite quite helpful where we sit here. But you know,
some of those clouds that are emerging, will it be
you know, what's happening with out of the US in
terms of the tariff wall that's underway. How does that
play out long term? Who knows? But I do see
that the global economy slow down somewhat. Does it have
an impact throughout next season? Not too sure, but the
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supply demand position is very helpful for us to put
a decent number out. I think in a month's time.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's a company like Fonterra or a co op like Fonterra.
With the way things are emerging globally, how do you
keep an eye on that? Like I imagine you've got
entire teams who are devoted to finding out what's happening
overseas and feeding that information through. But there's just so
much happening at the moment to keep an eye on.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
He there is so much happening. But it's also the
pace of change as well, and so you know, you
wake up the morning, you see things on the media,
and that's that's almost as fast as you're getting it
from you guys in market now as well, because things
are moving so fast, so it is hard to try
and manage. But you know, we've got good people around
the world. We're in most of the corners of the
world to understand what's happening. And yeah, at the same time,
you don't have an influence over that, so we just
(06:39):
got to play it, play it as we see it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Now, you've got a whole entourage in the studio with you.
There's six of you and one of me. We've also
got six segments in the shallow so I've said to
everyone in the ad break throw me a song was
started with you with six sixty miles. I'm a bit
nervous about what's to come from some of these.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Well, well me too. When you got your twelve year
old son who's listening to stuff that that I don't
usually listen to, I'm actually worried for the listener.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Absolutely, I'm just absolving myself of any any responsibility for
music choices for the rest of the show. Myles harl
Fonterra Ceo, thank you so much for coming and then
calling in on your way through Dunedin. You've definitely added
that rail trail to the list of my musters. In
the next few years, but appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Go well, no worries. Great for having us, Thanks you
for much.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
No worries. Thanks so much, Miles. Right now up next,
let's head to Australia. Chris Russell as our guy on
the ground, he has been for thirty one years. We'll
get an ANZAC story and next here on the country
when I hear the car will a rasfar shot. Well,
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we're off to Australia. Now on the country there we
find Chris Russell, our Australian correspondent of over thirty one
years standing on this show. Chris, and that time you
would have covered off quite a few ANZAC services and
ANZAC days with Jamie McKay.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Good afternoon, Yes today Row and yes we have covered
many and from all over the world, including from Gallipoli itself.
I remember a very astute interview with Helen Clark, your
Prime Minister, in the hotel in Chanaclie where we were
both staying before we went over for the dawn service,
and a remarkable interview. I found her to be amazingly
(08:30):
responsive and switched on. And of course everyone in Australia
and New Zealand now celebrates this very sacred day I
think probably even more sacred to Australians than Australia Day,
which is a bit in controversy here.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
But we will be all out tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Every one will be out at the dawn services. I'm
going to a lunch and ANZAC Day lunch as well,
you know. And the young people attendants at the dawn
service tomorrow. I mean I couldn't get my kids out
of bed with a stick o'clock in the morning normally,
but you know they I can guarantee to you that
half the people there tomorrow will be people under aged,
(09:07):
under twenty five or thirty.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, it warms my heart every year. I'm off to
our service in ranfairly tomorrow and the many are Toto here,
central Otago, small town and really looking forward to it.
Not looking forward to the cool. It will be rather frosty,
but yeah, just an amazing, amazing day. We'll come back
to ANZAC later, Chris. But I first want to look
at Australian Angry Business. Your Live Cattle Expert ban has
(09:33):
headed back to court. What's the latest with this?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
So this is We've referred to this a few times
and this is this battle that's been gone going on
over the fact that the live cattle were banned in
twenty twelve from being exported to Indonesia. Now it's caused
tremendous damage because now, of course the Indonesians are gun
(09:57):
shy about getting cattle, and they sought to get cattle
from India and from South America and buffalo from India
in fact, because they're not one hundred percent sure that
this thing won't happen again. So then Minister Labor Minister
Joe Ludwig just arbitrarily banned live cattle being export and
decimated that industry. It went to court in twenty twenty
(10:19):
and the Minister or the judge ruled that the minister
had acted illegally in what he did and awarded damages
to the lead claimant, but hasn't yet settled the damages
to all of the kind of class action claimants. They
made an offer of two hundred million between them and
that was rejected as being almost insulting them by the members.
(10:40):
Now the arguments in court with the farmers saying that
in fact, the damage that's been done has been ongoing
since twenty twelve. It's not just the six week period
of the ban, but it's actually carried on since then,
and hence they're claiming one point two billion dollars in
total damages. Obviously he won't get that. They're going to
get a lot more than two hundred millions, So the
(11:03):
judge is going to take probably some months to make
his final decision. They weren't able to agree, of course,
which is why it's in the court, and there's been
a lot of business about this. It was clearly a
sop to the Greens by the Labor Party. They saw
an excuse of being able to get brownie points with
the Greens who hate love of animal exports. But for
the Northern Territory it's critical because their alternative is shipping
(11:24):
the cattle one thousand kilometers south at a huge expense,
rather than putting them out through the ports and straight
into Indonesia. Of course, all of the avatars that they
go to and now are all controlled. The farmers are
responsible to make sure they follow animal welfare practices that
are appropriate, and anyone who've discovered that where the abatoire
(11:44):
has not followed those practices, in fact their particular license
is canceled. So they're very strictly controlled, much stricter than
any other country I think in the world. And that's
the silly part about it from animal welfare point of view,
that if we didn't supply it, they'd get it from
countries where I don't really give a hoot about animal
welfare or the condition of the animals or how they're
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slaughtered when they actually get to Indonesia. Ray.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We have that with pork here in New Zealand. We
input pork from countries with far lease animal health and
welfare standards than we have in New Zealand. Of course,
it's much cheaper to produce, and then our own producers
who are meeting those stringent health and welfare standards are
priced out of the market. It drives me crazing.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Chris ro The other thing to remember is that just
replacing it with beef is not the answer because they
don't have refrigeration a lot of these islands and villages
up there, so it's all hot meat markets. Plus there
are whole industries revolve around the local abatoise. You know,
there's one man who makes his living out of selling
all the hooks, another one sells all the horns, another
(12:46):
one sells all the guts, things that they wouldn't get
if they were just buying the beef. So it's much
bigger than just saying well, we can slaughter them here
in Australia and then just send them the meef, because
that's not going to work in the Indonesians. They are
going to get it from elsewhere, and of course then
the outcomes for those animals from elsewhere will be worse.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Chris Russell, our Australian correspondent, is with us. Chris, Wait there,
I've got a lot more I want to ask you,
but we need to take a break here on the country.
Back with more tales from Australia. Next. Welcome back to
the country. Our Australian correspondent, Chris Russell was with us
(13:28):
on the eve of the ANZAC Day. We've covered off
the live export, cattle band and Australia. Chris. Another issue
that you've got across the ditch there as feral cats.
We've had an issue with them here in New Zealand.
We had a school that actually had a feral cat
killing competition. It went viral. People were up in arms
about it. I had to go on UK talk television
(13:51):
to defend our country and say we're actually still a
nation of nice people. Who still help old ladies across
the road. We just also have the reality of feral
cats that are doing a lot of damage. You've got
some stats in Australia that are really eyebrow raising.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Well they are, and I think one of the problems
is in our very urbanized society is that all of
those lovely people who have their cats, who they love
and enjoy as pets, just forget the fact that these
animals are naturally hunters and unless you're going to cage
them in roofed cages in runs in your backyard, they
will get over that fence and they will go and
(14:28):
kill other native animals. And they're now this latest testing
that they've done at the University of New South Wales.
The lady called doctor Catherine Moseby said that DNA has
been swabbed from various radio transmitters fitted to areas they've
met to animals that they've been trying to reintroduce back
to conservation areas, and they determined that cats are responsible
(14:49):
for most of the deaths after release. In fact, they're
now saying that about two thirds of Australia's mammal extinctions
since European settlement occurred are due to cat that's not
such a big contribution from boxes as they previously thought.
So you know, they're talking billions of animals that are
slaughtered by cats every year, and some of these animals
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are getting huge. There's tomcats running around, they're capturing the
weigh over five kilos. They've got teeth on them like
small jaguars, and they're vicious killers. And of course these
ones have gone completely feral, but even the animals that
live at home during the day and smile sweetly and
purr in front of the fire by night, they become
stalkers and vicious killers of some of these native animals,
(15:34):
particularly the nocturnal ones. So they're asking the farmers for
another sixty million dollars from the government to increase the
level of baiting and try and have the institution of
a National Feral Cat Plan, and that's going to be
run by the Invasive Species Council because cats are increasingly
been seeing as probably the worst pests that we have
(15:55):
in terms of native animals in Australia.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right yeah, absolutely, And as I keep saying to you know,
if you're twenty kays from the nearest home, the cat
that's out there isn't the adjustice sun itself. It's out
there to try and cause a bit of hassle because
it's and it's nature. It's not the cat's spot. But
it is an issue and it needs to be addressed. Chris. Obviously,
tomorrow Anzac Day an amazing day for both Australians and
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New Zealanders to remember those who have gone before us
in the freedom we now enjoy. What does Anzac Day
mean to you?
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well, I think for me, it's the time when you
reflect on how lucky we are as a country and
you increasingly look around the world. And we're having an
election in a couple of weeks and we went and
voted in the pre polls yesterday. There's no soldiers standing
around with machine guns. It's a civil democracy process. You know.
(16:46):
This is a freedom. This is a country which has
been defended by people who have given up their very
existence in order that we can have that freedom. And
that's I think what Australians are celebrating. They're not celebrating war.
War is a terrible thing, but young people of course
increasingly are probably less inclined to want a fight or
have anything to do with that. But that doesn't stop
(17:07):
them respecting the people who defended our country against those
invaders years ago. And I particularly reminded of my uncle,
who was my grandmother's brother. He was just a farmer
from Claire in South Australia, a little town. I talked
to you from there last year, and we were traveling
through with the caravan. He immediately with his mates went
(17:29):
down at the age of eighteen, when soon as the
war started the First World War, signed up to go overseas,
was sent into the Battle of the Somme, and very quickly,
from having no military background, was awarded the Military Medal
because he's very good at cricket. He was sitting there
catching the bombs that the Germans were throwing from their
trenches into the Australian trenches. He was catching them and
(17:52):
throwing them back before they blew up. Sounds like an
inherently dangerous thing, nearly as dangerous as facing the Poms
in the ashes. Anyway. He won the Military Medal for that,
and then he was promoted in the field to lieutenant
and put in the intelligence score and went over the
Battle of Darrencourt, where because he spoke fluent German, he
was given the job of crawling under across dead no
(18:14):
man's land, underneath all the dead bodies, to try and
listen in to the German Orders group meetings at night
where the Germans were deciding what they're going to do
the next day, and then come back again across the
same territory and report to the British generals about what
was going to happen. And he was single handedly given
a very significant part of the responsibility for the victory
(18:36):
that they had at that particular battle, and for that
he won the Military Cross. The Military Cross could only
be awarded officers, Military Medal the ordinary soldiers, and so
he is one of only five Australians to be awarded
both the Military Medal and the Military Cross. Look where
as a family, of course very proud of him, and
yet he was never really proud of himself. I don't
remember him well. I was only ten when he died,
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but came back and went back to his farm, continued
to grow. Wheat died at the age of seventy nine
in nineteen sixty two and just became an ordinary citizen again,
citizen again. My grandmother said he never really spoke much
about his war experience. It was just something he did
with his mates, and yet we, I think today celebrate
people like him, the fact that they've given us these freedoms.
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They were prepared to drop what they were doing defend
us through the mother country, as they then had in England,
from being being taken over by countries who would have
run this place completely differently. And we should forever remember
that because that is a sacred, ultimate sacrifice these men made,
and I think anything we can do to recognize that,
(19:43):
go down and have our own memories round the cenotaph
on Anzac Day morning is a very special time.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Row absolutely, Chris Russell, our Australian correspondent, always love catching
up with you around that Anzac time, a very special
day for both of our countries. Appreciate your time and
all the best at that service tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
No worries, thanks for saying to you.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Thanks Chris. It is twenty eight away from one and
of course every family has their own connection with Anzac Day.
For me, my grandfather was in the Air Force, seconded
to England and this is one of my favorite personal
stories as well. He was based in Malta for a while,
shot down in the Mediterranean Sea, but actually fortunately rescued
(20:26):
by some of the Maltese people, and Magnana knew nothing
about it. She was just told he was lost at sea.
She was planning a memorial service for him when she
read in the paper that he was on a boat
arriving in Wellington the next day. Sadly he passed away.
I think my dad was only three months old through
injury sustained in the war. But at least they got
him back for a while, long enough to create my dad,
(20:48):
which is delightful for me. But yeah, just there'd be
so many stories like that. If you've got one you
want to share, five double O nine is my text number.
Also if you're wanting to head along to Field Days
this year, of course, it's on June eleven to fourteen,
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share any connection your family has with Anzac Day, feel
free too as well. Up next to the latest and
rural news are celebrity sports newsreader Miles hurell as a well.
Before the end of the hour, a will update you
a for you from Rachel Sharer, and we're going to
head to the Nakki catch up with Kevin Smiley Barrett
(21:56):
demand them to consider a first Ole Hotel Smokus cigarette
music not chosen by me today. This one is Miles
Harrel's son. I'm pointing firmly at him in his direction.
Everyone in studio. We've got Miles, We've got his family,
we've got his friends. Everyone's chosen one song and we
were a bit nervous about this choice. I'm absolving myself
(22:17):
from any responsibility for it, but hey, this apparently is
what the young kids are listening to these days. Sprinter,
I can't even remember who it's by. Michelle Watt, executive
producer for the Country, joins me in studio now as well.
We've got a cast of thousands today. Michelle, your family's
got a connection to the war as well. Good afternoon, afternoon.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yes, bro, My great uncle was actually buried in Italy
near Naples, so yeah, he died when he was quite young.
I think he was eighteen or nineteen. But I remember
my grandmother sharing me, sharing with me her letters, and
of course back then, if they died in battle, they
sent back all the letters returned to send it. But
I don't remember what the stamp said. Other people out
there might know, but they stamped them with a stamp
(22:58):
and it's quite blunt.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But the letters.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I remember her reading through them all and her showing
me pictures of them, and Dad still got the medals
at home, so it's quite special.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
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that at Younggrower dot co dot NZ. All right, I
think he might be ready, Michelle. You just rotate through
(24:43):
on that microphone. Here is our celebrity sports newsreader. It
is Miles Hurele.
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Recently crown New Zealand Superbike champion Mitch Reez is about
to fulfill a long held ambition to compete in the
Isle of Man. T. T. Breees is also competing beforehand
in two rounds of the British Superbike Championship as well
as the famed Northwestern two hundred in Northern Ireland. The
Perth NRL expansion team appears to be all systems go
after questions in recent months over its future. The Sidney
(25:16):
Morning Herald reports the Australian Rugby League Commission has signed
off on the deal after an increased offer from the
Western Australian Government and the coach of the Crusaders in
twenty twenty six won't be known until well after the
current Super Rugby Pacific season, Rob Penny, has turned things
around after a tremultuous first year in charge, where the
Crusaders failed to make the finals for the first time
(25:36):
in nearly a decade.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Fantastic, Thank you so much for that, Miles. I've got
rid of your son's sprinter. More of that six sixty
underneath you there? All right, Actually stick around miles because
we're going to one of your farmers next, an organic
farmer in coastal Tadanaki by the name of Smiley Barrett.
He's up next here on the country. So the lads go, well,
(26:05):
we're off to Tutanucky now on the country, coastal Tartanucky
in banks. There we find our farming ambassador, Kevin Smiley Barrett.
Good afternoon, Smiley. How's it going good.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Afternoon around Listen? Yeah, great day today, actually after at
of a suddly blast yesterday. But nice call, Chris morning.
But yeah, definitely ground some grassy and getting some week
done here.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That's good. And of course you're an organic farm so
you want to be growing as much grass on farm
as possible. A little bit more challenging.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
To get hold of, Yeah, you would definitely weaent there.
Last time we talked to you three weeks ago that
grow here. We just had some good rain. But yeah,
most guys help the south Kierancki you are still here,
could do it a week bit more, but here most
guys are quite ground some good grass here, which is
great and try and get some milk intomorrow.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yea very severe frost down here parts of south and
giving snapchats of that this morning. That all impaid the
growth rates, obviously. Have you had any frosts in the
Naka yet?
Speaker 6 (26:59):
No? Note there's not any snow on the mountain.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Actually I was going to put the sawt teams in
this morning. I didn't do that extually, but I'm right
up there. We've had no no cold rain as such,
you know, so the saw was not saturated, it's not cold,
so you will definitely grow some grass going into the winter.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yere Now in terms of drying off, what are you looking.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
At for that purding on towards the end of my year?
If we've dried a few lights off in a few
high sale accounts and coroners last, and the mint yesterday,
so catulus and goodness with the heats will be one
today since you know February with the dry so your
volumes down. But here ivan keep going. Well, the conditioners
are good year.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
We've got the head of your milk company, Males Harrald's
CEO of Fonterira and Studio co hosting the show today.
You were giving him a bit of stick in the
air break Smiley, well and good favor.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
With Fonterra and being an organic farmer, you get a
bit of a premium. What are you looking at this year?
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Sure was midpoint here left to back me up on
this exity, I think it was eleven eighties a mid point, yes,
so that's good. Yeah, I'm not so sure that the
volumes haven't hadn update for a while, but just been
a challenging. You had a good playout and you know
the two never go and intend of me with the
whip production here but some you know where it might
be the onteen to fifteen percent, which is which is
pretty good really, I know there's some some people have
dried off, you know, so that's fine and every years
(28:16):
divine and you take the good of the bed here.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So miles in terms of you know, organic versus conventional farmers,
what's the percentage or do you have a lot of
that around New Zealand supplying Fonterra.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
We limit it to the North Island at the moment anyway,
but it's also a relatively small percentage of our book
and we try and keep it that way because trying
to build a tension there our supply demand and it's
a relatively small market for us, predominantly in the US
at the moment. But you know it's growing for us,
but we try and cap the amount of growth that
we see every year as well.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, Smiley, are there many other organic farmers near you?
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Yes, there is. One of my neighbors is organic and
there is good fi year.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I might transition from dairy farming and to rugby's only
but whom we're in the ad Brack Smiley. Then I
realized the Highlanders are playing the Crusaders here in Duneda
and Saturday night seven oh five. You'll have a son
taking to the field, Scott Barrett.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Yeah, yes, gotting a doubt. I haven't seen the team
the team yet to the Suposa. It's not already year,
so he'll be I'll be looking to keep the form
going and go down. They're not up a one, but
Michael Derby down the other hands. As you know, they're
tough at home, so I'll have to play well to
beat them.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, it's always a good game down here and a
good crowd. It's a bit tough though when it's in
the middle of a long weekend but they'll have their
faithful supporters down there. How's Jordy getting on in Ireland? Smiley?
He can't be too far away from coming back home.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
But the bussessing the seasons is cranking in there. Actually, Yeah,
they had a game last week. There was a day
to remember off end for the USC, so so even
played that game. They rested them. But going forward, got
some big games coming up, so in the US and
the European Cup.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Is JORDI still having a lot of support from your
old friends from when you were farming in Ireland? Are
they still heading along to all the games and cheering
them on?
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Oh? They certainly, as the whole of Ireland. I don't
think I'd say they'll be seriously talking about customs over
and they won't be looking at the country that we
wanted to hang on to you. That's what's man. I mean,
he's got to come and improve himself by you're looking
out to you. So but when he gets and if
he's right, you ameally if they not be developed with
some super games, but he does, unto you be you'd
(30:28):
be to treat during year.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So wait and see situation, Kevin Smiley, Barrett, I know
you're in the tractor. You've just paused it to chat
to us, but hey, thanks so much on behalf of
myself and co host Myles Harral, thanks for your.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Time as a pleaser. Have a good day.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Thanks so much. Smiley, Thanks so much, Miles, you've been
a great co host. Myles Harrell, CEO of on Terra,
I'd better let you go join the roost of your
day in Dunedin. Have massively appreciated your company, yourself and
your entourage in the studio here. It's just been a
fun way to have a Thursday show. Thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Great thanks for juwin.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It my absolute pleasure. Look next week on the Country,
we are celebrating Kaiwalker clothing turning fifty and I should
have mentioned this with Smiley because his son Scott Barrett
has become the ambassador for Kaiwalker. It's two hundred seasons,
so fifty years, two hundred seasons of protecting Kiwi's from
(31:28):
the element. Listen in next week to be in to
win one of Kaiwalker's amazing storm Force jackets every day
next week. Jamie will have more details on how you
can win on Monday. But I know from my time
farming the Kiwalker jackets They were a kream Della cream.
They were the ones that didn't let you down when
it was raining. Those beautiful cuffs. Was it rubber around
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the cuffs? Stop the water going up them? Absolutely loved mine.
So you can win one each and every day. Next
week Kaiwalker's fiftieth anniversary right here on the Country. Up next,
we will wrap the show with Rachel Sharer with a
bit of a Wall update. Time for our monthly look
(32:10):
at the Will Market. Joining me now is Rachel Share,
a GM for Will and director of d at PGG
Rights in Limited. Good afternoon, Rache, Good afternoon, bro, Thank
you so much for chatting to me for this Will update.
I'm going to say it here while you're on holiday
and in the beautiful Central Otago. How's your day looking?
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Oh it's looking magnificent down here. I'm staying at Lowbourn
on a beautiful vineyard and it's a spectacular day down
here in Central being very fortunate.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Oh my goodness, I am jealous, mind you. Dunedin's pretty
good today as well. Hey, look how are things looking
in the Will market overall?
Speaker 7 (32:46):
Well, I have to say things have turned. The overall
sentiment across both islands across the last month has been
pretty cautious and I know everyone's saying it, but this
global volatility that's happening, more volatility on the currency front
means a lot more volatility in the wall markets. So
it's been quite a mixed bag of results. We're still
(33:07):
we're not back to the prices that we were at
last year, but we have this time last year. But
we are seeing some of the demand come off up
in the North Island, as with previous sales of very
good second year wall is still in strong demand, but
it's been a mixed bager result the down in the
(33:28):
South Island. We've also seen further deterioration for most types
and styles once again in the South Island. Unfortunately, Lamb's
will has been most affected. But now that the autumn
harvesting season is coming to an end, we're hoping that
the early season and better quality early shared prelim Shawn
rules will reflect a much better result for those in
(33:49):
the South Island. So unfortunately, ROH a bit of a
mixed bag this last month.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
We had a Damn Steele from Blue Decks Station on
the show yesterday and he was quite positive when he
was refair to will, right, she said, you know, it's
doubled in value, It's gone from nothing to not much.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
Yes, unfortunately, And wouldn't it be wonderful if the true
value of will would start to come through again?
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Absolutely absolutely, I must say. Every time I see on
social media or in the news people doing amazing things
with wool, I'm like, yes, more of this, keep it going, please?
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Taking a global look at things, how are things looking
around the worlds?
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Well, I have to say, with our two biggest markets
that are India and China being pretty differently treated by
the US and those tariffs, I think it's pretty likely
we're going to see a continuation of this recent trend
which is actually favoring the Indian markets. So I think
we could well see India overtake China as our biggest
market next season. And now uncertainly that's hanging over the
(34:50):
demand from China and that general nervousness that we're seeing
around what the impact is going to be on worldwide trading.
I think exports here in New Zealand are going to
take a pretty cautious approach to what they so Unfortunately,
I think we need to expect some ongoing volatility as
things shaped down and globally.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, and I think everyone's kind of getting used to
that at the moment. You know, what is the only
certainty is uncertainty. One of the highlights for me over
the last couple of weeks, Rachel was the announcement from
the government on the wool front. And you were actually
at Parliament for that, I am.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Sure was, and it was a real privilege to be
amongst other wool industry leaders there in the beehive when
the government announced that they are now directing their agencies
to use wool and fiber products in their buildings. That,
God has been a long time coming. I remember the
days when in my father's I can't repeat what he
said when wool carpets were no longer being used in
(35:45):
government agency. So it's been a really long time coming.
But look, it does suggest a renewed recognition for the
worst and also the value of strong wool when you
contemplate the value of wall products over their life cycles.
So it is just a start. We still need that
demand globally to really change the dial for those hard
working and passionate sheep farming communities that we have. But
(36:08):
it's a lamb mark moment in New Zealand Will and
one that I and the team are really proud to
have been been supporting.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Absolutely and I know one of my friends who had
that petition around wool Use and Parliament buildings is absolutely
delighted as well. Rachel Sharer GM for Will at PGG
Rights and you go and enjoy that stunning central Otago. David,
thanks so much for the update.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Thanks Roy, have a good one you two.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
We're having some great texts coming through on five double
oh nine people sharing their connection with the war. One
coming through to say, my maternal grandfather was shot and
wounded both at the Soalm and Passiondale. He survived and
recovered to come home, went on to marry my grandmother
and father ten children, and my gosh, they were busy.
My paternal great aunts was a nurse working on board
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the Marquette which was sunk in the aging and See
by the Germans. She survived, came home to continue her
nursing career as matron of a couple of hospitals. She
then married a policeman who became a publican. What a
fantastic career change there. Look obviously a big weekend for
a lot of people. Staying connected with mates and neighbors
is a great way to fill your cup and stay
(37:16):
farm strong. So if you know someone out there who's
doing it tough at the moment, why not give them
a ring, flick them a text, organize a catch up
over a bear or a coffee. This weekend for free
tips on how to have a listening conversation that helps
a mate. Head to farmstrong dot co dot mz. That's
farmstrong dot co dot mz to find out what works
for you and lock it. And thank you so much
(37:37):
to everyone who has managed to text Field days to
five double O nine this week our final double pass.
Congratulations to Luke Holmes in Tope war there, Michelle Watt,
Executive Producer of the Country, thanks so much for your
hard work all week, very quickly and zick day. What
does it have in store for you?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I hopefully go to dawn service tomorrow here in Tonedin.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, it was very warm here in Dunedin for dawn,
so this last year I'm off to ran fairly for
the ANZAC service tomorrow morning, looking forward to it. Thanks
so much for your company everyone, Take care. Jamie will
be back with you from Mundane next week.
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