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Jamie Mackay talks to Shane Jones, Stephen Jacobi, Farmer Tom Martin, Scott Barrett, and Christopher Luxon.
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Gooday and good morning New Zealand. My name's Jamie mcao.
Welcome to another edition of the Best of the Country,
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News Talks edbat by Rabobank. We're growing a better New Zealand. Together,
we've got a great show for you today. Kicking it
off with my favorite correspondent these days, Shane Jones, the
Mighty Martua, the Prince of the Province is talking about
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things or subjects as divers as Mike Hosking co governance,
the tightest budget in the decade and why the government
not taxing Bishop Brian, or why the government's not taxing
Bishop Brian and why are we spending so much of
our precious little money in Northam Prince of the Provinces.
To kick it off, we've got trade experts Stephen Jacoby
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caught up with him. Unsurprisingly, Trump's tariffs were at the
top of the menu. Our UK corresponded as Farmer Tom
Martin we chatted to earlier in the week. On the show,
we also chatted with Scott Barrett, All Blacks Captain and
Christopher Luxon. We've got all that to come up on
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Jones to kick it off.
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Speaker 3 (01:26):
Here's the Prince of the Province of Shane Jones, Martua,
Shane and Shane. You've got to do me a favor.
Hoskin keeps cutting my lunch. I arranged an interview with
you a day or so ago. This morning I hear you.
First thing on Hoskin, have you no shame well?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I and my leader, Winston Peters, have a deep level
of affection for your listenership and you in particular. However,
one third of the country's population do live in Auckland
and a firswag them. Do listen to Mike Hoskins, So
you know needs must.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
What is it about you New Zealand? First, God, you
all call Hosking Hoskings.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, it could be a dialectoral thing from us from
the north, too much pooh and power and Dali red wine.
I can't fully account for that.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Okay, Now, the reason you were talking to Mike Hoskins
this morning was about co governance and the white tacker is.
I thought co governance was sort of so twenty twenty
three we were past that.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we've moved beyond the co governance
fiesco elevated by n Naya Mahute when she stuck away
to the un and bore all sorts of nefurious things
back into the New Zealand political system.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
We're not having any more of that.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
But the Super City Council, dominated by labor identities, they
have tried to sneak it through. Unfortunately for them. I
was onto it. No disrespect to the local huppoo, but look,
we're not having tiny huppoo dislodge the tenets of democracy
and the twenty seven thousand hectares on the outskirts of
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Auckland is a duel belonging to all Aucklanders. Now, I
don't want to deny any tramper, any runner, any hiker,
and there needs to be some more hunters in Therecas
there's a whole lot of feral pigs running around spreading
carry dibec disease. But I do not want to see
any hutton overplaying their hand. They're entitled to look after
historic sites and celebrate that part of their heritage hangy
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pits and midden heaps and other such things, but not
to topple democracy.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Hey, Shane, you realize that the hunters in the white
tackeries and runners along the tracks could end in tears.
I just thought i'd remind you of that one. Hey.
Pre budget speech Nicola Willis this morning, we're cutting billions
off our operating spending. She's described that as the tightest
budget in a decade. And apparently these numbers that she's
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come up with were pre the Trump tariffs. So how
bad of a situation are we in?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well? I think Winston was absolutely correct what he said,
let's not overreact as to where the final results emerge.
In respect of our trading relationship with America, the last
shot has not been fired in that regard. But in
terms of our own economy, sadly, the size of the
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state has expanded and our operational burden has grown since COVID,
and we've got to go for growth, which is why
naturally I'm one of the budget ministers working with Nicholer.
She has exclusive authority to talk about the budget. But
we also need to bear in mind those of us
that come from the primary sector, from the regions, that
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without economic growth, without the regional powerhouses generating export revenue,
we are not going to have the surplus to pay
for these fanciful fairy dreams called climate change.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Shane Jones, the Prince of the province is with us.
A hot topic on this show or yesterday anyhow, was
dairy conversions. Doesney Zealand first support more dairy conversions?
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Hell, yeah, yeah, of course we do.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
What about the environment, Shane.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Well, you should trust in science and technology. Science and
technology means that farming is getting smarter, just as coal
mining is getting more sophisticated, just as the gold mining
in Otago's going to generate. Well stop all is catastrovization
and exaggerating the downsides of economic growth. Without growth, without
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export revenue, where is the surplus going to come from
to build the Dunedin Hospital.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I know where you could get some tax revenue, Shane.
This is where you say where Jamie, and where you
could get somemmers from Destiny Church, you could tax them
or sanitarium.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, there are a variety of people who have that
privileged status. I think the most prominent of all is
the Leta who tribe down on the South Island. And
then there are various religious groups. But then a lot
of those groups do you know a lot of good
For example, the ang Church as the Melanesian Trust, and
they do a tremendous amount of positive things in that
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part of the Pacific. So, just just as the Minister
of Finance, Nicola has said, let's take our time and
get it right, because tax can be very obscure and
very tricky, naturally, I support that more cautious approach that
she's initiated.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Here's the question for you, because you're a parochial Northlander,
a bit like Winston. To be perfectly honest, are you
guys getting sweetheart deals for your home region? This Brian
Durwin thing one dollar in every ten and infrastructure spend
over the next decade or so will be on that road.
Why don't we just build a road around the side
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of the Brindeans.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
No, the road that you're referring to is going to
stretch from Warkworth up to far At eight. Now we
have a subtropical temperate climate. There's about one hundred and
ninety five thousand of us who call home and the
farm North and it's on the outskirts of Auckland. We've
got the largest deep sea port in the country and
we need to open up that part of New Zealand
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to more investment, more residential development so people can enjoy
the climate in the north and stop exaggerating that everything
that we're going to develop is never ever going to
generate upside or revenue. This is what's wrong with the
New Zealand. Rather than seeing investments as a positive nation
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building exercise was sort of reduced to an abacus.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I'm just looking out for the blind frogs and the
skinks and the lezards.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Now we're not having any more deaification, any more elevation
in some scriptural way of these critics and the bush
overwhelming economic growth or the advancement of our people. We
should respect the owls, the frogs, the swans. Actually, when
I was a kid, I think they used to cut
the breast of the swan out munch away on it.
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I didn't care for it much. They eat too many
flounders where I come from anyway, Hey.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Shane Jones, thanks very much for your time on the Country.
Always entertaining. And next time mister Hoskins asks for an interview,
tell him you've already been booked for the country.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Okay, country first, Hoskins second, Bye bye.
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Let's welcome on to the show trade experts, Stephen Jacobi.
He is this month's Global Markets Insight interview. And Stephen,
where do we start with Trump's tariffs? We all knew
they were coming, would be fair to say, but I
don't think any of us thought they would be this bad.
What do you say, you're an expert in the field.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Well, I think that's a right, Jamie. We didn't actually
forced this level of uncertainty and complexity in the role
out of you know, Trump's paris. I mean, we knew
these were coming, I guess after he was elected. He'd
spoken about it so often, But who could have foreseen
the disruption that was going to be to be caused
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by all of this, not just the imposition of tariffs,
which is bad enough, but the constant changes and re evaluations,
and that is what is really hard to business.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Has some of the damage that's been done thus far irreparable.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Well, I you know, it would be a brave person
to say that this is the last word on trade.
I mean, who knows if the president might change his
mind or that the future administration might head off in
another direction. But I think most common greators these days
are saying this actually marks a fundamental change in the
global system. It's changed in the global trade landscape. I mean,
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this rising protectionism isn't exactly new. It didn't just come
from the United States. It's been around for a number
of years now. But certainly the president has turned into
something of an art form. I don't know if it
was to into some earlier time, but probably not. I
would say, a we're going to have to get used
to a different way of interacting on the global stage.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
We haven't really learned from history, and correct me if
I get the name wrong here, but it was something
like the Smoot Hawley tariffs that sort of were one
of the reasons that we had the Great Depression in
the early nineteen thirties.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, well that's absolutely right, and the Smooth Hawley tariff
is actually the model. These ones are actually higher, would
you believe, And Smooth Hawley wasn't accompanied by all of this,
you know, back and forth and changing your mind and
whatever is. But what difference I would say that Jamie,
is that the world is a different place. You know,
we've heard thirty years of trade integration. It's a lot
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more integrated than it was back then. And all countries
in New Zealand in particular, I would argue, do have
options other than the United States. And I guess we're
going to see all of that come to fruition.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Well, one of the big issues is obviously not only
the tariffs into the US, but the collateral much calls
to other economies around the world. And we look at
China where he's currently got what one hundred and forty
five percent terror although it seems to change daily, but
this is not going to do the Chinese economy any good.
They are our largest trading partner. Admittedly the US is
now our second largest trading partner. But it's just no
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matter which way you slice and dice, and it's just
bad news for a trading country like New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah, I'm afraid that is the case. And you know,
I think the relationship with China obviously becomes even more
important to us in the current situation. But still mind
though that the shield of a Chinese exports to the
United States is the proportion of their total trade is
not that high, and so you know, they have a
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very large economy to probably withstand some of the shops.
But no doubt the economy has been, you know, in
a bit of trouble recently, has been slow to file
after the pandemic. That certainly won't help. And we have
the problem with his additional tariff in the United States.
But as you say, we have the secondary and even
tertiary effects on other markets as a result of trade diversion.
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And again this adds to the complexity of the environment
in which we're operating.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Well, let's try and make some lemonade out of these lemons.
Could this potentially present opportunity for New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Well that jimmy business knows where in times of crisis
there is risk, but there is also opportunity. I mean,
the reality is and in a number of other markets
we're going to face probably less US competition for some
of our agricultural products because of the tariffs retaliatory tariffs
that others are going to put on them. And you know,
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the one example that can be pointed to is that
there's a great market for wine and Canada now opening
up as Canada excuse me, retaliates against the United States.
So you know, there are opportunities, without doubt, and I
think it's very important we don't you know, panic can
over dramatize. On the other hand, I don't think we should,
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you know, undercook all of this. It'll be a mix
of risk and opportunity going forward. But again I say
in New Zealand is not without options. We have good FDAs,
we have very strong partners around the world, and that
is going to stand us in good speed, in good spead,
and I think probably we will do our best weather
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the storm of these additional towers in the United States
to the extent that we're able to.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Let's just finish on the Paris Climate Accord. What do
you make of Trump pulling out? And as Winston and
David Seymour are suggesting, now, should we be following suit?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Well, Plump pulled out last time and He's done it again.
Is not the end of American action to address climate change.
Most of this is in the hands of the business
community now in the United States, in state governments, and
there's going to be no turning back on sustainability goals.
The world is as long moved past this, and I
think it would be most unwise for New Zealand to
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do anything similar. Frankly. I mean, you know, we have
a big opportunity here to position ourselves as the sustainable alternative,
and we've had companies investing, you know, deeply in this,
you know, for some years now. If we can do
that satisfactually and stay on the right side of these
arguments and avoid any you know, maybe trade protections that
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arises in you know, disguised form, you know, we will
do very well. And that is the bigger picture we
have to keep, you know in mind. Sustainability is at
the heart of our offer to international markets, and we
don't want to be mucking around by, you know, talking
about what joins from the Paris Agreement. I think that
is really unwise.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Indeed, Stephen Chakobe, trade expert, thanks for some of your
wisdom today on the country. Have really enjoyed chatting.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Thanks Jamie.
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Farming correspondent, Farmer Tom Martin, social media influencer. For what
it's worth, Tom, your prime Minister Sekeir Starmer appears to
me to be a bit of a planker, Can I
say that without offending you? And he's certainly cocked things
up on the home front, especially with farmers, But on
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the world stage he seems to be making an impression.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
He's yeah, I mean he's is he good? From far?
Far from good? Maybe for a range of ten thousand miles,
he looks pretty good. And I would say internationally, to
give him his credit, he seems to be doing a
good job of sitting between the US and the EU
and seemingly coordinating this coalition of the willing to move
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things forward in Ukraine. But yeah, back home there's a
lot of terrible tough things going on. But no, internationally,
let's give him his due. He's certainly coming out pretty
well at the moment.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
We look at things on the home Front and the UK.
You've got your local elections coming up on Thursday, your time,
and you're suggesting this could result in a bloody nose
for Labor and the Reform Party might make some gains. What,
if anything, does that mean for UK farmers.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Well, it's a great question. This is I mean, these
are kind of early midterm elections. They are it's the
time when typically the incumbent government loses a load of
seats due to a kind of protest at national policy.
But I think this first what is it ten months
for the Labor Party has been particularly challenging and unless
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you're a train driver or possibly a junior doctor, who
were both given pretty fantastic pay rises early on in
the term, it's struggled. You'd struggle to find people who
are happy with the way we're being governed at the moment.
So I think there'll be a lot of people looking
to vote for other parties. Now. I think there's a
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fair few people who are still probably a bit disappointed
with the fourteen years of Conservatives. Do they want to
vote for Labor, No, they don't. Do they want to
the Conservatives?
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Now?
Speaker 6 (17:07):
They don't. You know, if you want to go right.
Across the left you've got the Green Party, you've got
the Liberals doing a pretty good job somewhere in the middle.
But on the right is the Reform Party and they
are gathering a huge, huge amount of votes. I think
the latest poll shows that if there was an election today,
on the majority of votes, we would have a Prime
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Minister called Nigel Ferrat who's the head of the Reform Party.
So it's a real time of shake up. I mean globally,
but also.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Here in the UK the labor government, Sakeir Starmer, not
doing much for farmers. Is Mother nature playing ball? You're
into your spring in the northern hemisphere.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Well, I found very heavy clay, so we haven't had
a lot of rain in a fairly long time. But
we can handle that. There will be farmers on the
lighter soils, on the pizzols that are that are really
looking for a drop of rain. And considering we spent
the whole of our winter or I did certainly complaining
about how it was, we're very quickly to start mentioning
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the d word of drought and people being grateful for
for a drop of reign. Jamie, I realized I didn't
fully answer your previous question, what would the advance of
reform do to UK farming, and Reform are certainly looking at, uh,
shaking things up. They are absolutely saying that they are
pro farming, but they're also pro doing a lot of
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international deals there and they they're they're very very against
kind of red tape, very against government interference and and
and that would possibly mean bringing in food produced to
lower standards. So it's it's still it would still be
a concerning time for farmers. But if they would reverse
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some of the crazy things that the current government have done,
that that could be a good thing. But sorry, that's
where we are. Just just realized I hadn't quite answered
your question.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Well not Nigel Faraj is one of the great political survivors.
But going back to on the farm, you said it's
a bit dry. That's one part of the equation with
what about your commodity prices?
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah, a bit of a shocker. I was talking to
one of the grain traders recently and he said the
only crop that was really doing well for us in
terms of prices is canola, and for us this year
that's the one crop we haven't we haven't got in
the ground. So yeah, prices are pretty soft here, and
you know, for we'd need two hundred pounds spurling a
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ton really and you're looking at one seventy, so you're
looking at a fifteen percent discount on that, and that's
really going to cause a lot a lot of farmers
to be struggling at a time when a lot of
the other government decisions, a lot of the other meteorological
impacts are causing and some issues. It's a really challenging
time in UK farming. And I feel like I have
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been saying this a bit recently. I don't want to
be a broken record in it, but yeah, there's a
fair few challenges.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Good job you've got a good off farm and come
with your social media influencing Tom.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
That would be very nice, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
The end of conversation. Now, yesterday your time Sunday in
the UK was the London Marathon. I was looking for
you on the telly or not on the telly, I
was watching it online. I was looking for you amongst
the hordes something like fifty thousand plus people running the
London Marathon. Unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Yeah, the biggest ever. I think it was the biggest
ever amount of finishers in any marathon, so it's a
remarkable event. I haven't run it this millennia. I ran
in nineteen ninety eight, but it is a tremendous event.
There are actually a lot of farmers running for farming
and countryside charities. A big shout out to my friend
Charles Anion who actually ran the Manster Marathon, which I
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think it was the same day for the farm Community Network.
So lots of great charities being being demonstrated, a lot
of money raised for good causes, and an amazing spectacle
of various different people in costumes and all kinds of
things running around the streets to London. It's always an
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amazing day.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I did it in two thousand and six and I
was getting a bit tired. Once I crossed over the
Tower Bridge, which is just shy of halfway, and I
ran into an inverted piece of pizza and he was
He said, are you getting a bit tired luved? I said, yeah,
I am. I've done all the training. I don't know
why I'm tired. Only halfway through he said, stick with me,
and I ran with the piece of pizza for about
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two k's and he says, you'll be right now when
he took off into the future or in front of me.
Amazing the dress ups and the event that is the
London Marathon. Anyhow, Tom, Hey, thanks for some of your
time and good luck giving the Labor government a message
with those local elections on Thursday. Your time.
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Captain Scott Barrett. Scott, thanks for some of your time.
I realized you're a busy man. Am I still correct
in calling you the All Blacks Captain? Has Raiser confirmed
the job for twenty five Mm?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
I think yeah, I guess we assume that still captain. Yeah,
they're going to keep playing well for the Crusaders and
hopefully that doesn't change. So yeah, it's yeah, I'd still
like to have the job, and that's what my focus
at the moment is to keep playing well for the
Crusaders and ye turn up in July ready to go
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for the All works.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Well, I'm sure you will be the All Blacks Captain. Look,
you Crusaders an i'mond Highlander's territory here, Scott, you're getting
annoyingly good again. It was better last year when you
were useless. And I say, I say that somewhat facetiously,
but the Crusaders are looking menacingly menacing.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Yeah, I think we the last three or four games
has sort of you built a bit of confidence within
the team and certainly the team without the ball at
the moment. Yeah, defense has been pretty strong, so I
think that's pleasing to see we've made shifts from last year.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You certainly have all right. Hey, yeah, I note that
you've got a share in a dairy farm, not on
your on your mum and dad's farm, Robin and Smiley.
They've got like a picture perfect farm there on coastal Taranaki.
You've got one up the road. Do you ever get
your hands dirty these days? Or do you get the
opportunity in the time to get your hands dirty wearing
your kaiwaka parker on the farm.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I haven't had too many opportunities.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
We had a working.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Bee there late last year and you got out there
marked in for a day or two, but time's pretty
limited and being based down in christ Church. Yeah, it
is nice to have an interest in the farm on
the coast and Taranaki, and it's good to keep the
mind ticking over outside of rugby as well. So I've
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certainly enjoyed that the last last season, and it was
looking like a great season for us until about January
when Yeah, the man upstairs turned the tap off the
irrigator and she tried up pretty quickly. But I think
arm with bounce and deck.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
After a bit of rain recently, well.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Your brother's Bowden and Geordie have probably got a bit
of spare cash splashing about. Are they involved with you?
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Jordie is he's he's interested in agriculture. Body, I think
he's not in this.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Farm with us.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
He's got a few other things going on. And you know,
it's good to be in partnership with the with Jordy
and learn about, you know, operating dairy farm. It's been
a great experience so far.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Were you born and raised on one all eight of
you obviously, but you went down to Lincoln UNI and
studied agriculture. So is that going to be your ultimate
future in that industry once you've retired from rugby?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I'm talking Scott, Yeah, potentially.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
I talked to the wife a little bit around you know,
going into the dairying, and I think it's probably one
of those things you don't know if you'd unless you
give it a go. So yeah, certainly there might be
an option to you know, just give it a crack
for a couple of years and see if it's for us,
But until then, I'll keep chasing the rugby by around
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the foody field.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
How did you get the job as the brand ambassador
for Kywalker.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Yeah, I've got an agent who put me in touch
with the team up there and the Far North, and yeah,
we've sort of got talking. And they are such a
great fit in a local New Zealand company that's been
around for you know a few decades, and you know,
they make great kid and I think the fit was
(27:44):
quite right. And then from a dairy farm, they were
keen to have me on board.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah, well they've been or they're celebrating two hundred seasons.
I fifty years of farming and making the jackets. You're
nowhere near that with your rugby career, but you must
be getting close to twenty years eighty seasons, are you.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Yeah, so I think I'm thirty one now and I've
been playing since you know, six or seven. Yeah, so
it's not quite two hundred seasons, but it's certainly get
not there.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Scott Barrett. Look, thank you very much for some of
your time today on the country. It's great to have
the son of because we enjoy yarning to your old
man Smiley, he's a bit of a character and a
very good farmer. I might add two in the Taranaki region. Look,
do you know what the game of footy I'm mostly
looking forward to this year, and no doubt you guys
will be as well, because Eden Park is your fortress.
(28:38):
You're playing the South African rugby side, arguably the best
team in the world at the moment. At Eden Park,
you guys haven't lost there since nineteen ninety four. That's
a hell of a lot of seasons. How good is
that game going to be?
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Yeah, I think it's going to be a huge game.
I was seen I guess the South Africans over the past,
you know, six or seven years, I've been right up
the top and you know they'll love to come down
and break that record. So yeah, it certainly you know,
got the highlighter around it as a game of the year.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Scott Barrett, a Kai Walker clothing ambassador or brand ambassador.
Thank you very much for your time today on the country.
Appreciate it. Enjoy your weekend off. I know the Crusaders
have got to buy really looking forward to your next
game on May the tenth against the Chiefs. It'll be
a cracker as well. Top of the table, see.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
You later, see you, thanks, Jammy.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
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Speaker 3 (29:43):
Wednesdays on the Country, the Prime Minister kicks off the
show and it's a bit of a bugger if you
don't mind me saying, Christopher Luxon, when you're doing my
homework for me, you sent me a text last night
about Chinese milk production. I had no idea.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
Yeah, look, I just thought it was interesting one of
them looking through my reading and just that are saying
that actually Chinese local domestic milk production will be down
this year, and obviously that means I've got a huge
more demand for product from New Zealand and other places
as well. So I mean, look, I mean we've been
through a tough time. We're coming out of a recession.
The economy is now growing, which is good. But what's
powering us through as agriculture as always, and when you
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look at what the outlook is for dairy sailing. When
you took to Nason guy and the red Meat guys
are feeling really positive about the year ahead and then
you know right there, you know, you've got the better
wall price than I've had probably in the last eight years.
Still a challenge in war obviously, but better than it
has been.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
So.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Yeah, yet again agriculture leading us through, which is why
it's the back bone of the economy and why I
want to keep powering it up.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, Chinese milk production for the first time in seven
years has reduced down two point eight percent for twenty
twenty four, forecast to decline further and twenty twenty five.
Courtesy of Christopher Luxon. Okay, dairy conversions have been a
hot topic on the show this week. Are they now
well and truly back on the table as one of
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the ways can double our exports within a decade?
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Look, I mean we want we want dairy pumping, you know,
we really do, and we actually want all the primary
industries to be growing and to innovate. And I think
when you look at what's happening in dairy, we can
certainly be more productive. We're current stock numbers, and we're
looking at ways, as you know, to sort of be
much more permissious and and productive with the way we
get land usee using across the system. As well. So look,
(31:25):
I mean the bottom line for us is we just
want growth. I mean, we're ruthlessly obsessed on it. We
want dairy growing strongly. It's good to see all the
value added technology that's coming into dairy that's leading to
those premium prices because there's good innovation of value add
taking place, which is really good. But we also, Jamie,
I mean for the farmers listening, we've also had really
good growth in our services exports as well. So you know,
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if you look at the UK, for example, where I
was this last week, our exports are total exports are
up twenty one percent and it's a sort of a
good mix of goods and services, and actually our technology
companies are actually selling well. We're obviously getting good inbound
growth on tourism. I think tourism value was up sixty percent.
Of by the numbers we're up just ten percent, so
we're getting the right kind of people coming in and
(32:09):
spending money again in the economy. So all of that's positive.
You know, we've got certainly some challenging times ahead with
the global trade environment, in tariff environment, but it's all
about our relative competitiveness compared to other countries. And can
we outcompete them? And yes we can.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Nichola will escape her pre budget speech yesterday. This one's
going to be the tightest budget in a decade, billions
cut from operating spending. Are we on the verge of
becoming a banana republic? Because I can tell you some
ways you could easily save some money. Prime Minister, you've
probably heard all this before. How about the winter energy
payment to people like me?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (32:47):
Well, firstly, i'd just say, look, absolutely not. We're not
becoming a banana republic. This is a country with a
huge potential and a great potential and great future ahead
of it. But you know what Nicholas acknowledging is that
things aren't easy for New Zealand and for the world.
We've got a lot of instability out there and uncertainty
out there. But having said that, our focus for our
budget's going to be all about economic growth and that
(33:08):
means yep, we're overseeing a very steady economic recovery. We've
got an export lead growth, you know, starting to strengthen.
We've got business confidence rising. Are the primary sectors starting
to get on song?
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
But hang on, the Prime Minister, you haven't answered my question.
You're paying Winston Peters a winter energy payment. He doesn't
need it.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
Jamie mcaire peys, Yes, yeah, well I am more than
welcome to give it away my friends.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, I can give it away, but it would be
better staying in the government coffers. See the other one
they're throwing out there, and this is a really interesting one,
is the Key We Savor subsidy. This is big money.
This is one point one billion the winter energy payments,
like half a billion. But you know, I've had mixed
feelings on this one because I think Key We Save
it is a magnificent thing and anything that encourages Key
(33:53):
We's to save. Are you getting your five hundred and
twenty one bucks each year if you put in just
over one thousand should be encourage.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Look, there's we'll have to get. And you know, we're
obviously working pretty closer to the budget now, and we
have to be careful about what we can say before
that budget's announced.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
But rest assured.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
When we're making we're doing we're getting our books in order,
and what we're doing is making sure we're reprioritizing the
spending to get it in the right places, and therefore
that does mean yes, that some agencies and government departments
are going to have to manage really tightly from the
budgets that they've got. That's good, they've got to make
sure they swept that money harder and get better value
for money from that spent, which is what you do
in a business, It's what you do with your family finances,
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what we expect the government agencies to be doing.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
You realize where the most important saving could come from,
don't you? Age of eligibility for national souper. I don't
want to mention Winston yet again, but if he wasn't
drawing breath or in Parliament, you and Seymour would move
this to sixty seven. That would save us a fortune.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
Yeah, look, definitely very much big part of our policy
when we think that's a good idea. We think, you know,
the population I think is aging. Average age goes up
about a year and a half every ten years across
New Zealand. That's why we've always advocated we should listen
to the retirement age. But as you know, we're in
coalition government and that's not something that needs on first supports,
So feel free to talk to oncon about it.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Tail wagging the dog now we've got to pality right. Yeah, Okay,
I accept that we got our pound of flesh well
and truly out of you on your latest offshore trip,
talking trade and defense with Secure Starmer, the Gallipoli Dawn Service,
and then the Pope's funeral. I don't want to call
it an added bonus, but it was good that you
were able to be there.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
Look, it was a big week last week. I mean,
I was really pleased with the trip to the UK
in particular. I think, you know, we've had a lot
of historical ties to the UK. Obviously similar value, similar history,
similar outlook on the world, but now with defense and
what we want to do together in that space, along
with the FTA and how we build more meat onto
the bones of that. You know, when you see our
(35:51):
exports as I set up twenty one percent to the UK,
our guys are understanding the opportunities they are in that market,
and it's a good market for us to be invested in.
So that now gives us things to feed into a
future relationship. Defense and trade. Gallipoli was pretty powerful, Jamie.
I mean to go there on the Dawn Service and
give that speech and then be able to do some do.
(36:12):
Another speech at Chunnick Bear at the top of the
hell where we lost a huge amount of troops was
pretty sobering. It was sobering because just the day before
I'd been down meeting probably one hundred and fifty Ukrainian
soldiers and they were guys that were chefs and plumbers
that had been out fighting in Ukraine, had come across
to the UK to be trained by New Zealand and
(36:32):
British troops. We've trained fifty four thousand Ukrainian soldiers and
they were going back into warfare in a matter of days.
They were going to be back at the front lines
again in the trenches. And there they are in Ukraine
and trench warfare with drones, and one hundred and ten
years ago we were at Gallipoli and trenches as well.
And then the Pope's funeral, I mean pretty great man.
I mean a massive determination for his cause and his church,
(36:54):
but also massive amounts of personal humility and that's always
what I admire and good leaders. And there was a
chance as justin mingle with probably fifteen or so other
leaders that I got to chat with and I'm informally
as well, which was great.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Christopher Luxon, thanks for your time. Appreciate it.
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Speaker 1 (38:00):
The gods, she.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Can feeling angel sliding up to me.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
One town.
Speaker 9 (38:07):
It's very like another. When your head's down over your pieces. Brother,
it's it's looking at the barn, looking at the you
see one crowded, looked at, get tired. You're talking to
a tourist.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Those every moves among the purists.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
I get my kids above the waistline sunshine.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
One man tweeting despair and mixed dorsy.
Speaker 9 (38:44):
If one had him back the tough gast.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Be careful with your completly. You feel the hair woo
walking next to.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
Me, because I am it's gonna be the witness in
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the ultimate test.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Of cerebral fitness.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
This gripts me more than what a muddy or river
or reclining fuddher. Thank God, I'm only watching the game,
controlling it. I don't see you guys rating the kind
of mate I'm contemplating. I'll let you watch. I would
invite you, but the Queen's we use would not excite you.
So we better go back to your bars, your temples,
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your massage parlors.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Stand the temples, but safety.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
You'll find God, and then they go.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Little history.
Speaker 9 (40:02):
I can feel an angel slid in the two. Glide
in the back up makes a fine man humble. Not
much between despair and nextucye, but gliding back.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Up in the top guy's tumble can be careful with
your compundy.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
Gooday and good morning New Zealand. My name's Jamie mcao.
Welcome to another edition of the Best of the Country,
brought to you each and every Saturday morning here on
News Talks edbat by Rabobank. We're growing a better New Zealand. Together,
we've got a great show for you today. Kicking it
off with my favorite correspondent these days, Shane Jones, the
Mighty Martua, the Prince of the Province is talking about
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things or subjects as divers as Mike Hosking co governance,
the tightest budget in the decade and why the government
not taxing Bishop Brian, or why the government's not taxing
Bishop Brian and why are we spending so much of
our precious little money in Northam Prince of the Provinces.
To kick it off, we've got trade experts Stephen Jacoby
(00:51):
caught up with him. Unsurprisingly, Trump's tariffs were at the
top of the menu. Our UK corresponded as Farmer Tom
Martin we chatted to earlier in the week. On the show,
we also chatted with Scott Barrett, All Blacks Captain and
Christopher Luxon. We've got all that to come up on
the Best of the Country. It is brought to you
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by Rabobank. We're growing a better New Zealand together Shane
Jones to kick it off.
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Speaker 3 (01:26):
Here's the Prince of the Province of Shane Jones, Martua,
Shane and Shane. You've got to do me a favor.
Hoskin keeps cutting my lunch. I arranged an interview with
you a day or so ago. This morning I hear you.
First thing on Hoskin, have you no shame well?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I and my leader, Winston Peters, have a deep level
of affection for your listenership and you in particular. However,
one third of the country's population do live in Auckland
and a firswag them. Do listen to Mike Hoskins, So
you know needs must.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
What is it about you New Zealand? First, God, you
all call Hosking Hoskings.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, it could be a dialectoral thing from us from
the north, too much pooh and power and Dali red wine.
I can't fully account for that.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Okay, Now, the reason you were talking to Mike Hoskins
this morning was about co governance and the white tacker is.
I thought co governance was sort of so twenty twenty
three we were past that.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we've moved beyond the co governance
fiesco elevated by n Naya Mahute when she stuck away
to the un and bore all sorts of nefurious things
back into the New Zealand political system.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
We're not having any more of that.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
But the Super City Council, dominated by labor identities, they
have tried to sneak it through. Unfortunately for them. I
was onto it. No disrespect to the local huppoo, but look,
we're not having tiny huppoo dislodge the tenets of democracy
and the twenty seven thousand hectares on the outskirts of
(02:58):
Auckland is a duel belonging to all Aucklanders. Now, I
don't want to deny any tramper, any runner, any hiker,
and there needs to be some more hunters in Therecas
there's a whole lot of feral pigs running around spreading
carry dibec disease. But I do not want to see
any hutton overplaying their hand. They're entitled to look after
historic sites and celebrate that part of their heritage hangy
(03:22):
pits and midden heaps and other such things, but not
to topple democracy.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Hey, Shane, you realize that the hunters in the white
tackeries and runners along the tracks could end in tears.
I just thought i'd remind you of that one. Hey.
Pre budget speech Nicola Willis this morning, we're cutting billions
off our operating spending. She's described that as the tightest
budget in a decade. And apparently these numbers that she's
(03:47):
come up with were pre the Trump tariffs. So how
bad of a situation are we in?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well? I think Winston was absolutely correct what he said,
let's not overreact as to where the final results emerge.
In respect of our trading relationship with America, the last
shot has not been fired in that regard. But in
terms of our own economy, sadly, the size of the
(04:15):
state has expanded and our operational burden has grown since COVID,
and we've got to go for growth, which is why
naturally I'm one of the budget ministers working with Nicholer.
She has exclusive authority to talk about the budget. But
we also need to bear in mind those of us
that come from the primary sector, from the regions, that
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without economic growth, without the regional powerhouses generating export revenue,
we are not going to have the surplus to pay
for these fanciful fairy dreams called climate change.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Shane Jones, the Prince of the province is with us.
A hot topic on this show or yesterday anyhow, was
dairy conversions. Doesney Zealand first support more dairy conversions?
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Hell, yeah, yeah, of course we do.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
What about the environment, Shane.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Well, you should trust in science and technology. Science and
technology means that farming is getting smarter, just as coal
mining is getting more sophisticated, just as the gold mining
in Otago's going to generate. Well stop all is catastrovization
and exaggerating the downsides of economic growth. Without growth, without
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export revenue, where is the surplus going to come from
to build the Dunedin Hospital.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I know where you could get some tax revenue, Shane.
This is where you say where Jamie, and where you
could get somemmers from Destiny Church, you could tax them
or sanitarium.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, there are a variety of people who have that
privileged status. I think the most prominent of all is
the Leta who tribe down on the South Island. And
then there are various religious groups. But then a lot
of those groups do you know a lot of good
For example, the ang Church as the Melanesian Trust, and
they do a tremendous amount of positive things in that
(06:05):
part of the Pacific. So, just just as the Minister
of Finance, Nicola has said, let's take our time and
get it right, because tax can be very obscure and
very tricky, naturally, I support that more cautious approach that
she's initiated.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Here's the question for you, because you're a parochial Northlander,
a bit like Winston. To be perfectly honest, are you
guys getting sweetheart deals for your home region? This Brian
Durwin thing one dollar in every ten and infrastructure spend
over the next decade or so will be on that road.
Why don't we just build a road around the side
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of the Brindeans.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
No, the road that you're referring to is going to
stretch from Warkworth up to far At eight. Now we
have a subtropical temperate climate. There's about one hundred and
ninety five thousand of us who call home and the
farm North and it's on the outskirts of Auckland. We've
got the largest deep sea port in the country and
we need to open up that part of New Zealand
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to more investment, more residential development so people can enjoy
the climate in the north and stop exaggerating that everything
that we're going to develop is never ever going to
generate upside or revenue. This is what's wrong with the
New Zealand. Rather than seeing investments as a positive nation
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building exercise was sort of reduced to an abacus.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I'm just looking out for the blind frogs and the
skinks and the lezards.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Now we're not having any more deaification, any more elevation
in some scriptural way of these critics and the bush
overwhelming economic growth or the advancement of our people. We
should respect the owls, the frogs, the swans. Actually, when
I was a kid, I think they used to cut
the breast of the swan out munch away on it.
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I didn't care for it much. They eat too many
flounders where I come from anyway, Hey.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Shane Jones, thanks very much for your time on the Country.
Always entertaining. And next time mister Hoskins asks for an interview,
tell him you've already been booked for the country.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Okay, country first, Hoskins second, Bye bye.
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Let's welcome on to the show trade experts, Stephen Jacobi.
He is this month's Global Markets Insight interview. And Stephen,
where do we start with Trump's tariffs? We all knew
they were coming, would be fair to say, but I
don't think any of us thought they would be this bad.
What do you say, you're an expert in the field.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Well, I think that's a right, Jamie. We didn't actually
forced this level of uncertainty and complexity in the role
out of you know, Trump's paris. I mean, we knew
these were coming, I guess after he was elected. He'd
spoken about it so often, But who could have foreseen
the disruption that was going to be to be caused
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by all of this, not just the imposition of tariffs,
which is bad enough, but the constant changes and re evaluations,
and that is what is really hard to business.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Has some of the damage that's been done thus far irreparable.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Well, I you know, it would be a brave person
to say that this is the last word on trade.
I mean, who knows if the president might change his
mind or that the future administration might head off in
another direction. But I think most common greators these days
are saying this actually marks a fundamental change in the
global system. It's changed in the global trade landscape. I mean,
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this rising protectionism isn't exactly new. It didn't just come
from the United States. It's been around for a number
of years now. But certainly the president has turned into
something of an art form. I don't know if it
was to into some earlier time, but probably not. I
would say, a we're going to have to get used
to a different way of interacting on the global stage.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
We haven't really learned from history, and correct me if
I get the name wrong here, but it was something
like the Smoot Hawley tariffs that sort of were one
of the reasons that we had the Great Depression in
the early nineteen thirties.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, well that's absolutely right, and the Smooth Hawley tariff
is actually the model. These ones are actually higher, would
you believe, And Smooth Hawley wasn't accompanied by all of this,
you know, back and forth and changing your mind and
whatever is. But what difference I would say that Jamie,
is that the world is a different place. You know,
we've heard thirty years of trade integration. It's a lot
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more integrated than it was back then. And all countries
in New Zealand in particular, I would argue, do have
options other than the United States. And I guess we're
going to see all of that come to fruition.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Well, one of the big issues is obviously not only
the tariffs into the US, but the collateral much calls
to other economies around the world. And we look at
China where he's currently got what one hundred and forty
five percent terror although it seems to change daily, but
this is not going to do the Chinese economy any good.
They are our largest trading partner. Admittedly the US is
now our second largest trading partner. But it's just no
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matter which way you slice and dice, and it's just
bad news for a trading country like New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah, I'm afraid that is the case. And you know,
I think the relationship with China obviously becomes even more
important to us in the current situation. But still mind
though that the shield of a Chinese exports to the
United States is the proportion of their total trade is
not that high, and so you know, they have a
(11:46):
very large economy to probably withstand some of the shops.
But no doubt the economy has been, you know, in
a bit of trouble recently, has been slow to file
after the pandemic. That certainly won't help. And we have
the problem with his additional tariff in the United States.
But as you say, we have the secondary and even
tertiary effects on other markets as a result of trade diversion.
(12:08):
And again this adds to the complexity of the environment
in which we're operating.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Well, let's try and make some lemonade out of these lemons.
Could this potentially present opportunity for New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Well that jimmy business knows where in times of crisis
there is risk, but there is also opportunity. I mean,
the reality is and in a number of other markets
we're going to face probably less US competition for some
of our agricultural products because of the tariffs retaliatory tariffs
that others are going to put on them. And you know,
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the one example that can be pointed to is that
there's a great market for wine and Canada now opening
up as Canada excuse me, retaliates against the United States.
So you know, there are opportunities, without doubt, and I
think it's very important we don't you know, panic can
over dramatize. On the other hand, I don't think we should,
(12:59):
you know, undercook all of this. It'll be a mix
of risk and opportunity going forward. But again I say
in New Zealand is not without options. We have good FDAs,
we have very strong partners around the world, and that
is going to stand us in good speed, in good spead,
and I think probably we will do our best weather
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the storm of these additional towers in the United States
to the extent that we're able to.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Let's just finish on the Paris Climate Accord. What do
you make of Trump pulling out? And as Winston and
David Seymour are suggesting, now, should we be following suit?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Well, Plump pulled out last time and He's done it again.
Is not the end of American action to address climate change.
Most of this is in the hands of the business
community now in the United States, in state governments, and
there's going to be no turning back on sustainability goals.
The world is as long moved past this, and I
think it would be most unwise for New Zealand to
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do anything similar. Frankly. I mean, you know, we have
a big opportunity here to position ourselves as the sustainable alternative,
and we've had companies investing, you know, deeply in this,
you know, for some years now. If we can do
that satisfactually and stay on the right side of these
arguments and avoid any you know, maybe trade protections that
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arises in you know, disguised form, you know, we will
do very well. And that is the bigger picture we
have to keep, you know in mind. Sustainability is at
the heart of our offer to international markets, and we
don't want to be mucking around by, you know, talking
about what joins from the Paris Agreement. I think that
is really unwise.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Indeed, Stephen Chakobe, trade expert, thanks for some of your
wisdom today on the country. Have really enjoyed chatting.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Thanks Jamie.
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He's our guy. On the other side of the world.
Farming correspondent, Farmer Tom Martin, social media influencer. For what
it's worth, Tom, your prime Minister Sekeir Starmer appears to
me to be a bit of a planker, Can I
say that without offending you? And he's certainly cocked things
up on the home front, especially with farmers, But on
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the world stage he seems to be making an impression.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
He's yeah, I mean he's is he good? From far?
Far from good? Maybe for a range of ten thousand miles,
he looks pretty good. And I would say internationally, to
give him his credit, he seems to be doing a
good job of sitting between the US and the EU
and seemingly coordinating this coalition of the willing to move
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things forward in Ukraine. But yeah, back home there's a
lot of terrible tough things going on. But no, internationally,
let's give him his due. He's certainly coming out pretty
well at the moment.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
We look at things on the home Front and the UK.
You've got your local elections coming up on Thursday, your time,
and you're suggesting this could result in a bloody nose
for Labor and the Reform Party might make some gains. What,
if anything, does that mean for UK farmers.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Well, it's a great question. This is I mean, these
are kind of early midterm elections. They are it's the
time when typically the incumbent government loses a load of
seats due to a kind of protest at national policy.
But I think this first what is it ten months
for the Labor Party has been particularly challenging and unless
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you're a train driver or possibly a junior doctor, who
were both given pretty fantastic pay rises early on in
the term, it's struggled. You'd struggle to find people who
are happy with the way we're being governed at the moment.
So I think there'll be a lot of people looking
to vote for other parties. Now. I think there's a
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fair few people who are still probably a bit disappointed
with the fourteen years of Conservatives. Do they want to
vote for Labor, No, they don't. Do they want to
the Conservatives?
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Now?
Speaker 6 (17:07):
They don't. You know, if you want to go right.
Across the left you've got the Green Party, you've got
the Liberals doing a pretty good job somewhere in the middle.
But on the right is the Reform Party and they
are gathering a huge, huge amount of votes. I think
the latest poll shows that if there was an election today,
on the majority of votes, we would have a Prime
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Minister called Nigel Ferrat who's the head of the Reform Party.
So it's a real time of shake up. I mean globally,
but also.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Here in the UK the labor government, Sakeir Starmer, not
doing much for farmers. Is Mother nature playing ball? You're
into your spring in the northern hemisphere.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Well, I found very heavy clay, so we haven't had
a lot of rain in a fairly long time. But
we can handle that. There will be farmers on the
lighter soils, on the pizzols that are that are really
looking for a drop of rain. And considering we spent
the whole of our winter or I did certainly complaining
about how it was, we're very quickly to start mentioning
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the d word of drought and people being grateful for
for a drop of reign. Jamie, I realized I didn't
fully answer your previous question, what would the advance of
reform do to UK farming, and Reform are certainly looking at, uh,
shaking things up. They are absolutely saying that they are
pro farming, but they're also pro doing a lot of
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international deals there and they they're they're very very against
kind of red tape, very against government interference and and
and that would possibly mean bringing in food produced to
lower standards. So it's it's still it would still be
a concerning time for farmers. But if they would reverse
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some of the crazy things that the current government have done,
that that could be a good thing. But sorry, that's
where we are. Just just realized I hadn't quite answered
your question.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Well not Nigel Faraj is one of the great political survivors.
But going back to on the farm, you said it's
a bit dry. That's one part of the equation with
what about your commodity prices?
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah, a bit of a shocker. I was talking to
one of the grain traders recently and he said the
only crop that was really doing well for us in
terms of prices is canola, and for us this year
that's the one crop we haven't we haven't got in
the ground. So yeah, prices are pretty soft here, and
you know, for we'd need two hundred pounds spurling a
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ton really and you're looking at one seventy, so you're
looking at a fifteen percent discount on that, and that's
really going to cause a lot a lot of farmers
to be struggling at a time when a lot of
the other government decisions, a lot of the other meteorological
impacts are causing and some issues. It's a really challenging
time in UK farming. And I feel like I have
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been saying this a bit recently. I don't want to
be a broken record in it, but yeah, there's a
fair few challenges.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Good job you've got a good off farm and come
with your social media influencing Tom.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
That would be very nice, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
The end of conversation. Now, yesterday your time Sunday in
the UK was the London Marathon. I was looking for
you on the telly or not on the telly, I
was watching it online. I was looking for you amongst
the hordes something like fifty thousand plus people running the
London Marathon. Unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Yeah, the biggest ever. I think it was the biggest
ever amount of finishers in any marathon, so it's a
remarkable event. I haven't run it this millennia. I ran
in nineteen ninety eight, but it is a tremendous event.
There are actually a lot of farmers running for farming
and countryside charities. A big shout out to my friend
Charles Anion who actually ran the Manster Marathon, which I
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think it was the same day for the farm Community Network.
So lots of great charities being being demonstrated, a lot
of money raised for good causes, and an amazing spectacle
of various different people in costumes and all kinds of
things running around the streets to London. It's always an
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amazing day.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I did it in two thousand and six and I
was getting a bit tired. Once I crossed over the
Tower Bridge, which is just shy of halfway, and I
ran into an inverted piece of pizza and he was
He said, are you getting a bit tired luved? I said, yeah,
I am. I've done all the training. I don't know
why I'm tired. Only halfway through he said, stick with me,
and I ran with the piece of pizza for about
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two k's and he says, you'll be right now when
he took off into the future or in front of me.
Amazing the dress ups and the event that is the
London Marathon. Anyhow, Tom, Hey, thanks for some of your
time and good luck giving the Labor government a message
with those local elections on Thursday. Your time.
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plans to milk cows when he retires. And Christopher Luxon,
just back from his recent trip to the UK Gallipoli
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Captain Scott Barrett. Scott, thanks for some of your time.
I realized you're a busy man. Am I still correct
in calling you the All Blacks Captain? Has Raiser confirmed
the job for twenty five Mm?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
I think yeah, I guess we assume that still captain. Yeah,
they're going to keep playing well for the Crusaders and
hopefully that doesn't change. So yeah, it's yeah, I'd still
like to have the job, and that's what my focus
at the moment is to keep playing well for the
Crusaders and ye turn up in July ready to go
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for the All works.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Well, I'm sure you will be the All Blacks Captain. Look,
you Crusaders an i'mond Highlander's territory here, Scott, you're getting
annoyingly good again. It was better last year when you
were useless. And I say, I say that somewhat facetiously,
but the Crusaders are looking menacingly menacing.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Yeah, I think we the last three or four games
has sort of you built a bit of confidence within
the team and certainly the team without the ball at
the moment. Yeah, defense has been pretty strong, so I
think that's pleasing to see we've made shifts from last year.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You certainly have all right. Hey, yeah, I note that
you've got a share in a dairy farm, not on
your on your mum and dad's farm, Robin and Smiley.
They've got like a picture perfect farm there on coastal Taranaki.
You've got one up the road. Do you ever get
your hands dirty these days? Or do you get the
opportunity in the time to get your hands dirty wearing
your kaiwaka parker on the farm.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I haven't had too many opportunities.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
We had a working.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Bee there late last year and you got out there
marked in for a day or two, but time's pretty
limited and being based down in christ Church. Yeah, it
is nice to have an interest in the farm on
the coast and Taranaki, and it's good to keep the
mind ticking over outside of rugby as well. So I've
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certainly enjoyed that the last last season, and it was
looking like a great season for us until about January
when Yeah, the man upstairs turned the tap off the
irrigator and she tried up pretty quickly. But I think
arm with bounce and deck.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
After a bit of rain recently, well.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Your brother's Bowden and Geordie have probably got a bit
of spare cash splashing about. Are they involved with you?
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Jordie is he's he's interested in agriculture. Body, I think
he's not in this.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Farm with us.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
He's got a few other things going on. And you know,
it's good to be in partnership with the with Jordy
and learn about, you know, operating dairy farm. It's been
a great experience so far.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Were you born and raised on one all eight of
you obviously, but you went down to Lincoln UNI and
studied agriculture. So is that going to be your ultimate
future in that industry once you've retired from rugby?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I'm talking Scott, Yeah, potentially.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
I talked to the wife a little bit around you know,
going into the dairying, and I think it's probably one
of those things you don't know if you'd unless you
give it a go. So yeah, certainly there might be
an option to you know, just give it a crack
for a couple of years and see if it's for us,
But until then, I'll keep chasing the rugby by around
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the foody field.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
How did you get the job as the brand ambassador
for Kywalker.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Yeah, I've got an agent who put me in touch
with the team up there and the Far North, and yeah,
we've sort of got talking. And they are such a
great fit in a local New Zealand company that's been
around for you know a few decades, and you know,
they make great kid and I think the fit was
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quite right. And then from a dairy farm, they were
keen to have me on board.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah, well they've been or they're celebrating two hundred seasons.
I fifty years of farming and making the jackets. You're
nowhere near that with your rugby career, but you must
be getting close to twenty years eighty seasons, are you.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Yeah, so I think I'm thirty one now and I've
been playing since you know, six or seven. Yeah, so
it's not quite two hundred seasons, but it's certainly get
not there.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Scott Barrett. Look, thank you very much for some of
your time today on the country. It's great to have
the son of because we enjoy yarning to your old
man Smiley, he's a bit of a character and a
very good farmer. I might add two in the Taranaki region. Look,
do you know what the game of footy I'm mostly
looking forward to this year, and no doubt you guys
will be as well, because Eden Park is your fortress.
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You're playing the South African rugby side, arguably the best
team in the world at the moment. At Eden Park,
you guys haven't lost there since nineteen ninety four. That's
a hell of a lot of seasons. How good is
that game going to be?
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Yeah, I think it's going to be a huge game.
I was seen I guess the South Africans over the past,
you know, six or seven years, I've been right up
the top and you know they'll love to come down
and break that record. So yeah, it certainly you know,
got the highlighter around it as a game of the year.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Scott Barrett, a Kai Walker clothing ambassador or brand ambassador.
Thank you very much for your time today on the country.
Appreciate it. Enjoy your weekend off. I know the Crusaders
have got to buy really looking forward to your next
game on May the tenth against the Chiefs. It'll be
a cracker as well. Top of the table, see.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
You later, see you, thanks, Jammy.
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Wednesdays on the Country, the Prime Minister kicks off the
show and it's a bit of a bugger if you
don't mind me saying, Christopher Luxon, when you're doing my
homework for me, you sent me a text last night
about Chinese milk production. I had no idea.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
Yeah, look, I just thought it was interesting one of
them looking through my reading and just that are saying
that actually Chinese local domestic milk production will be down
this year, and obviously that means I've got a huge
more demand for product from New Zealand and other places
as well. So I mean, look, I mean we've been
through a tough time. We're coming out of a recession.
The economy is now growing, which is good. But what's
powering us through as agriculture as always, and when you
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look at what the outlook is for dairy sailing. When
you took to Nason guy and the red Meat guys
are feeling really positive about the year ahead and then
you know right there, you know, you've got the better
wall price than I've had probably in the last eight years.
Still a challenge in war obviously, but better than it
has been.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
So.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Yeah, yet again agriculture leading us through, which is why
it's the back bone of the economy and why I
want to keep powering it up.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, Chinese milk production for the first time in seven
years has reduced down two point eight percent for twenty
twenty four, forecast to decline further and twenty twenty five.
Courtesy of Christopher Luxon. Okay, dairy conversions have been a
hot topic on the show this week. Are they now
well and truly back on the table as one of
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the ways can double our exports within a decade?
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Look, I mean we want we want dairy pumping, you know,
we really do, and we actually want all the primary
industries to be growing and to innovate. And I think
when you look at what's happening in dairy, we can
certainly be more productive. We're current stock numbers, and we're
looking at ways, as you know, to sort of be
much more permissious and and productive with the way we
get land usee using across the system. As well. So look,
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I mean the bottom line for us is we just
want growth. I mean, we're ruthlessly obsessed on it. We
want dairy growing strongly. It's good to see all the
value added technology that's coming into dairy that's leading to
those premium prices because there's good innovation of value add
taking place, which is really good. But we also, Jamie,
I mean for the farmers listening, we've also had really
good growth in our services exports as well. So you know,
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if you look at the UK, for example, where I
was this last week, our exports are total exports are
up twenty one percent and it's a sort of a
good mix of goods and services, and actually our technology
companies are actually selling well. We're obviously getting good inbound
growth on tourism. I think tourism value was up sixty percent.
Of by the numbers we're up just ten percent, so
we're getting the right kind of people coming in and
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spending money again in the economy. So all of that's positive.
You know, we've got certainly some challenging times ahead with
the global trade environment, in tariff environment, but it's all
about our relative competitiveness compared to other countries. And can
we outcompete them? And yes we can.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Nichola will escape her pre budget speech yesterday. This one's
going to be the tightest budget in a decade, billions
cut from operating spending. Are we on the verge of
becoming a banana republic? Because I can tell you some
ways you could easily save some money. Prime Minister, you've
probably heard all this before. How about the winter energy
payment to people like me?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (32:47):
Well, firstly, i'd just say, look, absolutely not. We're not
becoming a banana republic. This is a country with a
huge potential and a great potential and great future ahead
of it. But you know what Nicholas acknowledging is that
things aren't easy for New Zealand and for the world.
We've got a lot of instability out there and uncertainty
out there. But having said that, our focus for our
budget's going to be all about economic growth and that
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means yep, we're overseeing a very steady economic recovery. We've
got an export lead growth, you know, starting to strengthen.
We've got business confidence rising. Are the primary sectors starting
to get on song?
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
But hang on, the Prime Minister, you haven't answered my question.
You're paying Winston Peters a winter energy payment. He doesn't
need it.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
Jamie mcaire peys, Yes, yeah, well I am more than
welcome to give it away my friends.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, I can give it away, but it would be
better staying in the government coffers. See the other one
they're throwing out there, and this is a really interesting one,
is the Key We Savor subsidy. This is big money.
This is one point one billion the winter energy payments,
like half a billion. But you know, I've had mixed
feelings on this one because I think Key We Save
it is a magnificent thing and anything that encourages Key
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We's to save. Are you getting your five hundred and
twenty one bucks each year if you put in just
over one thousand should be encourage.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Look, there's we'll have to get. And you know, we're
obviously working pretty closer to the budget now, and we
have to be careful about what we can say before
that budget's announced.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
But rest assured.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
When we're making we're doing we're getting our books in order,
and what we're doing is making sure we're reprioritizing the
spending to get it in the right places, and therefore
that does mean yes, that some agencies and government departments
are going to have to manage really tightly from the
budgets that they've got. That's good, they've got to make
sure they swept that money harder and get better value
for money from that spent, which is what you do
in a business, It's what you do with your family finances,
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what we expect the government agencies to be doing.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
You realize where the most important saving could come from,
don't you? Age of eligibility for national souper. I don't
want to mention Winston yet again, but if he wasn't
drawing breath or in Parliament, you and Seymour would move
this to sixty seven. That would save us a fortune.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
Yeah, look, definitely very much big part of our policy
when we think that's a good idea. We think, you know,
the population I think is aging. Average age goes up
about a year and a half every ten years across
New Zealand. That's why we've always advocated we should listen
to the retirement age. But as you know, we're in
coalition government and that's not something that needs on first supports,
So feel free to talk to oncon about it.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Tail wagging the dog now we've got to pality right. Yeah, Okay,
I accept that we got our pound of flesh well
and truly out of you on your latest offshore trip,
talking trade and defense with Secure Starmer, the Gallipoli Dawn Service,
and then the Pope's funeral. I don't want to call
it an added bonus, but it was good that you
were able to be there.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
Look, it was a big week last week. I mean,
I was really pleased with the trip to the UK
in particular. I think, you know, we've had a lot
of historical ties to the UK. Obviously similar value, similar history,
similar outlook on the world, but now with defense and
what we want to do together in that space, along
with the FTA and how we build more meat onto
the bones of that. You know, when you see our
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exports as I set up twenty one percent to the UK,
our guys are understanding the opportunities they are in that market,
and it's a good market for us to be invested in.
So that now gives us things to feed into a
future relationship. Defense and trade. Gallipoli was pretty powerful, Jamie.
I mean to go there on the Dawn Service and
give that speech and then be able to do some do.
(36:12):
Another speech at Chunnick Bear at the top of the
hell where we lost a huge amount of troops was
pretty sobering. It was sobering because just the day before
I'd been down meeting probably one hundred and fifty Ukrainian
soldiers and they were guys that were chefs and plumbers
that had been out fighting in Ukraine, had come across
to the UK to be trained by New Zealand and
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British troops. We've trained fifty four thousand Ukrainian soldiers and
they were going back into warfare in a matter of days.
They were going to be back at the front lines
again in the trenches. And there they are in Ukraine
and trench warfare with drones, and one hundred and ten
years ago we were at Gallipoli and trenches as well.
And then the Pope's funeral, I mean pretty great man.
I mean a massive determination for his cause and his church,
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but also massive amounts of personal humility and that's always
what I admire and good leaders. And there was a
chance as justin mingle with probably fifteen or so other
leaders that I got to chat with and I'm informally
as well, which was great.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Christopher Luxon, thanks for your time. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
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opening day for the duck hunting season. And just remember,
if you're going to partake of a beverage, please put
the guns away. I'm going to leave you with Murray
Head from nineteen eighty five from Chess the Musical, A
great song. One night in Bangkok. Take care, I'm out
of here. I'll see you, same time, same place, next
Saturday morning.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
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Speaker 3 (38:03):
Can feeling angel sliding up to me.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
One town.
Speaker 9 (38:07):
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it's it's looking at the barn, looking at the you
see one crowded, looked at, get tired. You're talking to
a tourist.
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Those every moves among the purists.
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walking next to.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
Me, because I am it's gonna be the witness in
(39:18):
the ultimate test.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Of cerebral fitness.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
This gripts me more than what a muddy or river
or reclining fuddher. Thank God, I'm only watching the game,
controlling it. I don't see you guys rating the kind
of mate I'm contemplating. I'll let you watch. I would
invite you, but the Queen's we use would not excite you.
So we better go back to your bars, your temples,
(39:42):
your massage parlors.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Stand the temples, but safety.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
You'll find God, and then they go.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Little history.
Speaker 9 (40:02):
I can feel an angel slid in the two. Glide
in the back up makes a fine man humble. Not
much between despair and nextucye, but gliding back.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Up in the top guy's tumble can be careful with
your compundy.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
I can feel sample, I can
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Next to me,
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