May 14, 2025 • 6 mins
Labour’s agriculture spokeswoman on Paris, methane, carbon farming, and Fieldays.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We were meant to catch up with our next guest
last week, but she pulled her sicky on me. She
was crooked, she didn't have a voice, so we got
her this week. We always get our man or in
her case, Woman Joe Luxton, Labour's egg spokesperson.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Joe.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Good to see her back on the job. Now today
we're going to talk about Paris, methane, the gene technology Bill,
carbon farming, field days, the sea bomb. Where do you
want to start.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Jesus, sounds like we're going to be here for a
couple of hours, Jamie, I'm happy to start wherever it
is that you want to say.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Okay, well, let's start with Paris and methane, because they're
kind of tied in together. Well, where does Labour sit
on this and.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Which particular part do you mean Jamie?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
As far as okay, the Paris Climate Agreement, we in
are out because we've got national saying we've got to
stay in or we're going to be penalized by some
of these rich European nations. You've got the likes of
Winston saying let's get out of there, and David Seymour's
very much leaning towards eventually kicking Paris to touch. Where
does Labour sit year.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
The issue is, though, is it's illegally binding treaty and
we committed to it, and there would be serious of
implications legal and otherwise if we were to pull out
of it. I mean, at the end of the day,
we just simply need to do our bits to reduce
global warming and that's the fact of it all.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, but what about Trump. He's kicked Paris to touch.
He doesn't care now the world's begging at his knees.
If you're to believe him to do deals with them,
trade deals with them.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, Well, you know, Trump his own unique person, in
his own unique way of thinking about things. But I
have to say I agree with National on this.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well that's good. I guess we could do with more
bipartisan politics. You should agree. You guys should agree with
National on the age of eligibility for national super and
then you could kick Winston to touch and we could
get some sense around that issue. Because long term issues
like national super stuff like that, we need to have
a bipartisan approach across the House. Surely there are.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Certainly some things that we should have more of a
bipartisan approach on and what those might be we would
potentially disagree on, but you know, I'm all all for
and I think I've mentioned to you before. You know,
I've reached out to the Minister and asked if we
can have a bit of a yarn about where we
might find some common ground that we can actually work
together on, because, as you know, and anyone out there
(02:24):
will tell you, particularly in the Rules Sectord, I just
sick and tired of the tooing and the throwing and
the yo yoing, and I hear that loud and Claire,
and I'm all for looking at ways where we can
reduce that or stop that as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Katie Milne, a former president of Federated Farmers these days
West Coast dairy Farmer, made some really talent comments on
the show yesterday about how we measure methane. And she's
a very considered an educated and well traveled person and
she's saying, if we start measuring methane using GWP star
(02:57):
instead of gw P one hundred, without getting too technical
about it, the methane problem almost disappears. And that's what
the likes of the Methane Science Accord and Groundswell are saying, Now, Okay,
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I'm sorry, I didn't hear Katie's interview with you yesterday.
And I really respect Katie and in her opinions, and
I think that we just need to do what it
is that we can to reduce our methane and continue
to invest in technologies and support our farmers and provide opportunities.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Well that's a bit of a wishy washy answer, Joe,
Come on, you can do better than that.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
No, No, it's it is a fact that a lot
of the things that we need to happen are going
to take time, and they are going to cost money.
And then you know, sadly it does take time, but
we need things to be able to be financially viable,
for farmers to be able to purchase them or bring
them on and bult. But look, I am not an expert.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well you should be an expert. You should be an expert, Joe,
it's your job.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I am not a scientist either, am I.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But what the likes of Katie's saying, with falling livestock
numbers here in New Zealand, we're having if we measure
it under GWP star that use that methodology, we're having
a net calling effect on the environment, and.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
There has been a reduction in me saye emissions. I
acknowledge that I am not a scientist and not an
expert though, but I certainly respect Katie's opinion. He's a
very clever woman. And look, I'm happy to look at
all different things.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Where are you on carbon farming?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Oh yeah, it's a tricky one, right, And I think
that it was interesting to see an article recently about
the fact that there's likely to be a glut coming
up as we continue the way that we are. I see,
you know, the government has made some moves to reduce
the amount of area and a farm that can be
(04:55):
turned into or used for carbon farming, but there's still
some loophole and we're seeing a bit of a scramble
on people trying to get these things done before the
changes come into place. And I certainly agree with the
likes of Toby Williams who said, you know, simply going
out and purchasing a whole bunch of ceilings shouldn't show
(05:15):
that you are planning on absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
But if I was, if I was being unkind Joe,
and I never am to you, I could say I
could point the finger at you and the Prince of
the province as mild mate Shane Jones and his billion
tree program. It's all very well planting a billion trees,
but if you plant them in the wrong pace place,
we're buggered.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, you're you know, you're absolutely right if you plant
them in the wrong place. Absolutely, and I admit that,
you know, we didn't get it completely like either, but
we certainly tried to make changes whereby we gave local
communities a say over whether the conversions could proceed, and
that was and that was a positive move. But you know,
and I acknowledge again that the government, current government is
(05:58):
making these changes, but I still think that there's some
loopholes that need to be closed up.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Are you coming to our annual barbecue dinner at field Day's, Joe,
you were a hit last year.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Are you inviting me, Jamie, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Think so, Yeah, Rowena will be hosting. I think so, yeah,
I think we'll invite you along. It's good to fraternize
with the opposition.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh, absolutely no, it was a great night. Really enjoyed it. Yeah,
I definitely began to come along again.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Absolutely well, it is a date. Joe Luxton will see
you at field days.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Sounds good.
We were meant to catch up with our next guest
last week, but she pulled her sicky on me. She
was crooked, she didn't have a voice, so we got
her this week. We always get our man or in
her case, Woman Joe Luxton, Labour's egg spokesperson.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Joe.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Good to see her back on the job. Now today
we're going to talk about Paris, methane, the gene technology Bill,
carbon farming, field days, the sea bomb. Where do you
want to start.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Jesus, sounds like we're going to be here for a
couple of hours, Jamie, I'm happy to start wherever it
is that you want to say.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Okay, well, let's start with Paris and methane, because they're
kind of tied in together. Well, where does Labour sit
on this and.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Which particular part do you mean Jamie?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
As far as okay, the Paris Climate Agreement, we in
are out because we've got national saying we've got to
stay in or we're going to be penalized by some
of these rich European nations. You've got the likes of
Winston saying let's get out of there, and David Seymour's
very much leaning towards eventually kicking Paris to touch. Where
does Labour sit year.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
The issue is, though, is it's illegally binding treaty and
we committed to it, and there would be serious of
implications legal and otherwise if we were to pull out
of it. I mean, at the end of the day,
we just simply need to do our bits to reduce
global warming and that's the fact of it all.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, but what about Trump. He's kicked Paris to touch.
He doesn't care now the world's begging at his knees.
If you're to believe him to do deals with them,
trade deals with them.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, Well, you know, Trump his own unique person, in
his own unique way of thinking about things. But I
have to say I agree with National on this.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well that's good. I guess we could do with more
bipartisan politics. You should agree. You guys should agree with
National on the age of eligibility for national super and
then you could kick Winston to touch and we could
get some sense around that issue. Because long term issues
like national super stuff like that, we need to have
a bipartisan approach across the House. Surely there are.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Certainly some things that we should have more of a
bipartisan approach on and what those might be we would
potentially disagree on, but you know, I'm all all for
and I think I've mentioned to you before. You know,
I've reached out to the Minister and asked if we
can have a bit of a yarn about where we
might find some common ground that we can actually work
together on, because, as you know, and anyone out there
(02:24):
will tell you, particularly in the Rules Sectord, I just
sick and tired of the tooing and the throwing and
the yo yoing, and I hear that loud and Claire,
and I'm all for looking at ways where we can
reduce that or stop that as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Katie Milne, a former president of Federated Farmers these days
West Coast dairy Farmer, made some really talent comments on
the show yesterday about how we measure methane. And she's
a very considered an educated and well traveled person and
she's saying, if we start measuring methane using GWP star
(02:57):
instead of gw P one hundred, without getting too technical
about it, the methane problem almost disappears. And that's what
the likes of the Methane Science Accord and Groundswell are saying, Now, Okay,
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I'm sorry, I didn't hear Katie's interview with you yesterday.
And I really respect Katie and in her opinions, and
I think that we just need to do what it
is that we can to reduce our methane and continue
to invest in technologies and support our farmers and provide opportunities.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Well that's a bit of a wishy washy answer, Joe,
Come on, you can do better than that.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
No, No, it's it is a fact that a lot
of the things that we need to happen are going
to take time, and they are going to cost money.
And then you know, sadly it does take time, but
we need things to be able to be financially viable,
for farmers to be able to purchase them or bring
them on and bult. But look, I am not an expert.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well you should be an expert. You should be an expert, Joe,
it's your job.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I am not a scientist either, am I.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But what the likes of Katie's saying, with falling livestock
numbers here in New Zealand, we're having if we measure
it under GWP star that use that methodology, we're having
a net calling effect on the environment, and.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
There has been a reduction in me saye emissions. I
acknowledge that I am not a scientist and not an
expert though, but I certainly respect Katie's opinion. He's a
very clever woman. And look, I'm happy to look at
all different things.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Where are you on carbon farming?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Oh yeah, it's a tricky one, right, And I think
that it was interesting to see an article recently about
the fact that there's likely to be a glut coming
up as we continue the way that we are. I see,
you know, the government has made some moves to reduce
the amount of area and a farm that can be
(04:55):
turned into or used for carbon farming, but there's still
some loophole and we're seeing a bit of a scramble
on people trying to get these things done before the
changes come into place. And I certainly agree with the
likes of Toby Williams who said, you know, simply going
out and purchasing a whole bunch of ceilings shouldn't show
(05:15):
that you are planning on absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
But if I was, if I was being unkind Joe,
and I never am to you, I could say I
could point the finger at you and the Prince of
the province as mild mate Shane Jones and his billion
tree program. It's all very well planting a billion trees,
but if you plant them in the wrong pace place,
we're buggered.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, you're you know, you're absolutely right if you plant
them in the wrong place. Absolutely, and I admit that,
you know, we didn't get it completely like either, but
we certainly tried to make changes whereby we gave local
communities a say over whether the conversions could proceed, and
that was and that was a positive move. But you know,
and I acknowledge again that the government, current government is
(05:58):
making these changes, but I still think that there's some
loopholes that need to be closed up.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Are you coming to our annual barbecue dinner at field Day's, Joe,
you were a hit last year.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Are you inviting me, Jamie, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Think so, Yeah, Rowena will be hosting. I think so, yeah,
I think we'll invite you along. It's good to fraternize
with the opposition.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh, absolutely no, it was a great night. Really enjoyed it. Yeah,
I definitely began to come along again.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Absolutely well, it is a date. Joe Luxton will see
you at field days.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Sounds good.
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